America's Highways Need That Trillion Dollars Congress Already Spent
Q&A with Reason Foundation's Bob Poole
"The whole interstate highway system over the next two decades is going to reach and exceed 50 years life and need to be replaced," says Bob Poole, who's the director of transportation policy at the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason.com. "It's the crown jewel of our transportation system and it's going to start falling apart."
In his June testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee, Poole argued that Congress should begin implementing a long-term plan to fund and reconstruct the interstate system. The following month, lawmakers passed yet another stop-gap bill that extends transportation funding for a matter of months.
Ahead of that vote, Poole spoke with Reason magazine's Matt Welch, predicting just such an outcome: "In a few months it'll be a year of temporary extensions."
While Congress is fiddling with general fund revenue to plug immediate transportation financing holes, it is ignoring the massive and inescapable highway project. In a 2013 study, Poole conservatively estimated a price tag of $1 trillion to rebuild the interstate system.
"Other estimates are higher, but there is no program, no identified funding source, and no possible way the current, as structured Highway Trust Fund could begin to do that project," Poole said.
He notes that politicians have been raiding the trust fund and toll financing revenue streams for decades to pay for programs completely unrelated to highways. Beyond that, the feds have made it illegal for states to create new toll financing. They've also eroded the "user-pays" principle that ensures continued financing by charging people based on their road use (e.g., through a gas or mileage tax) and sequestering those funds, rather than relying on general fund revenue that is subject to budget cuts.
For more on how Congress is bankrupting our highways and Poole's roadmap out of the current quagmire, watch the interview above.
About 9 minutes.
Hosted by Matt Welch. Edited by Justin Monticello. Shot by Paul Detrick and Zach Weissmueller. Music by Kevin MacLeod.
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In a 2013 study, Poole conservatively estimated a price tag of $1 trillion to rebuild the interstate system.
This study looked at using private contractors for the work, I am sure.
As opposed to prison labor?
As opposed to what? A new federal labor force? Unionized federal highway workers? Residents of the Gulag Archipelago?
Bush wasted all of our infrastructure money on that foolish Iraq war. And Obama spends like a drunk sailor. He wants to tax and spend for everything.
Maybe when the roads start falling apart the voters will start telling the politicians "Health Care? get real! You turkeys can't even keep the roads open!"
I know. Dream on.
""The whole interstate highway system over the next two decades is going to reach and exceed 50 years life and need to be replaced,"
Can anyone from the government actually speak the truth, even on something as obvious a lie as this?
"The whole interstate highway system...""
Um'k. So the whole thing, over the next 20 years is going to reach 50 years of life? Hardly. There is so much new interstate highways that I have driven on in at least eight states so how is it that the WHOLE thing will be 50 years old after 20 more years go by?
Of course there are parts of it that will always need repairs, even major repairs, but repairs are going on all the time and will continue to do so up and to the 50 years old time frame.
What is there to "rebuild"? The roads are already in place and much of it just needs what it already gets...on going maintenance.
Paving, patching and signage are "on going maintenance". What Poole is talking about is replacing roadbed, bridges and overpasses. That's the stuff that a ~50 year life to it and Poole is just saying that a lot of it is going to be hitting that 50 year life all at once and its all very expensive to replace.
Thats just resurfacing which, due to the deteriorated state of the roadbase itself, doesn't last as long as it used to.
You can only continue to resurface so long before you have to just rip up the entire road down to the dirt and start from the beginning. That's where we are now.
I don't know about the whole system, but I know here in Texas, there's been a *lot* of work on the interstates, including the roadbed, bridges, etc., just in the last decade. Of course, in my experience, Texas tends to do road maintenance better than some places, so maybe we're an outlier.
In my experience, Texas does do a better job maintaining their highways.
Has Poole been to Ohio where I can drive by a giant pile of old interstate on my way out of town?
It's an ongoing process here, that NEVER ENDS ...
The one constant in Ohio is orange barrels.
"The whole interstate highway system over the next two decades is going to reach and exceed 50 years life and need to be replaced," says Bob Poole, who's the director of transportation policy at the Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason.com.
So now the Reason Foundation is "from the government."
WHOOPIE!
So now the Reason Foundation is "from the government."
How does this follow from anything in the article?
You can disagree with government owned roads, but still recognize the political reality that government owns the roads, collects taxes to pay for the roads and should probably be spending those taxes on the roads, rather than other things.
My lucid and pithy remarks were in response to mjs_28s @ 1:10 pm. Where mjs28s seems to think Citizen Poole is a gov't representative. Since the reply function on these threads is so lame and has no edit function I was understandably misunderstood. For the record I luvs the government roads and would gladly pay tolls, taxes or whatever it takes to keep them in shape.
"Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason.com. "
With the recent addition of ads that screw up my reading pleasure, and no discernable increase in the quality of articles, (see Ira's article earlier today) how can Reason still be non profit?
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Check his wardrobe.
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I am against toll funding for most roads, they already have gas tax and adding lots of toll roads will add to the administrative costs of collecting money. They are not going to get rid of the gas tax so why should we add to the costs with a separate toll system.
There is also the privacy problem, they want to use things like E-Zpass which then tracks where you have driven. And the system does not seem to work very well, they just put tolls on a couple of tunnels near me and they have had all sorts of problems with the system.
