Generational Swindle: How DC is Screwing over Millennials
Jared Meyer on "Disinherited: How Washington Is Betraying America's Young"
People "want to frame this as a generational warfare issue, but I think it really isn't," says Jared Meyer of the Manhattan Institute and co-author of Disinherited: How Washington Is Betraying America's Young. "It's Washington versus America's young—not boomers and the Silent Generation."
In Disinherited, Meyer and his co-author Diana Furchtgott-Roth point blame at a wide range of government policies that threaten to leave millennials worse off than Gen Xers and previous generations. When the education system isn't failing kids in K-12, it's charging them exorbitant amounts for college degrees that confer less and less advantage. Fiscal policy, debt, and labor laws are squeezing out opportunities for go-getters and entrepreneurs. And then there's unsustainable old-age entitlements, such as Social Security and Medicare, that take money from the relatively young and poor Americans and give it to older, wealthier people.
"Politicians sold a false bill," Meyer tells Reason's Nick Gillespie. "They said: 'All these programs that you are paying for now, you're going to get the money you paid in later.' But they've made promises where they give benefits now and push the cost off to the future, which means current retirees are getting far more back then what they paid in."
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Millennials? You're basically fucked.
It's ok, Millennials gave us Obama so they're getting theirs.
I don't know what they are complaining about, they are receiving a very valuable education, it's just not the education they thought they were paying for.
Sadly, they're not learning the proper lesson from the education they're getting. Ha! They wanted it and are now confused by what they're getting.
Just like the Greeks.
yes
As someone who was in college in 2008 and was never on the Obama hype wagon (I was for Ron Paul), all the Obama voters, especially the ones my age, are definitely getting what they deserve. Unfortunately that means the rest of us are also getting what the Obama voters deserve.
And there's the rub...the millenials bought into the "What if" of YES WE CAN without once thinking it through...because contrary to the Treasury, money doesn't grow on trees...and of course, nothing is free
Well, they're going to vote for Bernie Sanders this time around, which will completely fix the problem.
^^^ This. I can't even count the number of Derpbook posts I've seen from friends and family that somehow think the answer to oppressive government is more government and the answer to government theft is more government theft.
That sizes it up perfectly.
A fair point; as Mencken said, "democracy is the theory that the people know what kind of government they want and deserve to get it, good and hard."
Yeah but it's okay the millennials are getting screwed since they're the one ones who voted for this socialist crap when they overwhelmingly voted for Obama. Ever hear of poetic justice? I LOVE IT!
If you're in your 60s you may as well be voting for all the socialism you can get, you won't have to pay for it. Fuck the children!
Not just the Millennials are going to get a dose of reality with respect to Social Security. In a law school class on personal taxation, back in the early '90s (so mostly Gen-X in the classroom), the professor was getting very excited about the relatively recent change with respect to Social Security at the time - up to 50% of the benefits could now be included in the recipient's taxable income. The professor didn't seem to understand why the class wasn't getting excited over the issue. A student asked a clarifying question - "Please raise your hands if you ever expect to receive a payment from Social Security in your lifetime?". The only person in the room who raised a hand was the professor - as he was going to start collecting in a couple of years.
Bottom line - The Boomers are very likely to break the system once they are fully retired. Anyone after the boomers is paying a tax, not making an investment and should not expect to see a return on that money.
DC is not treating millenials well. But Marvel is doing a good job.
our education shit is "stagnating" cuz it's so calcified. there's already a power system in place, and they don't wanna give up any power. same with healthcare. when what they're doing doesn't work they just do more of the same thing, cuz that's all they know how to do. innovation is always a threat to those people.
Public schools began with the premise that the State needs to indoctrinate children with State philosophy. One of the more practical reasons was to prevent Catholic schools from creating more papists, or German descendants from teaching their kids German or Kaiserish ideas. One of the few things the Progressive Supreme Courts got right was throwing out a state law (Oregon, I think) which banned parochial schools.
Somebody here pointed out to me during the O-care debates that what O-care was offering was increased insurance coverage, NOT improved health care. Who ever that was, I thanked him/her at the time and since have made sure not to confuse the two since.
Similarly, someone here pointed out to me that most all schools are "public", the difference is how the schools are funded, and since then (again, thanks), what I formerly called "public schools" now get the more accurate name of "government schools".
And I agree with you regarding the purpose.
Good idea. It also forces home the point, that government is running them, and I know some proggies who would not like the implication, even as much as they want free schools paid by taxpayers.
Retirees are getting more than they paid in? I should receive back more than I was required, under law, to pay in. If I had invested that money in a personal retirement account, it would be worth more today. If I had invested that money in rental real estate, providing someone with housing, it would be worth more money today. If I had used the money to pay down my own mortgage, I would have more money today. Any common sense investment of my money would be worth more today than putting it into the hands of the government. If nothing else, inflation requires we get paid back more than we paid in. Claiming that senior citizens are receiving more in SS than they paid in is just another form of class warfare against the elderly.
