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5 Times Child Protective Services Separated Kids from Parents for No Good Reason

"The number of children separated from their parents at the border since April is almost equal to the number taken by CPS every three days."

CPSHeiko Barth / DreamstimeEven if President Trump's new order keeps immigrant families at the border from being torn asunder, we will still live in a country where the government can seize children from perfectly loving, competent parents. It happens all the time, and not just to immigrant families—American citizens deal with these injustices as well, thanks to the actions of child protective services.

In a single year, 2016, the number of children placed in foster care was 273,539. As the National Coalition for Child Protection put it, "the number of children separated from their parents at the border since April is almost equal to the number taken by U.S. child protective services (CPS) every three days."

In many of those cases, CPS intervention is justified in order to protect children, or provide them care they aren't getting at home. But not always.

Take the case of "Cassie." Cassie was mom to Hannah, a one-year-old, and Maya, an 8-year-old. When Cassie noticed Hannah not putting weight on her left leg, she called her pediatrician, who said to give the girl Tylenol and bring her in the next day.

Too anxious to wait, Cassie took the girl to the emergency room at Central DuPage Hospital in suburban Chicago, where an X-Ray revealed a fractured tibia and fibula. The Family Defense Center, which took the case, reports:

Because Cassie couldn't say for sure how Hannah got the fracture, the hospital staff called the DCFS. Only later did the family learn from two pediatric orthopedics and medical literature that the sort of injury Hannah had is considered to have "low" suspicion for abuse and it is hardly uncommon for parents to witness the incident that caused the fracture(s) to occur.

Unfortunately the x-ray findings, which naturally concerned the parents, marked just the beginning of the family's nightmare. Without even interviewing [Cassie's husband] Nate, or talking to the hospital's own child abuse pediatrician, and without Hannah being seen by a single orthopedist (for whom injuries like Hannah's are fairly routine), DCFS decided to take both children into State protective custody.

They did this by going to the family's home, waking Maya, and taking her and her sister to the home of a relative who would serve as foster parent. It was the first time either child had slept away from their parents:

The next day — still without talking to the hospital's child abuse pediatrician, the family pediatrician, other the family members or friends, or Maya's teachers — DCFS filed a petition to take custody of both children.

After a three-month legal battle, the parents regained custody of their kids, and the state admitted it had had no case. That alone seems to indicate how easily even a simple visit to the doctor can turn into a child removal case—as it did for the Minnesota mom with the coughing child I wrote about last week. When she took the child home before she was officially dismissed by the doctor, it was considered "neglect."

Parents are also being thrown in jail—the ultimate in tearing families apart—on the sketchiest medical charges. Watch The Syndrome, a devastating documentary on Shaken Baby Syndrome, to see how hundreds of moms and dad ended up in prison thanks to the "indisputable" evidence that they shook their babies—a conclusion that relied upon junk science.

And then there are the cases of "neglect" that are utterly baffling.

A Florida couple I interviewed a few years back had their sons taken away after someone called CPS to report that their son, 11, was playing basketball by himself in the backyard. Normally one of the parents would have been home, but both had been delayed that day. Also, normally one doesn't think of playing in the backyard for 90 minutes as something akin to torture.

But the cops swung by, anyway. They found the boy was technically without food, shelter, water, or a bathroom—because he didn't have a key to the house—and child protective services packed him and his younger brother, age 4, off to foster care.

It wasn't until a month later, in court, when the 11-year-old begged the judge to let him and his brother go back to their parents that the court returned the boys home. This story was so hard to fathom that some readers thought I made it up, until I provided Reason editors with the court papers to review.

Worst of all are the cases where a mom who has been beaten by her partner has her child taken away because the kid was exposed to violence. That practice was rampant in New York City until the federal court put a stop to it in the landmark case of Nicholson v. Scoppetta.

But even that didn't stop states like Illinois from taking Rochelle Vermeulen's twins away. Rochelle was beaten and choked by the twins' dad, and so she fled with the kids. But when the dad's relative called the child protection authorities, Rochelle was told her kids must either stay with a relative of the abuser or go to foster care, even though Rochelle offered to go to a domestic violence shelter with them. For seven weeks, Rochelle was not allowed to see her twins except in supervised visits. Dad, on the other hand, was allowed unlimited contact.

