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To Fight Patriarchy, Female Cornell Student Presents Thesis in Her Underwear

Does this really not violate Title IX?

ChaiScreenshot via Letitia Chai / FacebookA female student at Cornell University stripped down to her underwear—twice—before presenting her senior thesis to professors and other students.

The student was attempting to strike a blow against the patriarchy, repudiating her media arts professor's advice to dress up for the presentation. Yet I can't help but wonder: On what planet is this not a violation of Title IX, the federal anti-harassment statute that so many college administrators cite when cracking down on problematic, sexually charged behavior?

The student, Letitia Chai, was practicing her presentation in class while wearing cutoff jean shorts. That outfit, The Cornell Daily Sun reports, drew a rebuke from professor Rebekah Maggor, who asked, "Is that really what you would wear?"

"I do not tell my students what to wear, nor do I define for them what constitutes appropriate dress," Maggor later clarified in an email to the Sun. "I ask them to reflect for themselves and make their own decisions." Indeed, the syllabus warns students to "dress appropriately for the persona" they plan to present.

Maggor apologized for the remark anyway, after Chai stormed out of the class. She eventually returned, stripped down to her underwear, and continued with the presentation.

Chai stripped again during her actual senior thesis presentation, in front of students and professors. She said she "stood in solidarity with people who have been asked to 'question themselves' based on others' perception of their appearances," according to the Sun. She asked the audience to join her—and some removed articles of clothing. Afterward, she led a roundtable discussion about diversity and inclusion.

Most of the students who had been in attendance during the initial incident collaborated on a document exonerating the professor, Maggor, of wrongdoing. "We write this letter because we feel it is our duty to give a fairer representation of our professor than what was portrayed," they wrote. "We do acknowledge that our professor could have been more conscious and careful of word choice when discussing such sensitive topics. However, she has openly recognized this and apologized on more than one occasion. As a professor, she is incredibly open to criticism and, following the incident, listened to what her students had to say regarding her role in what occurred."

Here's a question: Is this a Title IX case in the making? The federal statute dealing with sexual misconduct has often been used as a weapon to police uncomfortable expression. Overzealous compliance with the Obama-era Education Department's broad interpretation of Title IX has prompted campus authorities to discourage gendered salutations, investigate professors for writing controversial essays, and give failing grades to students who made harmless comments. One can easily imagine administrators going after a student who not only took off her clothes in class but encouraged others to do the same.

I asked Cornell's Title IX office if Chai's behavior had raised red flags, or whether someone would need to file a complaint first. "The Office of the Title IX Coordinator does not opine on whether an individual's reported conduct 'could...be a Title IX infraction on its own,'" spokesperson Kareem Peat told me. "If you would like to report an incident to the Office of the Title IX Coordinator, you may do so at https://biasconcerns.cornell.edu/."

But according to the Sun, the Title IX office did contact Chai. "Chai said that although the Title IX office had contacted her regarding the incident," the paper reports, "she is not actively pursuing a case at present." This makes it sound like she was approached as a possible victim of sexual harassment, rather than a perpetrator—which suggests that Title IX officials think a professor questioning a student's appearance is a more serious matter than a student disrobing in front of her classmates.

Photo Credit: Screenshot via Letitia Chai

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  • CatoTheChipper||

    The inmates are literally running the asylum of higher education.

  • JoeBlow123||

    "As a professor, she is incredibly open to criticism and, following the incident, listened to what her students had to say regarding her role in what occurred.""

    RED GUARDS! TEACH THE PROFESSOR THE WAYS OF THE PROLETARIAT! STRUGGLE SESSION!

  • sungazer||

    The clothing fascists are scared.

  • MSimon||

    Is this a Title IX case in the mating?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I would find this far more interesting if she were hotter. No way I would have gone for her in college. There were so many hot horny chicks just coming out of the woodwork to fuck back then. I would be just fine with any of them getting down to their underwear to Preston their homework in class.

  • ||

    The Emporer's New Clothes was written by a white European dude, so of course they haven't read it. Hell, he's probably regarded as part of the patriarchy for writing Disney's version of The Little Mermaid.

  • gclancy51||

    I was incredibly angry at the article; this subsequent thread restored my faith in humanity. Thanks, patriarchy!

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Indeed, the syllabus warns students to "dress appropriately for the persona" they plan to present.

    Who's to say she didn't?

  • ||

    Who's to say she didn't?

    This is a decent point that is lacking from the article. What exactly is this class and what was her topic?

  • Cyto||

    There is a video linked through the campus article on her facebook page that explains all. Sort of.

    Anyway, she's in her underwear because she's there not as an Asian or a Woman but a human being. So she needed to be in her bra and panties.

  • damikesc||

    Are bras Asian?

    Because I think she might be appropriating culture.

  • BYODB||

    You know what is Asian?

    Valuing girls less than valuing boys.

    Whoops.

    RE: China's huge male-to-female ratio gap due to gender specific abortions.

  • damikesc||

    Looking at her...they might have a reason to do so.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Scorching,y vicious and dehumanizing racism towards any other types of Asians is also very Asian. I knew a guy whose family came from mainland China, and he to,d me that Taiwanese Chinese looked down on them.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    From the article, the class is called Acting in Public: Performance in Everyday Life. Strippers are certainly a type of performer.

    Also missing from the article is a discussion of why Chai is so angry at her dad.

  • Just Say'n||

    "why Chai is so angry at her dad"

    If you look at the picture of her in bra and panties, I think it's safe to assume that she's upset with her dad for never showing up to her softball games.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Let's not demean the softball players who, dare I say it, are achievers and strong role models for young girls.

