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Yeah, Bill Weld Is Totally Running for the Libertarian Presidential Nod in 2020: Podcast

The former governor cut government's size, scope, and spending in Massachusetts. Now he says he wants to shrink the federal government too.

"The huge standoff between the Republican and Democratic Parties, both of them being extreme right or extreme left,...make it more likely than it's ever been that a third party...will win the presidential election in 2020," says former Massachussetts governor (and former Republican) Bill Weld.

In a special podcast hosted by Matt Welch and me and taped last week at FreedomFest, the Libertarian Party's 2016 vice-presidential candidate waved off speculation that he's running for the party's presidential nomination. The election is too far away and too many unpredictable things could happen, he told us with a smile, even as he talked about all the party's candidates he's been helping out. Weld has already won over another lapsed Republican, Washington Post columnist George Will, who recently wrote that Weld incarnates "what a broad swath of Americans say they favor: limited government, fiscal responsibility, free trade, the rule of law, entitlement realism and other artifacts from the Republican wreckage." At the recent Libertarian convention in New Orleans, Weld impressed a good share of the party faithful too. His Twitter feed is filled with shout-outs and endorsements of Libertarian candidates such as Larry Sharpe and calls to "Stop the Duopoly."

In a wide-ranging conversation, Welch and I grill Weld about the ideological fissures within his party, whether he endorsed Hillary Clinton in the waning moments of the 2016 campaign, and how he would sell a message of principle in a nation that is getting more tribalistic by the minute.

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  • End Child Unemployment||

    Is LP bent on becoming Statist Lite?

  • Uncle Adolf's Gas and Grill||

    Same shit sandwich served with a slightly different choice of sides.

  • Agammamon||

    Whatever you have to do to win. Its what people tell mr is necessary to get the LP taken 'seriously'.

    Of course, once the Lp changes to being another version of the Dem/gGOP we habe to ask purselves, what was the point?

  • Just Say'n||

    "we have to ask ourselves, what was the point?"

    To troll actual libertarians? I think that's what the LP's objective is at this point

  • Rat on a train||

    They're tired of not getting invited to the cocktail parties.

  • ThomasD||

    Kinder gentler statism.

    Smiley faced statism

    Permissitarianism.

  • BYODB||

    Welp, looks like I'll be voting for Rand Paul in the primary and then not voting in the general election. Again.

  • SIV||

    Rand won't run if Trump wants a second term. Mittens might.

  • BYODB||

    Possibly, in which case fuck voting. Someone's going to try and primary Trump though, and it could well be Mittens. I hear that the 80's never actually got it's foreign policy back, after all.

  • SIV||

    I wouldn't rule out Rand appearing in the #2 spot on the GOP ballot in the general in 2020.

  • vek||

    That would be SWEET! I've often worried that if some leftists lunatic managed to assassinate Trump that we would be stuck with Pence :/

    If Rand got to jump into the drivers seat, I'd be pretty stoked on it actually. He doesn't really seem to have the oomph to become president on his own, and he might have trouble trying to corral people, but his policies would sure as hell be a lot more sane.

  • ThomasD||

    Don't discount a Weld Mittens ticket.

  • Longtobefree||

    Please vote in the general election. Maybe just not for the presidential electors.

  • BYODB||

    I live in Texas, there really is no point in doing so. Not that I hate Kenny Marchant or anything, but there isn't anyone that's going to be significantly different than him running in my district. It's going to be a 'conservative' Republican regardless.

  • Rat on a train||

    One year I was handed a ballot that I took directly to the ballot box. The election judge tried to direct me to a booth but accepted the ballot when I insisted I was done.

  • perlchpr||

    Did that have an effect on recordkeeping in some way?

    What I mean is, was there actually some sort of numerical record of your protest vote, or did it just get memory-holed, basically?

  • Rat on a train||

    It was only an off-year state/local primary vote. It didn't count as a write-in vote, but it did show up in a difference between total votes cast and votes cast for each race. Normally I write in NOTA if I don't like the options, but I was in a hurry.

  • perlchpr||

    Like, I'm wondering if this is actually an effective technique for indicating "none of the above", even if "none of the above" can't win.

  • Just Say'n||

    Thankfully all this Russiaphobia stuff will be a boon for the Weld campaign. I mean, who is going to be tougher on Putin- Elizabeth Warren, Trump, or the guy who has supported every American intervention overseas for the past twenty years?

    Libertarian Moment!

