Murderer or Musician? Rapper Tiny Doo Reflects on Being Jailed for Rap Lyrics
Is violence in art a crime?
Hip-hop rapper Tiny Doo's real name is Brandon Duncan, and he ended up in jail for eight months awaiting trial on charges he conspired to commit a series of gang related shootings around San Diego, Calif. Prosecutors at the San Diego County District Attorney's Office didn't say he shot the gun or drove the getaway car in these shootings; Instead they said he profited from the shootings through his gangster rap album, "No Safety."
"There was no way in the world that these people were going to be able to to charge me with shootings based on what I rap about in my music," says Duncan.
The District Attorney's Office charged Duncan under 182.5 of the California Penal Code which states that anyone "who willfully promotes, furthers, assists, or benefits" from felonious criminal conduct by a gang is guilty of conspiracy to commit that felony.
"We're not just talking about a CD of anything, of love songs. We're talking about a CD
(cover) … there is a revolver with bullets," said Deputy District Attorney Anthony Campagna in court.
Duncan disputes that his album was dangerous and likens gangster rap to violent action films.
"It's not real life, it's just entertainment," says Duncan. "The more shooting you have in the movie […] the more people are compelled to really, really, want to tune in. The more shooting you talk about in your raps, the more people that like certain type of stuff like that is gonna want to go grab that album."
Duncan isn't the first rapper to have his art used against him. Professors Charis Kubrin of UC Irvine and Erik Nielsen of the University of Richmond detail the widespread use of rap music by prosecutors in criminal proceedings across the United States in their paper "Rap on Trial" in the journal Race and Justice. The paper alleges that prosecutors end up using rap lyrics and videos as evidence because they know the scary effect they will have on jurors, who generally don't understand the artistic conventions of rap music.
"It's art. It's like Basquiat. He was a painter and his was well at it. If I'm a rapper and I'm well at it, that's what I'm gonna do," says Duncan.
To understand more about the use of rap lyrics in criminal cases, watch Killer or Artist? Why Rap is on Trial.
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if "he's promoting the gangster thug lifestyle" left the prosecutor's mouth at some point...
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So I guess that big black SUV Ed Murray drives around in, and all those streetcars, buses and trains he wants everyone else to ride in just... run on unicorn farts?
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Tiny Doo? Dude needs to relax his sphincter.
I thought maybe he was Scrappy Doo's younger brother.
I figured he pinched raisins like a deer.
Reminds me of Eddie Murphy Raw, where he is talking about wanting to be Richard Pryor when he was a kid, but all he had ever done was take shit: 'You ever have them little pebble shits?'
Ok, if you know enough to name-drop Basquiat, you're as gangsta as boat shoes, khakis, and a navy blue blazer.
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I think he's claiming he's an artist, not a gangster, anyways... 🙂
What in blue blazers are you talkin' 'bout?
Black man drops some knowledge on you, you think he's frontin'?
With the exception of Eazy E, many of the originators of gangsta rap were frontin' studio gangstas.
Are you telling me that everything I know about Vanilla Ice is a lie?
Basquiat is well known because of his blackness. And his entire career was a result of his blackness and his fucking the right people. I have many a critique of post-modern contemporary art as is, but his art in particular is so vapid and devoid of depth that it irks me deeply. `
I never dug his art either.
I'd never hang his stuff on my wall but I can appreciate his work. Very much a product of his times. It probably does not hold up for a younger generation.
Are we past post-modernism yet?! Someone needs to tell that to architecture.
It seems to me the prosecutor himself is profiting from gang crime.
That CA statute should be unconstitutional, at least as applied here. It clearly chills free speech. Even -- no, especially -- gangsters and gangster "sympathizers" need the protection of the First Amendment.
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Basquiat also made $75 an hour on the lap too, if u know what I'm sayin'....
I don't. Pics are needed.
Anyone remember Murder By Numbers from The Police? It is almost along the same lines minus the 'gang' affiliation in the argument.
What matters more is people having the common sense not to have their actions be negatively driven by art.
"It's as easy to learn as your ABC"
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There's a difference between art imitating life. It just depends on ANY person in general.
The government needs to go after that guy named Martin Scorsese for those violent Casino and Goodfellow films. If we can't put an end to these films the next thing you know Italians will be running around killing and robbing people. Damn them anyway!
This is just shameful. That prosecutor is a class A un-american piece of shit.
Just wait till the apologists for Muslim terrorists get a hold. Speaking about Islam at all will be a criminal act subject to RICO.
If the prosecutor is right in his legal theory, it would mean that a movie studio that profits from a movie based on a true story would be liable as an accomplice for any felonies committed in that true story.
Movies like Serpico come to mind. Is there a statute of limitations on war crimes? The Great Escape could get studios in trouble. The possibilities are mind boggling.
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OK, so if it's "illegal to gain from gang activity", and writing a song about gang violence counts as "gain from gang activity", then don't the cops, prosecutors and judges also "gain from gang activity"? After all, they collect a paycheck which includes money paid to them for working on cases involving gang activity. If there were no gang activity, they wouldn't have been paid to work on those cases, bucause there wouldn't be any cases. Sounds like "gain from gang activity" to me. Also, any news media personnel that report on gang activity, should be immediately arrested. They "gain from gang activity" as well.
I love his music, but he does not support. Perhaps only he experiences, will have good music. Gee, contradictions.
"It's art. It's like Basquiat. He was a painter and his was well at it. If I'm a rapper and I'm well at it, that's what I'm gonna do," says Duncan.
The only thing he's guilty of murdering is the English language.