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Trump Announces Plans for a 'Space Force.' Seriously

As bad ass as it might sound, a dedicated Space Force would likely prove to be another big government boondoggle

Yobro10/Dreamstime.comYobro10/Dreamstime.comPresident Donald Trump says he supports the idea of creating a Space Force as a co-equal branch of the military in order to project U.S. dominance beyond the reaches of Earth's gravity.

"When it comes to defending America, it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space," Trump said at a Monday meeting of his National Space Council. "I'm hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a Space Force as the sixth branch of the armed forces."

The idea of a Space Force admittedly sounds pretty badass. However, it is also likely unnecessary, unwise, and runs counter to the recommendation of Trump's own Defense chief.

When a bipartisan group of lawmakers tried to include language creating a new "Space Corps" in the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, Defense Secretary Gen. James Mattis strongly opposed the idea, writing in a letter, "I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting functions."

This "Space Corps" was a notably less ambitious proposal than what Trump seems to be describing. It called for the new Corps to have its own seat on the Military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, but still report to the Department of the Air Force, similar to the Marine Corps' relationship with the Navy.

In contrast, Trump said today that his Space Force would be a co-equal branch, saying, "we are going to have the Air Force and we are going to have the Space Force, separate but equal."

Whatever form it takes, the creation of a new branch of the military will only invite more waste in a Department of Defense bureaucracy that continues to siphon off billions of taxpayer dollars while rarely being held accountable for how it spends its massive budget.

As recently as February 2018, an audit of the Defense Logistics Agency obtained by Politico found that the agency—which functions as the military's supply arm—failed to account for as much as $800 million. In December 2016, it was revealed that the Defense Department buried an internal study finding $125 billion in administrative waste. (Then there's the money frittered away by the Defense Department on smaller scale boondoggles, like the $43 million compressed natural gas station we built in Afghanistan.)

Mattis argued that the Pentagon's priority should be focusing on getting its own shop in order before it goes about creating whole new branches.

Indeed, the idea of militarizing space with a brand-new Space Force departs from some positive noises the Trump administration has made about letting the private sector take the lead in space development.

In February, the Administration floated the idea of converting the International Space Station into a semi-private facility and zeroing out NASA funding for the station by 2025. The space agency has already saved big bucks partnering with private companies to resupply the station. Other private enterprises are getting ever closer to launching manned space flights.

The Trump Administration would do well to let these peaceful, private initiatives develop, as opposed to crowding them out by launching the government's most bloated bureaucracy into space.

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  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    Too... many... jokes... So... many... block-quotable sentence fragments...

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The idea of a Space Force admittedly sounds pretty badass.

    If you look at that and see a joke, I look at you and see a bitter shell of a man.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    And as if the insult weren't enough, I'm sure you'll now also fail to thank me for sparing you from having to go to your next check up with your eye doctor.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I thank you every night as I stare out into the empty sky. I stare out and wonder if you're staring at the same sky as I.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    TMI

  • BigT||

    On your back again, I see.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    It's not his fault almost no one ever comes over and helps him get right side up again.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "The idea of a Space Force admittedly sounds pretty badass. However, it is also likely unnecessary, unwise, and runs counter to the recommendation of Trump's own Defense chief."

    You're right, it is bad ass.

    I forget whatever else you were saying.

    Back to bad ass, . . .

    It needs a better name than "Space Force".

    Maybe something like "Cobra"! I guess that's already taken.

    What about, "Star Force"?

  • Chipper Jones||

    Star Force is solid but we need some kind of double entendre that plays off the "separate but equal" part of his speech that everyone is freaking out over.

  • Zeb||

    the "separate but equal" part of his speech that everyone is freaking out over.

    Really? Jesus Christ.

  • Tony||

    As a phrase it has some baggage.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    It was clearly an intentional dog whistle to his white supremacist base.

  • Tony||

    With Stephen Miller stlll apparently calling the shots, it probably definitely was.

  • ||

    ^ Everything OBL does is worth it for this type of thing.

  • JoeBlow123||

    Hahaha.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    A home run own goal, as it were.