"Claiming that senior citizens are receiving more in SS than they paid in is just another form of class warfare against the elderly."
Many elderly currently on SS will get paid far, far more than they paid in. Whereas, anyone past the Baby Boomers will get less than they paid in.
I said anyone, but really just the majority of workers. Clearly, those that made the minimal contribution will still get a great pay back. Technically, you only need 40 quarters at minimum wage to qualify for the minimum amount.
They're all welfare programs. Previously only high income earners got back less in SS than they paid in. As of 2010 median dual income earners will get back less than they paid in. But don't worry. All of those non-working, GMO-free housewives will still get their 50% spousal benefits and disability will still be used as permanent welfare.
Medicare still pays out more than it takes except for the 0.1%.
Except if you include the potential interest earned on the money paid it over 40+ years. When that is taken into account you realize that SS is a huge ripoff for a LOT of people.
That's basically what I just said. The only clear winners are those at the bottom and those with non-working spouses. Someone explain to me why someone who never worked a day in their life is entitled to SS benefits. Oh, right, equal protection.
Similar to when my employer automatically enrolled me in their pension plan, making me ineligible for an IRA... when pension plans didn't vest until you were with the company ten or more years and the average tenure of many employees was rocketing down past 10 years. Sort of a reverse-Ponzi scheme?
I strongly suspect that if I had been able to start an IRA back in the late 1960's and even average 3-5% a year (and back when employers maybe could have contributed extra dollars, too...) I might be able to withdraw more yearly dollars from my current balance without tapping principal than I can receive from SocSec. Just a guess, but I bet someone's done that math...
And you, "the elderly" are the ones who allowed this illogical travesty to happen, your the ones who watched and didn't speak up as the "trust fund" was financed with IOU's year after year, and your the ones who scream bloody murder when anyone tries to fix it. You done fucked up, you should be the ones who pay the price instead of demanding the next generations pay for your mistakes with their future. This isn't generational warfare, this is the younger generations trying to figure out how to take care of themselves when you and the money we're paying in are all gone.
BS. Many of us have been bitching for years about the government wasting OUR hard earned money, not theirs. And not just SS and Medicare but across all departments. But we were not compassionate, we were not forward looking, we didn't understand the need to protect foreign interests and on and on THEY knew better.. We have watched government employees go from average salaries to ridiculous salaries and benefits, elected officials with some perks to living like jet setters. I know many elderly who have nothing but their SS. But I know some 20 somethings with 2 kid and housing subsidies, iPhones, food stamps and government subsidized healthcare who keep pumping out kids for the money. I know people who did not get married until after the kid is born so the government will pay all the bills, I know people who do not pay for nursing home care because the government allows for assets to be diverted. I will work till I am 70. I did not allow shit to happen. It was shoved down my throat and up my ass by the damn "revenurs". The elderly are not the problem neither are the young, the government is the problem.
amen mamasan, and for Kandralla's benefit, folks like ME have been hearing all kinds of stupid "fixes" for these problems coming from people who can't seem to recognize that these problems have built up over at least two or more 40-year "working generations" and Will Not Be Fixed in One Working Lifetime no matter what "Instant Cures" anyone suggests.
'Solutions' should be phased in over at least the next 20-60 years and a lot of bullets bitten in between now and then.
Make SocSec an opt-in at ANY age, with defined payments prorated against how long you've elected to pay in. But if you don't opt in, don't take care of your own investments for your own retirement, medical needs or umpteen kids, We (Uncle Sam or Uncle Sap) will NOT bail your ass out.
For starters....
Things nobody in the mainscream media will EVER raise as a suggestion, I promise you.
How is it BS, I will likely get zero back from social security, I will also likely pay more into it than the majority of the people Boo Hoo'ing over the fact that they "deserve" to get back some amount.
They deserve nothing.
As a generation they bought into the the scam much longer than my generation has and now they're destroying their children's lives in a quest to "get what they deserve". My generation (the screwed) has already resigned itself to the fact that we will be slaves to this system, pay thousands upon thousands of dollars into it to get nothing back in return.
"Claiming that senior citizens are receiving more in SS than they paid in is just another form of class warfare against the elderly."
Claiming that senior citizens deserve the hard earned money of young people is class warfare against the young, you effing moron. There was no "system" into which the current batch of seniors citizens paid. When they were young, the generations older than them robbed them. To claim that it's not okay for today's elderly to rob today's young because yesterday's elderly robbed them when they were young is NOT "class warfare". You have a brain. You should use it sometime.
