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Southern Poverty Law Center Scraps Its Anti-Muslim Hate List

But its illiberal tactics against liberal Muslim reformers remain extremely troubling.

SPLCRobertKingPolaris via NewscomLast month, I wrote a piece calling out the Southern Poverty Law Center, the country's self-appointed watchdog of hate groups, for putting Ayan Hirsi Ali, the Somali victim of genital mutilation, and Maajid Nawaz, a Muslim militant-turned-reformer, on its anti-Muslim hate list along with genuine Islamophobes like Pamela Geller. And yesterday came word that the SPLC quietly scrapped its list called the Journalist's Manual: Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists.

Poof! It's gone.

I wish I could take credit for helping SPLC see the light, but, I suspect, the real reason was that Nawaz recently retained Clare Locke—the same firm that went after Rolling Stone for publishing the University of Virginia rape confabulation—to sue SPLC for defamation. Nawaz claims that SPLC showed a "reckless disregard for the truth"—the legal bar for proving actual malice to make a defamation lawsuit stick—when it put him on its hate list. And instead of fighting him in court, SPLC seems to have folded like a four flusher.

Worse, unlike most responsible outfits that issue a correction when they make a mistake, SPLC removed its list without a word.

Now, if SPLC has indeed backed down (one can't be sure because it didn't respond to queries for comment), it can't be because it is wanting for resources like some poor non-profit operating out of a trailer park. It owns one of the plushest buildings in Alabama and has net assets upwards of $328 million that it's been doubling literally every decade. No, it is because it probably didn't want probing litigation to expose just how hollow its name-and-shame exercise is.

Nawaz believes that Islam is a religion of peace and is publicly spooked by the rising Islamophobia in the West. (How could he not be? He is after all a practicing Muslim of Pakistani descent living in Britain.) He routinely condemns anti-Muslim bigotry and insists that Muslim profiling is counterproductive and ineffective—on Fox News, to boot.

So how in Allah's name did he land on a list of people who allegedly "routinely espouse a wide range of utter falsehoods, all designed to make Muslims appear as bloodthirsty terrorists or people intent on undermining American constitutional freedoms."

He is the founder of the Quilliam Foundation, an Islamic reformist outfit fighting against jihadist interpretations of the Quran, and in 2014 he tweeted a cartoon of Jesus and Muhammad with the note that "God is greater than to feel threatened by it."

This, along with accusations that he exaggerated some aspects of his biography, is apparently why SPLC thought it fit to put him in the same league as Geller who sponsored the infamous Draw-A-Mohammad cartoon. In other words, this righteous outfit sees no difference between constructive pushback by a well meaning dissenter and a cheap stunt by a vicious troll.

But painting with such a broad brush is wrongheaded for a whole host of reasons not the least of which is that it disarms reformers by taking away an important tool of protest. When Geller sponsored her odious contest, she was sticking it to Muslims. But that is far from Nawaz's motive, whatever one thinks of his tactics. He is simply trying to push back against his religion's rigid notions of blasphemy and stretch the inner boundaries of acceptable opinion. In any normal universe, he would be applauded for his courageous stance against the forces of orthodoxy and intolerance. But not in SPLC. Indeed, if SPLC had been around when Martin Luther denounced the Papacy as "the institution of the Devil" and called King Henry the Eighth, a devout Catholic who later became a Protestant, "a pig, an ass, a dunghill, the spawn of an adder, a basilisk, a lying buffoon dressed in a king's robes, a mad fool with a frothy mouth and a whorish face… a lubberly ass… a frantic madman," it might well have branded Luther a bigot and a hater.

Putting Nawaz on a hate list is irresponsible, but this is not the first time that SPLC's over-zealous hate classification has gotten it into trouble. Indeed, as I noted , it put the Family Research Center, a Christian traditional-values outfit, on its list of anti-gay organizations featured on its "Hate Map" page, which prompted a gun-toting gay activist to show up in its office and shoot a guard. It also put Dr. Ben Carson on its "extremist watch list" because he called homosexuality a sin. Again, one can disagree with them. But haters?

