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Democrats Cling to Collusion as Explanation for Clinton's Loss in New Lawsuit Against Russia, Hackers, and Trump Campaign: Reason Roundup

Plus: anti-hate law used against anti-hate protesters, the "food desert" myth persists, and courts consider sports gambling and possibly racist redistricting

Democrats are suing over alleged Trump-Russia collusion. The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has filed a civil lawsuit against Donald Trump's presidential campaign, Russia, and anonymous entities who "hacked" DNC emails and handed them over to WikiLeaks.

DNC Chairman Tom Perez told ABC News Sunday that the purpose was to prevent Russian interference in the 2018 midterm election. It's unclear how, exactly, this is supposed to work.

The leaked DNC emails "produced no evidence that the primaries had been skewed—states and state parties, not the DNC, control primaries and caucuses," notes The Washington Post. "But numerous conspiracy theories grew out of the email hack."

The new DNC lawsuit, filed in federal court on Friday, claims that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in a wide-ranging plot that includes WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and many others. None of the allegations in the DNC's suit are new. But Perez told ABC that he was not concerned the DNC suit would interfere with special councel Robert Mueller's investigation into the same. He also said he was "confident that we will get a jury trial."

Trump's campaign has called the DNC suit "frivolous" and "baseless," based on a "bogus Russian collusion claim" and "filed by a desperate, dysfunctional, and nearly insolvent Democratic Party." (President Trump tweeted Friday that the Democrats were suing "the Republicans for Winning.")

Even those who might disagree on the Russian collusion claims being "baseless" are questioning why the official apparatus of the Democratic Party is making this move right now. Obama strategist David Axelrod called the suit "spectacularly ill-timed" and worried that it would give fodder to claims that the Russia-Trump investigation is nothing more than "a partisan vendetta."

Others have pointed out that the DNC suit might not even be allowed. It names Russia itself, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (GRU), and whoever was behind Guccifer 2.0—the "lone Romanian hacker" who took credit for the DNC email hack and was later found to have logged in via a GRU computer—as defendants, charging these entities with violating six U.S. laws and several Washington, D.C., and Virginia laws.

"Typically, foreign sovereign nations are immune from suit in the United States under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA)," points out Ingrid Wuerth at the Lawfare blog.

But are Russia, the GRU, and the GRU operatives entitled to that immunity? The case has the potential to generate a wide-ranging, blockbuster immunity decision with implications for various interpretive questions under the FSIA....It also raises important questions of international law, some of which I note in the brief overview that follows.

Of course, these questions will only arise if Russia and the state-related defendants are properly served and if they decide to litigate rather than default. Default is especially likely for Guccifer 2.0, whose identity is unknown and who may have less to fear from a default judgment. Even for the other defendants, however, execution of a judgment in the case may be difficult due to execution-related immunity and for other reasons such as the location of assets. If the case does goes forward against any of these defendants, immunity from adjudication is a threshold issue that will be litigated at the outset. Both statutory and common law immunity provide a jurisdictional (not a substantive) defense, and the appropriate scope of jurisdictional discovery may become an important issue after the complaint is served.

In any event, the lawsuit demonstrates Democrats' absolute commitment to pawning Hillary Clinton's loss off on nefarious outside forces and their refusal to undertake the kind of post-2016 election reflection that could actually boost their party's chances of electoral success.

FREE MINDS

Emily Molli/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/NewscomEmily Molli/NurPhoto/Sipa USA/NewscomAnti-Nazi protesters arrested for wearing masks. A Georgia law passed to punish Ku Klux Klan members in the 1950s was just dusted off by local cops targeting anti-Nazi protesters. The law prohibits people from wearing masks at public events. On Saturday, anti- National Socialist Movement demonstrators—some masked—showed up to protest a neo-Nazi rally taking place in a park in Newnan, Georgia. Several protesters were arrested and charged with violating the old anti-Klan law (a misdemeanor).

"We were peacefully protesting, yet they put guns in our faces and told us to take our masks off," said one of those arrested, 19-year-old Jeremy Ortega. "It made no sense." Ortega said they wore masks to prevent the Nazi ralliers from recognizing them and seeking future retribution.

Georgia Bureau of Investigation Director Vernon Keenan told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: "We maintained security. We would not let there be disorder. We didn't have civil disorder, property damage. And we had just a few arrests. We are absolutely satisfied."

FREE MARKETS

Food desert myths refuse to die. Tulsa, Oklahoma, has a novel plan to help low-income residents who are struggling to make ends meet and to find access to healthy and affordable food options: Ban stores that sell discounted food and household goods in low-income areas. What?

The newly passed plan alleges that because discount stores like Family Dollar and Dollar General offer only frozen and processed food, they are somehow "tak[ing] advantage of low-income, undeserved communities with few healthy food options," according to the New York City Food Policy Center at Hunter College. Advocates for the change say that the presence of these dollar stores prevents grocery stores selling healthier food from moving in.

This theory has been debunked time and time again. A lot of cities have tried to limit the number of fast-food restaurants or bodegas and convenience stores under the theory that they were either preventing healthier food establishments from moving in or enticing residents to make unhealthy choices. But analysis of these policies has shown that the "food desert" concept was flawed to begin with—and that in the absence of the businesses driven from low-income neighborhoods, new and more desirable businesses did not rush to fill in the gap and residents did not report significant changes to their food consumption.

QUICK HITS

  • A shooter at a Tennessee Waffle House restaurant managed to kill four people before another patron, James Shaw Jr., was able to wrestle the gun away from him. The shooter, thought to be 29-year-old Travis Reinking, fled the Waffle House and is still at large.

  • Did Texas deliberately redraw political district lines in order to diminish the impact of black and Hispanic Texas voters? The U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments this week in the case, which dates back to 2011.

  • Homeschooling is on the rise in black communities in America. "In the last 15 years, the number of black children in homeschool has doubled from 103,000 to about 220,000," reports PBS.

  • New Jersey's Supreme Court is expected to decide this week whether to legalize sports gambling. "If legalized by the court, sports gambling could bring in roughly $9 billion in annual revenue to the state," notes the New York Post.

  • Homeland Security has been investigating drug-selling strippers since 2016 in order to make nine low-level arrests.

  • "Folks are only concerned right now about the [Facebook and Cambridge Analytica] story because they think it could have swung the elections or that they can be mind controlled, and that's not a real worry," Aleksandr Kogan, the man whose app collected data for Cambridge Analytica, tells BuzzFeed.

  • "If Trump truly cared about victims of human trafficking, he would put an end to his ongoing assault on immigrants."

  • CIA Director Mike Pompeo faces senators this week in his quest to become Trump's next secretary of state.

  • Contra Trump's Twitter feed, North Korea has not agreed to denuclearization.

  • Twenty wedding guests, mostly women and children, were killed by a Saudi-led airstrike in Yemen. Several dozen others were hospitalized with wounds.

  • President Trump is confident that his lawyer Michael Cohen won't "flip" on him.

  • HBO's robot revenge thriller meets philosophical treatise Westworld returned last night.

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Looks like a certain Reasonworld host got back on her narrative: BEING LATE.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    But but but it says "9:30"!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Doesn't look like anything to me.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    "Etiquette" must be Dolores's nickname.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Fist says "Doesn't look like anything to me." everytime Mrs. Fist discovers his porn stash and says "Eugene, what the hell is this?"

  • Citizen X - #6||

    She lets it slide, because she doesn't want him sniffing around after HER porns.

  • ||

    Hello.

  • TuIpa||

    "BEING LATE"

    God what a stupid fucking thing to care or joke about.

    "buh buh buh THEY HAVE TO BE ON TIME!!! I'M NOT KIDDING EVEN THOUGH I TRY TO PRETEND IM KIDDING!! AND 9:30 IS THE CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED TIME!! I SAID SO!!!"

