Dad Drops Son a Mile From Home, Goes to Jail.
Mike Tang spent a night in jail and faces a year of parenting classes and picking up trash for his choice of discipline.
Mike Tang was charged with child endangerment for leaving his 8-year-old son in a grocery store parking lot a mile from home. It was supposed to be a life lesson.
"I just wanted to reinforce that money is hard to earn and that, if he doesn't do a good job at school, he could end up sleeping…[with] the homeless," says Tang, who lives in the Southern California suburb of Corona.
The incident took place after Mike caught Isaac cutting corners on his homework. At about 7:45 p.m., he drove him to the parking lot and drove away. About 10 minutes later, Tang's father came to pick him up.
But Isaac had already been picked up: He was in police custody. A stranger had spotted the boy and called the cops, who arrested Tang, and he spent the night in county jail. A jury later convicted him of child endangerment, and the judge sentenced him to parenting classes and a 56-day work release program picking up trash and doing other menial work.
Mike is refusing to serve the sentence, and there's an outstanding arrest warrant for his failure to comply. He scrawled a response on top of the warrant and mailed it back.
"Fuck you all!" Mike's written response begins. "Walking on a public sidewalk at 7:45 p.m. is not child endangerment."
Is Mike right, or did he jeopardize Isaac's safety? And was it appropriate for the police to intervene?
"It rises to the level of unusual. It rises to the level of, perhaps, controversial. But it was not literally dangerous. That's not a crime," says journalist and Reason contributor Lenore Skenazy, founder of the Free Range Kids movement.
Watch the full video above and decide for yourself.
Approximately 5 minutes. Produced by Zach Weissmueller. Camera by Weissmueller and Alex Manning. Music by Blue Dot Sessions.
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the judge sentenced him to parenting classes and a 56-day work release program picking up trash and doing other menial work.
At least somebody learned a life lesson.
I admire the guy for standing up for his principles, but I think the principals are going to win this one.
"I just wanted to reinforce that money is hard to earn and that, if he doesn't do a good job at school, he could end up sleeping out here where the homeless people sleep," says Tang.
The irony of course is that if the kid were actually homeless, he'd have been allowed to stay in that parking lot forever.
Also, Corona is like a mile outside LA County. Wait a year and cross the line and you're guaranteed $15/hr.
It's not like the kid was going to school in San Bernadino or anything.
Wait a year and cross the line and you're guaranteed $15/hr.
Somehow, I think the competition for those $15/hr jobs is gonna be fierce, and not a lot of businesses that hire low-skilled employees are gonna be staying on the $15 side of that border.
"If I had it all to do over again, you know, I'd do the same thing." I might've written the "Fuck You" a little bigger. Maybe gotten some official Fuck You letterhead...
I want some of that fuck you letterhead. In a fancy script.
Check here.
OMFG, thanks!
I'm gonna send one of those in with my tax return. I wonder what will happen?
[Sheds a tear]
I love the free market.
"Fuck you all!" Mike's written response begins. "Walking on a public sidewalk at 7:45 p.m. is not child endangerment."
Hmm... Something tells me we're a short time away from watching another Asian man being dragged away by the cops.
True civil disobedience. I fully support him.
Unfortunately, he's going to lose his child and his liberty. A real example of "freedom isn't free?"
It's not all gloom and doom. I heard this morning the State of Washington has benevolently allowed children in school to apply their own sunscreen without the prior approval of a state-licensed agent. And people say there's no libertarian moment.
I think the dad was being a jerk. It was a dick move. However, it wasn't child endangerment. My brother and I walked home from church at 6 and 7 years old. It was a mile. And it was kinda fun. I'll bet the kid was glad to be rid of his dad for a couple hours.
Where I grew up, albeit many years ago, you walked to and from school if you lived within two miles of the place. Unsupervised. In all kinds of weather.
That is different from being stranded because dad is angry and you dont know how to get home from where you are.
True, but if it was only a mile from his home it doesn't seem like that would be the case unless you just moved into a new neighborhood. But yeah, in any case, the dad is a jerk. If he'd have left his wife at the store to walk a mile home it would be considered abuse.
If he'd have left his wife at the store to walk a mile home it would be considered abuse.
The fuck?
Mrs. Casual and I aren't leaving each other everywhere all the time but 'go take a walk' isn't an unheard of phrase for one spouse to utter to another and 'Get out of my car.' has certainly been used in otherwise uttered in protracted and loving relationships. Even then, this assumes the couple to be on perfectly or nearly even footing with regard to income, parenting responsibilities, and psychological/emotional capacities. Enslaving someone for their income so that you can sit at home and not watch/raise the kids is pretty abusive in and of itself.
I'm not saying that's the Mom or family's situation at all just that you and Diagoras both seem hell bent on finding any way possible to convict this guy of anything and everything he does that isn't a crime. For all we know Mom was murdered over her compulsive gambling debts, leaving the family flat broke, and her deathbed wish was that Isaac be taught discipline and self-control in the most firm and obnoxious manner possible. I agree it's exceedingly unlikely but, the point is, we don't have the information and it is explicitly our job to fuck off in this regard.
It's a good thing my "kids" are both adults now; I used to let them walk down the street to the school playground, go to their friends homes a half block away, and all kinds of "free range" stuff that would put me on the highway with a trash bag in my hand.
Seems we are being conditioned to be like that "good citizen" who was on the lookout for anything that didn't look right and immediately called it in. It's just how we do things now.