  • ||

    Also missing from the article is a discussion of why Chai is so angry at her dad.

    Yeah, because women with good relationships with their fathers are usually so calm and levelheaded when someone critiques their outfit.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I'm just playing off the stereotype that strippers have daddy issues.

    Fact: any situation in which you find yourself critiquing your wife/girlfriend's outfit is a situation no one is getting out of unscathed, even if she explicitly asks for your opinion. About four years into my marriage i finally learned to just wait outside when my wife is getting dressed up to go somewhere.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    The hardest part for me is always to guess the correct answer to "Which of these two outfits looks better?"

  • Citizen X - #6||

    The only safe option is to quickly and discreetly swallow a bunch of cyanide.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Just tell her it doesn't matter because she looks fat in both. Eventually she may learn to stop asking.

  • Nihil||

    How many times have you been divorced?

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Who was the comedian with "It's not the dress that makes your hips look big, mama. It's your hips!"

  • Will Seth||

    Does this dress make me look fat? No dear, your huge hips and ass make you look fat.

  • fdog50||

    Q: Does this dress make me look fat? A: Compared to what?

  • Finrod||

    Make a big deal out of flipping a coin every time you get asked. She'll stop asking.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "You look fabulous in both"

  • buybuydandavis||

    "You look fabulous in both"

  • Lowdog||

    I'm just playing off the stereotype...

    Monster!

  • JuanQPublic||

    I'm just playing off the stereotype that strippers have daddy issues.

    Indeed, women are routinely pathologized by modern feminists when they aren't "thinking properly". Strippers are a low-hanging fruit.

  • ||

    About four years into my marriage i finally learned to just wait outside when my wife is getting dressed up to go somewhere.

    I everything always looks breathtaking (without hesitation or inflection). If she insists that she wants my opinion I say "OK" but then ask if we can talk about "that thing she won't let me have because I have horrible taste" first. So either "we aren't going to talk about it" or I get my lay-z-boy for the basement or girly calendar for the garage because she really does look better in the blue one with the heels. Even if she ends up going with the red one and flats... lay-z-boy, swimsuit tool calendar.

  • Pat001||

    Also missing from the article is a discussion of why Chai is so angry at her dad.

    Dad is a man - and men are responsible for everything bad that's ever happened in the history of the universe.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Well, I'm not going to come,win about girls with daddy issues. That has been an impetus for some very hot chicks to bang me over the years.

  • Ron||

    What exactly is this class and what was her topic?"

    My guess is stripper with a minor in pole dancing? I think she failed both

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    "What exactly is this class and what was her topic?"

    The class was PMA 3815 Acting in Public: Performance in Everyday Life.

    And her thesis topic was:


    Chai's thesis focuses on the integration of refugees and internally based persons into host communities by treating them as contributing members of local society rather than an exterior burden.
  • Mark22||

    "Internally based persons"? Is that like multiple personality disorder?

  • JoeBlow123||

    Haha I wonder who made up that nice word sandwich.

  • The_Hoser||

    Slavery = "All your internally based persons belong to us."

  • Ranselaer||

    And I'm sure her attire would be very well received in a community of refugees ...

  • Cynical Asshole||

    I was kind of thinking the same thing. Maybe the persona she plans to present is that of self entitled snowflake who gets triggered at the mere suggestion that she should, you know, try to dress like a respectable professional. Or maybe the persona she was trying to present was "whore."

    Either way, I'm sure she has a really bright future ahead of her outside of academia. /sarc

  • ||

    Or maybe the persona she was trying to present was "whore."

    Not to cast shade on Robby's reporting, but if she were doing a report on Lady Godiva or similar and the whole thing is 'legit'. Even the bit where Title IX investigators come in, look around, and leave saying, "Carry on."

    Not that I would approve of the whole affair and Title IX's oversight, but hardly worth burning Cornell to the ground over*.

    *Assumes value potentially not in evidence.

  • Cyto||

    I agree... but I think he's pointing out the contrast with other, lesser offenses to make a point about the arbitrary and capricious nature of Title IX hysteria.

  • BYODB||

    It was a thesis presentation, this girl isn't planning to ever leave academia.

  • Ron||

    Since she is so easily triggered it would be fun to walk by her and suggest a clothing option to see what she does

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    It's moments like this that make me so happy I have a Kindle with an on-the-go battery charger

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I would be the guy in class yelling "put it on baby!'

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I don't see what the big deal is with her presenting in her underwear. It's a bold choice, and I respect bold choices. Real libertarians don't get upset or judgy at other people's choices of attire, or lack of attire.

  • Árboles de la Barranca||

    Maybe so, but I think most would admit that red underwear would have made a bolder statement than black.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Red panties are only for
    celebrating big events.

  • Shirley Knott||

    Monthly?

  • Mark22||

    WTF is that? A clip from Idiocracy?

  • Zeb||

    Real libertarians can get judgy about whatever they want as long as they don't mean to apply force to enforce their judgements. And telling someone that other people will judge you based on how you dress is just an observation of fact.

  • MarkLastname||

    When your toddler throws a tantrum and throws off his clothes in public, my guess is you wouldn't compliment his 'bold choice,' and would be even less inclined to do so if he is still doing it in his 20s.

  • ||

    I'm glad you said this. My knee-jerk was "If by bold, you mean dumb." She didn't go the full-monty and is more modestly covered than most beachwear. So her risk is relatively low. It did less to advance her cause than it did distracting from her message and detracting from any actual thought she may've put into it so the reward is pretty shitty too. "Bold" is the wrong word.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    "I ask them to reflect for themselves and make their own decisions."

