Annie Duke: 'What Life Lessons Can Poker Teach Us? All of Them.'
Poker champ talks game theory, gambling, and Donald Trump.
"What life lessons can poker teach us? I would say all of them," states Annie Duke, professional poker player and author of the book Annie Duke: How I Raised, Folded, Bluffed, Flirted, Cursed, and Won Millions at the World Series of Poker. "What basically happens is that you really can see in a very magnified way [how] our irrationalities play into our decision-making."
Duke, who won the 2004 World Series of Poker Tournament, double-majored in English and psychology at Columbia University and studied cognitive linguistics at the University of Pennsylvania. And she is the author of several poker instruction books that teach game theory and the importance of probabilistic thinking.
"The problem is once we've formed a belief—which we haven't vetted really well—we notice information that reinforces this belief. We don't notice information that discounts it," says Duke. "What would happen instead if we had a belief and we were forced to think about it as a bet? It would force us into thinking about probability."
Duke sat down with Nick Gillespie at Reason Weekend 2016, an annual donor event for the nonprofit that publishes Reason.com and Reason magazine, and discussed game theory, life lessons learned from poker, the importance of being belief updaters, and her experience with Donald Trump on 2009's Celebrity Apprentice.
"In a weird way, Trump is actually an amazing behavioral scientist," says Duke. "He understands intuitively—I think—something very deep about the way we form beliefs and what people want to hear back in regards to our beliefs."
Approximately 43 minutes.
Produced by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Alexis Garcia. Camera by Paul Detrick and Todd Krainin. Music by Kevin MacLeod.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
00:12 Annie Duke, welcome to Reason Weekend.
03:00 How Annie got involved with poker and why the game is so popular in the United States.
06:24 Duke on life lessons learned from playing poker.
10:00 Controlling emotion in poker and how game theory relates to decision-making.
13:24 Duke on limits to knowledge and how you solve for outcome indecision.
15:50 How cognitive science and confirmation bias applies to how we digest political information.
18:44 Is there a libertarian edge to critical thinking skills and do young people view the world in a pluralistic way?
22:00 How beliefs form and how betting leads to probabilistic thinking.
25:54 Duke on why poker is considered a vice and gambling prohibition.
28:36 Is gaming culture helping teach problem-solving skills to a younger generation?
31:30 How language and studying English helped Annie to dominate the poker scene.
34:30 Duke's experience on Celebrity Apprentice and her thoughts on Donald Trump and the rest of the presidential candidates.
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I learned when to hold em' and when to fold em'.
Did you learn when to walk away and when to run?
No. I got shot. I think he did it just to watch me die.
That's why you never count your money while you're sitting at the table.
Don't worry, there'll be time enough for countin', when the dealin's done.
I just hope you kept track of your stake - not counting your money when you're sittin' at the table is a pretty damn stupid thing to do.
That one never made sense. I usually seperate the money I'm up from what I started with. At a glance I know if I'm up or down.
One thing I've learned about life from playing cards - luck is what hand you get dealt, skill is what you do with the hand you got dealt and lots of people don't understand the difference between luck and skill.
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I learned to never again trust anything having to do with Annie's brother Howard Lederer, a thieving scumbag who deserves to be shot and dumped in Lake Mead.
Details?
Lederer was a founder of FullTilt Poker.
FTP allegedly misused funds deposited by online poker players, and was shut down by none other than Preet Bharara.
FTP didn't get their money back until years later.
That FTP misused players' funds is pretty well established. What is less clear is how badly they were misused. That is, did the FTP principals steal substantially all of the money outright, or merely invest it like fractional reserve bank does. PokerStars ended up buying the assets of FTP for $547 million, and it's hard to imagine that they spent that much for its technology and defunct website.
Curiously, Lederer chose to apologize for his role in the FTP collapse today.
errr, just yesterday.
errrrrrr, FTP players didn't get their money back until years later.
I haven't watched the video, but what is with people projecting these skills on to Trump? Stop! Thank you.
Trump is INTUITION.
Trump is EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK.
Why is there blood in my poop?
Trump is the cult of personality. I don't get it, but people I know love the guy. He has skills, no doubt. While he may seem like a bumbling buffoon, he has a way of dismantling people and making them look even dumber than himself. He did this during the GOP debates. I wish I could remember the guys name and the Youtube video I watched, but the guy had about an hour long video where he was showing the debates and dissecting and explaining how Trump was taking down Jeb Bush, Rubio, and other candidates. I don't know if what he was saying is accurate, but it was fascinating to listen to. Maybe it's just dumb luck for Trump, but I'm starting to seriously doubt it. The guy knows exactly what he's doing and I expect to watch him do the same to Hillary, although no doubt Hillary needs no help with self destruction. she's an easy target. But I doubt that any other GOP candidate can do to her what Trump will.