  • Wilsonian Diplomacy||

    "probably definitely"

    Clown.

  • bevis the lumberjack||

    Probably definitely almost for sure. I mean, maybe certainly with only some doubt.

  • Rat on a train||

    In space black holes are the bad guys.

  • Eidde||

    Don't forget all that "dark matter" that gets blamed for everything even though there are no witnesses.

  • Dan S.||

    Change "but" to "and" and it has positive "baggage", being a phrase used in our "Declaration of Independence.

  • Eidde||

    darn it

  • Eidde||

    "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the *separate and equal* station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

  • ||

    Star Force is solid but we need some kind of double entendre that plays off the "separate but equal" part of his speech that everyone is freaking out over.

    Supermassive Black Hole Force. Cram in all the entendres that you like.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

  • BigT||

    Better than Neil dumbass Tyson

  • Jerryskids||

    Planetary/Interplanetary Guard Squadrons. In Spaaaaace.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Should call it Starfleet. Dibs on command of The Enterprise.

  • Cyto||

  • Agammamon||

  • DesigNate||

    S.W.O.R.D.

    Don't ask me what the acronym stands for.

  • Eidde||

    Super World Order Reinforcement and Defense.

    In space.

  • Napoleon Bonaparte||

    Good news for the space buffs, anyway. NASA's budget is a rounding error compared to the Pentagon's.

  • The Last American Hero||

    Until the 2020 budget includes a trillion dollars for a new Starfleet Academy.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Until the 2020 budget includes a trillion dollars for a new Starfleet Academy

    As long as replaces the current San Francisco, I'm in.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    Indeed, the idea of militarizing space with a brand-new Space Force departs from some positive noises the Trump administration has made about letting the private sector take the lead in space development

    "Oh, I think we can work with this."

    -Weyland-Yutani

  • Tony||

    Ugh. We need to wait until we are a unified earth before we have a space force. Then we can have bitchy little spats with Mars and the belters.

  • Chipper Jones||

    Also a brilliant idea for rapid economic expansion.

    --Paul Krugman

  • The Last American Hero||

    The Zentraedi may get here by then, and we won't have any mecha ready to duke it out with them.

  • Agammamon||

    We have Titan Maximum Force 5!

  • Rat on a train||

    The Zentraedi won't be able to withstand our pop culture. In the confusion they can be defeated by a single ship. The Shadows are the real threat.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Well those foreign countries better get busy to unify under Trump's America.

  • Tony||

    Hey we're only doing moderately dystopian here.

  • Dan S.||

    "The 1967 Outer Space Treaty bans the stationing of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in outer space, prohibits military activities on celestial bodies, and details legally binding rules governing the peaceful exploration and use of space." I wonder if Donald Trump knows this. I guess "military activities" that don't involve weapons of mass destruction are allowed in Earth orbit, but that seems like a rather small field of activity for a co-equal branch of the military.

  • Agammamon||

    Given the volume of the area of operations, it dwarfs the whole of the surface world.

  • Ron||

    May as well China already has satalite killers and Russia is working on the same.

  • Agammamon||

    Russia has had satellite killers for about as long as we have. Its not hard - all you have to do is get up there, not stay there. That you're effectively stationary vs a target closing as several kilometers per second how they work.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    we are going to have the Air Force and we are going to have the Space Force, separate but equal

    See, this is why I told you all that allowing black stormtroopers was a bad idea.

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    Well done, sir.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    I was hoping for something more like a plaque or statue, but I'll take it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The idea of a Space Force admittedly sounds pretty badass.

    NO GODDAMN FUCKING SHIT IT DOES. Space America, FUCK YEAH.

  • Vitae Drinker||

    Space 'Murica.

  • Conchfritters||

    Racist

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    The space agency has already saved big bucks partnering with private companies to resupply the station

    IBM in particular has offered very low bids on the new computer mainframe.

  • Conchfritters||

    HAL: Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    I guess nobody programmed it to know that telling someone to "take a chill pill" has never, ever succeeded in calming them down.

  • Zeb||

    This is good. How else are we going to win the secret war we're fighting with China on the far side of the moon?