    Well there's your problem.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    American society has fetishized adolescence to the extent that it's not even considered weird anymore for a grown-ass person to collect action figures or read superhero comics, and yet someone who is barely out of their teens is supposed to just know how to act like an adult?

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    "it's not even considered weird anymore for a grown-ass person to collect action figures"

    There has never been a time when action figures were the weirdest things some adult collector collected.

    And what's wrong with being weird anyway?

    Normal is a unicorn born from the imaginations of psychotherapists who are paid to make people normal.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Nothing is wrong with weirdness per se, and i'm not saying there is (and as a libertarian, how could i?). I'm saying that childish interests and tastes and behaviors are incredibly common in people who are, temporally at least, grown-ass adult human beings. To a certain extent, that's fine too, but i think too much arrested development is implicated in a lot of the progressive desire for somebody (i.e. government) to be Everybody's Parent, among other more personal dysfunctions.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    "but i think too much arrested development is implicated in a lot of the progressive desire for somebody (i.e. government) to be Everybody's Parent, among other more personal dysfunctions."

    I saw something recently, I think it was another Reason article, but I'm not sure that said both progressives and conservatives want the government to be everybody's parent.

    The difference is that progressives want government to be mommy, nurturing and caring and handing out participation awards to everyone, and the conservatives want the government to be daddy, going out and kicking ass.

  • Microaggressor||

    Interesting theory.

    And libertarians want to be orphans.

  • MarkLastname||

    More specifically, libertarians are the psychopathickods who want to murder their parents. It's a whole movement full of Menendez brothers.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Y'all jest, but libertarians just want to be allowed to grow up.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    No, we just want mommy and daddy to recognize that we are all grown up and leave us the fuck alone. 10Q.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Not orphans. Government can visit on holidays. And then go home as soon as I'm tired of them.

  • JuanQPublic||

    The difference is that progressives want government to be mommy, nurturing and caring and handing out participation awards to everyone, and the conservatives want the government to be daddy, going out and kicking ass.

    Somewhat true, although many progressives today are authoritarians, who want more criminalization, unlike the liberals of the 60s (and some today). It really just depends on how they "feel" about a given issue, or what "identity" those involved are, and it's usually not based in evidence.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    This is spot on. I love comic books. I'm a kid at heart. I also pay my own fucking bills.

  • Ben of Houston||

    I have to agree. Comics are a mix of art and short story, perfect for the working parent who only has a little time to relax. I might not have time to read a tome like American Gods in the wee hours of the morning, but I do have the Sandman.

  • Thomas O.||

    Exactly. Who gives a shit what you do in your spare time, as long as you're being a productive member of society? I wish I had more time to play video games and pinball between work and family stuff, but at least I get my leisure whenever I can.

  • Finrod||

    As I like to say, Normal is a town in Illinois.

  • Zeb||

    Weird is great. But you have to be normal enough that other people know how to react to you if you want to get on in society. Different people need to get on in society in different ways and to different degrees, so people can make their own choices. But one needs to recognize that if you want people to treat you in certain ways, you need to behave in certain ways.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    You missed the last part of my comment. There can be no such thing as normal enough, because there is no such thing as normal. It's a unicorn thought up by people who get paid to make people normal.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    To quote Danny Reagan from "Blue Bloods" -- Normal is overrated. I have no problem whatsoever with someone who steps outside the box. Been doing it myself for years. This gal's problem is that she is so taken with herself she doesn't even understand what she's doing in any general social sense.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    it's not even considered weird anymore for a grown-ass person to collect action figures or read superhero comics

    *Puts down latest issue of Batman* Sorry, what was that? Who's weird?

  • Ben of Houston||

    Come on, who actually buys comics by the issue anymore? Trade paperbacks are superior in every conceivable way.

  • Myshkin78||

    I prefer subscriptions. It's nice to get something in the mail that isn't an advertisement or a bill.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    When presented with a challenge, the best response is to overreact to the maximum possible degree. It is known.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    It is known.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Grown-ass person

    I think the extension of the adolescent phase is part of the evolving of the human species, similar to neotony. We are basically fetalized apes. If you look at baby chimps, they look similar to human babies. Only as they get older do they develop more ape-like traits. The homonids lengthened this phase until it became the adult form. This is one of the ways new species evolve, through heterochrony. So, the lenthening of the adolescence phase could be something similar, though it is largely driven by cultural factors. But language also evolved through cultural, rather than genetic, changes, and it had a huge impact on the species. I don't know, I am just speculating, but I find this type of stuff interesting.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Specifically, i think a lengthy adolescence is driven by very recent cultural factors - it's really only a feature of wealthy post-industrial societies since the '60s or so. And, ultimately, it's a product of the choices made by individuals of what to prioritize in their own lives. Hard to say what, if any, long term results might be.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Oh, I agree, it is very recent. One long term effect will be a drop in the reproduction rate. And this is really a new biological phenomenon.

  • VinniUSMC||

    Which, let's be honest, is a good thing for the long term health of the planet, and the species. Especially if it's less whiny-ass millennials are reproducing.

  • gormadoc||

    ... now I wonder what you looked like as a baby.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    An adult chimpanzee.

  • John||

    Sorry honey, you are thin enough but only the pretty girls get to call this art.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    If I had been the professor or a student in the class, I'm not sure I could have resisted the urge to blurt something like that out. Which is why I wouldn't last a day in college now.

  • John||

    Me either. In a more civilized age, I would have been a great college professor. But not today.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    "We do acknowledge that our professor could have been more conscious and careful of word choice when discussing such sensitive topics..."

    In what universe is advising a student to dress nice when giving a presentation a "sensitive topic?" That should just be common sense.