Family defenders like Diane Redleaf, whose book, They Took the Kids Last Night: How Child Protective Services Puts Families At Risk, comes out in October, say that children are routinely taken from their parents, even when there's no evidence of abuse. In one of the stories in Redleaf's book, for example, a toddler who fell out of his crib was taken from his parents even though the CPS investigator reported he was healthy and happy at home.

And what about the dad in Michigan whose 7-year-old was taken away when he accidentally bought the boy a Mike's Hard Cider at a Detroit Tigers game?

Research by Professors Vivek Sankaran and Christopher Church has shown that even children quickly returned to parents can suffer long-term harm from the separation. As the border separations continue to grip our attention, we should also reconsider policies that allow child protective services to take children from their parents without compelling evidence of neglect or abuse.

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  • Cathy L||

    This post doesn't exist.

  • SQRLSY One||

    This one is, too, because I am secretly a space alien, and NO ONE is allowed to know THAT!

  • Rat on a train||

    I am just a figment of your imagination, or BUCS sock puppet. I forget.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Interesting that Reason never reported on CPS taking children away from their parents during the Obama administration.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    This is almost literally Lenore's entire beat.

  • Hugh Akston||

    What, badmouthing Trump? I know that's Reason's beat. It's also Reason's beat, Reason's beat, and Reason's beat. Every Reason who writes for Reason seems to be on the anti-Trump beat.

    Except for Stossel. I fucking love that guy.

  • No, You're a Towel||

    You could have just Googled that for 2 seconds, and proved yourself wrong. Instead of that, you brought your reflexive whataboutism. Well done.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Ironically, the most enthusiastic kidnappers among child "protective services" tend to be women wearing flowered dresses who spout liberal drivel on cue, all of whom are convinced that they and the state know far better than any child's parents what is best for the children.

    Conservatives as a rule tend to know better.

  • sarcasmic||

    I'm currently fighting my cunt of an ex over custody of our daughter. She has levied baseless allegations against me, and from what my lawyer said the truth doesn't matter. The law doesn't even matter. What matters is the opinions of certain people with certain letters after their names.

    In the end the only people who win are the lawyers.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm always so disappointed that MRA became just associated with a certain brand of anti-feminism. I remember when it first came out, it was based around helping people exactly like you.

  • Citizen X||

    Longtorso has a lot to answer for.

  • Hugh Akston||

    You mean Suki?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Such as explaining to his mom what happened to all the pillows.

  • sarcasmic||

    It hasn't gone to court yet. I'm trying to convince her to dismiss the case. If it does go to court I'll spend every penny in the bank and sell everything I own to keep my daughter from being raised by that bitch. She isn't a good mother. I know it's blasphemy to say a woman isn't a good mother, but she simply doesn't have a nurturing bone in her body. Getting married and moving into a big house doesn't change that. If it does go to court my attorney will find skeletons she didn't even know were in her closet. It will get beyond ugly.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    She isn't a good mother. I know it's blasphemy to say a woman isn't a good mother,

    It's a silly thing of our culture that motherhood is viewed as so sacred. There are many, many bad mothers and that's just simple fact.

  • Just Say'n||

    Sarc, I remember you telling us about this a while back on the Reasonoids message board. I hope things get better, man. God bless

  • sarcasmic||

    I'm banned from Reasonoids. Fucking cliques. Piss in their Wheaties.

    Gotta make dinner.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    What is Reasonoids? The glibs?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    I thought this was the Reasonoids message board Ceti Alpha 5?

  • Robert||

    Don't get me started on the Glibs. I never found out what about me set them off, but apparently my trying to get feedback made it worse.

  • ||

    You're not banned. You made an asshole of yourself and threw a tantrum and chose to leave. You're welcome back anytime you wish, and you've been told as much.

    -- Reasonoids admin

    You know who else blamed everyone else for his problems?