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    It's fun to have another deranged douchebag around.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    You misspelled "boring and obnoxious."

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    How can something be simultaneously boring and obnoxious?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    It's not easy, but Tulpa has skills, or perhaps their opposite.

  • The_Hoser||

    So you've never watched The View then?

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    If I have, it was probably so boring that I tuned it out befoee it got obnoxious. Or possibly it was the other way round.

    See what I mean? How can it be both?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    But you got the Westworld tie-in, right? It's huge right now.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    THANK you.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    A shooter at a Tennessee Waffle House restaurant managed to kill four people before another patron, James Shaw Jr., was able to wrestle the gun away from him.

    Good guy WITHOUT a gun. This is a wafflehouse shooting, why is it big news again?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    That half-naked perp got Scattered & Smothered, Covered & Chunked.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I wouldn't order sausage at that Waffle House for about a year.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    ^ this guy gets it.

  • Jerryskids||

    She missed THE important part of the story, the only reason it's a story at all - the shooter was using a fully semi-automatic AK-47 military assault weapon of mass destruction, which we must ban in order to stop all the violence or else we hate children. You know how many weekends there are in Chicago where 4 people get shot to death and nobody gives a shit because it's just Negroes killing each other and what can you expect out of sub-human trash who, through no fault of their own, are incapable of acting like - and therefore can't be judged by the standards of - white people, unless you're a racist as well as a child-hater?

  • Don't look at me.||

    It's all because there isn't any organic kale in their neighborhood market.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    ""Good guy WITHOUT a gun"'

    If the good guy had a gun, we wouldn't have a man hunt looking for the shooter.

    I applaud Shaw. Sure, he said he did it for selfish reasons. But going hand to hand against a rifle is pretty ballsy.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    Once you're in arms reach, the rifle is pretty much useless as anything more than a club.

  • ace_m82||

    Ah, no, it isn't. It's a "club" that the person with the trigger just has to wait until it points at a portion of his opponent's body to kill/severely injure his opponent and win the fight.

    Hand to hand against a rifle is ballsy.

  • TLBD||

    If what he did is for selfish reasons, then everything we do is for selfish reasons. Which is true, but really just philosophical and irrelevant.

    Shaw is a badass, either way. The ability to think clearly under pressure is not a very common trait.

  • Karen24||

    Definitely a badass, and he will have the scars to prove it. He got a nasty burn on his hand from grabbing the barrel.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    This is why I always carry an oven mitt.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Elizabeth Nolan Brown|April 23, 2018 9:30 am

    LIES

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    ENB threw some extra round-up in. Consider yourself lucky.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    She's still not going to sleep with you, you gross-ass creepster.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Did Texas deliberately redraw political district lines in order to diminish the impact of black and Hispanic Texas voters?

    Accidentally seems like a stretch.

  • Rhywun||

    This is just a shot in the dark, but... I'm going to guess that what actually happened was they redrew the lines to favor Republicans. You know, like every state redraws their lines after every census to favor the party currently in power.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Naww.

  • Gilbert Martin||

    Strange how that sort of gerrymandering only became a problem after Republicans started taking over state houses.

    Where I live in Tennessee, the Democrats controlled the state legislature for many decades. Their gerrymandering was just business as usual.

    It only started generating hand wringing from the media after the GOP took over .

    Funny how that works.

  • Rhywun||

    And because Dems just assume their minorities vote 100% for them, they make a convenient hammer to bludgeon their enemies with. It must be nice to feel so loved by the Party.

  • Mickey Rat||

    You have to create majority-minority districts but not too majority-minority so as to actually disadvantage Democrats elsewhere. You have mutually exclusive goals, but it mmyst always be remembered that maps that favor the GOP are threats to democracy itself. Maps that favor Democrats are just how the political game is played.

  • Zeb||

    You have to create majority-minority districts

    Isn't that, you know, kinda racist?

  • Devastator||

    Yes they did. Computer algorithms should be drawing the boundaries and then a board of human reviewers from both parties should tells us why they think that they're unfair mathematically rather than in the interest of their party. Gerrymandering happens in every state

  • MarkLastname||

    Doesn't solve anything. There's no 'natural' way that draw district lines. One way to deal with that is if you want to have, say, 40 representatives, divide the state into five districts and have each send 8 reps, allocated according to party representation within the district. This allows for both a measure of geographical representation and party representation. These two forms of representation are almost inevitable at odds with each other though.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    Wasn't Texas involved with a gerrymandering suit back in Tom Delay's days?

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    Is there any state that hasn't been involved in a gerrymandering suit?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Homeland Security has been investigating drug-selling strippers since 2016 in order to make nine low-level arrests.

    Well, i certainly feel safer.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    I wonder what the level two task will be.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Not after that tranny lap-dace, I don't.

  • The_Hoser||

    "Where have you been hiding these drugs, and why do they smell like cheap perfume and Tuna Helper?"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Homeschooling is on the rise in black communities in America.

    Maybe school vouchers will make its way onto the Democrat platform.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    There is nothing like paying taxes for shitty schools that you don't use to turn someone libertarianish.

  • Eidde||

    ...or into a supporter of getting one's "fair share" of spending.

  • Griffin3||

    Grr.

  • gaoxiaen||

    How else will the kids learn to peddle crack and smack, while earning less than working at McDonald's?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Twenty wedding guests, mostly women and children, were killed by a Saudi-led airstrike in Yemen.

    Only twenty? Amateurs.

    /USAF

  • Tom Bombadil||

    Why couldn't it just be twenty dead men? WHHYYYY?

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    Because they hit a wedding. I don't think there are any Mid-Eastern countries that allow same sex marriage.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Why are people still going to weddings in the Middle East? At this point, it is safer to go sky diving while riding a motorcycle.

  • The Last American Hero||

    I saw that scene in Cannoball Run.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    My hair piece!

  • MarkLastname||

    They probably figure, I'm getting married, so my life is basically over anyway.

  • Conchfritters||

    Did the pilots get Maseratis when they landed?

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    Peace be upon them.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    New Jersey's Supreme Court is expected to decide this week whether to legalize sports gambling.

    What are the odds?

  • Don't look at me.||

    And the only perceived benefit is tax income.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Good point. We should be able to bet on Supreme Court decisions.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Homeland Security has been investigating drug-selling strippers since 2016 in order to make nine low-level arrests.

    Nine low-level arrests but countless high-level agent boners.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Pretty sad that Reason is still pushing the disinformation that the DNC servers were "hacked into", when the truth is that the information was copied and leaked by Seth Rich. How's the search for his "real killer" coming along by the way?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    George Soros and the Coalition of Evil won't let them go off script. Come on, dude, you know this.

  • Devastator||

    Ah more conspiracy theories, gotta love 'em.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    All conspiracy theories are the product of a CIA disinformation campaign.

    /metaconspiracy

  • MarkLastname||

    Pff, thats just a conspiracybtheory cooked up by the NSA to get their hands on CIA funding.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    "'How's the search for his "real killer" coming along by the way?"'

    The trail is colder than Hillary's soul.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Her soul is one giant Bose-Einstein condensate, if that warm.

  • CDRSchafer||

    I think she sold it to Satan to win the election and he got the last laugh.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    She only thought it was Satan, she really sold her soul to Donald Trump. It's an easy mistake to make.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    You people are so wrong. Hillary Clinton IS Satan, and what most people don't realize is that the 2016 election actually came down to a fiddle contest at the crossroads at midnight.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I guess Trump became president, because he already had a gold plated fiddle.