  • Zeb||

    Also, all Mexican immigrants are secretly Chinese Communists in disguise.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    To be fair, some Chinese immigrants are Chinese spies in disguise.

  • Zeb||

    It's true. But stop messing with my ridiculous conspiracy theory.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    All the investment in cheap rocket technology is just abetting illegal moon-mexicans to cross the space-border and take our jobs.

  • Dan S.||

    Or simply to the moon. Anyone else remember the conclusion of the original Rocky and Bullwinkle storyline? Moon men Guidney and Cloyd were deported to the moon, after failing their citizenship test. I was 8 or 9 when it first aired, and that was the first time I ever encountered the notion of someone being "deported". Today's 8 and 9 year olds are all too familiar with the concept, I expect.

  • Cy||

    Only the kid's whose parents get caught taking a dip in the Rio Grande!

  • Azathoth!!||

    DEPORT THEM TO SPACE AUSTRALIA!

    No!

    Keep space Australia for yourself--who wants moon Mexicans all covered in stroon?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Everyone laughed at Reagan for Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI).

    Now the US Navy has lasers on ships to shoot down objects.

    Interesting how some people voice ideas, other people take those comments out of context to attack political enemies, and some of those great ideas become a reality.

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    Yes, but nobody created a new military branch to put the lasers on the ships.

  • The Last American Hero||

    That's because the Navy was already mounting them on the heads of sharks, and easily transferred the process to mounting them on vessels.

  • Agammamon||

    1. Austin Powers reference. If the VB's did it, it was reference to that.

    2. We put them on dolphins.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    Defense Secretary Gen. James Mattis strongly opposed the idea, writing in a letter, "I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting functions."

    "And for the last time, put a sweater on!"

  • Ken Shultz||

    Incidentally, I think NASA is blowing it from a marketing perspective. Not that I want them wasting my taxpayer money on horseshit, but if they really wanted to capture people's imaginations and get people on board with their budget, they'd go much bigger than science. Who cares about science? NASA isn't famous for science. They did some cool engineering shit. They put a guy on the moon!

    They should make the colonization of space their express mission. They should be working on the colonization of habitable worlds. They should be building theme parks under water and selling the experience as a dry run for what they want to build on Enceladus, Europa, . . .

    Isn't Epcot Center about an hour from Cape Canaveral? People don't believe in heaven so much anymore, but they want to believe in something. They want to believe that humanity has a future, and it's bright, and that they've got a place in it. Atlantis Paradise Island cost $800 million to build. NASA's budget is $18 billion a year. And all we get for our money is a bunch of documentaries on PBS.

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    $18 billion is nothing. Faking moon landings is expensive!

  • bevis the lumberjack||

    But, but, colonization is not worth doing if there are no native populations to exploit!!!!

  • Agammamon||

    I've said this before and I'll say it again here - there is no reason to go enter the orbit of any planet you can land on.

    Once you've reached earth's orbital velocity you're half way to damn near any place in the galaxy; why would you lock yourself down again once you've gotten that freedom?

    Mobile space habitats are the way to go. No one's going to want to vacation on Encaladus because there's nothing there except slime. The only way to get people to come is if you put a whole bunch of in-habitat shit to do - like casinos, swimming pools, and bars. In which case you've basically got a cruise ship, just stuck on another planet. So put all that shit in a real ship and go do something.

    In any case, unless we go extinct in the next 1-2 centuries, humanity will be an expanding cloud of computronium with a thin shell of machines for converting mass into more computronium. If its not computing or fusing, its just bending space.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    If you assume that humanity's next evolutionary stage will be less individualistic and variegated than the previous, I suppose.

    The assumption that more advanced species will behave in a manner more akin to bacteria and archaea than to multi-celled organisms is roughly equivalent to the idea that futuristic residences and command bridges on ships will be less cluttered and more sterile than those of today.

  • Agammamon||

    I'm not following you.