When I grew up I was told about this horrible, totalitarian state where citizens lived in constant fear of being reported, and how I was fortunate to live in a free country where things like that could never happen. Later on we won the war against this evil empire without a shot being fired, and as a result the world would become a freer place. Then terrorism happened, and the Land of the Free became the Land of the Afraid.
We were roaming the woods and taking buses all over the city when I was 7.
Why didn't this guy appeal? Seems like a better idea than ignoring a court order.
Because he wants to go to jail?
Well, that would teach HIM a lesson, wouldn't it? Say what you will, the guy is no hypocrite.
How much would it cost to get out of parenting classes and a 56-day work release program?
What is the opportunity cost of going to jail instead?
Appealing costs money. This guy thought the system and the jury would do the right thing and leave him alone. He lives in Taxifornia, so he was wrong.
We need more people to stand up for what they believe in but freedom is NOT free nor easy.
Man, that kid looks pissed.
He looks like he's about 2 seconds away from whipping out some serious Bruce Lee shit... Is that lacist to say that?
No, but spelling 'racist' with an L is....
How about ?acist?
As in, "Not Craw, C?aw!"
Well, that haircut seems like child endangerment.
Because he's squinting at the camera?
So now the government is going to pay for the guy to sit in jail, and for the kid to be in foster care or jail or wherever they stick him.
And of course, taxes have to go up to protect the children.
Where is the line between "parenting classes" and re-education camps? Is it the barbed wire? The beatings? The mind numbing?
I wonder if they will jail him for the "endangerment", or the contempt of court? I can see it now; "With what little respect you are due your honor, did you ride a horse?"
So, he was gone less than 10 minutes and some busybody felt than had to call the cops? No, this was not "child endangerment", unless they are claiming that the grocery store parking lot is a dangerous place in which place maybe they should be closing down the grocery store and/or stationing police there full time.
It only takes a second for a creep on the sex offender registry in a windowless, white van to abduct a child. Happens a thousand times a day. Nancy Grace says so.
How far are we from child leash laws?
That creep's van must be really crowded by now.
That can happen anywhere. We need a law that bans kids from going outside their homes.
Considering that most child abductions are committed by people who know the children they abduct, we should forcibly separate and isolate children from everyone they ever knew, put them in education camps, and raise them as the future People's Army
Americans would be shocked to hear what this guy's ancestors probably did to their kids when they slacked. He probably thought fake-abandoning his kid in a seedy parking lot was nothin'.
Americans, and especially Californians, do NOT want to see good parenting as it makes them look bad. So keep your good parenting behind closed doors or feel their wrath.
Two observations. One, a "mile from home" is a 20, probably 30 minute walk for an 8-yr old. Two, in Junior High, we were required to "dress out" in shorts and t-shirts if the temp was 50 deg. or warmer. (this was Tampa).
"So now the government is going to pay for the guy to sit in jail, and for the kid to be in foster care or jail or wherever they stick him."
No he's going to pay for it, I can assure you. They are going to nickel and dime absolutely to death. Parenting classes? He's paying for those. Time in jail? He's going to pay into the jail construction fund. The crime itself will have a fine, as will each court date he racks up trying to fight this.
They're going to hold him upside down and shake him until all the money falls out of his pockets. For the children.
So maybe he'll end up homeless on the streets! Now the kid will REALLY have a role model.
First, I would say a kid should be 10 before being out alone, not just for the child's safety but because the young kids who run around the neighborhood unsupervised usually misbehave.
Second, if the dad needed to pick him up, that implies he had no idea how to get home. He left a little boy stranded, not knowing if his dad was coming back or not. That is emotional abuse.
First paragraph is delusional. TEN? Only if it was a particularly stupid child.
But his dad emotionally abusing him? Absolutely. I would guess even more so at home. Kid probably knew how to get home, he was just scared to go there. Now he'll blame his son for "getting him in trouble". I hope at least the boy has nice grandparents.
You really need to watch clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson's YouTube videos about how Social Justice Warriors are created by overprotective parenting. "Emotional abuse" as you call it is necessary to toughen up these special snowflakes so that they can handle their emotions as they grow older.
When I grew up, all the neighborhood parents kicked their kids out of the house every day after school to run and bicycle around the neighborhood and surrounding woods. I would bicycle for miles from home just as an adventure, and this was before I turned ten.
Also, at that time, kids routinely learned how to shoot around age 8.
"Also, at that time, kids routinely learned how to shoot around age 8."
That probably cut down on bullying, anyway.
He left a little boy stranded, not knowing if his dad was coming back or not. That is emotional abuse.
Throw his Dad in prison and shove him into DCFS, that should improve his emotional state.
I'd also be curious to know where the mom is? Or is she also an emotionally abused submissive little thing who says, "Sure, discipline my son however you see fit."
Or is she also an emotionally abused submissive little thing who says, "Sure, discipline my son however you see fit."
With all these psychic powers, we really should find you guilty of not preventing more (non-)crimes like these.
How was that supposed to work? "I was confused, I read the wrong book by mistake."? "I'm an old man, I was confused [& thought it was my book]."? Was he trying to put one over just on the old man, although the teacher would know?
I kind of think everybody should be sentenced to a year of parenting classes and to picking up garbage, but: digress.
If I had a kid who looked like that, I'd drop him off 50 miles from home.
Let's see , 8 years old ? That was 1952 . Hell , I rode miles on my bike by then and climbed down the ravines to the lake .
Better not buy a kid a bicycle or skate board . Danger enablers .
Or more just keep boys in cages from crib on
Lousy parenting.
Also, not the government's business.
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I walked about 1.5 miles home every day from school at that age (8). Statistically I should have been molested and killed many times. Guess I was lucky.
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