  • The Last American Hero||

    It's going about as well as OJ's search for Nicole Brown Simpson's real killer.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Folks are only concerned right now about the [Facebook and Cabridge Analytica] story because they think it could have swung the elections or that they can be mind controlled, and that's not a real worry...

    IT'S THE REALEST WORRY. Next to Russia.

  • Rhywun||

    And by "folks" he means "the mainstream media but only after the 2016 election".

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Democrats Cling to Collusion as Explanation for Clinton's Loss in New Lawsuit Against Russia, Hackers, and Trump Campaign
    All the evidence you really need that the Democratic Party is finished as a major political party.

    I cannot wait until the defendants in this lawsuit get to depose Hillary Clinton and other DNC hacks under oath. It will be a bloodbath and Trump will not pardon any of those Democrat scumbags for their crimes.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    More interesting would be if Trump were to pardon them all before the investigation. Then the 5th Amendment right to avoid self-incrimination would no longer be available.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    LOL. "finished as a major political party"

    The Democrats will win the House in November and the Presidency in 2020. No amount of Russian hacking will save the Rethuglicans this time, not with Drumpf ruining the country.

  • Nardz||

    Meh
    C

  • Cy||

    K

  • Tom Bombadil||

    They really did not think this through. They are basically saying, "come look through all our private shit".

  • Devastator||

    I think you'll see in the Fall how they are "finished". Just like everyone declaring the end of the Republican party a couple of years ago lmao. We are set up for a 2 party system right now, the system forces it to be so.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Its a great time for Libertarians to fill that void left by the Democratic Party.

    The GOP will push religious policies, foreign interventions, no fiscal restraint, and the Nanny-State.

    The LP will push fiscal restraint, small and limited government, social freedoms, and NAP.

    The tiny Democratic Party will push socialism and identity politics.

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    "The LP will push fiscal restraint, small and limited government, social freedoms, and NAP."

    Say what now?

    ~Nick Sarwark

  • loveconstitution1789||

    After the LP changes it political platform that is.

  • DesigNate||

    From your keyboard to God's ears.
    As it were.

  • The Last American Hero||

    But how are 30 people going to replace a political machine that is very viable in large coastal cities?

  • Mickey Rat||

    So the Democrats are claiming they were havked but the documents leaked are not true?

    If someone is going to falsify your documents, then they don't need to hack you.

  • damikesc||

    I am curious if the suit discusses why they refused to allow the FBI to investigate. You'd think that if you were hacked, that might be a route to take.

    Or how the DNC was notoriously lax on security (That Chiozick writer said she found Podesta's aide's cell in the bathroom and one day and left it there as calendar info et all was going off).

  • CatoTheChipper||

    The DNC's filing says nothing of its refusal to cooperate with the FBI.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    HBO's robot revenge thriller meets philosophical treatise Westworld returned last night.

    Spoiler alert: Jon Snow is actually a legitimate Targaryen prince.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "If Trump truly cared about victims of human trafficking, he would put an end to his ongoing assault on immigrants."

    That if-then statement failed early on.

  • gormadoc||

    It's magic code. It didn't work without it, for some reason.

  • Bee Tagger||

    President Trump is confident that his lawyer Michael Cohen won't "flip" on him.

    New, on this season of HGTV's Flip or Flop.

  • gaoxiaen||

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    You get a pardon! And you get a pardon! And you and you and you get a pardon!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    CIA Director Mike Pompeo faces senators this week in his quest to become Trump's next secretary of state.

    A chance for both sides to join together and torture us, the viewers.

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    Pompeo is not easy on the eyes. The Harvey Weinstein of political hacks, or whatever it is he does for a living.

  • Bee Tagger||

    "Folks are only concerned right now about the [Facebook and Cabridge Analytica] story because they think it could have swung the elections or that they can be mind controlled, and that's not a real worry," Aleksandr Kogan, the man whose app collected data for Cambridge Analytica, tells BuzzFeed.

    Oh my goodness, he's STILL trying to control my mind!

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    A shooter at a Tennessee Waffle House restaurant managed to kill four people before another patron, James Shaw Jr., was able to wrestle the gun away from him. The shooter, thought to be 29-year-old Travis Reinking, fled the Waffle House and is still at large

    Does this shooting taking place at a Waffle House cover the fact that the dude was naked except for a green jacket?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    That part's not terribly unusual for a Waffle House.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    That's what I figured. Probably why there aren't any up north.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Probably why there aren't any up north.

    Winning The Civil War spared us northerners from that garbage food.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    What greasy spoon garbage food do you have north of the Mason-Dixon Line?

  • The Last American Hero||

    Coney dogs

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Well then, when you're wasted at 3am, where do you go to eat a $4 platter of grease that you will immediately barf up in the parking lot?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    IHOP or Denny's

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Greek diners? You know, supporting small businesses supports America, you corporate goon.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    If Crusty didn't get to smash a vag, then, by God, he is gonna at least smash some plates!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Denny's is southern. It's from Spartanburg, SC.

    IHOP is part of a cabal of (((foreign))) Belgian elites trying to ruin our great nation by charging 3 dollars more for a worse version of food than other places.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Here in liminal Virginia, we have Waffle House, Denny's, AND IHOP. It's an embarrassment of... what's the opposite of riches?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Any of you fuckers keep picking on IHOP and we're gonna throw down!

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Poser, you Internationalist!

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Picking on IHOP would be like picking on a Down Syndrome kid. Not cool.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Virginia is that weird intersection of North and South. We get the drawbacks of both and the benefits of neither.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    The Sweet Tea Line runs right through this here Old Dominion, and it moves around every time a new restaurant opens up.

  • The_Hoser||

    Diarrhea?

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    So I take it you're a food snob who's never actually eaten there, but likes to put it down to make himself seem haute culture.

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    At least they don't serve scrapple.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...North Korea has not agreed to denuclearization.

    And I was so ready to believe them if they had.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Counterprotesters are held by law enforcement officers as the National Socialist Movement holds a rally at Greenville Street Park in downtown Newnan on Saturday, April 21, 2018. The far-right hate group also drew anti-fascist demonstrators as well as hundreds of police officers. (HYOSUB SHIN / AJC)

    AJC.

    Hey you conservatives here! Another news org that doesn't believe your shit about fascists being "leftist"!

  • loveconstitution1789||

    You mean socialist Nazis fighting socialists?

    AJC is an Atlanta lefty publication dufus.

  • Sevo||

    "Hey you conservatives here! Another news org that doesn't believe your shit about fascists being "leftist"!"

    "Japanese news org makes common mistake. Turd makes an ass of himself again. Film at 11."

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    You Bratfart conservatives own Nazism as a far right ideology. You are not about to recast Nazis as leftists to 3 billion Western educated people.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Conservatives do not claim to own socialists of any stripe whatsoever.

  • damikesc||

    And given that the only apparent claim to being on the "Right" is their anti-Semitism yet the most anti-Semitic group in existence right now is the Left, it is even more humorous.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Hilarious.

    The American left could be characterized as anti Zionist but never anti-Semitic.

    Conservatives despise Jews and bankers and anything Jewish but love Israel.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The Lefty KKK was anti-semitic and was started by Democrats.

  • damikesc||

    It's not conservatives who seem to think that Nazis were protecting Jews during the Holocaust. That was a progressive Democrat.

    It's not conservatives being buddies with Farrakhan. That is progressive Dems doing that.

    It's not conservatives causing the lion's share of attacks on Jews globally. That would be progressives as well.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    Hard to imagine an objective intellect finding that German Nazism and Soviet Communism are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Communism is an attempt at pure egalitarianism (which is leftist) and Nazism is a system which promoted Aryan supremacy (right wing = favored class, race, or ethnic group).

