6 Ways Conservatives and the GOP Created Donald Trump (Their Nominee)
From scaling back civil liberties and imposing protectionist laws to enacting a bomb-friendly foreign policy...
Donald Trump's win in Indiana yesterday should come as no surprise. He has figured out how to lead the Republican presidential race by tapping into what Republican voters want to hear. Unfortunately, what they want to hear, and what Trump has been advocating, would scale back civil liberties, impose protectionist laws, enact a bomb-friendly foreign policy and create barriers with other nations. But none of this stuff is new. In fact, everything Trump talks about mirrors attitudes and policies, if not tones, pushed by mainstream conservatives and Republicans for decades.
With that in mind, here are six ways Donald Trump's ideas originate from conservatives and the GOP:
6. That God Dang Wall
Long before Trump conceived of a plan to build a wall on the border with Mexico, Republican politicians from Sen. John McCain of Arizona to the former Massachusetts governor and 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney were rallying the Republican base with promises of building some sort of barrier on the border. Further, with major Republican backing, Congress passed the Secure the Fence Act of 2006, which promised to build 700 miles of barrier along the border. They tried in 2009 and again in 2013 to get even more built. Too bad GOP politicians always forget that the majority of immigrants coming to America don't come across the border illegally but rather overstay their visas.
5. A Big Middle Finger to Immigrants
The way Donald Trump talks about immigrants seems scary. After all, he's said that "when Mexico sends its people, they're bringing drugs, they're bring crime, they're rapists." But his rhetoric is not that far off from conservative writers past and present at places like National Review. Reason's Nick Gillespie wrote:
According to National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru, "a hard line" on immigration is not simply one issue among many but is now a "defining" issue for contemporary conservatism. At least going back to the 1990s, the magazine, despite being edited by an immigrant (the Brit John O'Sullivan) inveighed against immigration in article after article.
4. Taking a Sh*t on Muslims
You've probably heard about Donald Trump's proposal to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States by now. Many writers and politicians have dismissed the idea, but when Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) told a radio station that the ban "goes beyond American values," his sincerity has to be taken with a grain of salt. Why? King may have not advocated for a ban on Muslims, but he has long advocated for heavy surveillance of their communities. After the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, Calif., King said at a press conference that the way to stop future attacks was to allow more profiling of Muslims.
3. Defense Spending (Peace Through Strength B.S.)
Trump tends to change his tune on defense spending depending on who he's talking to. But there is no doubt that he stole his peace through strength mantra from neoconservative talking points. Trump told a crowd at Liberty University recently that "we need to build our military, so big, so strong, so powerful that nobody, nobody is going to want to mess with us." The statement brought cheers from the crowd because neoconservatives from Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol to former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton have been so successful at promoting among their base the idea that increases in defense spending lead to peace.
Chew on this though: Spending on homeland security and military grew by 90 percent in inflation-adjusted dollars since 2000, yet conservatives and Republicans still demand that the U.S. increase military spending even more.
2. Chinese Trade Protectionism
Labeling a country a currency manipulator and sparking a potential trade war may be a dumb idea for a presidential candidate, but Donald Trump has made that act central to his campaign. That even sparked criticism from former Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Politico reported in March:
Romney's speech Thursday in Utah took aim at a few different components of Trump's agenda. "His proposed 35% tariff-like penalties would instigate a trade war that would raise prices for consumers, kill export jobs, and lead entrepreneurs and businesses to flee America," Romney declared.
Too bad Romney advocated for something very close to what Trump is proposing back when he ran in 2012. From Politico:
But back in the 2012 campaign, Romney offered a similar threat to China: "On day one, I will label China a currency manipulator, which will allow me as president to be able to put in place, if necessary, tariffs where I believe that they are taking unfair advantage of our manufacturers."
1. This one is a secret. But once you find out, you won't be surprised.
Correction: In the section on Muslims, video appears of a man who is not Muslim, but Sikh. We apologize for the error.
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That shot of Trump really puts me in mind of the Judge in Pink Floyd The Wall just before all the shit starts to pour out if it's mouth/asshole.
+1 feeling of an almost human nature
Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get them up against the wall!
There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me,
Get him up against the wall!
That one looks Jewish!
And that one's a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint,
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I'd have all of you shot
Trump Rally or Floyd?
B. S. Sounds like Floyd actually concerning the Jews. Damn, having secure borders, better trade deals is bad?
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The major difference is that El Trumpo dared to say what every nutty Republican was already thinking, and that is Mexican immigrants are rapists and drug dealers and some, one has to assume, being good people.
Or in Townhall. Or The Daily Caller. Etc.
Mexican immigrants are rapists and drug dealers and some, one has to assume, being good people.