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Whether it ends up being Elizabeth Warren or someone else, the Democratic nominee will be the most anti-Russia candidate. Which provides libertarians with yet more incentive to vote Democrat. Of course, we should always vote Democrat anyway because of immigration and reproductive rights. But getting revenge — militarily, if necessary — for Russia's act of war against us in 2016 will also be on my mind when I cast my vote for Warren, or Gillibrand, or Harris, or Booker, or Cuomo.

  • Longtobefree||

    Wait a damn minute.
    The Russians helped us rid the world of the Nazis, right?
    Then turned into the USSR, and we whipped their ass in the cold war. (Thanks Ronny)
    Now they just want to be left in peace without having to worry about all of Europe rolling over their borders.
    And maybe control a bit of the middle east. Just the oily parts.
    And perhaps gain control of a warm water port or two.
    What is so wrong about that?

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Any history of Russia must account for the enormous change that occurred between 2012 and 2016. 2012 was the year Obama delivered his classic zinger against Romney. At that time, what Obama said was correct. By 2016, however, Russia — and Putin in particular — had become the greatest threat to peace and stability on the planet. And they effectively declared war on the US by hacking our election and installing a puppet regime.

    We absolutely cannot continue treating contemporary Russia like 2012 Russia. A paradigm shift has occurred, just like when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, or Al Qaeda attacked us on 9 / 11. No country should tolerate what Russia did. If the US has the world's largest military budget, what good is it if we don't respond to foreign aggression?

  • creech||

    When do you report for induction?

  • Rigelsen||

    You're making it too obvious, dude.

  • kc75081||

    wow all from a couple bots and Podesta's password screwup we should all pay

  • tlapp||

    Wrong, when do we stop the aggression? Why do we still have 40k troops in Germany over 30 years after the end of the cold war? Bring them home and let Germany and the Europeans defend the Russian front. Maybe then they will make a different decision than to make themselves dependent on Russian energy. Russia is no longer a superpower, that Russia collapsed decades ago.

  • Eddy||

    Is Stripper Guy seeking the nomination?

    PS - I loved Weld in Police Squad.

  • ||

    PS - I loved Weld in Police Squad.

    He was awesome in Mathnet. On a related note, WTH happened to children's educational television? That show was fantastic.

  • Agammamon||

    it went to shit once we started passing pit 'participation trophies' instead of culling the weak.

  • Mickey Rat||

    His supposed greatest asset is campaign experience and media savvy, yet he did not not think the media would spin his remarks on Hilary Clinton into a practical endorsement. It does not look good to faceplant on what you are supposed to bring to the table.

  • Citizen X||

    He should not have accepted that funny cigarette from Gary Johnson without asking what was in it.

  • Agammamon||

    'Hey Bill, I didn't know you liked to get wet.'

    'What?'

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I heard wet welding pays well.

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    Sherman Helmsley...

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Bill Weld has been "move'n on up" in the LP lately.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    "White people like Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X."

  • Eddy||

    I imagine the Libertarians will have to choose between a warmed-over hack like Weld, on the one hand, or an "idealist" (aka nutjob) on the other. Let's see who wins!

  • SIV||

    Run,nutjob, Run!

  • Eddy||

    Or maybe the student-body president type will run again.

  • BYODB||

    I'll vote for an idealist nut job of a libertarian bent over a guy like Weld any day of the week. Amusingly, those two things were on the same ticket under the Libertarian banner this past election. The lesson the party learned? Just run the hack.

  • Agammamon||

    The problem is that the idealist nutjobs in the LP tend to be a lot 'racist cosnpiracy theorist' and only a little 'idealist'

  • BYODB||

    Don't look at me, I couldn't tell you who's run under the Libertarian banner other than Gary and I can't say I really care that much either. They have the same odd's of winning anything important that a glass of ice water has in hell.

    Oh, and I don't see much difference in the 'racist conspiracy theorist' angle in the Democrat or Republican parties either so...not sure what you're shooting for there. Everyone's a little racist...sometiiiiimes.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Don't forget about "wanted murderer" John McAfee.

  • Eddy||

    He was simply a person of interest, IIRC.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    As far as the media and the Democrat and Republican parties are concerned there's no difference.

  • Echo Chamber||

    I will always remember him now as whale fucker.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    I wonder if the spawn will call him that, or daddy.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Wanted murderer = didn't pay his bribes to the Belizian police

  • ThomasD||

    Paying bribes in Belize would only render you an unwanted murdered.

  • perlchpr||

    In an LP primary between Weld and McAfee, I'd vote for Johnny boy.