I know it fits the narrative to link Social Security with old rich people but it doesn't all go to those with huge retirement accounts. Much of it goes to the poor with no retirement plans based on a promise from the government they chose to believe.
"a promise from the government they chose to believe."
It did not matter whether we belived it or not, we still had to pay in to it.
Yes but those very same poor were robbed while they were working as younger folks. The had to pay the 6ish percent while working plus their employer had to match. I'd wager that most poorer individuals would want at least that 6% they had to give up for the "greater good" i.e., the old people back then.
a promise from the government they chose to believe.
"You fucked up! You trusted us!" - government
... Not to mention, "Well, who elected us to pass and implement those laws, again?"
-- (not the government, btw...)
The deli I work at is staffed mostly by part timers in their late fifties and early sixties who need some extra money. They complain about SS all the time and theyre getting a decent return on their "investment". By the time I'm their age, you'll have to be in your 80's to collect social security.
... and the SocSec system, for one, should have been indexed to inflation (for "contributions") and to life expectancy (for eligibility age, for example) MANY Decades Ago.
Remind yourself who did NOT demand those changes be made? Voters? Congressmonkeys?
Two or three generations of Voters.
Paybacks are hell.
Or they could have gotten rid of it a long time ago and let us save our own money for retirement. Which would have been the best idea, since I'm pretty damned sure I can earn a better return on investment than the government will give me on my "contributions" via Social Security.
Radical thought, I know...save for your own fucking retirement.
Well I'm Gen-X and over half of my labor taxed, regulated, and debased away, and probably will see a fraction of any social security, if any. Does Reason give a fuck about me?
In short, it's going to be a battle between Gen-X (and our kids) and the millenials as to who is going to carry the most burden when the Ponzi Schemes reach their inevitable end. It's not Gen-X fault that the Roosevelts and Johnson were dumber than hammers.
And forgive me if I worry about me and my kids versus the millenials who have brainwashed by the Establishment largely controlled Boomers. I would have preferred it otherwise, but it's too late now. If you're sandwiched between Gen-X and our kids, too bad. You have/had the option to share in the misery, but if your solution is MORE bullshit socialism, you can eat shit.
The millennials will get fiscal religion when they finally have to pay the piper. Isn't democracy great?
They're paying debts promised the piper over years right now. And not only are they paying the piper for services to someone else today, they're also paying off the IOU's (with interest) promised the piper for past services. It won't be long before all of the taxes the kids pay today are just to pay for services rendered to people long dead. Kind of like the interest we pay on the national debt today is largely for things like bridges that have fallen and been replaced (with more debt) numerous times. We're still paying interest on the debt we borrowed to wage WWI, because we've never paid that debt off, we just make the minimum payments.
Try teaching your kids what a lot of Boomers' parents taught us...
Don't buy anything you don't have the money to pay cash for.
Pay off your mortgage as soon as possible.
Keep your debt to an absolute minimum.
Never go into debt where you can't afford the carrying charges (interest.)
Worked for me... I started into my first work career with the assumption that I'd have to pay for my own lifestyle after retirement and it would be pure fucking luck if any Government Plan would be around to help. I'm lucky. SocSec covers about 1/3 of my lifestyle's financial 'burn rate' today and if SocSec went to zero tomorrow, my IRAs would keep food on the shelf and a roof over our heads for my wife and me for about another dozen years (I track that weekly on a spreadsheet). With SocSec and current numbers, we'll have 'enough money' for about a hundred years, and we're both '70-ish' NOW.
What are you teaching YOUR kids?
All solid plans, and you chose the smart route. I'm in my 40s and I'm following the same model.
How is this just effecting Millenials. Gen-Xr's are screwed by SS and Medicare too. Roughly 70% SS and 50% Medicare in the 2030's and are retirement age was bumped to 67 to boot.
Social Security is a sacred cow. We should focus instead on more pressing issues, like Reason's propensity to put gut-wrenchingly bland "teaser" moments at the beginning of their videos.
I can understand the desire to put a snarky hook at the top of a video, but these such clips are typically long, dull, and not material to the actual argument at hand.
On a lighter note: if I have my economic theory correct, destroying Reason's videos and forcing them to re-shoot them all will cause massive economic development (the guy who gently strokes guests' foreheads with a moist towelette will have more money to spend on sleazy photoshops of Nicky G) thus kickstarting the economy.
In all fairness, they DESERVE to be screwed over, overwhelmingly supporting leftist causes and with over 2/3 supporting Obama. This is the government millenials wanted. Now they're getting it. Good and hard. Brings a smile to my face.
^ I have to agree with that... and so many today are supporting Bernie!!!? Shitheads, all.
If they think 'life's unfair' NOW, I don't even wish them to find out what socialism will do to their alleged lives after a few decades. It's bad enough (actually TOO bad) already!
"But, I like money!"
/old people
I suggest you stop "liking money."