Stick with a gas tax, or shift to a total mileage system but with no location tracking
And spend the gas taxes on roads, not bike paths, LR commuter trains, electric car subsidies, electric car charging stations, bicycle free-stuff, etc, etc.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, etc
"total mileage system but with no location tracking"
Never heard of anything like this. All the milage systems I've read about include tracking as a possibility "although we naturally won't use that information without a warrant", and you can believe just as much of THAT as you like.
Somehow, the idea that they should take the milage off your odometer, and jail anyone who monkeys with theirs for fraud, is a non-starter.
Which shows you where the impulse to move from a gas tax really comes from.
For me, the answer is "Stop spending the gas tax on everything BUT the roads, get the bridges and roadbeds dealt with, and then we can take about any fancy ideas you may have."
And, BTW, the notion of self-driving cars? If the government has anything to do with controlling them, I define to get into one of the rolling death-traps. These idiots could screw up a picnic on a sunny day.
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Start making cash right now; siphon off tax money from boring old road projects and maintenance and spend it lavishly in horse paths and jogging trails?.built by your good friends in the construction and landscaping industries back home in your district! And you get to hold a ribbon-cutting ceremony! Don't worry, you'll be well out of office and retired to the Bahamas before anyone dies when those bridges collapse!
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If policy wonks think that making 9-minute videos is the way to get their message out on the internet these days, they have another think coming.
Write a brief, short, intelligible white paper. Otherwise known as an "article."
I have to say, I get a little weary of the amount of video on the web, on sites that used to stick to print. Unless you are showing pretty pictures, video is a hidiously slow way to transfer information.
"...video is a hidiously slow way to transfer information."
Just exactly what is your goddamn hurry?
There are several "pretty pictures" in this video.
1:32 3:21 5:07 5:30 5:40 6:37 8:23
Slow down and smell the roses!
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...CONGRESS didn't spend that money. At least, not THIS Congress.
DEMOCRATS spent that money.
And they spent it on crap & cronies.
Aren't republicans controlling the purse strings right now? Are you saying that when republicans held majority in both senate and house as well as a republican president spending was actually done right? What we have here is partisan idiocy, it's always the other sides fault no matter how egregiously your side spends.
Highway funds are essentially just SSI funds, a huge congressional slush fund used to pay for whatever congress wants to spend it on. SSI may be even worse because when IOU's come due that has to come from other taxes along with the interest those notes require since the IOU's aren't paid off unless there isn't enough coming from SSI taxes to cover outgoing benefits. On the other hand the highway funds may be worse because they require matching funds, so the few funds the states have to maintain roads with only get matching funds if they're spent on local bike trails, local hiking trails and grants to local bus systems. Worse, interstates near any large city have become local roads constantly requiring repair and expansion, so the vast majority of funds needed to maintain interstates goes to within a few miles of the biggest cities so those cities don't have to fund their own transporation needs.
Recently two of the main drags here in Sleepytown were resurfaced and restriped. The parking spaces and the two traffic lanes on each avenue were narrowed and, voila!, a new bike lane was created on each road without widening the slab. The hope is that there will never be another bicycle on the adjoining sidewalks again!
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No worry. They can just print up a few trillion more for all the things that last, completely and totally wasted, trillion should have been spent on.
Someone's gotta fix the potholes!
Here is my solution:
Learn from China. Use Build Operate Transfer.
Private firms build the highways, they collect tolls, and then after 20 years its transferred to the govenrment. (I would make explicit that the tolls go away then. China kept them of course.)
Private industry gets to invest private capital - no new taxes, except tolls which are the price of the roads. Private industry also has an incentive to build and finish quickly to maximize the toll collection time.
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Obama ran on a platform of fixing our roads and bridges. Remember those pick and shovel jobs he promised? I suppose Obama is waiting until he gets enough illegal aliens into the country to fill them.
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Four thoughts and a post script.
If government stopped tearing up the good road to put down new good road they might save some money.
If the government stopped trying to pave wider roads while they can't pay for the upkeep on the road they got they might save some money.
If the government quit building interchanges for every alleyway in every town a freeway goes through resulting in local congestion they might save some money.
If the government quit building all new routes when they can't pay the upkeep on the routes already laid down, they might save some money.
As a post script, whoever thought up the name freeway was a funny person.
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This video and blog are only partially correct in their assessment. Most of the problems with the funding are those funds absorbed over the decades long EIS process (by the EPA). It literally takes years of bureaucratic waste to even begin a project which are on average 10-20% of the cost. Additionally many FHWA funds are expelled on numerous state and highway projects. Additionally the life cycles of many of the interstate projects are usually in the 30 year pavement design criterion, not 50 as Mr. Poole suggest. User pays can be the solution, but is only viable/reasonable with the elimination of the federal gas tax. A third alternative is to use DOD funds as a stopgap. The interstate system exist for the primary purpose of moving troops and equipment from one side of the country to the other should the need arise. Instead of spending a trillion dollars on a F-35 system that may or may not work. How about cutting a check for the roadway infrastructure, which btw is one of only a few Constitutional authorized expenditures as dictated in article 1 section 8
Wasting money on re-building inefficient roads that lead to problems of urban sprawl and gridlock when we can avoid traffic congestion and not have to worry about the inevitable end of big oil by building quality public transit such as mass commute by rail is ridiculous. Trashy, smelly highways can never be a crown jewel and we were cheated when they tore out our electric railways.