  • RobertFl||

    If they run a 35 year old, nut job, who speaks only in bumper-sticker quotes, I will stop my support for the LP.
    Why support a party if they aren't going to take winning serious?
    If the best candidate is Libertarian Lite, if they have a chance of winning, is better than Naked Boy, or Boot-On-Head.
    I want the foot in the door so that others can see what's possible.

  • DrSayre2002@yahoo.com||

    This would be the worst thing to happen for the LP in 2020. I can see it being like 2016 all over. Bill Weld will make promise after promise that he is the only candidate that can poll over 15% to get into the debates, or get 5% of the popular vote. Then he will not do either.

  • Citizen X||

    It could be worse. It could be like 2008 all over again.

  • Just Say'n||

    Wayne Allyn Root has his own show on Newsmax that he films out of his dining room and it's as sad as it sounds.

  • Citizen X||

    That fucking guy. Can someone please inject him with a sedative?

  • Just Say'n||

    His show is styled "WAR". That makes me chuckle every time.

  • Citizen X||

    Huh! Good god, y'all! What is it good for?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    If Bill Weld does not get laughed out of the LP, I guess that I will be a Libertarian without a party.

    Bill Weld is not a Libertarian.

  • damikesc||

    Can anybody name a Libertarian belief he ever espoused before 2016?

  • Chipper Got Me Banned||

    "The Reason user loveconstitution1789 is a dumbass right-winger who constantly tries to pull a No True Scotsman fallacy on everyone, claiming they're not really libertarians when the fact is, when you get down to it, this jackass isn't a libertarian either."

  • sarcasmic||

    shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The Nanarchist tries to calm down the spammer.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    What the hell is a "Nanarchist"?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's short for Bananarchist.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Kinda like if Borat advocated for the abolition of the state?

    http://nyppagesix.files.wordpr.....=all&w=390

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    When are you gonna stop manspreading fake news? I did not get you banned.

  • TuIpa||

    Oh hey, you recovered, again, I apologize for spoiiling your coming out party.

  • Giant Realistic Flying Tiger||

    Fine. Now I'm gonna try to get Hihn to put every main character in Uncle Grandpa on his enemies list. After GRFT gets on there, I'll move on to Frankenstein. Happy?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    That is a worthy project. Respect.

  • Agammamon||

    All true, and beside the point.

    Weld is not a libertarian and his history shows that he's not even particularly friendly to individual liberty.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Maybe you got banned because you're a spammer.

  • Yellow Tony||

    TDS
    TDS
    TDS

  • tlapp||

    Can't vote for Weld. Sad. We don't need purity but can't have a blatant phony libertarian.

  • End Child Unemployment||

    Maybe if the libertarian party could learn to run only True Scotsmen, we could finally have Libertopia in the US. No roads for all, no schools for all, and every child gainfully employed!

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Libertarians who run on Libertarian positions would be a better start.

  • ||

    Because he's the candidate the Libertarian Party deserves right now, but not the one it needs. So they'll back him. Because he wants it. Because he's not our hero. He's a unprincipled hack, a self-serving opportunist. A dull knight.

  • Echo Chamber||

    ^So depressingly this

  • damikesc||

    And the establishment is so willing to fall in behind him.

    That Reason isn't openly mocking him is tragic.

  • Half-Virtue, Half-Vice||

    The libertarian moment is like 48 hour labor. That baby's still locked in there tight while you sufferer endlessly.

  • damikesc||

    Nobody is as Libertarian as George Will, bitches.

  • TGGeko||

    I'll vote for Nobody then.

  • TGGeko||

    I'll vote for Nobody then.

  • prolefeed||

    Apparently Bill Weld thinks that because his running mate got the LP about 1% of the vote, that he is therefor popular among the libertarians who attend the national conventions.

    So, either he is delusional and will get the bitchslap at the convention he so thoroughly deserves, or the LP has been taken over by Statists Lite TM.

  • Echo Chamber||

    Nice reality check. Hard to picture the conventioneers swallowing hard enough to give the LP banner to him

  • Longtobefree||

    Can't they get Trump to run?
    He's as libertarian as he is Republican - - - - -

  • sarcasmic||

    The purists would rather cut off their nose, blah blah blah

  • Agammamon||

    What is the point of a sucessful libertarian party if its not libertarian but just another version of the two parties we're trying to get away from.

  • sarcasmic||

    you said successful...

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Anarchists hate Libertarianism.

  • Procyon Rotor||

    Anarchists are the only libertarians.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Ugh.
    Just ugh.
    Please don't make me vote for him.

  • sarcasmic||

    I like you. And it's a Tuesday.

    reallysarcasmic@gmail.com

    yeah

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Thanks!