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    A long time ago a friend was in a similar circumstance. The ex-wife demanded he get drug tested. So they both were drug tested, She failed, he passed. We had a good laugh at that. Never could figure out how he didn't fail.

  • Nardz||

    Good luck Sarcasmic.

    (Was going to write good luck sarc, but thought it might lead to misinterpretation)

  • SQRLSY One||

    Condolences to you, Sarcasmic. Yes it is sad how credentialism has run amuck. People with certain degrees can look at you and talk to you for 5 minutes and then have God-like knowledge of your character and what is in your head, according to Government Almighty! (Family members or friends who have known you all your life? Their opinion of you is like varmint snot, in relative value!)

    All Hail Government Almighty!

  • sarcasmic||

    Yeah, when it comes to government, credentials are all that matter. This is my second rodeo with this shit. If it does come to blows (not literally) I can involve the people from the last rodeo. They don't like the woman one bit. In the end I believe I can win, but by the time it's done I will be starting completely over as far as assets, retirement, savings, etc.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Also do I recall you saying that your daughter has some form of mental illness? If by any chance it is "bipolar", then do NOT, ever, ever, EVER allow a shrink to prescribe anti-depressants for her! This drives bipolar patients towards mania! I have a close relative who spent almost a month in the mental hospital after an incompetent shrink prescribed anti-depressants on top of a mood stabilizer (lithium for bipolar), despite a simple "Google" search telling you NOT to do this! Even after all their fancy degrees and credentials, a lot of doctors are LICENSED incompetent quacks! We MUST own or own diseases anyway, so I despise these medical trolls under the bridge! It's like having to see a mechanical engineering PhD to get permission to have your car's oil changed!

    Anyway, if relevant, a word to the wise... NO anti-depressants for bipolar patients!!!!

  • sarcasmic||

    Behavior issues. She's in residential treatment. We're working towards transitioning her back home. Though now that my house is sold I will be homeless in the beginning of August. Will be crashing in my mom's basement for a while. Can't commit to anything because I don't know what my budget will be. Sucks. I gotta go. Got my daughter tonight, time to make dinner.

  • perlchpr||

    Good luck, man.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Yeah man, good luck, Godspeed!

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I am sorry to hear that, brother. I hope you win without suffering too much financial burden. Legal fees are ridiculous. Can you get help from any organizations friendly to your cause? I wish you the best.

  • Dadlobby||

    Try this, http://nymensactionnetwork.org/help/ and this, https://www.facebook.com/groups/protectionformen/ and hold onto your ass, for all you righteous talk, the court doesn't care, you are a man and you will be fucked over.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    If you are fighting your ex over custody you are in family court and not dealing with child protective services.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    it is hardly uncommon for parents to witness the incident that caused the fracture(s) to occur.

    I'm really trying to parse this. Does this mean it IS common for parents to not see these incidents. Or it is uncommon that parents don't see this incident?

  • bevis the lumberjack||

    I think she left out a "not".

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Yeah. The problem is that hardly is ambiguous as is uncommon. Both are not absolute qualifiers and so it's hard to say what directs those modifiers are changing things.

  • Think It Through||

    She didn't leave out a "not" at all. The intended meaning of the sentence seemed perfectly clear to me:

    "It is hardly uncommon for parents to witness the incident that caused the fracture(s) to occur" (and not think anything of it, or not realize they had witnessed an injurious incident, because it seemed so innocuous. A little fall. A bump against a table. Etc.)

  • sharmota4zeb||

    It's a round about way of saying that unexplained fractures like those are not the norm, but they are not uncommon enough to be suspicious.

  • Idaho Bob||

    True story - We took our baby to the annual "well baby" checkup. Clean bill of health, everything A-OK. Two weeks later we get a call from the doctor informing us our daughter had a rare strain of salmonella. The kid was never sick, especially from something like salmonella. Two days later CPS is at the door demanding stool samples from everyone in our family, including grandparents who babysat on occasion. We refused. Now three weeks have passed and NO ONE had any symptoms of salmonella. CPS was showing up daily on my front porch. Finally, in a fit of rage, I asked "Why are you SOOOOO interested in collecting my family's shit?" Then the threats of kidnapping began. Thankfully, the CPS supervisor involved reviewed the case and dismissed it. We were lucky.