Nor is the hate list the outfit's only questionable exercise. As Jesse Walker has pointed out, it also plays fast-and-loose when tabulating the number of hate groups in the country. Its 2016 report on "The Year in Hate and Extremism" found a big spike in KKK groups, but that was at least partly because the KKK formed smaller new klaverns after two big Klans fell apart, something that SPLC only reluctantly conceded. And there is also some double counting in its list of sinister "Patriot" groups – for example it counts WorldNetDaily and WorldNetDaily's book imprint as separate entities.

Still, SPLC is not completely useless yet—although it is working on it. This is terribly unfortunate given that the country really could use a credible outfit tracking hate and hate groups at this juncture. SPLC did some excellent work fighting lingering segregation in the South in the 1970s, scoring some major legal victories against vile white supremacists.

But now it has become more interested in enforcing (il)liberal orthodoxy than fighting real hate.

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  • BestUsedCarSales||

    No, it is because it probably didn't want probing litigation to expose just how hollow its name-and-shame exercise is.

    Good job Shikha. Tell them to fuck right off.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Still, SPLC is not completely useless yet—although it is working on it.

    Fucking brutal.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    I thought this article was weirdly written for an author at Reason, until I saw who the author was.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    This is the least worthless thing Shikha has ever written.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    And yet you haven't.

  • Eddie1975||

    Too local.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    So big you can't even say what it is.

    Fuck off, spammer.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Another spam comment by you. If you actually cared about this, you'd say something more than it's the crime of the millennium. Go, get lost, get woke if you need to, but GTFO with your spam.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Unless the list was in animated gif format I wasn't going to read it anyway.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The old SPLC Geocities site used to have it, but sadly Geocities has since left us.

  • Eek Barba Durkle||

    "And there is also some double counting in its list of sinister "Patriot" groups – for example it counts WorldNetDaily and WorldNetDaily's book imprint as separate entities."

    There is a group of a couple dozen inbred retards in the woods 20 miles outside my hometown, who I guess are most of what's left of the 'klan' these days.

    They have a little compound in the woods with 3 or 4 buildings. They print a newsletter. And have a website. And a church. And a little radio station. And a PR guy who rents billboards.

    The SPLC counts every. single. one. of these efforts by the same handful of backwoods, dirt-poor rednecks as a separate hate group.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    True dat, which is why Antifa and its sycophants get away with treating violent racism as a plague infecting America from sea to shining sea instead of the outlier that it -- and its adherents -- are.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Violent racism has diminished in America because the bigots have become more defensive after being put in their place by their betters.

  • epsilon given||

    Indeed. But enough about Republican victories against Democrats! Let's talk more about the SPLC's ridiculous "hate list".

  • Eric L||

    The left does that all the time. I used to live in a small town and there was a dozen progressives who would show up at public meetings and other events claiming to represent a coalition of environmentalists, peace activists, advocates for the poor, pro-choice, LGBTQ rights, etc. However, it was just the same dozen group of clowns who met on the first Friday of the month as the environmental group, on the second Wednesday as the Anti-nuclear group, on Thursday as the ... well you get the idea. By counting every single amalgamation of the same dozen people it made them sound so much more important, large and powerful.

  • Microaggressor||

    Shine a light on a rat's den and watch them scurry away.

  • TLBD||

    This is the most tolerable Shikha article I've ever read, even if she claims that Pam Geller deserves to be on a hate list for the "Draw the Prophet" thing.

    Don't get me wrong, Shikha still has no business writing for a libertarian magazine.

  • gormadoc||

    I don't she she meant to imply that Geller belongs on the list, rather that the SPLC is ridiculous in casting a wide net that captures the entire spectrum of engagement from Geller and Nawaz.

  • Morbo||

    I don't she she meant to imply that Geller belongs on the list
    ...for putting Ayan Hirsi Ali, the Somali victim of genital mutilation, and Maajid Nawaz, a Muslim militant-turned-reformer, on its anti-Muslim hate list along with genuine Islamophobes like Pamela Geller.