    The two are in fact at opposite ends of the spectrum. And they are both political sicknesses.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Stalin was not as bad as Hitler, at least as far as the Allies' WWII goals were concerned. As for the average Soviet subject, it was a mixed bag at best.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Communism controls everything- property, workers, capital, land, and goods.

    Socialism controls the means of production- business land and property, workers, capital, and goods.

    Nazism controls the means of production and uses races as scapegoats. (same as lefty socialism with bonus features)

    Socialism is a sickness too since it can morph into Nazism since they are both lefty political tyrannies.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The two are in fact at opposite ends of the spectrum

    Something no one actually believed until the comm-symps successfully established this grade-school narrative 70 years ago.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The other end of the political linear spectrum are monarchies and oligarchies.

    Its why the right side of the political spectrum is "conservative". Kings and Popes are the ultimate conservatives. No change unless they say it happens.

    Libertarians in the middle. Some change and some conservatism.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    On a left-right political spectrum Libertarians are Up. :)

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    So Stalin, and any other autocrat is right?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Why, a rational person might start to think the whole left-right spectrum is nonsense!

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    Then both sides would have to realize that they are all really just authoritarians with different favored groups keeping them in power... or something.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    ^ This was a response to Citizen X by the way. Stupid threading.

    This analysis puts Hitler and Stalin on the same level of the personal liberty axis. The point is that Communism and Fascism are different axes. Trying to compare the two on a straight line doesn't make any sense.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Commies Socialists Progressives Democrats Libertarians Capitalist GOP Religious Monarchs
    ----+--------------+------- ------+--------------+---------- ----+---------------+----------+------+------ -------+----

  • damikesc||

    The two are in fact at opposite ends of the spectrum. And they are both political sicknesses.

    Explains the Molotov/Ribbentrop pact. Because they were opposites and all.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    "Communism is an attempt at pure egalitarianism (which is leftist) and Nazism is a system which promoted Aryan supremacy (right wing = favored class, race, or ethnic group)."

    Those are cosmetic differences. Beneath that they are siblings, lots of common DNA. The most important similarity being, the individual is subservient to the State.

  • Paloma||

    So why were the Soviets and Nazis allies until Hitler invaded Russia before Stalin could invade Germany?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    "The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism's nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive." -Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932).

    Some info from Nazi socialist Joseph Goebbels.

  • DesigNate||

    Get out of here with quotes from actual Nazi's on what they saw their movement as. Demfag knows that all Nazi's are bible thumping Southern white people.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    You are not about to recast Nazis as leftists to 3 billion Western educated people.

    True, they were already recast as "right-wing" after Hitler invaded Russia.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Nazism is socialist. It's even in the name. There is no rightist socialism. And you're the socialist here anyway.

    So logically, you're the nazi PB. As such, you should commit suicide right away.

  • Devastator||

    fascists can be left or right. It's the radical ideology and autocracy to support that makes them fascist.duh.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Another news org that doesn't believe your shit about fascists being "leftist"!

    It's almost like journalists are not too bright and/or lie to support a narrative.

    The Nazi's were/are socialists. Socialist is leftist. Own it.

  • MarkLastname||

    You seriously need a hobby.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    President Trump is confident that his lawyer Michael Cohen won't "flip" on him.

    You mean that there's nothing to flip about.

  • John||

    You can only be confident the guy won't flip if you know he has nothing to say.

  • Jerryskids||

    I believe that would be "confident he can't flip". Being confident he won't flip is saying that you trust he's going to keep his mouth shut about all the dirt he has on you, a tacit admission that there is indeed dirt to be had. But it's Trump, who the hell knows what he means by what he says, he sure has no idea.

    Like his tweet over the weekend about all the pundits who did nothing for years about solving the NK problem and now suddenly want to give him advice about solving the NK problem - does he even know what a pundit is? Does he really think that pundits are people who are in any way responsible for not solving the NK problem or is he just confused about the difference between a pundit and a politico?

  • John||

    Good point about can versus won't. And Trump knows what a pundit is. He is just screwing with the partisan media.

  • gaoxiaen||

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    He has something he could say. It's a federal investigation, Cohen could say Trump wipes twice and if they find out he wipes thrice it's a federal crime.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Trump doesn't wipe at all. He has people for that.

  • Devastator||

    Oh you can bet there is plenty to flip on. They just need some leverage. That's why they're digging through his stuff like crazy. I doubt if they'll find anything, I don't think a lawyer who made it as long as he did is stupid enough to save proof against himself unless it's in on an encrypted drive or something.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Anti-Nazi protesters arrested for wearing masks. A Georgia law passed to punish Ku Klux Klan members in the 1950s was just dusted off by local cops targeting anti-Nazi protesters. The law prohibits people from wearing masks at public events.
    The Democrats instituted these laws back when they ran the South. Now socialist lefty protestors are protesting socialist Nazis.

    As a Georgian, this is hilarious to watch two lefty groups attacking one another. Historically, it reminds me of 1930's Germany when Nazis and Communists used to street brawl to see who would destroy Europe first.

  • Jerryskids||

    Dusting off an old 1950's law. Bullshit. I remember the flap over the law technically banning trick-or-treaters from wearing masks, it was passed some time in the '90's.

    But it's the AJC, the same AJC I mentioned just the other day having the pants-shitting, SPLC-fueled "expose" a while back about the Nazis in our midst with the revelation that there's 5 guys in Villa Rica who call themselves some sort of nation-wide white power group. I'll bet those 5 guys were part of the 12 (count 'em, TWELVE, oh wait, don't count the 4 of them that are undercover FBI informants) assholes that showed up in Newnan and triggered another round of pants-shitting.

    And I have to wonder how many of the fascists there supported Bernie - a moron who said he only supported American-style socialism, actually fucking said he was a nationalist socialist with no hint whatsoever that there was ever anybody else who ever called themselves a nationalist socialist.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Dude, Bernie's not a national socialist, he's a national socialist! The inflection is completely different.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

  • gaoxiaen||

    If only they had met at an In-N-Out joint. Or Five Guys. Plenty to share.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    It doesn't matter what size fries you order at Five Guys, they're gonna give you a whole bagful. It's the only fry situation i've ever been in where i end up thinking, damn, this is too many fries.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Does it matter that Five Guy's food is not good?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Glad to hear someone else finally say it.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Their burgers taste fine but they're way overpriced, unless you need a week's supply of fries.

  • Rhywun||

    They're not my favorite - the burgers are too dry and the fries aren't often cooked enough - but they're the best thing available in the food desert that is the Jersey City waterfront.

  • Rhywun||

    They're not my favorite - the burgers are too dry and the fries are often not cooked enough - but they're the best thing available in the food desert that is the Jersey City waterfront.

  • damikesc||

    Am I supposed to be concerned that antifa cannot wear masks (which, mind you, is always the justification why the police don't tend to shit when they mob speakers --- because they cannot be identified) in public?

    I have zero beefs with a no masks in public demonstrations rule period. You can still make your points but if you decide to get violent, you do not get a free pass.

  • The Last American Hero||

    I'd warm up to the idea if it applied to the LEO's doing crowd control as well.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...National Socialist Movement demonstrators—some masked—showed up to protest a neo-Nazi rally taking place in a park in Newnan, Georgia.

    Huh.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Translation: Socialist Nazis fighting socialists in Newnan, Georgia.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    In any event, the lawsuit demonstrates Democrats' absolute commitment to pawning Hillary Clinton's loss off on nefarious outside forces and their refusal to undertake the kind of post-2016 election reflection that could actually boost their party's chances of electoral success.


    Hillary Clinton was the most qualified candidate ever and ran a nearly perfect campaign. If she didn't win, it can only mean that the process was rigged against her.

    I'm thrilled that the Democrats are bringing a lawsuit. The last thing we want is a country where a hostile foreign power can install a puppet President, and the opposition party just lets it go without a fight.