    This of course makes it sound like she was approached as a possible victim of sexual harassment, rather than a perpetrator—which suggests that Title IX officials think a professor questioning a student's appearance is a more serious matter than a student disrobing in front of her classmates.

    The sad thing is I was thinking that knowing how Title IX bureaucrats "think" the professor was more likely to be investigated than the student stripper.

  • lafe.long||

    "To be sure, we do acknowledge that our professor could have been more conscious and careful of word choice when discussing such sensitive topics..."

  • lafe.long||

    Fixed.

  • BYODB||

    I wonder what would have been said if it were a male student that did their presentation in their underwear. I'm guessing they would have been carefully nailed to a cross and put up in front of the building as a warning.

  • Microaggressor||

    The professor just wanted to present themselves like professionals. She would have said the same thing to a boy dressed like a thug. But this snowflake, in natural feminist fashion, assumed the motive was about the patriarchy enforcing women's modesty, hence the overreaction.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    "The sad thing is I was thinking that knowing how Title IX bureaucrats "think" the professor was more likely to be investigated than the student stripper."

    It may not have been the professor they were looking to investigate.

    From the linked article in The Cornell Daily Sun:


    A male international student in the class made a comment during the discussion that the speaker has a "moral obligation" to her audience to dress conservatively during her thesis presentation, at which point Chai left the room with two students following to comfort her.
  • silver.||

    Ah. Entitled Feminist Student v. Culturally-conservative International Student.

    The classic progressive's dilemma.

  • Microaggressor||

    Wonder if it was a Muslim. Then it would make sense she had to walk out to avoid her head exploding from cognitive dissonance.

  • Ron||

    An international student who takes his studies seriously since his parents are paying his way and expect results not childish pampering with an invisible chip on the shoulder waiting for any reason to be offendid.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Oh. One of those. Wonder if Chai will now support the wall?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    She said she "stood in solidarity with people who have been asked to 'question themselves' based on others' perception of their appearances," according to The Sun.

    Thanks to the inspiration of this brave girl, the next time my wife questions my choice of clothes I'll tell her to fuck off then strip to my underwear.

  • Cyto||

    Yeah.... let me know how that works out for you.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    +5 consecutive nights sleeping on the couch

  • goneGalt||

    I like sleeping on the couch... The biggest TV is there!

    /Guy in his 60s

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    You don't already walk around in your underwear at home? Hm, the more you know.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    I'll bet your around the house underwear and your going out underwear are the same thing.

  • silver.||

    Actually my going out underwear is full of holes, while at home I wear the good stuff for the benefit of my roommates. I'm wearing pants, my underwear doesn't need to look nice.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    My grandparents used to say "Always put on clean underwear in case you get in an accident."

    I suppose this is so your underwear makes a good impression on the ER doctors.

    My response, never verbalized, to my grandparents, was: If I'm in an accident bad enough that the ER doctors are seeing my underwear, I'll have probably shit my pants.

  • ||

    which suggests that Title IX officials think a professor questioning a student's appearance is a more serious matter than a student disrobing in front of her classmates.

    So, are there any doubts as to how this would've turned out if *Mr.* Maggor had suggested she consider her appearance?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    What if the student disrobing was male?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Then we would know we are watching the LP convention.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I still can't figure out why she kept her underwear on.

  • Microaggressor||

    She's so brave, but not that brave.

  • ||

    Right, sensibly feminist, not an outright skank.

  • Ron||

    A more truth full effect to a response to a persons clothing choice would not be to strip but to use a potato sack this would be more appropriate to the discussion. Stripping only mocks her sense of self and undermines the purpose. Here other choice would have been to claim as soon as I get tenured i can afford cloths like you sir /madam

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    A more truth full effect to a response to a persons clothing choice would not be to strip but to use a potato sack

    Cultural appropriation! *frowny face*

  • Definitely Not Tulpa||

    SEXUAL ASSAULT!!

  • Cynical Asshole||

    What if "Mr." Maggor was a transsexual? What if the student disrobing was a hermaphrodite?

  • Definitely Not Tulpa||

    And what if the student put on MORE clothing in protest??

  • Just Say'n||

    If she really wanted to strike a blow against the patriarchy she would have worn a lace teddy or maybe a garter and stockings.

    Take that, men who objectify women! So brave

  • ||

    If she really wanted to strike a blow against the patriarchy she would have worn a lace teddy or maybe a garter and stockings.

    You'll note that the bra matches the panties. Which is the socially appropriate amount of supposed "Fuck the patriarchy!" without degrading yourself to "Total skank."

  • Tom Bombadil||

    As a man, I welcome women who wish to blow me or strike blows against me in this way. She's a goddamn hero.

  • Cyto||

    I will fight for the right of all 20 year old women to walk around in their underwear......

  • Tom Bombadil||

    First they came for her underwear and I said nothing....Well, actually I made whooping noises.

  • Gleep Glop||

    At Florida State, yes. Cornell, not so much...

  • Microaggressor||

    Don't forget #FreeTheNipple

  • Utility Maximizer||

    Indeed. I feel cheated that this form of protest wasn't in vogue when I was in college.

  • Cyto||

    Hey, was there ever a resolution in the Title IX investigation of Keaton Wahlbon? Your linked post says "Let's hope the university recognizes how absurd this situation is. And soon"

    That was a year and a half ago.

    According to google, this is what the papers said a year ago:

    The case was wrapped up shortly thereafter after staff in UT's Office of Equity and Diversity met with both parties involved in the case and "understood that they had resolved the situation," said UT spokeswoman Karen Simsen, who hesitated to call the response an investigation.

