Meet the People Getting Screwed Over By Jerry Brown's High Speed Rail
"It's like a field of dreams—if you build it they will come," says Mary Jane Fagundes, a Hanford, California resident in danger of losing her home to California's high speed rail. "But it's just a dream that's never going to become a reality."
Fagundes is one of many Central Valley property owners whose land will be affected by the construction of the high speed rail. Fagundes and her husband, Jerry, first learned that the rail was coming down their street from a cousin. Though the train will run 80 feet from their front door and cause severe vibration and noise damage, the California High Speed Rail Authority will not deal with the Fagundes family because the tracks do not technically touch their property line.
"We really can't do nothing until they build the train because they're not impacting us," says Jerry Fagundes. "But talking to a lawyer we do have to get involved right now with a letter stating our impacts." The Fagundes family will have to initiate an inverse condemnation suit against the state to recoup the losses from the damage that will be caused to their property due to the construction of the high speed rail.
Since the rail was first approved by California voters in 2008, the project has been met with scrutiny from those on both the left and right for being a waste of time and money. Construction for the 800 mile train which will eventually connect San Francisco to San Diego is already way over budget—the proposed $68 billion dollar plan is now expected to cost over $100 billion—and is almost a decade behind schedule. There's also the question of funds—the state only has just over $13 billion in state and federal bonds—in addition to money diverted from California's cap-and-trade taxes—to build the train and it is unclear where the rest of the money will come from to complete construction.
"Part of the problem is that [California's governor, Democrat] Jerry [Brown] is looking for something to say, 'I did this,'" says Joel Kotkin, an urban studies professor at Chapman University. "[But] the real issue is not getting from San Francisco to LA…you're really just essentially replacing Southwest with a much more expensive system that costs lots of public money."
Despite these significant hurdles, Jerry Brown and high speed rail are moving forward and are ramping up efforts to secure the land needed for the train through the use of eminent domain.
The Fresno Bee reports that over 200 properties in the Central Valley alone have been targeted for condemnation by the state Public Works board to make way for the train and the first round of eminent domain cases are expected in courts this fall. Property owners in the first and second segments of track that span from Madera, California to Bakersfield, California are beginning to receive appraisals for their land and their have been numerous complaints about the manner in which the appraisals are being done.
Alisa Gomez, a high school teacher in Corcoran, California, is one of the property owners that has experienced problems with the appraisal process. "We got a letter stating that they wanted to appraise our property and they told us to call them when we were ready to setup an appointment. About a week later there were appraisers walking up and down the road and caught my husband at lunch time wanted to do the appraisal right then and there."
Gomez and her husband rushed home from work to do a last minute appraisal. Gomez then states rail representatives started contacting her ex-husband to get in touch with her about the property. "I don't understand why they were contacting him," says Gomez. "It's a little bit of an invasion of privacy."
After multiple attempts to remedy the situation with the rail authority, Gomez then says she came home one day to find a FedEx package thrown over her fence which contained her appraisal offer. "So I open the appraisals up and there's multiple mistakes. My name is misspelled—spelled right here—misspelled in another area. When I look through it it's kind of sad. They take properties that were foreclosed, properties that were in town instead of in the country, looked at properties that were less bedrooms, less square footage, run down and it was just it was a smack in the face offer what they had appraised us at."
"I think the rail representatives in certain instances are definitely sort of applying pressure tactics to the land owners," says Ray Carlson, a property lawyer who is representing several clients in the Hanford area. "Some of these appraisals they didn't even know were being made, they just ended up on their doorstep one day."
Gomez and Fagundes have teamed up with the Citizens for California High Speed Rail Accountability, a citizen watchdog group who's mission is to bring accountability to the high speed rail construction process.
"I think they probably started here because this is somewhere that is very simple and maybe they thought we wouldn't fight," says Gomez. "But that's definitely not the case. There's some people that really care about their property and the people around them. They do the research and they're going to make sure that they [California High Speed Rail Authority] is held accountable."
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California - Uber Alles, California Uber Alles!
Needs moar umlaut.
Appreciation for cross-language puns is spotty at best.
Kill the Poor and Holiday in Cambodia wold also apply.
Dead Kennedys can't save Californians from themselves.
Well actually it's all of us in relation to proximity.
Moonbeam's already got a legacy: The $12Bn, failing, Bay Bridge. Now he wants several hundred Bn to produce a failure of a transit system.
He's getting up there; maybe we'll get lucky and he'll die.
Only the good die young. Brown has years to do more destructive that would take many decades to undo.
If we only had a train then finally we'll be more like Europe!
/progtard
Now if we could just get a sharply dressed dictator to come along with it and make sure it runs on time.
Living in the Bay Area, I can't tell you how many times I've had this discussion with people. They either point to Europe, or to China. For Europe, I point out rider/population density in comparison to California. It's something like a ratio of 100/1, which is why Europe works and California doesn't. For China, I point out that there is no such thing as compensation for Eminent Domain - if your 10 acre subsistence farm is in the way, the government simply confiscates it and you are forcibly moved. This is why China can build them wherever the f@#K they want.
These logical arguments usually fail, though, because "trainz are kewl!"
Hi speed rail doesn't even work in Europe or China. Out of the HUNDREDS of high speed rail systems, only two are turning a profit and one is breaking even. One turning a profit is the Paris to Lyon in France and the other two are in Japan. They can't even make money on them even when they have plenty of riders.
Good point, I'll add that to my repertoire.
I'd also suggest repeatedly posing questions about the profitability forecasts for Jerry's Boondoggle.
What rail lines is it comparable to, what's their historical profitability, and in plain language, if it's not forecast to be profitable, how much will local or state taxes have to rise to balance their budget?