    #StillWithHer
    #TrumpRussia

  • gaoxiaen||

    It's hard to decide which one is the turd sandwich.

  • DesigNate||

    That was a little too on the nose.

    C+

  • Cy||

    Right? I'm thinking more D-. It was just too thirsty.

  • Nardz||

    B-

    You're better than this OBL!

  • Citizen X - #6||

    [citation needed]

  • John||

    The Democratic National Committee (DNC) has filed a civil lawsuit against Donald Trump's presidential campaign, Russia, and anonymous entities who "hacked" DNC emails and handed them over to WikiLeaks.

    This sure looks like an admission that Mueller is about to flame out. Why sue in civil court when you have a crooked prosecutor doing the work for you? It makes no sense to file this unless you think Mueller is about to flame out and you see this as the only way to keep the story alive.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    As you say, it smells of desperation on the part of the DNC and their lefty supporters.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    This is why Rudy Giuliani is back. He was one of the only high profile establishment republicans who supported Trump, but Mueller and Comey are also his good buddies, so he's sort of a diplomat who is trying to work out some way that will maybe help them save a little face from this ridiculous sham.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The law prohibits people from wearing masks at public events.

    I certainly hope they remembered to exempt police.

  • John||

    The funny part is that it is an old anti-Klan law. You know who else wore masked and terrorized people?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    The Phantom of the Opera?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Batman?

  • Eidde||

    Criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot...

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Clowns?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Jason?

  • Eidde||

    Clowns?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Rocky Dennis?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Stanley Ipkiss?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Clowns?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    MF Doom?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Jim Carrey?

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    This! And Jim Carey's dog

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Back in my day TreasonNN's had proper nerd commenters who would have picked up on my reference at 10:04.

    This is why no one comes to this place.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Yeah, well, some of us haven't seen that movie since we were like 11.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Some of us care enough to google the name.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Some of us do not.

  • DesigNate||

    Mmmm. Cameron Diaz's wet glistening boobs.....

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Kick Ass 2!

  • ||

    Michael Myers?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Leatherface?

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    the Green Hornet?

  • Gilbert Martin||

    Zorro?

  • Rich||

    Hannibal Lechter?

    Oh, wait -- that was masks *of* terrorized people. Never mind.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Is it clowns?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    THANK you.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Cosmonauts?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Anonymous?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Yup. We are Legion.

  • Aloysious||

    The Lone Ranger?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Arya Stark?

  • silver.||

    Best answer. Actual flesh is the only acceptable mask material.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Clowns?

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    The Red Death?

  • Cy||

    Whoopi Goldberg?

  • Devastator||

    The police aren't subject to the law, they -make- the law.

  • Rhywun||

    Ban stores that sell discounted food and household goods in low-income areas.

    The utter contempt these types have for the poors is just breathtaking.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    The only benefit poors have on society is that they allow my bearded friends and I to purchase their houses at a discounted rated, so that I can clean up their trash communities and then sell those houses at an inflated price.

  • Devastator||

    amen.

  • gormadoc||

    Such a gentleman.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Neato. I've never seen a bearded chinchilla. How much does a renovated chin cage go for in NY?

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    Look, you ignorant rube. If we get rid of cheap food near poor neighborhoods, it will encourage the poor to spend more money travelling to more distant stores to buy more expensive food there. The plan is foolproof!

  • Conchfritters||

    Only rich people can afford to buy cheap stuff.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Bids for sorghum in the Gulf of Mexico have almost disappeared after China's decision earlier this week to impose a 179 percent tariff on U.S. imports, according to grain-handling company Scoular Co.

    "There's been very little trade," Bob Ludington, who oversees Omaha-based Scoular's North America grain and oilseed division, said in an interview Thursday. While some U.S. grain elevators are still bidding for sorghum, "nobody is looking" for it in the Gulf, he said.

    Scoular has elevators in Kansas that buy crops including sorghum. The company then ships supplies around the U.S. as well as to Mexico and exporters in the Gulf.

    (Bloomberg)

    You have no one to blame but yourselves - you dumb hick farmers. The Dotard said he despised free trade.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Anything is better than Obama's trade policies.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Nobody likes sorghum anyway.

  • Devastator||

    There are definitely certain items that only chinese are looking for. Nobody wants sorghum. The chinese have a much broader range of things they eat and like than westerners do, this is going to hurt a lot of agriculture for sure.

  • Ron||

    Sorghum is a useless filler put into foods products to make you think you are getting more then whet you paid. when in reality you are just getting closer to diabieties. most so called healthy yogurts and dressing are filled with the stuff. that said i don't care if the Chinese want to eat it.

  • gaoxiaen||

    It's good for making Gao-Liang, a popular Chinese hard liquor. Drunkards will exert a lot of pressure.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Also, it's having a minor hipster revival in he US.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Which proves it's crap.

  • Sevo||

    "DNC Chairman Tom Perez told ABC News Sunday that the purpose was to prevent Russian interference in the 2018 midterm election."

    He's got a million of 'em!

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    I guess the guy has no idea how long it takes to get something through the court system.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    DNC Chairman Tom Perez told ABC News Sunday that the purpose was to prevent Russian interference in the 2018 midterm election. It's unclear how, exactly, this is supposed to work.

    Yeah, a request for the details would have been a great followup for ABC News. Was it?

  • John||

    I don't think they are going to like going through discovery. They filed this suit but I have yet to hear it has been served on anyone. I would not be surprised if it isn't ever served.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I love catching Defendants of guard by serving them. Those pissed off phone calls by their counsel are very entertaining.

    I tend to think you are correct, since they have not served any defendants as far as I have heard.

  • John||

    Unless you are out of the country, it is pretty hard to avoid service. Funny that so many people think they can and are angry when they don't.

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    Except half the defendants ARE a foreign country.

  • CatoTheChipper||

    This is obviously a strategic lawsuit that was filed for propaganda purposes. I imagine the the TDS base of the Democrat Party love it.

    I expect that the DNC's attorney will never have a process server approach the defendants in their filing.

    That way the DNC and its talking heads in media will be able to say, over and over again until November, that the treacherous Republicans have so far failed to respond formally to the DNC's charges of treasonous fraud, grand larceny, and RICO conspiracy.

    To avoid being bombarded by such deceptive yet factual statements, one or more of the defendants have to countersue the DNC.

    The Russian defendants almost certainly won't respond, though it would be entertaining to have The Russian Federation sue the DNC for libel in filing this frivolous lawsuit. The Russkies could express how troubled they are that unidentified, rogue Russians conspired with Steele and Fusion GPS to libel Trump on behalf of the DNC. They could also put forward evidence of how certain Democrats (like Teddy Kennedy) in the past did engage in election-time conspiracies with the former USSR.

    Wikileaks, Assange, Papadopoulos, Gates, and Stone don't have the resources to respond. Manafort and Kushner probably have the resources to respond, but they have other problems that force them to avoid the publicity.

    That's why I expect a countersuit by DJT, Jr.

  • Brian||

    I saw onyou Facebook where foreigners were pretending to be US citizens and saying nasty things about Trump.

    Since propaganda works or it wouldn't exist, this implies that Hillary was supposed to lose by worse. QED.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Its not propaganda is the lefties do it.

  • Sevo||

    "Net neutrality is officially dead. Now what?"
    https://www.cnet.com/news/net-
    neutrality-is-officially-dead-
    fcc-ajit-pai-now-what/

    PANIC!

  • Rhywun||

    "We need a referee on the field who can throw a flag," former FCC chairman and Obama appointee Tom Wheeler said last week at MIT during a panel discussion in support of rules like those he championed.