    But it didn't say if "resolved" meant he still got a zero. I suppose if "resolved" meant no further investigation and punishment by the university then that's a win of sorts. But you'd think they would have told him where to stick the failing grade too.

  • Longtobefree||

    Removing all or part of one's clothing for an audience is a sexual act.
    Did she get clear and continuing affirmative consent from all present for that sexual act?
    If not, Title IX violations for sure. Expulsion at a minimum.
    Anyone want to bet on that?

  • Cyto||

    You have to follow the sexual harassment rubric.

    1. Is the accused male? yes ----> guilty.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    #IBelieveHim

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Removing all or part of one's clothing for an audience is a sexual act.
    Did she get clear and continuing affirmative consent from all present for that sexual act?

    When was the last time a man objected to a woman taking her clothes off?

  • Just Say'n||

    You didn't look at the picture too well

  • Cynical Asshole||

    In the words of Ron White,"You've seen one woman naked, you want to see the rest of them naked."

    Come to think of it, the fact that she strip all the way down is the real sexual harassment offense here.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    *didn't strip all the way down*

    Tieping iz teh hardz

  • Cyto||

    I appreciated the reference. I started to pull the same clip up, but had to leave before I got to it.

    "she might be an old biker chick... hangin' down to here. Do you want to see my titties?"

    ...

    "yeah. Yeah, I do. .... Ok, that's enough. You can roll them back up now."

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    Every Amy Schumer movie...

  • Finrod||

    I'd object to just about every Democratic female politician taking their clothes off. I have no desire to turn to stone.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I asked Cornell's Title IX office if Chai's behavior had raised red flags, or whether someone would need to file a complaint first.

    TROUBLEMAKER

  • Eidde||

    "The university initiated a Title IX investigation at the request of a reporter from a right-wing magazine."

    /One of the least likely sentences to appear in a news story.

  • Ken Hagler||

    There's a whole bunch of Title IX cases in the making here--one for each man in the room who looked at the woman in her underwear. They're all in danger of being expelled for it.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    When I am in my bunk, I will be inspired by this young lady's story.

  • Eidde||

    You conservatives are just jealous that none of the students in your loyalty oath-imposing, nonsense-teaching goober factories are as cool as Cornell, which is a fine institution in the liberal/libertarian tradition.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    You forgot to log out and log back in as your Reverend Kirkland or whatever it is persona, Tulpa. /just kidding

  • Eidde||

    Now we see the BULLYING inherent in the SYSTEM.

    Coed minus clothes = faux libertarianism

  • MarkLastname||

    Or, maybe Kirkland forgot to sign out of his Eddie persona.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Eiddie is enslaving in some satire.

  • ||

    This seems like as good a time as any to reminisce about Brenna Spencer's graduation photo.

  • μ Aggressor||

    nice

  • Hank Phillips||

    Doubleplus nice.

  • csuprenant||

    People graduate from college without good reading comprehension, writing skills, math skills, a knowledge of history. People graduate from college without having developed the ability to manage their time, their priorities, without learning to be responsible for themselves. Certainly not all people, and certainly not at all colleges!

    My solution to that, and serendipitously, a measure that would roll a lot of this campus idiocy up and away is to make college A GREAT DEAL HARDER. Fifteen credits a semester. One grace semester or your don't earn a degree. The core curriculum in liberal arts and sciences that truly made America great and produced generation after generation of thoughtful and hard workers, scholars, researchers and people.

    I took 15 credit hours per semester in physics, chemistry, computer science, math, literature and philosophy. Oh, and history, too. My parents would have accepted no less than my best effort to get value for our family's money. I wouldn't have had much time to make a thing over some professor's comment on my appearance and to mock convention by presenting in my skivvies. I would have been too concerned about learning, about doing well, about achieving, and about moving on. Oh, by the way, my HR department would be Googling and would find this woman's youthful indiscretion. We wouldn't spend one of our precious positions on someone who showed us any sign of not working and playing well with others.

    Think, people!

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    *raises hand*

    Will there be any leeway given to people who are working full-time jobs while attending school?

  • Gleep Glop||

    In years past, if you majored in History you still had to take Calculus. Today's curriculum is so watered down that a student can literally get a bachelor's degree without any higher math at all.

    If you look at any math department's website, the number of sections of "Introductory Math" is incredible.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Today's curriculum is so watered down that a student can literally get a bachelor's degree without any higher math at all.

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    PS - I'm working towards completing my BS in IT which doesn't require a higher level math course. I am the monster you despise.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Are you getting a CS degree? If you can, I recommend doing that. Opens a lot of doors.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    BS in IT Management. I'd rather be telling the CS majors where they can stick their precious degrees.

  • Longtobefree||

    You might be taught how to manage IT, but I can tell you from 45 years of experience, you cannot manage programmers - - - - -
    BS is right.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    BS is right.

    Yeah, in IT they pretty much all are. I've been working for 22 years without a degree and I'm only getting one because it's just expected these days.

  • Finrod||

    Managing programmers or sysadmins is like herding cats-- I should know, I'm one of the cats.

  • Zeb||

    I'm a firm believer that everyone should learn basic calculus. It's really not that hard and is so fundamental to everything. Even if you forget how to actually solve any problems. the concepts are really useful.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    I'm a firm believer that everyone should learn basic calculus

    Yeah but you're a nerd. I'm a firm believer that everyone should study philosophy and that ain't happening either.

  • Finrod||

    My liberal arts college has a philosophy requirement but not a calculus requirement

  • BYODB||

    Hilariously I work in a finance department and I basically took shapes and colors math from the local community college to graduate.