  • Alcibiades||

    You consult an attorney when this happened?

  • Rich||

    CPS is at the door demanding stool samples from everyone in our family, including grandparents who babysat on occasion.

    *And* from CPS agents, who visited daily, right? RIGHT?!

  • Rat on a train||

    I think I could provide a bucket full for them. I could mix in urine samples just in case.

  • bevis the lumberjack||

    Gasp! Did you know that the Nazis did this exact same precise thing at Auschwitz?!? And the mafia??????

    Just wait until Woke Social Media finds out about this! It'll be a total tweetstorm!!!

  • ||

    CPS, not to be confused with the Chicago Public Schools CPS.

    The song lyric "and in a place not called Chicago" comes to mind.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    I'd pay to support a study of the relative costs and benefits of CPS services, and by costs I don't mean taxes, I mean lives made worse. I'd bet a paycheck they ruin far more lives than they help, and the best thing would be to get rid of them altogether.

  • Penny_Worth||

    That also applies to what ever your specific state used for the three letter agency. (Some states have different ones) Some of the studies being applied to separating immigrant parents from children are as (if not more!) applicable to the children being separated from parents who are citizens. Frankly, there should be some balance between protecting children from real abusive situations and parenting differences that do not harm children..and there should be a process as well for preventing vindictive ex-spouses or others from slandering one to the 'abuse hotline'.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    The truth is that the left won't care about this because they think it's better to have government raise a child than "evil" parents. It takes a village after all.

    The right will only continue to use this as an excuse as to why it's ok to split up immigrant families.

    In the end, nobody will care about these cases because it doesn't fit anyone's agenda. What a great time to be alive!

    Good article Lenore. Keep fighting the good fight for freedom in parenting.

  • Ron||

    The right won't use this to split up immigrants because they know many cases are against law abiding white sheep so that CPS can sell their kids to a loving gay couples.

    Keep up teh reporting and maybe the media will get on board of course they will probably only call for more government over reach like in Scotland where they want to have a government official to look over every child every day now thats even scarier. most politicians on boths side believe the fix to government over reach isn't less overreach but more over reach

  • Cynical Asshole||

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    The left also hates individuals, so once the government has taken over, they can wash their hands of any individual concern.

    I sometimes wonder if that's the overriding factor in progressives, leftists, statists in general. They like to accuse libertarians of hating people, but individualism is the only ism which puts individuals in charge, that thinks individuals can be responsible and take care of themselves. Progressives were real big on eugenics and remaking people into their vision, and that's their modus operandi today too -- lump people into statistics, stop caring about individuals, and let the state take care of the better good for society as opposed to any individual concern.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Progressives were real big on eugenics and remaking people into their vision, and that's their modus operandi today too

    Pretty much this. Statists of all stripes believe that "they can make people better."

  • SQRLSY One||

    "Research by Professors Vivek Sankaran and Christopher Church has shown that even children quickly returned to parents can suffer long-term harm from the separation."

    Yes, this is what I have been saying all along! So the abuses of the border patrol and state CPSes are all some horrible, sinful crimes, with long-term way-negative impacts to individuals and society. When are we going to have the equivalent of Nuremberg Trials here, for the offenders?

  • ||

    Yes, this is what I have been saying all along!

    You and Lenore and even the researchers (but mostly you) are stealing several bases here. Namely, CPS seizes children of all ages while CBP distinctly doesn't generally separate children under the age of 5. Additionally, "quickly returned to parents" by CPS standards and CBP standards are two very different situations. Also, many of the markers of demonstrable harm are more indicative of the failure of CPS as a social welfare program than CBP as a law enforcement program. That is to say, teen pregnancy is an indicator of the failure of CPS but it's less clear that late teen pregnancy is and it's not even really a consideration with regard to the above factors when it comes to CBP detentions.