    There's no assumption of 'less individuality' there, or more. Only that whatever comes out the end of the Singularity will be at home equally well inside virtual realms as in real-space and we're not going to be sending anything approximating meat people to colonize planets when we can turn the whole accessible universe into a massive networked reality.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    ...which would require an assumption of less individuality. Because if individuality persists- and, as would seem to be the libertarian's assumption, expands- then not all of those advanced beings are going to be "down" with their private property, on Earth or on a newly reached colony planet, being turned into spare RAM for the Borg's Gmod emulation.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    as opposed to crowding them out by launching the government's most bloated bureaucracy into space

    But isn't that our, like, goal, around here, though?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Yeah, but Mexico is supposed to pay for it, not us.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    This is what we get for contracting out to Elon Musk.

  • BigT||

    Were colonizing Mars and the Martians will pay for it!

    (GOP 2020 platform)

  • TGoodchild||

    If the DNC alternative is "amnesty and federal handouts for life for all Martians," I suppose I'd take the GOP platform.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    Oh oh, you just let his nth dimensional move out of the bag.

    He was going to deploy all the warmongers out in space and then build a wall around the earth so we can have peace forevah.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    I wonder if Putin told him to do this. It might be that the Russians know the US is unlikely to substantially reduce overall military spending, so they want us to instead divert the money to pointless projects.

    #TrumpRussia

  • Ken Shultz||

    It's all about Putin.

    And Stormy Daniels.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Any self-respecting president would give this authority to the navy.

  • Ken Shultz||

    The Navy can't go into outer space.

    And they'd look ridiculous on their terrestrial boats wearing space helmets.

    No, it's gotta be a new service with a bitchin' name.

    Like "The Rat Patrol" but in space!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    We don't need to give sailors a whole new frontier to commit sodomy in.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    And we're back to the black hole silliness

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    There is already a Space Warfare Command within the Navy.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Space Warfare Command? That isn't anything like "Rat Patrol" in space.

    Do they even wear space helmets?

    No.

    We need a new force, with LED helmets, silvery black reflective uniforms, plasma weapons, and gravity boots.

  • Agammamon||

    Actually, all that stuff is in the NSA now. OR at least their 'command center' room dealio.

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    And as this video proves, the Navy is a perfect fit for outer space

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    It's no accident that it's Admiral Kirk now.

  • Agammamon||

    Admiral Kirk!

    . . .

    *Admiral*?

  • Vernon Depner||

    Finally!

  • Tony||

    We are kinda boxed in with the whole Pentagon thing. I don't think The Hexgon would project quite the same solid war boner intimidation. Oh well, we can just combine two of the others. They aren't touchy about that sort of thing.

  • BigT||

    But sexagon sounds kinky enough.

  • Tony||

    Trump's saving that for the 2nd term.

  • Vernon Depner||

    But Octagon sounds really ominous. We need a couple more branches.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    Since earth operations are largely two dimensional and space is inherently 3d, I think we need to change our geometric figure terminology

    I vote for Duodecahedron for the Pentagon replacement

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    You idiots do realize the only way Bruce Willis and to a lesser extent Ben Affleck were even able to stop the meteor was because NASA already had weaponized shuttles on hand.

  • Chipper Jones||

    They also wouldn't go up unless they never again had to pay taxes. Libertarian moment.

  • Cy||

    The IRS guys suck to party with.

  • Nom de Sobriquet||

    Hrm. This has been a discussion for years. It would probably break down the way it did in 1947 when the Army Air Corps separated into the US Air Force. The USAF today carries the water for space situational awareness, launch support, force support via satellite operations and the like. We're not talking Starship Troopers here - someone should probably tell POTUS that.

    It'll be staffed by transfers from the USAF, literally changing uniforms. In any case, it's a waste of money for a new uniform, and invites fuckloads of mission creep, infighting over who's in whose swim lane. Bloody mess.

  • JoeBlow123||

    Agreed.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    So... you don't want to Make America Great Again?

  • Nom de Sobriquet||

    Sure, but, you know... baby steps and all that

  • Bubba Jones||

    Make Mars Great For Once!

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    We need to get started on a seventh branch of the military too, to combat any potential threats from other dimensions.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    The Septagon! Not to be confused with the Septicgon.

