Hillary and Bernie Supporters in Their Own Words
Bernie Sanders' supporters outnumbered Hillary Clinton's by a wide margin.
Reason TV was on the campus of the University of New Hampshire for last night's Democratic presidential debate. Before and during the televised dust-up between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, we caught up with supporters of both would-be nominees, who held dueling rallies outside the debate hall.
Hillary's supporters were largely motivated by her professionalism and confirmed status as a woman, but seemed amenable to voting for Bernie if he were the nominee. On the other hand, Bernie backers were moved by the Vermont senator's self-described revolution, and for the most part, offered only tepid support for a possible Clinton candidacy.
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"I'm an idiot and I can prove it!"
Do yourselves a favor and watch to the end. Priceless.
I could probably refrain from laughing at her and pretend to care what she was saying if I thought I had a chance,
Sounds like all you need for that shot is to be a Democrat.
Feel the Bern!
It was.
"She's a slanderous, lying flip-flopper, and I want to feed her to the woodchipper right now."
"Would you vote for her?"
"Sure!"
Classic.
You mean the
"Hillary is clearly unethical and a liar and believes in nothing"
"So would you vote for her if she's the nominee"?
"Yes."
for you see, my own actual positions are things i support for the sake of appearances and social reward
At least she had to think on it first.
i suspect the real debate in her mind was, "What's the right thing to say?"
which is of course the same debate constantly going on in the mind of Hillary
the reality is that many won't vote. for bernie OR hillary. the utility of posing will wear thin.
Aren't young Democrats supposed to be wide-eyed idealists? That pause before "yes" was like her mulling over whether she'd sell her soul to the devil.
Favorite Bernie Ad So Far.
Remember, it is all of those people out in flyover country who own guns, drive big cars, and go to church who are the ignorant menace to America, not enlightened, reality based, Progressives.
^ THIS.
Geez, these people are retarded.
They would not be so scary if they were just retarded. It is their absolute conviction that everyone else is retarded is makes them so scary. They are so retarded they don't even realize it and then make up for it by assuming anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do is really the retarded one.
They would not be so scary if they were just retarded. It is their absolute conviction that everyone else is retarded is makes them so scary.
That's a good observation.
It is an important observation. But it is a fault that an awful lot of people of all ages political persuasions (libertarians at least as much as anyone) have.
Everyone thinks that everyone else is stupid and that the only reason to disagree is stupidity or ignorance. Everyone thinks they are a better river than everyone else. Everyone thinks that their tastes in beer and pizza are the correct ones.
Well Zeb, in my case it is absolutely true.
I don't know if I can really claim to be a better river. Driver, definitely.
Had this discussion with a hard right conservative friend of mine awhile back. He framed it like this:
"Everyone believes that he is right."
I disagreed. Some of us believe we could be wrong, and the distinction is HUGE.
People who believe they are right -- Progressives, religious fundamentalists, etc -- feel obligated to make decisions for those who are too stupid to see the truth.
Those who believe they could be wrong believe people should be allowed to make their own decisions to the best of their ability, provided they aren't hurting others.
There are probably other types of people, but in our discussion, he was clearly type 1, and I was clearly type 2, so other options didn't come up.
I suck at driving. Hate doing it too. But I am smarter than everyone else, and I drink wine, not beer!
But one poignant difference is: I do not view it as my responsibility (nor would I ever want the responsibility) to fix or educate people I think are stupid, and am chiefly concerned with preventing them from claiming the responsibility to 'fix' or 'educate' me, with or without my consent.
This just makes me think of CS Lewis's remark about how the worst oppressors are benevolent ones. The robber baron who just seeks to enrich himself and is indifferent to others is not near as dangerous as the tyrant who will commit any cruelty in order to save the people from themselves (or some fraction of themselves).
Exactly. A true believer will send you to the headsman with a song on his lips and joy in his heart. He's absolutely convinced that pushing you is the right thing to do, not just for him, but for you.
punishing you as well.
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"It is their absolute conviction that everyone else is retarded is makes them so scary."
The irony is strong in this one.
Sadly, simply idiocy can't explain it.
What were they saying?
And if you would ask them about genetically modified food, herbicides or drinking water chlorination, suddenly they become 19th century luddites.
OT: Millennials poled:
Struggling with social media... Facebook uncool, Snapchat perfect because it's not too social.