    Yeah, the internet was so unfair before 2015. Please bring in some top men to save it.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    It sounds like John McCain might be very close to death, because the Arizona republicans are shamelessly trying to pass a bill that would keep his appointed temporary replacement in office until 2020.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    They could appoint Roy Moore. You know - one of your types.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Dave, you would be a lot happier if you just finally came out of the closet. Everyone knows full well that your so-called "Canadian girlfriend" is never, ever going to show up.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    There are so many layers to this cake of dumbassery.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Get back to work, journolist scum!

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    It's like a fine Japanese sword that has been folded and reshaped hundreds of times.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Two idiots on a website ain't exactly a Yoshihara original.

  • Jerryskids||

    Democrats Cling to Collusion as Explanation for Clinton's Loss in New Lawsuit Against Russia, Hackers, and Trump Campaign

    They couldn't find a lawyer capable of serving papers in that special place in Hell where all the women who didn't support Hillary have been consigned? And what about every person of color, the gays and the poors and the union workers who were brainwashed into thinking they were endowed with free will and were capable of voting for anyone other than Hillary? All those people illegally colluded to deny the queen her rightful throne, they all deserve to burn.

  • Eidde||

    "President Trump is confident that his lawyer Michael Cohen won't "flip" on him."

    "They think my mouthpiece will fink on me. They figure wrong. Sad! #SnitchesGetAudited."

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • Eidde||

    That's a high bar to clear, congratulations!

  • Gilbert Martin||

    What about "Spaceballs"?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    You obviously don't know that plaid is an actual FTL speed.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I will comb the comment section for anymore references.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Galaxina was the best.

  • gaoxiaen||

  • Brian||

    Not Flash Gordon?

  • Juice||

    Oh, Interstellar is accurate though?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Yes.

  • John||

    I wish they would ever make a movie out of some of Alastair Reynolds' books. Reynolds is an actual astrophysicist and his books are pretty accurate and interesting.

  • John||

    I wish they would ever make a movie out of some of Alastair Reynolds' books. Reynolds is an actual astrophysicist and his books are pretty accurate and interesting.

  • colorblindkid||

    The Day After Tomorrow is far worse. At least 2016 didn't take itself seriously.

    Geostorm was also fucking atrocious.

  • colorblindkid||

    *2012. The movie 2012. lol

  • John||

    You leave 2012 alone. Any movie with Roy Scheider, John Lithgow and Helen Mirren is just fine with me.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Um, you might want to recheck that.

  • John||

    Yeah, I mean 2010. What the hell was 2012? I don't even remember that movie.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    End of the world movie with John Cusack. It's supposed about what will happen when the poles switch and all kinds of climate disasters happen.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    More like an end of John Cusack's career movie, amirite?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Good, all of us having been demanding more Joan for years, and they keep giving us his garbage.

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    By having sex with a judge?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    No men-women equality in that sentence.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Did Texas deliberately redraw political district lines in order to diminish the impact of black and Hispanic Texas voters?

    Of course they did. Like Dems do in CA. Gerrymandering is why the GOP controls the House.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    Yeah, and people move and ideological coalitions shift so even the most permanent of permanent gerrymandering is usually obsolete in under a decade. Look at PA (before the lawsuit nonsense) or VA.

  • Don't look at me.||

    I thought it was because Facebook.

  • creech||

    Big issue here in Penna. Though some of the debate is ludicrous: "My neighbors across the street are in an entirely different Congressional district and it isn't fair!" Somehow this person doesn't realize that, no matter how the boundaries are drawn, there's always going to be someone who lives on the other side of the boundary from you.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    We should all be in the same district! Also, we should all be named Beverly.

  • BYODB||

    Believe me, here in Texas there are a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with gerrymandering that keep us from voting for Democrats.

    A whole shit ton of reasons, in fact, not the least of which is their political ideals are diametrically opposite to that of your average Texan in many respects. Note I don't say 'all' ideals are opposites, but those that involve passing a state income tax or weighing down our businesses with more regulations can go fuck themselves. Places like Austin or Dallas may buy into it, but the rest of the State doesn't.

    Carry on.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    The end of the 'libertarian moment

    intellectual right-wingers fear that the much anticipated "libertarian moment" has come and gone. Free marketers may have won many intellectual arguments, but they never developed a sustainably popular political program. Virtually all the GOP candidates running against Trump embraced standard principles on deregulation and free trade as well, and for the most part, immigration. All went down in flames against Trump's strongly nationalist and even xenophobic appeal.

    Once the tax bill passed and regulatory reforms, notably in the energy sector, were enacted, libertarians like Ryan shared little common ground with Trump. The president was never going to follow their lead on entitlements given that almost nine in 10 voters favor maintaining Social Security and a majority favor expanding Medicare. For any politician seeking a political future, attacking entitlements is largely a suicide mission.

    Don't tell Gillespie!

  • John||

    Once the tax bill passed and regulatory reforms, notably in the energy sector, were enacted, libertarians like Ryan shared little common ground with Trump. The president was never going to follow their lead on entitlements given that almost nine in 10 voters favor maintaining Social Security and a majority favor expanding Medicare. For any politician seeking a political future, attacking entitlements is largely a suicide mission.

    So like every political ideology in a Republic, Libertarians will get some of what they want but not all of it. I don't really see why that is a significant observation. Moreover, what is "libertarian moment" supposed to be if not libertarians actually seeing some of their policies enacted?

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    libertarians like Ryan

    Exsqueeze me?

  • Aloysious||

    I stopped reading right there. Clearly, the author is, at best, misinformed.

  • Rhywun||

    libertarians like Ryan

    *spit-take*

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Virtually all the GOP candidates running against Trump embraced standard principles on deregulation and free trade as well, and for the most part, immigration. All went down in flames against Trump's strongly nationalist and even xenophobic appeal.

    There really isn't much contrast there. Trump ran on deregulation and immigration control too. I don't remember anybody in the GOP field talking up free trade, not even Rand Paul.

    Trump won the nomination because:
    1. There were 17 candidates competing for coverage and contributions
    2. He was not concerned about the future of his political career and thus had the freedom to say outrageous things that GOP voters wanted to hear and the MSM wanted to cover
    3. Democrats considered him to be the weakest GOP candidate, with many in open primary states crossing over to vote for him in the primary as an act of sabotage

  • BYODB||


    3. Democrats considered him to be the weakest GOP candidate, with many in open primary states crossing over to vote for him in the primary as an act of sabotage


    Or maybe it's because Democrats are losing some of their old supporters because of their social-justice warrior batshit insane agenda? I mean, even to a blue-zone Union worker you'd have to see Democrats as being dangerous to you eventually if you're in certain industries where Trump has turned out to out-Democrat the Democrats (RE: Tariffs to 'protect' certain industries such as steel / aluminum ).

    I mean, sure, we might see those policies as the dumb fuck policies they are but if you're a Democrat you might hear that and say 'gee, I remember when Democrats used to say that. Now all they talk about are immigrants that we hate.'

    Times, they're a changin' and if the Democrats don't figure their shit out soon they'll be left as a minority party. (Basically, don't ignore your traditional base because of new shiney bases that consist of, say, 1% or less of the entire U.S. population.)

    I mean, shit, Democrats have managed to produce conditions that have killed off most of their African American voting base so I'm not sure what their plan really is in the mid-to-long term.

  • catmatmc||

    The Waffle House by me has had a few shootings in the last 5 years or so.

    They actually have a cop there on Fri and Sat nights now from 12AM on. As does the local Denny's down the road.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Donuts go on special after 12am, that's why.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Just so no brains splash on my chicken-fried steak and fries. Blood just blends in with the ketchup.

  • BYODB||

    It's because that's when the drunk zombies come out to eat breakfast so they can sober up a little.