    No one has ever asked me in an interview 'so what math's have you taken'? Bizarre, but true. I have been asked how I am at Excel though.

  • BYODB||

    Although in fairness I did take Statistics and College Algebra because, apparently, everyone needed those classes for some reason. I wasn't going to fucking take Calculus though, I refused. I went to an engineering school (sort of) and their Cal professors were...not very interested in teaching non-engineers.

  • Ben of Houston||

    I'm an engineer, and I very rarely actually use calculus. It's just not needed very often. How often in the real world can you actually find the formula for a function.

    Now, the theory of calculus is useful for higher level sciences. However, calculus itself is simply not useful very often.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Calculus defines things like energy, work, power, to say nothing of volume and area. It is easier to set up a triple integral in polar coordinates, find the volume of a sphere, differentiate that for the surface area than to remember either formula or derive them by other methods. Calculus summarizes concepts and makes math easier and physics possible.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Or you could just drop the government subsidies.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    15 credits? I had to take 18 credits each semester just to graduate in 4 years as an engineer. That's without electives.

  • silver.||

    Our senior year was 15 credits instead of the usual 17/18 so you could retake up to two failed classes before graduation. Or slack off if you didn't :)

    It was the only program requiring 130 credits instead of 120, too.

    Still, many of my friends who majored in business, psychology, etc. had full 15 credit-hour semesters, but the workload was extremely light such that I'd say they spent maybe 20hrs a week on school altogether, including homework and projects. For tests you could just look at the dates in the syllabus, get all of the previous years' tests, memorize them the night before the exam, and forego class until the next one. Plenty did it in the engineering school, too. We had professors taking attendance in 400-level courses, making homework worth 30% of our grade, and outright banning all electronic devices just to try to instill some knowledge in these dumbass kids before they got thrown into the real world.

    That's probably the worst of the worst, but I can guarantee you that most aren't much better. College is completely broken. Even getting a "real" degree isn't worth the money.

    /weekly anti-college rant

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    15 credits? I had to take 18 credits each semester just to graduate in 4 years as an engineer.

    That's one of the ways colleges are siphoning more money out of students--by requiring additional courses to graduate. It used to be that you could graduate with 120 credits, but colleges figured out that by demanding additional major-related courses, and inconsistently scheduling the ones you needed to graduate, they forced you to either spend additional money each semester taking more courses, or deal with the annual 5-10% tuition increases if you decided to stretch out your program of study an another semester or two instead. Either way, they win, because they're getting the money regardless.

  • Trainer||

    "...generation after generation of thoughtful and hard workers, scholars, researchers and people."

    College is to blame for lack of decent workers, researchers and people. The generations before mine (I'm 56) generally didn't go to college. My dad was an engineer who dropped out of high school to join the Navy. A friend's dad was a geologist for an oil company and he didn't have a high school diploma either. I could go on but you get the idea. College was for people who didn't do real work or went into medicine and law. Most people reached a certain age, found a job and worked their way up through gaining experience.

  • JoeBlow123||

    "My solution to that, and serendipitously, a measure that would roll a lot of this campus idiocy up and away is to make college A GREAT DEAL HARDER."

    Disagree. College should be cheaper, not harder.

  • gaoxiaen||

    I would give priority to hiring women who work in their underwear.

  • damikesc||

    I said "Yeah, that'll show them" when I read the headline.

    Seeing the photos...ugh. That is a punishment that should be considered a war crime.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    If she left her underwear on, the patriarchy still wins. The only way she can *truly* put the patriarchy in its place is to do this nude.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    That is exactly what I was thinking. That will show those men. Literally show them everything they want to see.

    A+++

  • DFG||

    From the linked article in the story:

    "However, according to Chai, the incident worsened after Maggor came out of the theater. She asked Chai what her mother would think of Chai's clothing decision, to which Chai responded, "My mom is a feminist, gender and sexuality studies professor. She's fine with my shorts."

    That explains a lot right there. I'm sure she'll follow in mom's footsteps.

  • Bretzky||

    Asking adults to act like adults is apparently now a human rights violation.

  • Longtobefree||

    According to the article, it was asking children to act like adults. With the expected result.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    College students, are supposed to be adults already.

  • Longtobefree||

    Indeed, the syllabus warns students to "dress appropriately for the persona" they plan to present.

    So wouldn't dressing in a three piece suit and wingtips have been a more effective way of 'sticking it to the man'?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The student was attempting to strike a blow against the patriarchy, repudiating her media arts professor's advice to dress up for the presentation.

    But dicks out is too far?

  • Mickey Rat||

    Chai's action is the rejection of civility. The problem for her is, out beyond college, people are going to judge you based on how you act and present yourself. If she is going to throw a hissy fit every time someone asks her to act with decorum, professionalism and politeness, she us going to have a very hard life.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    It was a genius move on her part.
    She can't be graded harshly, lest she complain about being judged for her appearance. The elite at the University will undoubtedly rule in her favor.
    It is often similar in the work environment; average skilled women dress prevocatively in meetings to give them an out if their work isn't up to par.

  • Finrod||

    Even better, employers who google her will find out about this and the ones that are clueful will quietly roundfile her application.

  • CDRSchafer||

    Who wouldn't want to hire an HR grievance/lawsuit waiting to happen? We have lots of open positions here for that.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Finally, some modern feminism I can get behind.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "We do acknowledge that our professor could have been more conscious and careful of word choice when discussing such sensitive topics.

    To be sure...

  • Zeb||

    Jesus Christ, we are social creatures. How other people perceive us is extremely important. You can choose to not give a fuck, but you bear the social consequences of your actions. There is no way you can remake society where other people's perceptions won't matter. What the fuck do these people want?