  • Lee Moore||

    I can't decide whether this article is shallower than it is snarky, or snarkier than it is shallow. Anyway let's begin with this Warp Factor 8 absurdity :
    Indeed, the idea of militarizing space with a brand-new Space Force departs from some positive noises the Trump administration has made about letting the private sector take the lead in space development.

    Now then, let's wind the clock back to the 1920s or so, and change from space to air. Would we like the private sector to take the lead in developing air stuff. Sure. But whether the private sector does that or not, is that going to stop us thinking about and actively preparing for, the military implications of powered flight ? Apparently it is. Let's hope 7th grade proves less of a challenge.

    The correct answer is that the US should prepare for – ie be ahead of any potential enemies – in any area of new technology and any potential new battlefield. Hoping that the Chinese will ignore the military potential of space isn't going to cut it.

  • Lee Moore||

    The question then is what is the best organisational structure to develop US space warfare capabilities, and to integrate them within overall US defense capabilities. There are pros of a separate service. And cons. The history of military politics indicates that a new service will waste resources on admin and boondoggles. But a service falling within the command structure of another service will be the poor relation, feeding off scraps. Which structure is best is a complicated question with no clear answer. An entrepreneur and a corporate executive would come to the question with different perspectives.
    Mattis argued that the Pentagon's priority should be focusing on getting its own shop in order before it goes about creating whole new branches.

    Which is the traditional "established services" viewpoint. Let's get the administrative structure for providing fodder reliably to the cavalry as streamlined as possible, before we go chasing after these new fangled tanky things. And that may be right. Or it may be complacent, and may indicate that Mattis is too old fashioned fully to appreciate the implications of space warfare, and the military risks in leaving it as a poor relation in the procurement wars.

  • Lee Moore||

    Trump may be a military visionary, or a blowhard seeking a headline. OK we can probably work that one out for ourselves. But we aren't going to discover anything sensible about whether a separate Space Service would be the best way to enhance the US's defences from a shallow and snarky article like this.

  • Bubba Jones||

    We need a moon base that can drop rocks on China.

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    And now we know why his last words were "history will absolve me".

  • Agammamon||

    Given that the only SpaWar missions right now are satellite delivery, observation, and destruction - all of which are accomplished by either dude's in armchairs or the occassional cockpit, its pretty damn early to be breaking off the SpaWar mission into a seperate service.

    The AF rolled out of the AAC because *airflight was a mature technology and had been used in actual warfare for a generation already*. In addition there was its increasing role in logistics.

    We're not even close to fielding a single space-marine, let alone training to take over the spacestations that don't even exist anymore.

    So yeah - its waaaaaay premature to be talking about creating a 'space-force'.

  • Azathoth!!||

    I bet you keep your buggy whips nice and shiny

  • The Last American Hero||

    Laugh now, but when they commemorate the Battlestar Trump, you won't be laughing. OK. Maybe a bit.

  • Rich||

    Mattis argued that the Pentagon's priority should be focusing on getting its own shop in order before it goes about creating whole new branches.

    "Very well. The Accountability Force *and* the Space Force!"

  • Rich||

    The Cyber Force is conspicuous by its (apparent) absence.

  • Bubba Jones||

  • BigT||

    "project U.S. dominance beyond the reaches of Earth's gravity."

    Um, I may be forgetting my hs physics, but gravity declines by distance squared. It doesn't go to zero. So Nothing is "beyond its reaches." Are we projecting into the multiverses?

  • Tony||

    ^^ The funnest at parties.

  • Yellow Tony||

    He certainly would be quite the star at a Tabasco-bondage gala of ours.

  • Agammamon||

    If I thought he thought these things through then I'd say he means the point where the Sun's gravity dominates over terrestrial gravity.

    But I don't think he thinks these things through.

  • Zeb||

    Yes, the gravity in LEO is pretty nearly as strong as it is on the ground since it's only a hundred miles or so further from the center of the earth.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Well, BigT, since he said "beyond the reaches of Earth's gravity and not 'beyond the reaches of gravity', I think your point is quite misplaced.

    The gravity well that Earth sits at the bottom of is a deformation in the gravity well that the sun sits at the bottom of...and this goes on for quite some time, very quickly reaching structures that humans can't even conceive of yet.