  • Rhywun||

    We're totally not racists see we have this big sign saying so!

  • Don't look at me.||

    Be pretty pissed if I had a seat behind it.

  • Rhywun||

    Heh the sign comes down when the game starts. That is the supporters section; singing and chanting and virtue-signalling is what they do.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    I hope those DNC idiots get hit with sanctions for filing a frivolous suit

  • Citizen X - #6||

    You're kidding, right? The discovery process alone is going to be so awesome.

    DNC: "We're suing Trump and everyone he knows and Russia and whoever else we can think of because hacking"

    Court: "Ok then as to the hacking allegations we need you to turn over all of your servers"

    DNC: "We hereby withdraw the suit"

  • John||

    Wikileaks will have a ball defending this case. I will be surprised if they ever actually serve wikileaks. They really are crazy if they do.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I have a desk drawer full of popcorn waiting for this thing to proceed.

    That's not an exaggeration, either. I literally have boxes and boxes of popcorn in my desk.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Boy Scout fundraiser gone amuck?

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    I suppose crowdstrike could testify. They could send their CTO, Dmitri Alperovitch.

    It's Russians all the way down.

  • Griffin3||

    Crusty's link that somehow got randomly deleted, due to his sugar-freeing: the link

  • Crusty Juggler||

    TreasonNN is trying to silence me!

  • Griffin3||

    If I had known you could have a do-over on comments just by inserting random illegal characters, I would have hacked this already.

  • Eidde||

    Why should that poor cop get jail time? He said he didn't know the girl was underage, why do you want to persecute him?

    /sarc

  • gaoxiaen||

    She said that she was sixteen. How would I know that she was eleven?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Migrants on Greek island of Lesbos attacked by far-Right extremists shouting 'burn them alive'

    Far-Right extremists yelling "Burn them alive" launched a violent attack overnight on migrants staging a sit-in protest on the Greek island of Lesbos, injuring around a dozen people.

    The violence erupted late on Sunday after members of the radical Patriotic Movement gathered on the central square of the island's main city Mytilene, where around 200 Afghan asylum-seekers held a sit-in protest against their miserable living conditions.

    https://goo.gl/G5aVPb

    OMG! LoveCons call the Telegraph!

  • Juice||

    Militant lesbians are the worst.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Get out, there aren't any anything-right people in Greece.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Do you not find it even slightly curious that all it takes to be alt-right or far-right is a dislike of immigrants?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    No, because the definitions are consistent with left as "egalitarian" and right as "favoring a class, race, or ethnic group".

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Nationalist was already taken by socialists who formed the National Socialist German Worker's Party.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Whatever you say cap'n.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    So the communists were both left and right at the same time? I guess that makes them moderates.

  • BYODB||

    Yeah, by PB's rubric Communists are on the far-right ideologically and Libertarians are leftists. Go figure.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Protective Dykes?

    Don't go near there!

  • gaoxiaen||

    Just plug that hole with your finger.

  • Joe_JP||

    Troll title.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Hundreds of neo-Nazis attend far-right festival in German town
    Two-day event for Hitler's birthday expected to attract up to 1,000 far-right extremists; hundreds more arrive for counter-protests: 'We don't want these people here'

    Times of Israel --- Call them too, LoveCons! You would think Jews would know that Nazis are really lefties!

    https://goo.gl/tv6XLi

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Just fuck already, shreek and lc.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    What is the world coming to when you can't have a good Nazi festival without a bunch of protests?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    In romcom terms, your competing monomanias are what's known as a "meet-cute."

  • loveconstitution1789||

    You misspelled "meet-barf."

  • Citizen X - #6||

    He's a fellow Georgian. You should give him a chance.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I'm not into buttplugs.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    The plug isn't for YOUR butt.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I would put a "The More You Know" rainbow up but....Reason.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    Asswipe doesn't live in Georgia, he lives at 1435 Euclid Street Apt. #2 in Northwest Washington DC.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Is that right near 14th Street NW?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Whatever you say, Simple Mikey.

  • Nardz||

    1,025 sq ft
    $572,300
    $3,244/month rent

    F DC

  • loveconstitution1789||

    We have no seen socialists dress like the socialist Nazis since the 1930s and 1940s.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Yes please.

    *unzips*

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Usually I stand by you X. But semantic pedantry is the very SOUL of Libertarianism.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Its rape when Butt wants it but I don't.

    Butt has been raping discussions on Reasons for years.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Nazis are socialists and the old Jews know that better than you.

  • Rebel Scum||

    expected to attract up to 1,000 far-right extremists

    Extreme is a relative term.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Say what you will about Hitler, but having 4/20 as your birthday is pretty awesome.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Hitler was all about getting everyone smoking.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    James Comey's 20/20 Interview Was Meh—But His Boots Were Very Good

    Plaid sport-coats are trendy af, but the boots were an abomination.

  • John||

    The Beatles called and they want their boots back and also want to know why you didn't borrow the Nehru Jacket that went with them.

  • Eidde||

    Aren't a lawman's boots supposed to go up his calves?

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    Sheriff Andy Taylor wore 8" Durango Uniform Boots. Maybe Comey is a fan.

  • colorblindkid||

    "discount stores like Family Dollar and Dollar General offer only frozen and processed food"

    Frozen vegetables and fruit cooked in a microwave are often more nutritious than "fresh" produce at a grocery store. While freezing does reduce some nutrients, they are typically flash frozen immediately after harvest. Fresh fruit and veggies in your grocery store that were harvested a week or two ago have lost more nutrients.

    Also, microwaving is one of the healthiest way to eat vegetables, because it cooks them so quickly. Microwaves do not damage nutrients or vitamins.

    The campaign for "natural food" is one of the most bullshit anti-scientific movements in existence.

  • John||

    Frozen food is a miracle of the modern age. There is nothing wrong with eating frozen food. Where do these people get these ideas?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Poors eat Frozen Food which is all you need to know it's garbage. We need to save the poors by banning their foods. Then once they finally eat only organic foods, organic foods will become garbage as it's eaten by the poors. Then the rise of Swanson will occur.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    You're not far off. There is food snobbery going on on this very thread, denigrating Waffle House food as garbage. People have to have a way to show how sophisticated and enlightened they are.

  • Robert||

    Where is frozen food cheaper than unfrozen? Arctic areas, I guess.

  • Rhywun||

    Most places, if you include the cost of time and labor.

  • Rich||

    "Oh, very well. It's a *microwave* desert."

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Who would have thought that government caused the food desert problem lefties keep talking about.

  • Rhywun||

    This nonsense where they pretend it's a food desert because there isn't any fresh food in walking distance is a farce. I doubt anybody walks anywhere in North Tulsa. It was the same where I grew up. Zero shopping nearby but even the poorest of the poor had a car to get to where the shopping was. Because they had to. Couching this argument in terms of "food deserts" is just a way to avoid the argument they're really trying to make which is that they don't like the way those people live.

  • colorblindkid||

    I eat like shit and don't eat many fruits and veggies because I'm a lazy piece of shit who doesn't like eating fruits and veggies. I don't blame that on corporations and ads brainwashing me into eating their unhealthy food. No government policy will change this.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    He could get rid of his colorblindness by eating a single carrot. But he stands his ground, because libertarians have principles.

  • colorblindkid||

    Oddly enough, carrots are pretty much the only vegetable I enjoy eating.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    "food desert" has always seemed a strange term. A sand desert is a desert full of sand, a cold desert is cold, a high desert is high. So food desert should be a desert full of food.

    Of course, then you add to it that disproportionate numbers of food desert dwellers are obese.

  • creech||

    And I always figured that the freezing and then the micro-nuking killed all kinds of creepy crawlies that might still be on fresh food?