Start with Amtrak, maybe?
I feel sorry for California and Californians. I was a resident from June 1978 to August 2005. Great climate (Silicon Valley); really crappy government.
Curtisls87|6.3.15 @ 4:33PM|#
"[...]For Europe, I point out rider/population density in comparison to California. It's something like a ratio of 100/1, which is why Europe works and California doesn't.[...]"
Except it doesn't "work" there, either. Check the use/pop density data. No one who can drive uses the damn train.
. James J. Hill showed one could build railroads through voluntary transactions and agreements with others long ago.
This was without gov't, and without violating the property rights of others and actually purchasing land from individuals.
Statists agree, we need gov't to do really complex things, because because only politicians can make socialism magically efficient, and violence magically moral only when folks in fancy clothes and costumes say it's ok.
James J. Hill built a railroad without government help and without joining in other railroad executives' price fixing schemes and slashing rates and helping the community. Naturally, he is remembered today as a robber baron.
Not entirely. He did receive land grants for building the railroad.
So you're saying it couldn't be done without them? The land was unimproved. So useless land "claimed" by the gov't was put in the hands of a productive individual who received no federal subsidies whatsoever.
Wouldn't it be nice if they divided every gov't building and parcel of land amongst individuals, to where they could sell all the buildings and land, collect money, and be free from the rule of the douchebags that used to reside there? Although, the money split between upwards of 300 million would be minute, the freedom would be priceless.
Hi Alexis,
First off, congratulations on moving on from bill oreilly. Is this gig a step up or down?
I'm curious if you concern about eminent domain extends to things like the keystone pipeline or if eminent domain should just be reserved for those things that benefit the *private* good?
american socialist|6.3.15 @ 4:20PM|#
"Hi Alexis,
[...]
I'm curious if you concern about eminent domain extends to things like the keystone pipeline or if eminent domain should just be reserved for those things that benefit the *private* good."
No you're not, asshole. If you were you might have read some of the articles and comments regarding opposition to the pipeline specifically because of ED.
Asshole, do you *ever* post without lying?
Yeah, I read that article. It was quite the departure from the others, which concerned themselves mostly with the combined ignorance and diabolical cleverness of the modern Leftist in her natural lair inside the bowels of Sauron's castle at the EPA. You think that article on keystone represents the views of the majority of right-wingers who write for Reason?
american socialist|6.3.15 @ 5:03PM|#
"[...]You think that article on keystone represents the views of the majority of right-wingers who write for Reason?"
I think you're a lefty imbecile who hasn't a clue as to what 'right wing' means, and damn little chance of ever learning.
Fuck off, asshole. Oh, and pay your mortgage.
"the majority of right-wingers who write for Reason"
You mean Harsanyi?
That is really the great debate. Are progressives evil or ignorant?
I tend to think it is an unholy alliance of the two.
If you pay taxes in CA, you're being screwed over by Moonbeam's Choo-choo.
Had the planners chosen better, they could have simply bought some F-35s and flew everyone for a 100 billion dollars.
Seems there are neither an end of nor any limits to the legislative idiocy that appears in California.
If you want an accountable process start with why are they building it in the first place.
More disastrous highways full of millions of more oil-fueled vehicles will leave California much worse off in a few years. Asthma and cancer rates are greatly escalating with the ever-increasing petrochemical pollution and we are now experiencing the complete collapse of the planet's ecosystems. To allow the world's worst and wealthiest criminals of industry to profit from killing off all life on Earth is utterly insane.
"Profit from killing off all life on earth"
Did all you proggie morons get your knowledge of economics from Captain Planet?
You know, I somehow loved Captain Planet when I was a kid and it didn't affect my judgement or common sense.
I'm totally convinced progressives are just children who never grew up.
XonEarth|6.3.15 @ 7:56PM|#
"More disastrous highways full of millions of more oil-fueled vehicles will leave California much worse off in a few years."
Bullshit.
"Asthma and cancer rates are greatly escalating with the ever-increasing petrochemical pollution and we are now experiencing the complete collapse of the planet's ecosystems."
Yes, people who live longer, as we all do now, tend to get cancer. The rest of that is bullshit.
"To allow the world's worst and wealthiest criminals of industry to profit from killing off all life on Earth is utterly insane."
So we should allow ignoramuses like YOU to do so?
fuck off, slaver.
High Speed Rail is a stupid idea. No study has been done on the history of rail lines and their success prior to development. There is no guarantee of a complete system. And it is designed to be transportation for the rich, who won't use it. All Democrats, Republicans and Independents should be vehemently opposed.
Who would have thought that we could have a worse governor than Arnold or Gray.
They call him Brown because he's full of it.
OT: rented a Desert Eagle at the range today. It was one of those things you do just to say you've done it.
Thing was ridiculous. It had both the weight and ergonomics of a brick. Also, it is apparently designed to nail you square in the forehead with the brass every single time. The recoil was actually not as bad as I was expecting, but still absurd.
I remember an Adam-12 episode where one of the calls was Malloy and Reed responding to a little old lady whose home got EDed for a highway. When the bulldozer came to knock down her house she pulled a shotgun and started shooting the bulldozer operator. Malloy and Reed talked her down.
Trying to find that episode on Netflix now.
Getting railed at high speed. That is so California.
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As someone who lives in the shithole that is the central valley, I'd like to talk about how the first stage is from MADERA to BAKERSFIELD. Two places that have somehow managed to be even shittier than Fresno. Why not Los Banos to San Francisco, a route that people actually commute via? It's almost like this horrible idea was never intended to succeed.
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