  • sarcasmic||

    don't thank me, email me. fuckhead

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    What is going on here? Am I seeing a hook up?

  • sarcasmic||

    Join in. I like you too

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I am frightened.

  • sarcasmic||

    You are not invited

  • sarcasmic||

    I stuck my neck out. Asshole

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I love that the thing that truly unites us here, is hatred of the Libertarian candidate.

  • sarcasmic||

    Big L, little l.

    not the same

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I know, that's why I specifically made sure the L there was capital. I'm united in the disdain, but I still like to laugh.

  • sarcasmic||

    I'm not a Party Man either.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Nanarchy doesnt have a party.

  • TuIpa||

    Chipper mmmmm I forget is! He just had his coming out party today!

    What a fun coincidence.

  • BYODB||

    Yeah, it's one thing to choose Gary Johnson again while expecting different results but a totally different animal to go with a guy like Weld. I doubt you'll find many libertarians who don't instantly reject the guy no matter how many new leaves the guys says he's turned over.

    It's never good when libertarians unite over something. It means someone, somewhere, fucked up much worse than anyone expected.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I wonder what the internal opinion of him is. I'm getting a little sick of Mises becoming a joke with a lot of these people too.

  • Echo Chamber||

    He was supposed to be a master fundraiser. Didn't seem that way.
    Anyone but Weld next time

  • ||

    I love that the thing that truly unites us here, is hatred of the Libertarian candidate.

    I love that practically from the time Gary Johnson picked him as a running mate the commentariate here was telling Gillespie/Welch that this was effectively where they and the party were headed. That the whole civil libertarian appealing to the left thing is how you end up with possibly the shittiest centrist you can possibly find. And yet they championed him and here we are.

  • BYODB||

    Heh, yeah. Appealing to the left is a good way to make sure your party dies a horrible death. How do people think the Democrats ended up where they are today?

    That said, it's the Libertarian party so it's probably wise not to take it too seriously. After all, it's not like they have a chance.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    So where should libertarians focus their appeals? To the right? They've made it abundantly clear that they neither need nor want libertarians in their coalition anymore.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Libertarians are centrist and lean conservative.

    Libertarians have nothing in common with lefty Socialists.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm not sure there is any likely coalition with either party. I don't know who we are most likely to siphon new members from. My guess is there's oil in both fields that are not the strict adherents to either party that we most often hear from.

  • Rigelsen||

    You could appeal to liberty and smaller government and make a case for the masses how the two could make their lives better. This really needn't be so hard if you could find someone who was neither autistic, NTTAWWT, nor really believed in the stuff, like GJ/BW.

    It's not about joining anyone's coalition, except on issues you care about. It's about making appeals to people so they join your coalition.

  • Qsl||

    Beyond the solid 1% from the party faithful, the majority of interest in libertarians are refugees from the other parties; whether it is republicans looking at a rehash of the 70s with a trade war, democrats dismayed at the antics of the progressive wing, or even greens who want a sensible fiscal policy.

    That is your coalition. As such it is wise not to grate on their other sensibilities too much, especially with promises that have no chance in hell at being realized in the current political climate.

    And in that respect libertarians end up being their own worst enemies, focusing on minutiae in light of the broader picture.

    Is Weld the ideal libertarian candidate? No, but more perfect libertarian candidates have accomplished squat, and I'd rather have 20% of something than all of nothing.

    And not be seen as endorsing Weld. I invite all other candidates a chance to earn my vote, including Weld.

  • tlapp||

    Johnson made a mistake choosing him. Then after a good start he appeared to lose interest in the campaign. A huge opportunity wasted in the last election.

  • Agammamon||

    Maybe that's his plan? Like when the 1st Sgt or equivalent comes round and starts giving people shit for uniform violations in the middle of an op. Sure, everyone hates him - but they haye him *together*.

  • Nardz||

    He should use that as a slogan. Something like, "better together"
    Hmm, no that doesn't sound so good. Maybe "striving together"?
    Meh, that one sucks.
    .
    .
    .
    I've got it!
    "Stronger together" - it's perfect!

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    "Let's all be there!"

  • AlmightyJB||

    There's no such thing as a Libertarian candidate. / every libertarian.

  • Tony||

    I could have sworn he accidentally wandered onto the ticket last time and simply couldn't find a way off.

    Bonus comment: is anyone running in 2020 not going to be pushing 80?

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Well if we're lucky, Rand Paul will jump ship from Team R and run as a Libertarian.

  • Tony||

    And lucky for him there's already pumpkins in the White House garden.

  • Agammamon||

    I don't get it.