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Yes, but it doesn't remove the stuff they had already excreted onto the food.

  • Don't look at me.||

    Yeah, the tasty part.

  • Robert||

    So the theory is that greengrocers, butchers, fish markets, etc. can't survive in local competition w small discount stores that don't sell such food?! In NYC the small stores selling fresh food are usu. on the same block as the discount stores. It's like they attract each other. Like they anticipate that customers drawn into 1 will walk to the other.

    The Tulsa ordinance targets only new establishments that are too small, too cheap, don't sell gas or fill Rx, & are too close to each other. Strange specificity. Looks like it's made to favor drug stores & gas stns. in add'n to groceries. Like drug stores need help? That Rx counter seriously drives traffic.

    But it's not all bad. "They now permit the sale of food products from community gardens without approval from the Board of Adjustment, thus reducing the bureaucracy involved in selling fresh local food. Also, the minimum parking space requirement for grocery stores built in North Tulsa has been reduced by 50 percent."

    Net gain or loss for liberty? Probably depends on individual values.

  • BYODB||

    Whatever you do, don't spell Tulsa backwards.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    New Jersey's Supreme Court is expected to decide this week whether to legalize sports gambling. "If legalized by the court, sports gambling could bring in roughly $9 billion in annual revenue to the state," notes the New York Post.

    The devastation caused by a gambling addiction is immeasurable. Please do not legalize this craven addiction that breaks families apart, New Jersey!

  • Jerryskids||

    The leaked DNC emails "produced no evidence that the primaries had been skewed—states and state parties, not the DNC, control primaries and caucuses," notes The Washington Post. "But numerous conspiracy theories grew out of the email hack."

    My favorite conspiracy theory was the one where Debbie Wasserman Schultz was colluding with the Hillary campaign and the DNC's super-delegates to make sure Hillary beat out Bernie for the nomination. There's even a conspiracy theory that Wasserman Schultz was forced to step down as DNC chair for the collusion. And another one that claims Donna Brazile stepped in as temporary chair of the DNC and raised a public stink about the fact that the DNC was nothing more than an adjunct to the Hillary campaign, bankrupt and not giving a nickel to local and state-wide races that desperately needed cash because every bit of money they raised to support Democratic candidates all across the country was being funneled straight to Hillary at Hillary's orders.

    I know those are all conspiracy stories because both CNN and WaPo told me there was no dirt to be found in the e-mails, even if it were legal for me to look at them, which it's not, because I'm not a Journalist with the Special Powers that Journalists have.

  • colorblindkid||

    There is far more conspiratorial talk surrounding the 2016 election on the mainstream left than the mainstream right.

  • John||

    Funny how the media never mentions that the DNC emails had nothing to do with Russia or Trump. All of those emails were about the DNC screwing Bernie and ensuring that Hillary won the nomination no matter what. Yet, somehow, their release is supposed to be evidence of the evil Russkies throwing the election.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    And that's not even getting into the allegations of Hillary's campaign paying people to start fights at Trump rallies and the like

  • colorblindkid||

    There was always just as much violence on both sides during the campaign. If all the people who caused the violence were Trump-supporting Hillary-haters, why was there never any violence at Hillary rallies? Why were there no violent protests against Hillary? Why were no Trumpists infiltrating Hillary rallies and causing trouble? Why were there not right-wingers heckling her?

    My favorite story was the black Trump supporter who got in a fight with a guy because the guy's friend was wearing a KKK outfit to protest Trump. The guy who punched him would have been a national hero and invited onto Jimmy Kimmel if that happened at a Hillary rally.

  • Eidde||

    What's wrong with food desserts?

    /Speaking of things past their sell-by date, how do you like that joke?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Terrible, and such a small portion.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Cool Protlanders such as myself are now on to purely industrial, inorganic diets now.

  • Brian||

    "Obama strategist David Axelrod called the suit "spectacularly ill-timed" and worried that it would give fodder to claims that the Russia-Trump investigation is nothing more than "a partisan vendetta.""

    No!

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The left sure does have everyone on their side on that claim.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    There should be a law against reporting on the British Royal Family.

  • Derp-o-Matic 6000||

    I only tune in so I can boo and hiss, like all true patriotic Americans.

  • The Last American Hero||

    The reporting is so slipshod, it's comical.

    Leading up to the William and Kate wedding, they gave wall to wall coverage of every angle to the thing, but the big show stealer on the day of the wedding was Pippa and dat ass. Somehow, a month of wall to wall coverage and they forgot to mention that the Maid of Honor was a total smokeshow.

  • brec||

    New Jersey's Supreme Court is expected to decide this week whether to legalize sports gambling.

    Nah, it's the United States's Supreme Court which will decide the case brought by New Jersey.

  • brec||

    New Jersey's Supreme Court is expected to decide this week whether to legalize sports gambling.

    Nah, it's the United States's Supreme Court which will decide the case brought by New Jersey.

  • Duelles||

    DNC Law suit! Idiots that have put HRC up for election? What an awful candidate- what an awful human. Duh!

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Hmm. Russian AI struggling to achieve sentience?

  • silver.||

    I hope he doesn't remember this part of his previous life. Crusty would be so screwed.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Marching with covered faces wasn't some idiosyncratic Klan custom, it was done so that they couldn't be identified and implicated in the violent crimes of the KKK. Antifa wears masks for exactly the same reason, to avoid punishment for their violent crimes.

    So calling the anti-mask law an "anti-Klan law" or "anti-hate law" is completely misleading. It's intended to prevent those who commit violent acts from getting away with them, regardless of their politics.

  • Robert||

    Are Nazis going to ruin othala the way they ruined swastika?

  • Don't look at me.||

    Why all the hate?

  • Get lit||

    A court of law is exactly the place to litigate these competing narratives. There are rules of evidence, burdens of proof, ways to compel testimony. The DNC is putting up. They threw first punch where it matters in the ring. Everything else is bs.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano and his conspiracy theories.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano thinks his cheeseboard is profound insight.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano identifies himself.

  • BYODB||


    DNC Chairman Tom Perez told ABC News Sunday that the purpose was to prevent Russian interference in the 2018 midterm election. It's unclear how, exactly, this is supposed to work.


    Wrong, it's obvious how it's supposed to work. It's supposed to keep Trump front-and-center so that all the Democrats that didn't vote for Hillary can be shamed into voting this time around. Refer yourself to the GOP strategy while Obama was President: Don't talk about specifics or policy, just gripe and whine a lot about personalities on the other side of the aisle.


    Of course, Democrats have turned that strategy up to 11 with their clear-and-present strategy of 'impeach Trump' which notably even the psychotic Republicans weren't really down with when it came to Obama. I guess maybe unlike Democrats, Republicans might have learned a lesson from the Clinton years.

  • BYODB||


    •Did Texas deliberately redraw political district lines in order to diminish the impact of black and Hispanic Texas voters? The U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments this week in the case, which dates back to 2011.


    AKA 'Democrats' since guess who black and Hispanic voters generally vote for? SURPRISE!

  • Tony||

    Democrats do best when Republicans are being treasonous or starting wars based on lies touching little boys or whatever. It's not that they don't have policy ideas, it's that Americans are too stupid to care beyond a four-word slogan.

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    Why did you lose Hope? That's not Change We Can Believe In. Are you Still With Her? Then, you better Report for Duty for A Stronger America.

  • Tony||

    So you're making my point.

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    "" it's that Americans are too stupid to care beyond a four-word slogan."'

    Aren't you American?

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Regardless of their rhetoric, the Dems in Congress don't actually want Trump removed from office any more than the GOPers in Congress actually wanted to repeal Obamacare.

    They know they are much better off with Trump in the White House than Pence.

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