    Seems like a lot of the problem is that people spend too much time worrying about how things should be in an ideal world (and libertarians are certainly guilty of this too) and not enough worrying about how to get on in the world that actually exists. It's a flawed, but really pretty good world if you live in a stable and productive country.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Respect my privacy, stay out of my room and... hey, what's for dinner?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    On a serious note, Jordan Peterson speaks to this at length during some of his lectures-- he talks about how humans play games with each other all the time. That children playing games is a way of socializing him. He points out to the room full of attendees that by being there, they're playing a game. They all sit at their seats, they face forward, they listen to the speaker-- that this act is a kind of game with implied rules, and the existence of those games is what keeps us from tearing each other to pieces.

  • Zeb||

    Yeah, I've been watching those lectures too. I think that guy really gets it.

    Our culture and society may not be perfect, but we need a culture and a society that works. And ours works pretty well. You don't try to tear that down unless you are damn sure you have something better that will replace it (or you just want to make things suck, or you're an idiot).

  • ||

    You don't try to tear that down unless you are damn sure you have something better that will replace it (or you just want to make things suck, or you're an idiot).

    Man has got to know his limitations.

  • Agammamon||

    Chai stripped again during her actual senior thesis presentation, in front of students and professors. She said she "stood in solidarity with people who have been asked to 'question themselves' based on others' perception of their appearances,"


    https://youtu.be/x_9hYMVVv_Q?t=30

    Casual Fucking Friday.
  • Elias Fakaname||

    Is it all going to turn into an Adam Ant song?

  • Juice||

    Kind of a funny way to present a senior thesis on quantum electrodynamics, but you gotta do what you gotta do to make an impression in this world.

  • Marcus Aurelius||

    Or guarantee you'll be graded on your curves...

  • Earth Skeptic||

    And nobody whipped out a handfull of singles?

  • mtrueman||

    "One can easily imagine administrators going after a student who not only took off her clothes in class, but encouraged others to do the same."

    It's difficult to imagine a journalist who makes no attempt to get on the phone and interview the student, with or without her clothes.

  • Definitely Not Tulpa||

    Best troll response would be to stand up and loudly shout "I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS!! STOP SEXUALLY ASSAULTING ME!!" and then claim that this display is biased against your sincere convictions in the Faith of Islam.

  • Definitely Not Tulpa||

    Oh, and then claim your sudden outburst should count as your own presentation, and close off the whole thing with a #metoo

  • Elias Fakaname||

    It would be even better if the shouting individual were also masturbatimg openly during their outburst.

  • Ron||

    Up is down, down is up, its an Al Gore world folks. Facts are only Facts when the right people say they are it is very O'rwellian indeed

  • Benitacanova||

    Even before clicking on this I knew the girl would be oriental. Visions of being in normal clubs where asian girls engage in exaggerated sexual behavior as if they were in a strip joint. It must be a cultural thing.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    More likely they're 2nd or 3rd-generation immigrants who've marinated in a lot of the "hate YT, hate the western world" curriculums being taught in schools. I certainly don't recall seeing this kind of behavior from native East Asians when I was overseas.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    If anyone had catcalled her, would that have been #MeToo harassment?

  • Mark22||

    The student was attempting to strike a blow against the patriarchy

    I'm no expert on the heterosexual cis-male psyche, but I believe the patriarchy is quite appreciative of 20 something women parading around in their underwear and likes to be blown in any way possible.

  • Curly4||

    Well she would not be judged by what she said anyway.

  • geo||

    So if her Senior Thesis was presented in bra and panties, which one of those will she give up for her Master's Thesis, and which one for her PhD dissertation?

  • Curly4||

    Why stop at the underwear? She should went for broke and pulled of the underwear also because wearing those she was also allowing herself to be controlled by what other think.

  • Devastator||

    because she made her point without overexciting the sexual perverts who can't think past their sexual organs.

  • Hank Phillips||

    I'm betting 90% (162) of the above comments are left by girl bullying mystical conservatives commenting on someone's lack of muscle tone.

  • Mark22||

    You got me! As a gay man, my criticism of women's outfits is merciless (and that outfit really doesn't work for Chai). And I'm not into wimpy men either.

  • ||

    He's not actually betting and he hasn't actually read the comments, plenty of which are very supportive of a women in their underwear.

    I think he's demonstrating a... position... that would be intrinsically enhanced by the abject inclusion of female nudity. With a little work and a little more female flesh, he could almost convince me to try a different brand of beer.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Hank's comments are obscure ramblings about looters and abortion and his bigotry towards people who hold any religious views. Probably made from a computer in a mental institution.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Hank, how ,did you know that I am a master of the mystic arts? Studied for years in Kamar Taj

    Vishanti be praised! May you receive the light of Aggamato himself.

  • ||

    Apparently professors have lost all authority. And students seem to let morons do whatever without opposing their delusion.

  • M2inOR||

    One has only one chance to make a positive first impression.

    Good luck to her in her pursuit of employment after graduation, and may she secure a well-paying job to pay back the loans that funded her education.

  • Devastator||

    Good for her. Fuck people who worry about dress code rather than content. She's not shallow, her fucking audience is.

  • Miter Broller||

    So, this child will presumably find gainful employment once the indoctrination ends. Will this be her knee-jerk reaction to the employer's dress code? The real world is going to hit her hard, me thinks!

  • ||

    Will this be her knee-jerk reaction to the employer's dress code?