    Is this a Charlie Brown reference? Because the only way Linus gets to wait for the Great Pumkin to not show up in the WH pumpkin patch is if he's already met the GP - as in got elected President.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    There are plenty of exciting, relatively young possible Democratic candidates, as you must be aware.

  • Tony||

    I'm rooting for Potted Plant (D), as you might be aware.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Gillibrand, Harris, and Booker are all young by presidential standards.

    Of course if it ends up being an older nominee like Warren or Biden I'll vote for them.

  • Joey JoJo Jr. Shabadoo||

    If The DNC nominated Hotler's charred, rotten corpse, you would vote for it as many times as you could.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    I only vote once per election. Besides, I'm not even sure who this Hotler character is.

  • MarkLastname||

    Hotler: Hitler, but even hotter!

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Is also taller and rides a flaming motorcycle.

  • sarcasmic||

    When Tony is the most thoughtful on here...

  • sarcasmic||

    one

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Sarcasmic hates Libertarianism anywho.

  • Griffin3||

    OT: CHICAGO MAY BECOME LARGEST CITY IN U.S. TO TRY UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME - The Intercept

    The only good thing about this article is that about 90% of the comments are asking where the fsck the money is going to come from.

  • AlmightyJB||

    If only there were a market for crazy.

  • Sevo||

    "OT: CHICAGO MAY BECOME LARGEST CITY IN U.S. TO TRY UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME - The Intercept"

    Great! All the bums in SF now have a reason to move.

  • Longtobefree||

    Federal grant: they still think whats-her-name won.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Griffin, I think Rahm Emmanuel hired the Underpants Gnomes as fiscal consultants for this project.

  • AlmightyJB||

    So he can stump for the DNC candidate again. Fuck Weld.

  • LarryA||

    Imagine, just for a moment, that "the moment" arrives.

    A solid Libertarian candidate.

    Trump is Trump.

    Democrats run Hillary/Bernie.

    And the Lib wins.

    What would the Democrats do then?

    Popcorn anyone?.

  • AlmightyJB||

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Popcorn anyone?

    Here you go.

  • gphx||

    Weld and Will could run together and wear matching rainbow ties...

  • Echo Chamber||

    Maybe the constitution party would take them

  • Jim Logajan||

    I'd support libertarian celebrities Christina Ricci, Kane, or Drew Carey on the LP presidential ticket rather than Weld.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Actually, Drew Carey would be kinda awesome.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    He's too successful to run for office.

  • JeremyR||

    Honestly, I think that's the only chance the LP ever has of truly getting noticed. However, those are basically C-list celebs.

    Unless Kanye comes out as a libertarian, I don't think there's much chance

  • Cynical Asshole||

    A Kurt Russell/ Vince Vaughn ticket would be epic.

  • perlchpr||

    Would vote for.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Kurt Russel is America's most beloved public figure.

  • Eddy||

    The LP "pragmatists" are like someone without social skills but with a vague idea that they have to do something which appeals to normal people.

    Their idea of normal is hence a bit off.

    If a candidate used to be in a major party, wasn't investigated in connection with a neighbor's death, and doesn't preach legalization of machine guns for crack addicts, then that's what counts for pragmatism in those circles.

    But it takes a bit more than that to be pragmatic.

    It takes someone who doesn't go off endorsing the candidates of other parties, or preaching against the Bill of Rights, for example.

    Weld only looks pragmatic because of his competition within the LP. He's not pragmatic from the standpoint of attracting normies to some kind of limits on government.

  • Eddy||

    I mean, think of what they're saying - "you want us to be pragmatic, so we found a guy who keeps his clothes on and doesn't check under the bed for Illuminati - gee, what more do you people want?"

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I can't help that his strange Republican baggage (And if it was Democrat I would wonder the same) might actually be more baggage than he is implying that it is.

  • Yellow Tony||

    Normies?
    I see this bastardization of "normalfag" has been stretched to the limit.
    And yes, I will be that guy.

  • Eddy||

    I wasn't aware of that prior usage, time-travelling Tony.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Yellow Tony is the dimension hopping one.

  • Colossal Douchebag||

    Bill who?

  • eFrankB3||

    Have you seen Bill Weld's interview when asked about guns? He's an idiot, and sure as heck not Libertarian. Look for "This Week In Gun Rights: 10 Dumbest Anti-Gun Quotes" on youtube. He starts at 1:23.