Facebook is for old people. Facebook is great for old people or full adults who have friends and family all over the country. It makes no sense for young people. Young people are not old enough to have that many friends in different places or long lost friends they would like to reconnect with. And that is all Facebook is useful for. It was just a matter of time before Facebook gravitated towards its natural demographic of old people.
You think? The only thing I find it useful for is organizing social events with people that live near by.
I thought that's what Meetup.com was for?
That's for meeting new people who share your interests.
Ah, so Zeb is trying to meet with people that don't share his interests.
More or less.
Huh, "Eastside Hookers". I clicked on that, thinking "now there's a shared interest"... it's a fucking knitting club. A KNITTING CLUB!!!1!!
That's deceptive. Knitting doesn't involve hooks.
It's crochet. My wife belongs to one of those.
Yes, I am familiar with the different types of non-woven textile.
Sure, they claim it's a "Knitting Club". That's just code to keep out the riffraff who aren't in the know.
What, knitters can't be prostitutes, you age-ist bastard?
yeah...what do think a hitch-and-purl really is?
I don't even know what that is.
I'm not what you'd call an early adopter. Or a joiner.
All I know is that when I have a party, Facebook works pretty well for inviting most of the people I know. Outside of that I pretty much avoid it so that I don't end up hating all of my friends.
That's a good call.
It's useful for its stock price.
Facebook groups are good for organizing the college sect who for some godforsaken reason can't check their email. Other than that, not really a lot of usefulness.
Millennials poled
Pics?
Lawl
Single-payer college is really, really big. I honestly had no idea.
Free shit is always popular
I recall Obama supporters vocalizing the potential of student loan forgiveness.
And every progressive wants to attend a small, private, out-of-state liberal arts college. They will borrow $55k/yr to do so but would prefer others pick up that tab. Cos it takes a village to educate a socialist.
Next time, ask the Hillary supporters to name her greatest accomplishment.
I liked the last student who, after accusing Hillary of lacking authenticity, being a liar and inconsistent, said she'd support Hillary.
Well, that does seem to be a winning combination in presidential elections.
"She did important work using the women of Afghanistan as cover for US operations there"
"She has a vagina which another human being has been birthed through, also she travelled a lot."
Is the compost and geothermal vents kid in the video? I continue to be completely dumbfounded by that one.
I know right? I read that as a solution to the world's energy crisis and it left me (Me!) speechless.
Someone should have told him that oil and coal are nature's compost.
The Bern is the voice of this generation.
Fucking losers.
Wait'll you get a load of the Homelanders...
The person who impressed me as the most sincere and honest was the one who said, "Bernie is not a real socialist"
Yep. If he ain't gonna nationalize everything, then he's a poser.
That guy was completely wrong. Bernie would nationalize everything, he just knows better than to say it out loud.
what impressed me was that he had his own opinion about socialism. i think it's a pretty obviously terrible idea, but he was the only one who got beyond cult of personality at all
It was bad enough reading about these twits earlier, now we have video evidence that yes, these people are real, and they really are that stupid.
I'm holding out a small sliver of hope that these kids are just world-class trollers making fun of everyone. The alternative is too depressing.
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Free college paid for by other people. Yay!!! Screw those hard working folks while I get my liberal arts degree and complain about nobody wanting to hire me.
Again, these folks are clueless because they are shielded from any consequenses. When you tell them violence will be required, they give you a blank stare.
Bbbut it's not violence if top men do it. They make a law, and it's the law of the land, so you have to follow it, else you go to jail and have your stuff taken from you. If you don't do what the majority tell you, then they should take everything from you for not participating in the wants of the community.
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Though I started as a Clinton supporter, I am now a Sanders supporter.
The problem with Clinton is that she just has too much baggage. Also, one gets the sense that she really does approve of Bill Clinton's strategy of triangulation. One gets the sense that she would bring the same lack of passion to the position as President Obama.
Agree with Sanders or not, things that cannot be doubted about him include his sincerity, passion, and conviction.
Eh no. He is really either dishonest or really stupid. He also seems to have anger issues and is very bitter.
He repeats the same talking points over and over without bothering to look at the details.
You know who else had sincerity, passion and conviction?
I'll take German dictators for $1000, Alex.
Mohamed Atta.
"Hillary's supporters were largely motivated by her professionalism and confirmed status as a woman"
Confirmed status as a woman? Has that ACTUALLY been confirmed? And what poor schmuck had to do the confirming?
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