Trump has a gift for the media. He knows there are never news reports about good people, Mexican or not. And, he knows that if he says something about Mexican criminals, he only has to wait for a story about an illegal immigrant committing a crime, because that does happen. If you recall, when he said that, there had just been a high-profile killing by an illegal immigrant, there was entirely predictable outrage at his statement, which was immediately nullified when another violent crime by an illegal made the news (in part because he had made it an issue).
He's harnessed the "if it bleeds it leads" to his narrative. He's the first Repub in a long time who knows how to use the media. OTOH, that's dangerous in a populist, but OTOH, it levels the playing field some with Dem media manipulation.
W. successfully manipulated the media to gin up a war for completely faked reasons.
In short, what the hell are you talking about?
Nonsense. What he harnessed is two or so decades of Reason/media/elites/etc demonizing everyone who could possibly entertain a difference of opinion on trade/immigration as racist bigoted morons who don't deserve to have any voice in anything. That free speech and free minds is really only for those who already agree with what Reason/elites believe - and no one can possibly disagree with free trade because obviously everyone is better off with cheap crap from China. And while that shut up most people, it is pretty clear that Donald has a)enough money/security to not give a shit what those who know better think of him and b)enough marketing savvy to know that that demonization did not eliminate the market for free speech on those issues.
Reason and its ilk created Donald Trump. If only a bigot can talk about immigration, then Donald will play bigot - and talk about immigration. And since free trade has made everyone better off (as Reason points out all the time), no one is listening to or voting for him and he came in last and disappeared long before Iowa (as predicted by all the elites and their polls).
Trump exposed a deep inconsistency in the Republican Party between the establishment/donor class and the people who vote for Republicans.
Their voters actually do not give a shit about or are actively against Social Security "reforms" that result in lower benefits, immigration reform, restricting abortion, "supply side" tax cuts, free trade agreements, etc. Though Trump claims he is anti-abortion, I do not buy it (I also believe he could have come out and said he is pro-choice without any backlash during the primaries), his rhetoric is otherwise 100% in tune with what the average Republican voter cares about.
The original post says something about 'their base supporting Donald Trump', but I'm not sure if that is actually true.
Donald Trump has managed to generate his own base of people who would never have otherwise voted in the Primaries. What are the primary turn-outs in the Republican races for this year vice 2012? Anecdotal, but I know a lot of very unhappy republicans with how this turned out.
On your other points; While Trump's explosive shits are based on conservative ideas, he's stretching them out into jingoistic extremes.
You know who else stretched out to jingoist extremes?
Nicolas Chauvin?
Richard Simmons?
Goatse?
Syme? (the Newspeak lexicographer in Orwell's 1984)
Trump doesn't speak for the average Republican voter, he speaks for the average voter. Naturally, that includes a lot of Republicans in our two-party system. But the average Republican voter actually does believe many of things that the Party platform expresses.
Nobody has presented any kind of evidence that the people voting for Trump in the primaries are not, by and large, general election Republican voters. Most of the white working class -- the people he bizarrely connects with -- largely left the Democratic coalition years if not decades ago. While his strength with and passion from this demographic may put states into play, his appeals to them are likely damaging to other sizeable groups.
Of all the Trumpsters in my Facebook feed, none of them posted anything remotely political in the past. They are not GOP rank and file. And if it weren't for their sheer number, they wouldn't be able to field any dues paying delegates.
I don't know about that, Trump's supporters are better off than most Americans according to Nate Silver.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/fea.....538twitter
It's because of the demise of Bill Buckley. Conservatives no longer have any heavyweight intellectuals, to the point that even being intelligent seems to an embarrassment to the party. George Will is good and all, but he's not a quarter of the weight that Buckley was. And then you have Bill Cristol who never saw a war he didn't like.
Face it, the party got inherited by the anti-intellectuals.
Just yesterday I saw a meme supporting Trump, that likened Trump to the "cool jock" and Cruz to the "smart dude" that everyone hates. Biff vs McFly, in other words, with with Trump in the role of Biff. And this meme was taken seriously, and was NOT a parody of Trump. The Trumpsters are literally priding themselves on not being smart!
This is a revolution against intelligent people.
Conservatism has always been an intellectual dead-end, so this shouldn't surprise anybody.
As opposed to all the other "isms"? Guess you haven't read Burke, Kirk and others.
But those Dem intellectuals are just soooooo smart!
Like Paulie Krugnuts. And Matt Yglesias.
I like conservat*ism*, I'm not so hot on the country's most prominent conservat*ives.*
The "ives" have severely damaged the "ism."
So Mr. Detrick found some good material, but of course some of it he exaggerates.