    If she didn't mean to imply that, she should see a psychiatrist about Dissociative Identity Disorder.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    No, she didn't mean to imply it. She meant to come right out and say it, which she did. Geller is and always has been highly aggressive in her campaign, but that doesn't mean she's been wrong. Why would "draw Muhammad" be a hate thing -- except that Muslims have a bug up their collective ass about it? The day Muslims stand up and protest irreverent anti-Christian "art" (eg, Piss Christ) as sacrilegious I'll listen to them. Until then, jam it.

  • TLBD||

    except that Muslims have a bug up their collective ass about it

    And the best part of being a libertarian is that we make fun of people with a bug up their ass on multiple subjects.

    Which is further proof that Shikha is a statist asshole with no business writing for a libertarian magazine.

  • BigT||

    "Shikha is a statist asshole with no business writing "

    Amen.

  • Jay Dubya||

    pretty sure that you dont know what a statist is.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Until progressives stand up and protest irrwvent anti-Christian art like they did the draw Muhammad contest...

  • Texasmotiv||

    I'm not sure I understand why Islam gets this sort of special treatment. People who are super critical of Christianity (to the point of vitriol) are not labeled and shamed as hateful or anything like that as well they shouldn't. I think that both sides of people have a hard time separating race from culture and culture from ideas.

    It's a fools errand to think that we could ever erase hate from our society. It's as central to humanity as love, lust, greed, desire. A world without hate would have to be a world without people. The only thing you can hope to do is try to referee and keep things fair.

  • ||

    People who are super critical of Christianity (to the point of vitriol) are not labeled and shamed as hateful or anything like that as well they shouldn't.

    I think that's a legitimate source of frustration. A lot of the people who are most condemning of Christianity are very quick to issue apologias for Islam, and vice-versa.

    When I started grad school in humanities in 1996 prejudice against Islam was still perfectly acceptable - it was one of the last acceptable prejudices (besides against conservative Christians and Republicans). They hate women, dontcha know?

    After 9/11 Islam was rapidly rehabbed, and now suddenly it's considered more feminist than Christianity. Which is absurd.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I met a few progresses in the past 3 years who bring up Muslims or Islam when they get angry at me. It's similar to the way a lady mentions how much her boyfriend can bench press when she doesn't like the person she's talking to.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    it was one of the last acceptable prejudices (besides against conservative Christians and Republicans

    Quit whimpering, ladies.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    By Jove, I think Square=Circle understands it. By Mohammed, I think Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland sounds like the type of sexist who believed mathematics was too difficult for my mom to study.

  • Devastator||

    I pretty much equally oppose Christianity and any other religion whenever given a chance. They all believe in sky wizards and texts written hundreds of years ago by dudes on hallucinogens.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Yeah, whatever. But all you are doing with your faux superiority is ducking the issue. Better luck next time

  • ||

    They all believe in sky wizards and texts written hundreds of years ago by dudes on hallucinogens.

    Your deep and wide-ranging knowledge on the subject of the history of religion is quite impressive, sir - my hat goes off to you!

  • TLBD||

    Maybe, but Jesus (fictional or not) was a good dude, and Christians try to emulate him (not always successfully). Mohamed was an epic asshole and a psychopath, and Muslims try to emulate him.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Jesus is documented as a living man. His status as a divinity, and time traveler are not.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I haven't bought into the supernatural aspects of my religion, but follow it for the moral guidance, community, and cultural heritage it provides. Research into psychiatry's DSM made me realize that progressives are just as ready to believe irrational things. The DSM considers a man mentally ill if he wears panties, but healthy if she wants to surgically remove her penis and testicles. Despite that, progressives are willing to grant more authority and funds to psychiatrists every year.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Choose reason. Every time.

    Especially over sacred ignorance and dogmatic intolerance. Most especially if you are older than 12 or so. By then, childhood indoctrination fades as an excuse for backwardness, intolerance, and superstition. By ostensible adulthood it is no excuse.

    Choose reason. Every time. Be an adult.