    That's not to say that CBP isn't fucking up these kids lives, but 30 days in a tent city at the age of 13 while your parents are cleared for asylum isn't really comparable to a "quick" 3-mo. stay at one or more foster homes while you're 1. I don't like CBP or CPS, but lets not pretend that the Nazis at the border are the Wehrmacht and CPS is just a bunch of ragtag brownshirts shall we?

  • ||

    but 30 days in a tent city at the age of 13 while your parents are cleared for asylum

    Especially after being dragged across Mexico by said 'parents'.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    No "CHILDRENZ ARE BEING KIDNAPPED!!!!!" headline?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Thank you for highlighting this problem. Child Protective Services often do much harm by taking kids from their parents unnecessarily.

  • Rich||

    It wasn't until a month later, in court, when the 11-year-old begged the judge to let him and his brother go back to their parents that the court returned the boys home.

    "Your Honor, this pathetic display of 'begging' just shows how thoroughly those awful people have brainwashed the boys!"

  • jjjjj||

    Whatabout whatabout whatabout!!! Get it together. Only the Mex^H^H^Himmigrant kids matter right now!

  • Ron||

    Can we see five articles a day on this subject. I'd be happy to see a lot of TDS on this issue so that the main stream media will get on board. lets see if Reason can do this, an anti-CPS program where they get to trash Trump and i won't complain since it might get something done.

  • BYODB||

    Separating families is wrong in both circumstances, but notably it's only actually wrong when the people in question are foreign nationals. Citizens are sheep, and should be glad of any decision made on their behalf by their owners.


    In many of those cases, CPS intervention is justified in order to protect children, or provide them care they aren't getting at home. But not always.


    We have been told that no, there is no government interest in protecting children in one circumstance whereas there is an interest in the other. Curious.

  • BYODB||

    We have been told that no, there is no government interest in protecting children in one circumstance whereas there is an interest in the other. Curious.

    I figure I should elaborate on this, since it seems that the concerns regarding pedophiles, human traffickers, kidnap victims, etc. are completely disregarded when considering illegal immigrant children whereas they are immanent dangers that justify intervention and a 'see something, say something' mentality from all civilians when concerning citizens.

    Curious.

    Personally I think it's stupid panic-mongering in both cases, but obviously the populace disagrees.

  • Martin Henner||

    These articles disgust me because the authors write about state protective workers, judges and medical staff, without ever naming them.
    If they are named and shamed personally, maybe then they will do better next time.

  • Dadlobby||

    Named, formal complaint filed, system still the same, nobody held accountable. http://nymensactionnetwork.org.....e-custody/

  • SRoach||

    Maybe throw in some home addresses,
    and driving directions.
    Right?*

    Around here, CPS has one of the highest attrition rates, if not the highest attrition rate. Pass a law preventing them from hiring new caseworkers, demote supervisors to caseworkers as their caseworkers quit, and pretty soon, you'd have an empty, or nearly empty, agency.

    Of course, then you'd have two groups to deal with. The die-hards who will, and do, put themselves through the closest we can come to hell to help those they're charged to protect, and those who should be banned from any position of power, anywhere.
    The former would be hard to fire, when the order finally came to pull the plug.

    *The above should not be taken as a call to violence, but rather to illustrate the very thin line between publishing the names of the Enemies of the Republic, and giving detailed information on how to find them.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    "The number of children separated from their parents at the border since April is almost equal to the number taken by CPS every three days."

    Christ, what a bunch of assholes.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    Seems to me custody of your own children, barring proven criminal abuse, is a natural human right. I'm guessing it's not enumerated because the founders never dreamed a government social worker would ever have the power to kidnap babies. Thanks for the article Lenore. This issue doesn't get anywhere near the exposure it deserves even though millions of Americans are victims.

  • Dadlobby||

    (anti) family courts and the power of the state over parents increased in an effort to get "deadbeat dads" starting in the 1980's. Parental rights have been increasingly eroded and the majority of court "award" (what she already has) custody to mothers and remove it from fathers (making them "non custodial visitors and payers into the state coffers). This is so states can reap huge federal dollars under Title IVd of the Social Security Act. http://nymensactionnetwork.org.....rt-reform/

  • Vernon Depner||

    ...the founders never dreamed a government social worker would ever have the power to kidnap babies.