In one of his "conservatives are just like Trump" montage, he starts by Trump saying Mexico is sending its rapists, then cuts to conservatives saying, among other things, that immigrants need to learn English, or that massive immigration will change the culture in undesirable ways.
Calling Mexicans rapists, saying they should learn English if they're in America - same basic xenophobia, right?
Then they take Trump's call for a Muslim immigration ban and contrast it with King's call for surveillance of Muslims in America. I think King is an enemy of the Fourth Amendment, but that't not the same as saying he's OMG JUST LIKE TRUMP. King says he wants to use surveillance to find out which Muslims want to harm America, and which ones don't, while Trump says keep them all out.
I couldn't agree more. I myself am a Constitutional Conservative in the line of Goldwater and not a Social Conservative at all. I can't think of a single thing Trump has said that I agree with in terms of Muslims, Immigration, and trade deficits.
I hate that the word Conservative has become synonymous with Religious Right Wing Asshole.
Cheer up. Conservative only means Christian Mohammedan in These States, and only since 1928, when the GOP finally added a Prohibition Plank to its platform: PROHIBITION: We reaffirm the American Constitutional Doctrine as announced by George Washington in his "Farewell Address," to-wit: The Constitution which at any time exists until changed by the explicit and authentic act by the whole people is sacredly obligatory upon all. (...) The people through the method provided by the Constitution have written the Eighteenth Amendment into the Constitution. The Republican Party pledges itself and its nominees to the observance and vigorous enforcement of this provision of the Constitution. [Nicholas Murray Butler offers repeal plank, hooted down] (NY World Almanac 1929 848) (Johnson and Porter 1975 288)
Someday a Republican will read the 14th Amendment "All persons born.." and realize that the pregnant woman is the individual with rights, not the televangelist brainwasher. The rest of the English speaking world, (excepting Nigeria) already understands this.
As opposed to Atheist Left Wing Ass hole?
So the Republican establishment repeatedly sells out the conservative base (I mean, you're not saying that McCain and Romney represent the right-wing id of the GOP, are you?).
This year, a plurality of Republican primary voters sells out the conservative base.
So let's blame the conservative base! Why not?
Well, the NSDAP conservative base didn't do so well at Nuremberg...
This -is- the actual conservative base doing the selecting this time.
The only ones feeling disenfranchised by Trump are movement/ideological conservatives, who are fully content to sniff Bill Buckley's desiccated anus to the end of the time and intellectualize about what it means to be 'conservative'. They write and proselytize about 'conservatism' but have never actually accomplished anything in the American politic.
Their elitist sensibilities balk at the idea of the hoi polloi being allowed to vote for a candidate, because normal people will never go for the refined 'principled conservative' wonk of their dreams.
Just found this - Hitchens on Trump
Wow, I didn't know Christopher Hitchens had a son. And he looks a lot like his Dad.
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They ended up with Trump because republicans are essentially just democrats with bibles. Even the republicans can't stomach the hypocrisy anymore.
OT: I've been watching One America News Network rather than FOX lately. Their "news" shows, which is most of the time, show actual news from around the world with virtually no BS. They do have a few opinion shows, and most of them aren't half bad.
I barely listened (XM) or watched FOX since they were pushing Bush, then Rubio. But now I'm done with them. Especially when one woman on the "The Five" said something along the lines of "Well, it's time Republican's start to think about family leave" or something like that. It wasn't the Liberal woman, either. Was she talking about the government mandating to companies that they now have to provide paid leave?
I'll stick with OANN unless they start to pander as well.
Donald Trump has been a (registered?) democrat for most of his life. How did the GOP "create him"? Did the Democrats create Bernie Sanders, because his outright socialist views resemble some of their policies?
Trump and Sanders are doing what Ron Paul failed to do. They're outsiders who hijacked a major party and gained massive support from less traditional voters who are increasingly feeling alienated. Any notion that they're spawns of the major parties is laughable.
Reason is so right, but when they're off, they're off. Just a few weeks ago they admitted that most Trump voters were not typical republicans. The republican establishment don't want Trump, and the dems don't want Sanders. The super delegates are already all in on Clinton. Sanders and Trump agree on economic issues. They already VASTLY outperformed any prospective LP nominee, who will likely receive 7% of the national vote.
Ron Paul is a crony pediatrician, eager to use the violence of law to force women to reproduce against their will. The statistical inference from Freakonomics is that this increases crime. The statistical inference from population biology is that this guarantees famine and war. The statistical inference from actuarial calculations of betting odds on elections is that the party menacing physicians to violate the individual rights of women LOSES the election.