    And yes, of course you're projecting into multiverses. Life is not possible without it.

  • Earth Skeptic||

    Does this mean somebody can pull over Elon's stupid car?

  • TGoodchild||

    If it's like any of the other Teslas, it self-incinerated long ago, possibly outside a space-Starbucks.

  • Cy||

    Was it a Racist Space Starbucks or one of the newly trained ones?

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Was it Buck Rogers?

  • Yellow Tony||

    I'm on board as long as it even partially resembles the spirit of "The Wings of Honneamise."

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

  • Unicorn Abattoir||

    LEAVE GARY JOHNSON ALONE!!

  • TGoodchild||

    He was a Sith Lord, you know. TPM isn't, in fact, as shtty as you've thought.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

  • Yellow Tony||

    I like how the URL refers to a webp, but the image is simply a gif.
    I'll use this as segue into a very important matter: people need to switch from gifs to webms. It amazes me that there are people who would still use a significantly worse data format in terms of size and quality to send their "hilarious" moving pictures. I wish I could just blame boomers for the continual usage of gifs, but there are people closer to my wizardly age that don't know the benefit or don't care.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I ain't updating my old gifs to webms. Fuck you. It's not as fun to argue over how you pronounce webm.

  • Agammamon||

    Idiots kill each other over how to pronounce 'gif'. No one wants to open the 'webms' box.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

  • ThomasD||

    This article has been up for over four hours and there is not one single Juan Rico reference.

    There are no more libertarians at Reason

  • Telcontar the Wanderer||

    After everyone started referring to Canada as "the Skinnies" in the last tariff thread, the mods threatened to ban anyone who brings it up.

  • MyCroftxXx||

    HEinLEin in the Hizzousw

  • Agammamon||

    President Donald Trump says he supports the idea of creating a Space Force as a co-equal branch of the military

    Well, I'd say Trump is in danger of being assassinated by the Air Force to prevent someone taking this mission away from them but . . . they'll probably just send a nasty email.

  • Cranedoc||

    C'mon you apes! You want to live forever?

  • MyCroftxXx||

    er'ybody fights....

  • Eeyore||

    If we are going to pretend fantasy is reality, then why stop at one new branch. Start two new branches; the interplanetary space force, and the interstellar space force.

  • Mickey Rat||

    General O'Neil is going to be furious.

  • DenverJ||

    Isn't there a Nazi base on the dark side of the moon? I think this is a good idea.

  • Zeb||

    No, it's Chinese. Don't you know anything?

  • NashTiger||

    Kennedy announces plans to go to Moon. Srsly

  • ||

    It's not such a strange idea. There is a rumor -- supported by some circumstantial evidence -- that President Kennedy was given two proposals for how to proceed with the space program. One by the Hawks and one by the Doves. If it's true, he went with the Dove plan, and we had men walking on the moon. But the rumor goes (and some declassified sketches support it) that the Hawk plan would have had an orbital navy by 1970.

    Projects in the 50s and 60s would have even made it easy -- Project Orion, Project NERVA and the absolute insanity that developed the Casaba Howitzer. The US could send a ship from Earth to Mars in about a month or so with the plans Project NERVA produced, and Project Orion could have a sports stadium sized base waiting for them on Mars two weeks after the base was launched -- single stage to orbit, and a payload of millions of tons of mass.

    All we'd need to do to make those projects legal again is to back out of a few treaties that most countries in the world don't really respect anyway, and the two that made NERVA and Orion illegal were primarily with the Soviet Union anyway.

  • I am the 0.000000013%||

    What about an inner earth force?

    I mean between the Mexicans and Elon Musk, we do have a lot of underground incursions going on.

  • BenjaminTheDonkey||

    If you could change the orbit of the moon, you could flood areas of the planet at will. No small undertaking, but there also has to be some activity that could be improved with decreased gravity that would make a moon colony useful. Moon dust is highly dangerous to breathe, it would be a great place to get rid of undesirables.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Space Force sounds like a B level Sci Fi movie.

    Can't I just wait until it's on Netfilx?

  • Bert123||

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