    They also never would have dreamed that citizens would not defend themselves against government agents trying to steal their children.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    I wonder how long it will take before some parent, pushed beyond endurance by CPS idiocy, decides they have a better chance in court if they shoot the CPS twit involved.

    I don't ADVOCATE it as a solution, mind. But I am reminded of Helm's Law (After the Character Matt Helm) "If you push around enough people for long enough, you will end up facing an angry man with a gun."

  • jjsaz||

    Taking a kid to a border, crossing it, illegally, IS child endangerment. Starting with the hazardous journey right up to breaking the law. Putting a child of a criminal (misdemeanors are crimes) is charity. Bush and Obama's did it. Trump gets assailed for it. Granted he accelerated the pace, but only the pace is his policy. That and actually prosecuting these criminals. That said, I support jailing them all together until you process their cases and expelling them simultaneously.

    This nonstop nonsense about separating families utterly occludes the fact that the parents are the villains. Full stop.

    However, taking your kid to the doctor is the exact opposite of child endangerment. CPS must be curtailed. Massively.

  • ||

    That said, I support jailing them all together until you process their cases and expelling them simultaneously.

    Thinking about this further, I remain either ignorant, unconvinced, or both. Everything I've seen both in the US and abroad is that people detained in these situations are detained in something not dissimilar a prison's 'general population'. While everything I've seen of the separated kids indicates their facilities and tent cities are unisex, peer-oriented, and closer to a school-oriented setting. Again, not that I'm advocating any particular outcome but we're not talking about a perfect situation to begin with and while I feel that it's almost certainly a good idea to keep kids and parents together, I can see where it would be an exceedingly poor idea to essentially jail adult men and women with teen and pre-teen boys and girls. I would, at the very least, consider a consistent form of access or conduit of communication between kids and parents to be a good thing.

  • Dadlobby||

    And for those (idiots) who think that CPS does good on occasion, wrong (stories here http://nymensactionnetwork.org.....e-custody/).

  • ||

    Children of single parents have a 77-percent greater risk of being harmed by physical abuse, an 87-percent greater risk of being harmed by physical neglect, and an 80-percent greater risk of suffering serious injury or harm from abuse or neglect than children living with both parents.

    Which is worse? Single parents or 30-days in a CBP detention facility? I don't mean to belittle either/any plight or insult single or immigrant parents but, at this point, I honestly can't tell. The statistics are so far-reaching on such conditionally false premises it's beyond intelligible even by advanced statisticians and analytics. If I had to guess, I'd say '77% greater risk of being harmed by physical abuse' doesn't mean 1-2 more kids are going to get spanked but that thousands more kids are going to get beaten. Making single parents categorically/empirically worse by pretty much every metric than anything Trump did. But, again, I admit the 77% and 'thousands' is guesswork and that Trump undid what he did with the stroke of a pen while single parenting is a more protracted problem. However, by that same token, you're looking past a far worse, more prevalent, and more protracted problem to focus on one that has kinda-sorta already been cleaned up and didn't include any kids getting the bones broken or teeth knocked out in the first place.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Americans are evil and should have their children torn from them and raised by enlightened government workers in government institutions

    "You can't enforce the law against them; they have children!" only works for foreigners

    Foreigners First

  • Robbie12345||

    I agree. Citizens of another country should have more rights than the citizens of the country they are trying to get in illegally. I believe this because I am ignorant and a registered Democrat.

  • Robbie12345||

    American children can't go to jail with their parent if their parents break the law. Why is it that the Democrats and the liberal nuts in this country want people that aren't citizens of this country to have more rights than its citizens? The media is ignorant and didn't cry foul in 2014 when Obama did this.

  • Robbie12345||

    This is one of those cases where the Democrats and liberals should be saying is this to the best interest for the kids to be with parents that want to break laws of a new country they are trying to get into. 90% ID fraud is done by illegals. They will just teach their children to be felons. The average illegal alien routinely commits multiple felonies –forgery, Social Security fraud, identity theft, and perjury. The media and Democrats hope most Americans are ignorant of these facts.