  • Jerryskids||

    Maybe the LP can get John Kasich to run, he's a centrist. He's delusional, too, he hung in there as long as he did in the primaries because he seriously believed the reason McCain and Romney lost is because they weren't moderate enough. And who knows? With the Dems going full-blown socialist and the GOP doing the cult of personality thing, maybe there's room for a MOR party. Suggested slogans: "We're just like everybody else, only not quite so much." "I don't know, what do you guys want to do?" "We're probably not any worse than the other guys." "Gimme an A! Gimme a P! Gimme an A! Gimme a T! Gimme an H! Gimme a....ah, fuck it."

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Democrats will never nominate Bernie Sanders. He hit peak popularity in 2016 and only got 11 million votes. They will go centrist like in 1992 and 2008 (remember the only two recent presidents who CUT the deficit?)

  • Agammamon||

    nope.

    not once you factor in spending for 'contigency operations', neither Clinton nor Obama reduced anything.

    Also, its not Presidents who manage the budget.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Bullshit.

    Bill Clinton shaped and championed the Omnibus of 1993 and Obama did the same for the Budget Control Act of 2011 (the largest spending cuts in history). In fact the latter was done by Boehner and Obama alone and pissed off the extremist retards in both parties.

    I know my facts and conservative bullshit does not stop me up.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Spending was reduced more than the increase in the debt limit. No tax increases or other forms of increases in revenue above current law were included in the bill.[5]
    The bill directly specified $917 billion of cuts over 10 years in exchange for the initial debt limit increase of $900 billion.[5] This is the first installment ("tranche") of cuts. $21 billion of this will be applied in the FY2012 budget.[4]

    Budget Control Act of 2011

  • Sevo||

    "...Obama did the same [ -shaped and championed-] for the Budget Control Act of 2011 (the largest spending cuts in history). "

    Lying sack of shit lies once again.
    Obama didn't 'shape' or 'champion' anything like it; it was forced on to his desk by sequestration (when that lying sack of shit paid park rangers to keep parks closed); he had no choice.
    God, you are one pathetic slime bag.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    It occurred to me that PB might be a pun,if school history teacher. (Shudders)

  • Longtobefree||

    "Obama did the same for the Budget Control Act of 2011 (the largest spending cuts in history)"
    Federal spending went down in 2012 (only), and in 2013 was over the 2011 amount, and increased each year thereafter.
    He also said "if you like your Doctor, you can keep him, period".

  • TuIpa||

    Stop pointing out how both PB and Obama lie.

  • MarkLastname||

    You're delusional. All their leading horses support socialized medicine and most support guaranteed jobs and UBI. The Democrats are basically Fabian socialists st this point. Obama would be too far right for them today.

  • Echo Chamber||

    I gave Kasich cred for his role in balancing the budget back in the day, but now he's too whiney.
    His bit about being the daddy of the electorate churns my stomach.

    But pair him with the CO gov and I might still hold my nose I vote for that ticket.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Weld incarnates "what a broad swath of Americans say they favor: limited government, fiscal responsibility, free trade, the rule of law, entitlement realism

    This is actually a pretty good checklist --

    limited government, (Trump and the like Dem candidate = FAIL)

    fiscal responsibility, (Trump and the like Dem candidate = FAIL)

    free trade, (Trump FAIL)

    the rule of law, (Trump and the like Dem candidate = FAIL)

    entitlement realism (Trump and the like Dem candidate = FAIL)

    Weld looks good if that is the criteria.

  • MarkLastname||

    It's almost like it's easy for one to make vague commitments to universally revered platitudes.

  • PaulTheBeav||

    I don't know what Weld thinks he's doing. 2 years ago every Libertarian in the country was driving around with his name on a bumper sticker and he went and endorsed Hillary fucking Clinton. My wife and I had previously concluded that the Libertarian ticket would have been much more viable if Gary and Bill switched places, but after he endorsed Hillary I would never vote for Bill Weld. Ironically I might even be more likely to vote for Hillary than Bill Weld.

  • Echo Chamber||

    Weld's way past the best when used by date. The 70's called and want their governor back. Gag me with a spoon that guy is so dated

  • chipper me timbers||

    "The huge standoff between the Republican and Democratic Parties, both of them being extreme right or extreme left,"

    you lost me after this utterly incorrect assessment of the differences between the parties. They are nearly identical on almost all things.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    They are nearly identical when it comes to spending, that is for sure.