Two percent of the national vote saddled These States with the communist income tax and mystical prohibitionism. 7% should suffice to repeal both those amendments and usher in the Atlas Shrugged free trade amendment. Women need not be bullied for the nation to be free.
That damn Ron Paul. We got to stop him.
Lol
Lol! If women don't want to reproduce, keep their legs closed or use birth control. Choices have consequences.
eager to use the violence of law to force women to reproduce against their will.
"Did you hear what Reagan's policy to prevent teenage pregnancy is? 'Hey girls, suck more dick.'"- Richard Belzer in 1981
It works for the older ladies too...
BTW is there a primary some sort for libertarian party? Or do they just pick their candidate in a convention?
I would like to vote for the Mcafee man. I'm getting tired of Gray Johnson, to be honest.
I'd like McAfee as well.
I want to elect him as the replacement for Dos Equis "Most Interesting Man in the World".
showing as the Flaming Leftist you are..........
They are NOT immigrants - they are a 60 million illegal alien army!
Youre a Muslim appeaser.....move Sharia to your house!
You love the decades old process of shipping US jobs for decades - as long as you eat!!
etc etc etc
DESPICABLE............
ALL of those things are in the Republican Party platform of 2012. True, it reads like Mein Kampf, all the way down to the Positive Christianity, hatred of foreigners, especially semites, with the usual brutal violations of individual rights and economic freedom. All Trump did was read the damned thing and interpret it a little too straightforwardly, to the discomfiture of the entrenched Party soft machine. The best part, however, is forcing women to reproduce by menacing physicians (the Robert Lewis Dear plank).
It's worthwhile to print out the 50 or so pages and make bets at the corner saloon. You can have conservative suckers paying your bar tab from now till November. Hillary odds are 3 to 1 FOR, Trump odds are 2 to 1 AGAINST--a 500% spread in the odds thanks to the Robert Lewis Dear plank. There has to be some form of punishment for stupidity and cowardice, and voters stand poised to mete it out.
You sound like a douchebag.
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*yawn*. Conflating legal and illegal immigrants again. While this gets old, it does help flag an article as not worth reading.
Their current legal status is of secondary importance to what they bring to the US.
The relevant question is whether they make us (*current* Americans) more free and more prosperous.
If they do, they're welcome. If they don't, they're not welcome.
Trouble is, most immigrant groups overwhelmingly support Dems over Repubs. Hispanics, in particular.
They bring their 3rd world mentality here and reduce this country even more. Build the damn wall!
6. That God Dang Wall
I believe this goes all the way back to the original amnesty in the 80s.
If we had built it then, we wouldn't be having this argument now.
5. A Big Middle Finger to Immigrants
I know our Elite Overlords find it hard to relate, but yes, Americans First.
4. Taking a Sh*t on Muslims
Because theocratic totalitarianism is so wonderful.
3. Defense Spending (Peace Through Strength B.S.)
Because Peace Through Weakness works so much better.
2. Chinese Trade Protectionism
Because open American markets and closed Chinese markets is "Free Trade".
*** So Reason hates Trump and Republicans for a bunch of things that make a whole lotta sense.
They bring their 3rd world mentality here and reduce this country even more. Build the damn wall!
They bring their 3rd world mentality here and reduce this country even more. Build the damn wall!
True. Reason sounds like progressives.
The more time i spend on this site the more it appears that way. There is a lot of hate directed at conservatives and i rarely see any directed to the left.
Which i find puzzling since the modern left is becoming pretty fascist. You'd think a site that's supposed to be libertarian wouldn't be aligning with the wannabe nazis.
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The reason we have Trump is because of the Democr?ts and Obama's anti business, weak foreign policy and open immigration policies that result in the anger of the people.
We are a nation of laws. Either they are applied or they aren't. Progressives would just like to support the laws they want or create the ones the want, no matter what our Constitution says. This is a result of the inadequate public school education over the last 40 years that has created an uneducated populace that thinks minimum wage jobs are a career and who haven't an understanding of our history. But they know everything about the Kardashians.
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"Too bad GOP politicians always forget that the majority of immigrants coming to America don't come across the border illegally but rather overstay their visas."
Source?
I keep hearing this but can never find any proof. Most stories say its 30 to 40% of illegals who overstay a VISA. Which means a majority entered illegally. And that only counts the ones we know about.
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The Left needs to own their share in the creation of Trump. After watching a narcissistic a-hole re-write laws on the fly for 8 years and get away with it a lot of them decided Trump was the guy to do that but in a way they actually liked.
Blaming only one side for Trump is simplistic and dishonest and fails to look at the big picture.
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That lots of illegals simply overstay their visa instead of sneaking over the southern border is a reason not to build a wall? Exactly what sort of thinking is involved here?
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