    To be fair, there are plenty of employers willing to accommodate her personal dress code and my yet-unpublished exhaustive research indicates it's not an uncommon way for Slavic immigrants and naive country girls to pay their way through nursing school.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I know some places where she can make over a thousand dollars a week if that is her reaction to a dress code.

  • BigT||

    Looks like she got a AA.

  • Agnes||

    She took off her clothes because the professor criticized her. Aren't professors supposed to critique? She thought about the patriarchy bullshit after the fact to make her choice seem like it had meaning.

    Had she come in the classroom already undressed, I would 'get' it. I understand disagreeing with the professor or making a comment afterwards, but what the hell are you paying $50,000 + to someone of higher training and education if you can't handle their coaching and positive criticism?

    I've noticed in our culture, how people will out a lot of thought into their appearance when they want to be seen, but they put no effort in when your appearance really matters. Hell, I don't even go to church regularly, but when I do, I wear a dress to show respect. It's a respect issue - not a patriarchy issue.

    I'm sure she'll now be rewarded with an interview in Lenny or the Rolling Stone and probably be offered a cushy job.

  • J Mann||

    I had mocked redpill, but I guess they have a point. The professor negged this student once, and she immediately took off her clothes!

  • Sharon Presley||

    Too bad most of the comments below are made by immature boys who need to grow up. Soave, as usual when it has anything to do with women or feminism, doesn't quite get the point. While i don't agree with how she tried to make her point, I sympathize with her intent. We certainly have too much concern with appearance in this culture.I can understand why she didn't want to be told what to wear.

    But I'm a psychologist and I think about how others are going to perceive the situation. Therefore I act accordingly. Wearing cutoff jeans shouldn't matter but the truth is, it does. However I hope there are no bad repercussions for this student. She was clearly sincere and no one was hurt.

  • CDRSchafer||

    The problem too many people have these days is this nit noid attention and outrage for things they really cannot change. And that don't matter much anyway in the grand scheme of things.

    Of course people are judged by appearance. It's ingrained in us biologically, to discern quickly whether someone looks threatening, sexy, ,helpless, etc.

    Adults accept reality and move on. Silly people believe they are the first and only ones to see what everyone else already knows and chooses not to make a federal case about.

  • JoeB||

    I'm totally digging the Buddha pose, complete with cute little paunch.

  • Gasman||

    Non-verbal actions are 'speech', flag burning, writing, tweeting, t-shirts bearing slogans, and the like.

    So is one's mode of dress when attempting to make a persuasive argument. If you want to be taken seriously, speak in a manner that resonates with your audience, both with your words, diction, and personal presentation. She shouted volumes with her sartorial choice, and if her professors should find that the content of her verbal presentation was drowned out by the content of her visual presentation, then they would be justified in granting her an F.

    She is in for a rude awakening if she can ever land a job. What HR department is going to take a chance on someone who thinks it is appropriate to give a high level presentation in underwear?

  • Carter Mitchell||

    I expect that if she continues this tradition when interviewing for jobs that she'll be living with her parents and collecting food stamps for quite awhile.

    On the other hand, it sounds as if she could have a bright future in adult entertainment.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Of under her boss' desk.

  • Pat001||

    Imagine if the prof had ordered her to deliver her presentation wearing nothing but her bra and panties.

  • vek||

    I think we need to start using the mechanisms of control to troll the leftist idiots... That is the only way they MAY realize how stupid all this nonsense is.

    That said, prosecute her and expel her from school as a sexual deviant!!!

  • oncefallendotcom||

    I thought she made $69 per hour on the street corner.

  • SJW_Skeptic||

    In the mid 1970's "Dress for success" was published the central thesis was dress for the job you want. I'm guessing exotic dancer rather than government funded beurocrat. But perhaps I'm misinterpreting the dress. I'm sure the expectations of government work have changed over the last 30 years and wearing underwear is now acceptable business attire for this type of presentation /s

  • Rogue6||

    A truly courageous act by a young lady – excuse me, I mean by a person who apparently habitually wears two articles of underclothing – striking out against The Patriarchy (which is not to imply that the persons who are a part of The Patriarchy are actually members of any particular gender, since gender is merely a social construct, even though the existence of the gender-loaded word "Patriarchy" demonstrates the inherent bias of language against women if, that is, there were such a thing as "women," which there obviously aren't.).

  • oncefallendotcom||

    Her name should be censored. le-TIT-ia. I feel violated just reading it.

  • Duelles||

    Her mistake was not to strip down in a gender neutral fashion. I starting to get it now.

  • Banake||

    This is in the "MOST VISITED". I wonder why. ;-)

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    This sounds like a load of nothing. So there was a discussion and it all sounds quite civilised. No kangaroo court, no witchhunt, no threats. I would guess the round table discussion was a bore, but presumably not a mandatory one. It sounds like an interesting day in class, anyhow.

    I'm wary of convenient charaterizations of certain persons relating to politically charged topics. Robby's work on Title IX and campus free speech is generally pretty good, but this doesn't seem such a huge deal; just some run-of-the-mill second wave feminism in response to a stuffy old (relative terms) professor. Just clickbait because 20yo in her underwear.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "On what planet is this not a violation of Title IX, the federal anti-harassment statute that so many college administrators cite when cracking down on problematic, sexually charged behavior?"

    On Planet "It's Only Bad When Men Do It"

  • Butler T. Reynolds||

    If you can't find oppression, you have to invent it yourself.

  • Rockabilly||

    Sorry - not sexy, not sexy at all...

    next!

  • GeorgeBray||

    She is good!) Very brave girl. I think all people need to stand for own rights. Unfortunately, sometimes society does not understand this. In my essay writer service, we know how to write and fight for rights.

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