    The main difference is just the culture war crap.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    It really is up to us. There isn't going to be a superhero rockstar savior. We've got to be the ones running for city council, etc., to create success from the ground up. Seems to me a lot of local elections are, if they are even contested in the first place, are won by just a few thousand votes, and largely based on name recognition anyway, not ideology or even a platform. I see signs in my area for the upcoming primary election where I can't even tell what party the candidate is running in. Just pictures of smiling candidates surrounded by flags & stuff. We need more of this type of thing. Run for some local office, call yourself a Libertarian - or not, whatevs - and just market the hell out of yourself as a nice person who likes puppies and wants great things for your town. Don't go up against some local political boss, find some out of the way office - like "City Auditor" or something (lol how hard could that job be) - wait for a retirement, to minimize the incumbency effect, and then go for it. Naturally I haven't taken any of my own advice, but I don't know if we can really afford not to anymore (myself included). Probably the first step is to volunteer for a city commission or planning board or something where the city governments wants (or claims to want) public input, and just pay attention and take notes and observe what the dynamics are like.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The low hanging fruit needs to be picked first.

    Legalize drugs and prostitution first. Stay out of nation-building wars like Iraq and soon Iran. Reform CJ.

    Cut spending and entitlements next.

  • Rick B.||

    ^This motherfucker actually thinks that people care what he thinks, after being a lying piece of shit for over a decade.

    We know you never paid your bet. You still lie about it. You never post any proof when asked and always change the subject.

    You're a liar and an idiot. Internalize that. Then try posting like you understand what it means.

  • Yellow Tony||

    Who do you even bother replying to him? I just scroll pass his comments because I'm too lazy to filter his inane comments. (Stallman says "Hi!") Surely your time is better spent replying to better posts.

  • Sevo||

    Nope, his bullshit claims regarding Bubba and Obo can't stand without a bullshit call. Someone reading here might take that lying pile of shit seriously; see 9:51, above.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Frankly I'm willing to listen to anyone who has something intelligent to say, regardless of label.

    If Obama tomorrow were to say "we need to reform Social Security" or if Trump tomorrow were to say "we need to legalize pot" then I would praise both of them for at least getting the conversation going in the right direction.

  • Modus Pwnens||

    You're willing to listen to anyone who parrots your opinions? How big of you.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    No, I'm willing to listen to anyone. That includes you, or anyone else, who offers something intelligent to say.

  • MarkLastname||

    I notice you leave cutting spending and entitlements for last because, let's face it, you're hoping those two never happen.

  • Rick B.||

    "It really is up to us"

    What us? You're no libertarian.

  • Yellow Tony||

    no u

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    If that's what you believe, then please. Show us the way. Demonstrate for us all how it's done.

  • Yellow Tony||

    Not enough prestige, bro.

  • Modus Pwnens||

    Waste of time. Once you get into a position of actual influence or power, you're going to get squashed. It's true that many local elections are not contested, but those that are contested can get extremely nasty. If you stick to your principles you're going to get eaten alive, and if you don't, you become part of the problem.

    There is not a solution available by working within the system. The political system as it exists selects for exactly those characteristics that we claim not to want in our leaders. With rare exceptions (eg Trump and Rand Paul) those who make it to the highest levels have been carrying water and running interference for their political superiors for decades. Nobody is going to put up with that except the most dishonest, ruthless, and power-hungry.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    If all you're going to do is whine and complain about how everything sucks, then quite frankly you're part of the problem. With an attitude like yours, nothing will ever change.

  • Yellow Tony||

    OT Shilling: Koenjihaykkei is releasing a new album. To those who like music that pulses like a veiny dick that's about to erupt, then check it out.
    Also our duopoly is only bad because both choices are fucking crap. The Libertarian party doesn't have my vote of confidence, so having three choices that are no better than a prolapsed anus isn't appealing. (Sexually, however, a prolapsed anus has its charms.)
    VOTE MCAFEE
    FUCK WELD

  • Eddy||

    And you say it's only a shilling?

  • Modus Pwnens||

    The original post was shilling, so it's not really off topic.

  • Modus Pwnens||

    SJW Vichy Reason praising Bill Weld and ripping Rand Paul on the same day. All you need to know.

    He who pays the piper calls the tune.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    This, indeed. Although the world class con artists Gillespie and Welchie Boy were already happily beginning to steer things in this direction even before Jeff Bezos and George Soros became Reason's sole piper payers.

  • Bass2mouth||

    Totally betrayed us last time with the clinton thing.

  • Duke of url||

    Stossel 2020!!
    (I'm not saying he should go back to ABC)

  • vek||

    YES!

    I would vote for him in a heartbeat over almost anybody else even loosely involved in political matters.