Which has to do with how others perceive him, not his behavioral science skills.
Yes! Trump surviving and prospering is equivalent to any hindsight selection -- those who didn't have his peculiar set of skills in the right place at the right time simply weren't as successful. No one could have predicted his success 50 years ago, just as no one could reliably predict you'd pick the 3 of clubs from a deck beforehand. But in hindsight, yes you did pick the 3 of clubs, and yes Trump did succeed.
With a Svengali deck I can predict which card you'll draw. The game is rigged! Wake up sheeple!
I'm not a fan of Trump but one of things that I begrudgingly admire him for is stripping away this false veneer of intellectualism in politics when in reality, politics is just like watching the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox playing against each other. Rubio, Bush, Christie and others been training for this moment for years and spent huge amounts of money but they couldn't beat a guy who wasn't known for being politically savvy.
"I know you are, but what am I?"
I defy you to argue with that and not look stupider than me. The way to have handled Trump is for everybody to just have kept shushing him and saying "Quiet, now, Donald - the grown-ups are talking." No matter what, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
Trump is THE WHISPERER IN THE WALLS.
To be fair, he has written a few books on the subject. Don't you too want to learn "Trump's secrets to thinking BIG and kicking ass! Learn:
Momentum: the Big Mo. How to get it and how to get it back.
Revenge: how and when to get it (and why it's so sweet).
"I love you, now sign this!" Why contracts in business and personal life are so important.
Real-life stories from people who've applied the think BIG formula in their own lives."
You also know need to change your handle to "The Big Mo".
*now
So, I googled "the big mo" because I had read something about it in the past and wanted to refresh my memory, and one of the top search options was a recent piece by Vox Day (I refuse to link to it).
New theory: HM is Vox Day.
WE'RE DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE HERE PEOPLE!
So alpha...
Don't be such a big 'mo.
The secret to success of people who write books like that is most often that there are lots of people dumb enough to buy their books.
Said just like someone who can't:
Funny, I've did most of those things. And I didn't read any of the books. I'm not so sure this guy should bring any attention to his hair. I've slid into a depression like state a few times upon realizing that a billionaire is unable to fix bad hair. For a technology true believer, that is truly depressing. I now can only pray to the invisible sky god that my hair never thins that much.
Yeah? But can your god tell us
Didn't think so.
How to retire our debt without endangering long-established programs?like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid?that millions of Americans depend on
How to light a match underwater.
Even if we didn't have debt, those things would still deserve to die
Well you sure as hell ain't gonna sell any secret-to-success books if you speak clearly and concisely and print your secret right here for free. Especially when everybody knows the first question you're going to be asked is "If you know so much about being successful how come you're touting a stupid secret-to-success book instead of rolling around in a big ol' pile of money with a bevy of nekkid dancing girls?" and so the first chapter of your book has to be some bullshit about how you got so tired of winning all the time that you thought it would be more fun to tell others how they too could be winners.
Science is intuition, right?
I learned everything there is to know about cards and other vices in 'The Sting.'
Right on!
"Who the fuck is Marvin Hamlisch?"
Good movie.
I like Spider Solitaire. Sometimes I beat myself. I hate it when other people beat me at cards, which was often, and why I quit!
These euphemisms!
Nick, being part guinea, may have come across this over the years:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpXpMNBPN8c
I thought Nick was descended from the Tribe of Fonzarelli.
"If you know poker, you know people." Brett Maverick
A reference for the elderly commenters, one they can read right before they eat their early bird dinners.
Duke is the best guest ever. She could have recommended Scarne on Cards as a book for learning real poker. It was what James Bond studied before beating card hustlers and seducing their playmates. Poker and libertarian-ish government are why the US generally wins. Plus it's a way to get paid for learning basic probability and practicing mental arithmetic.
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RE: Annie Duke: 'What Life Lessons Can Poker Teach Us? All of Them.'
This is nonsense.
All of life's lessons can be learned in "Das Kapital" and the "Communist Manifesto."
Just ask any socialist.
Yep, that's where I learned you don't draw to an inside straight.
Oh, straight. That's why I never understood that. I thought people were saying eight.
She and Nick both miss why irrational mystics arm-twist politicians to ban gambling. Gambling is a mechanism that transfers wealth from irrational fools to folks who use math as a tool for assessing reality. Where gambling is legal, mysticism sees money drained out of the hands of suckers otherwise gullible enough to hand it to televangelists.
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