  • LEAPGuyAZ||

    Arizona CPS took our 4 grandchildren for 2 years. Then gave them back to their father in a one room motel. Telling us prostitution and meth use was a "life style choice" as long as they didn't do it in front of the kids.

    After almost killing a guy he fled with the kids to Oregon where CPS took the kids. In Oregon he beat their mother and choked out our grandson. He told us he thought he was going to die.

    Oregon CPS GAVE the KIDS BACK....... All 4 have been molested and have little chance of a normal life...

    THANK YOU CPS

  • Ben of Houston||

    It's stories like this that confuse me. There seem to be so many cases of actual abuse where CPS is worse than useless, while there are so many others where children are taken for essentially no reason.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    Well then, CPS needs to be disbanded wherever they exist.
    Someone should run for elected office on that platform.

  • J Neil Schulman||

    Thank you for this! I posted about this on both my Facebook and Twitter accounts this past Tuesday: "Cut the crap. Liberals and Progressives INVENTED separating children from their parents. It's called Child Protective Services."

    I also wrote in follow-up comments:

    "Child Protective Services yanking children away from their parents -- everything from the parents smoking marijuana to home schooling to allowing their children to walk home from school -- is a MAJOR libertarian issue."

    and

    "The State snatching children from their parents is indeed wrong. But that's what Child Protective Services does daily to children whose parents attempt to resist the State in even the most trivial way."

    J. Neil Schulman
    Latest libertarian science-fiction novel The Fractal Man @ https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B07D994VRQ/reasonmagazineA/
    Latest libertarian non-fiction Origitent search on title @ https://www.amazon.com

  • Dysphoria||

    The State is threatened by familial relationships: marriage (or at least two parents), and parent-child.

    When a woman can depend on her husband, and not the deputy/prosecutor/judge, that is a threat. There is a lot of power in that unifed pair of people. They need the State a lot less.

    The Prosecuting Attorney would like so much more to turn all the women into victims, so they can depend on the State! Like some gigantic sniveling harem of women who don't even know enough to come in out of the rain. Jordan Peterson said it very well: "If you are afraid of what a STRONG man will do, you had better be afraid of what a WEAK man will do." A weak man will use the "law" and the courts to create a gigantic victim class of women.

    The men must attend "Victim Impact Panels" for re-education.

    There's a lot of power in an intact family....parents with common goals and backgrounds, raising children in their own belief system. How can the State indoctrinate anyone? Those children must be separated from the parents.

  • ohdelilah||

    Every time parents lose their kids because "Drugs!"

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    My son went snowboarding. He took a jump he was not ready for and broke his collarbone (I was home at the time). I drove the 90 minutes to the facility to get him, drove him 90 minutes back to the ER, and then had to deal with a doctor asking about possible physical abuse because his shoulder bone was twisted. The good news? His stepsister was with him at the time and set them straight.

    I represented a single mother in a case where her 3 year-old child was jumping up and down on a couch, fell off and broke his ankle. One common feature of such a fall is that the ankle twists, so of course DCFS detained. The good news was that she had a good attorney (me) who had a good expert, who testified that this was not abuse but a common feature of that fracture. When asked how a bone could break so easily he stated that in a child of this age the femur was like a hollow pencil. Case over. 2 weeks later the judge told me her grandson was at her house and jumping on the couch and all she could think was "hollow pencil! hollow pencil!" Lesson learned, I suppose.

  • Dysphoria||

    Of course, the doctor was a "mandated reporter", no doubt. And, being an ER doctor and with no (or little) rapport with you, was observing an abundance of caution.

    The doctors cannot practice with any self-assurance anymore....with those pesky EHR's, who knows who is looking into the record, second-guessing every move they make.

    When are the American people going to wake up, for heaven's sake? They have got to realize they will not want to see the type of doctor that is left over when this horrible State intrusion into the profession is complete. Only the worst government tools will be left. Ugh!

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