Money is a tool.
Having some enables you to make choices of what to do with it.
Having more money broadens the range of choices you have.
Nobody notices that truly poor societies have NO excess "money" to pay for nice stuff like 'green energy' and 'recycling programs.'
That only comes when they've become successful enough to have "spare cash" to spend on shit like that.
Or you can disagree....
Heck, right now every SSI benefit check has to be paid by the checks coming in through current SSI taxes, which don't cover them. Because they don't cover the benefits other tax monies not intended for SSI have to be used to pay off the SSI IOU's with interest. So the SSI benefits people have paid into for a lifetime are now being paid totally out of todays taxes, plus interest. What government is good at is creating slush funds for itself and selling them as 'benefits' to Americans who aren't smart enough to look in the poke it's selling us a pig in.
CK... WHO KEEPS ELECTING THEM????
Either people are being disingenuous or are just totally ignorant, but whenever the SS debate comes up no one seems to ever mention that fact that some of the people who are receiving/close to receiving SS retirement "benefits" did NOT always have to pay in. People used to be able to opt out of SS. Not anymore.
My "old man" just turned 62, so he isn't quite at retirement age yet. But he always talks about how he didn't always have to pay in (obviously the laws were changed at some point in time) but he can still collect the maximum amount as long as he waits it out. So yes, there are people who are collecting/going to be collecting much more than they ever paid in, regardless of inflation.
WTF.
You would have to work for at least 10 years I believe. I collect SS now and will be glad to give it up if it were dumped as a program. Gladly. But as long as it inflates the value of goods and creates a false floor, I'm gonna act in my own interest.
I don't think it should be anything but welfare for the elderly poor. That's it.
I am 64 and have been paying SS since I was 16. Just looked at my annual statement to confirm. Not sure how your Dad escaped because the program was established in the 40's. Maybe he means Medicare.
How DC is Screwing over Millennials
At least they are not coming home from some godforsaken jungle in body bags at the rate of 1400 a month.
You all seem really obsessed with labels . . . millennials, conservative, liberal, progressive, libertarian . . .
Am I the only one pretty bored with all the generalizing about simplistic classifications?
* a reference to the authors . . .
If elected, Bernie Sanders promises a right to free Ben & Jerry's Ice cream and a new flavor called Millennial Marijuana Mudslide
Nick has been at the forefront of talking about this and deserves a lot of credit. I tell my sons they are going to have to be twice as smart as me, work twice as hard, to get half as much (we live in coastal California so they have real estate to contend with too). But to find a young person who believes in free markets, liberty, and small government is a rare thing. You can't help dumb I guess. I guess the line that the rich are going to be taxed to pay for you is very powerful. I thought the Manhattan Institute was very liberal. This guy seems pretty hard core (complete commitment to charter schools, fixing Medicaid) I'm impressed.
Honestly, when you're sold the idea of college is great, jobs are plentiful, etc. and find out that no, in fact that's all a lie...you want somewhere to turn. Most aren't willing to think "I just need to be left alone" as they have their backs broken under college debt and a terrible job market.
To a point, I think millenial aversion to small government is just rational, in a sense. Because all the small gov't in the world probably won't help them immediately. The damage is done and they're looking to alleviate it. Whether or not you agree with them is one thing, but I can see why they feel wronged.
The Manhattan Institute is nowhere close to being liberal. In fact google City Journal. Very good writing.
"...getting far more THAN what they paid in." It's not "then." What's up with all the mistakes lately, Reason? Just about every article has one. Did you guys fire your copyeditor recently? Silly errors detract from what is otherwise a superb publication.
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Great to hear a millenial waking up to reality. I wouldn't absolve the boomer generation. They were the ones who elected the cronies in Washington. No candidate could even mention social security or medicare reform. That's due to the boomers.
I just stoically try to accept that I've been born into the peasants life. There is nothing I can do to affect government, that's the illusion they peddle to exert control over the tool sacks that the powerful use to further their power. Libertarianism is a dream, socialism is just a word that people my age think will give them something, I am not sure what. Different words to color the exact same path in life, the powerful won't yield and they will always exist; the weak will be crushed under heel. At least the government isn't actively kicking down doors and raping my mother, sisters, daughters on the same scale as my peasant ancestors endured. I have copious drugs, booze, and flashing lights to sedate myself from the pointless charade of caring about who's boot is going to win the right to crush me into obedience.
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Bwahahahahahah!
I'm so glad you voted to gild my retirement package with years and years of your paycheck withholdings.
While you are still masturbating to your Hopenchange poster, I'll be sailing off to wherever, whenever I feel like it.
How does it feel to be fleeced twice; once by President Goldman Sachs and then (for many, many more years than eight, by the way) by us retirees living a life you could only imagine.
Embrace the suck, morons.