    His campaign slogan needs to somehow involve referencing his mustache... Maybe "The 'Stache Will Legalize Your Stash" or something, since he would obviously be pro federal decriminalization.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    I'm in

  • Olga||

    While I am not a libertarian, I do support there being more than two political parties. The Republican party has an uncomfortable mix of libertarians, religious zealots and the old Country Club crowd. Clearly these three groups have little in common. There similarly could be 3 different parties drawn from the Democratic party as well.

    However, running for President is not where to put the effort. Even if he were to become President there is no one in Congress that identifies as a libertarian party member. They are Republicans with "libertarian leanings" but often side with the religious zelots, so I am going to assume they are only libertarian on financial issues. Spend the money and effort building up a grass roots movement and get more libertarians on the school board, in the state legislature, in the house and the Senate, then you can have more that a "statement" of a political race.

  • MikeP2||

    "The Republican party has an uncomfortable mix of libertarians, religious zealots and the old Country Club crowd"

    The "religious zealots" are about as impactful to the Repub platform as the militant vegans are to the Dem platform.

    Someone's been listening to too much propaganda, as the religious right hasn't had much influence since the early 80s.

    "They are Republicans with "libertarian leanings" but often side with the religious zelots" Another bizarre statement. Republicans/libertarians don't side with the religious social conservatives beyond the simple acknowledgement that anyone with libertarian leanings is so far removed from the current DNC platform that they have no choice except to 'side' with the GOP platform or go third party. DNC doesn't welcome non-statists.

  • Curt2004||

    If not the religious right, who else is keeping anti-abortion front and center in the GOP?

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    Exactly

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    I'm largely against abortion and am agnostic. Although I largely view it as an individual rights of the baby issue. While lost people appear to believe that no one has individual rights until they pass through the Magic birth canal.

  • vek||

    Honestly, some tool like Weld would have been fine to have been elected president in the 1990s or even the 2000s. If you go purely by the "checklist" model of if you agree with somebody on XYZ positions, he's generally better than most sitting politicians.

    But frankly I think he's just far too weak to be running the USA now... And obviously isn't properly libertarian enough to be carrying the libertarian banner.

    Keep in mind I'm not a purist, AND I don't think purity tests are the way to win. I think that like a lot of so called libertarians he throws the wrong principles under the bus when he thinks it is convenient, and then pushes other principles in their most extreme forms when they're horrible policy proposals IRL. Saaay like compromising on general scope of government stuff, while pushing for open borders as two examples.

    Whatever the case it'll just be a protest vote situation as per usual. I will probably actually vote for Trump next time around just to flip the bird to the establishment on both sides. I've ALWAYS voted Libertarian for president since turning 18, but I can surely break that record just once for kicks, right?

  • Walter Bean||

    How drunk was Nick during that interview?

  • TGGeko||

    Oh Bill Weld felt so sorry for the warmonger, he just had to come to her defense!

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Weld the Geld.

    There aren't enough erectile dysfunction treatment drugs on the entire planet in order to make Bill Geld a potent force.

  • MikeP2||

    Weld = Hihn ?

  • ace_m82||

    Why?

  • Tell It Right||

    Suggestion to libertarians, don't nominate someone who's for a carbon tax. It's the #1 reason I didn't vote for Gary Johnson in the general election. I mean, really? Is the Libertarian Party proud that Trump's the only one on the ballot against a carbon tax?

  • Rockabilly||

    Far out man. End the war on drugs. I'd like a reliable source for LSD and MDMA.

  • Unemployed Armenian Tranny||

    I expressly told the LP they will get $0 from me, if Bill Weld is the nominee. For that matter, the LP wont even get my vote, if he is.

  • Unemployed Armenian Tranny||

    In case I'm not clear. FUCK BILL WELD!

  • macsnafu||

    If you have to vote for a Weld, why not Tuesday Weld instead?

  • Freddie||

    I'm a nearly 30 year card-carrying LP member. The real world is analog not digital, If you limit yourself to "all or nothing", guess what you end up with? We Libertarians are smart people, smart enough to exercise JUDGMENT. Do we back an eight tenths libertarian who is a (relatively) big name and can get us attention and advance the cause? Maybe. We need to be open to this.

  • vek||

    We would be better of recruiting a famous libertarian leaning actor to run a protest campaign than a squishy L like Weld. He's not going to win in any event. Even if one of the major party candidates died at the last minute from a heart attack, the other major party candidate, or the VP candidate under the person that died would STILL win.

    So if we just want to go for pure exposure, might as well pick somebody more interesting, and more libertarian in the right areas.

  • BunkerBill||

    Why doesn't the "Libertarian" Party just nominate Mitt Romney in 2020 and be done with it?

  • nychotpilot||

    Weld is awesome! I wish he really does run and more importantly win!

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