    Or, at least, try.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    *Yawn* Name an emotion, define it objectively, and describe how you intend to measure it objectively. If you studied any of Euclid's Geometry, you understand why I asked that question.

  • epsilon given||

    I agree, which is why I reject the Democrat party platform in its entirety, and a good portion of the Republican one.

  • Nardz||

    "I'm not sure I understand why Islam gets this sort of special treatment."

    1. They're a "victim" group in Western progressive thought.
    2. It's a dirty little secret, but terrorism works.

    How those two exist together?
    Blame the Marxist-Palestinian alliance from the 70s, the beginning of the modern era of terrorism.

  • SIV||

    The founder and leader of the PFLP was Roman Catholic.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    That might explain why the leader of the PLO and not the leader of the PFLP got appointed by Bill Clinton as the head of the Palestinians.

  • Brett Bellmore||

    "I'm not sure I understand why Islam gets this sort of special treatment."

    It's the beheading thing. It gets you respect in certain circles.

  • Henry||

    Merely hating a person or a group is not a crime, anymore than merely owning a firearm is. At worst, it is a social vice, and at best it is a rational response to a genuine evil. Crime only arises from acting to violate another person's rights in life, liberty, or property, regardless of whether it is engendered by hate or any other motive.

  • Devastator||

    Why? Because she supports immigrants and freedom of religion and you don't?

  • Hank Phillips||

    I had never heard of Geller until the Garland coroner's office was mopping up the blood. A motorcycle-riding objectivist who used to teach Diff. Eqs. tipped me off abt the successful berserker trap. I have liked Geller ever since.

  • JNYC||

    I don't get it either. A "hater" for challenging a taboo? Since when did we libertarians and free thinkers shy away from making fun of intolerant and dogmatic belief systems? Shikha should try another venue.

  • Rich||

    Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists

    Very professional.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Not unless they included a binary key.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I wish I could take credit for helping SPLC see the light

    There's a fine line between "seeing the light" and being embarrassed by your own actions. Trust me on this.

  • Henry||

    Me too – what used to be called half a century ago "raw, deadly, actinic light."

  • JeremyR||

    Of course, genuine Islamists have tried to kill Pamela Geller, so maybe she kinda has a point?

  • SQRLSY One||

    Yes, good point!

    "Nawaz believes that Islam is a religion of peace and is publicly spooked by the rising Islamophobia in the West. "

    Well how many Islamists worldwide have committed suicide bombings in the lest 5 years? And how many Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and atheists and agnostics have done the same? I would DEARLY love to see the numbers, especially per capita!

    So a question:

    If 10 % of Islamists are assholes, are they now assholes who I can call assholes? Or are they still followers of a "religion of peace"?
    If 30 % of Islamists are assholes, are they now assholes who I can call assholes?
    If 60 % of Islamists are assholes, are they now assholes who I can call assholes?
    If 90 % of Islamists are assholes, are they now assholes who I can call assholes?
    Finally...
    If 99.5 % of Islamists are assholes, are they now assholes who I can call assholes? Or are they still followers of a "religion of peace"? Their religion is good, but they are almost all assholes?

    I do not think that they are anywhere near being all assholes, to be clear. I do wonder when the decent ones among them will rise up and tar and feather their assholes!!!

    In the meantime, the above question does deserve pondering...

  • ||

    Well how many Islamists worldwide have committed suicide bombings in the lest 5 years? And how many Christians and Buddhists and Hindus and atheists and agnostics have done the same?

    If you remove the "suicide" qualifier and change it to just "bombings," do the metrics change at all?

  • Trigger Warning||

    It becomes the Religion of Peace?

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Not as between Islam and Christianity, no. Unless of course you count all the drone bombings in the Middle East which you can't, really, because after all we have separation of church and state

  • Devastator||

    You don't really know any muslims do you? There are plenty more moderates than radicals. But man when they're radical they are really off the farm at that point. Don't act like there aren't Christian extremists too. Religion is a cancer to the mind and free thinking individual

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Faux equivalency is the refuge of the intellectually barren

  • ||

    Religion is a cancer to the mind and free thinking individual

    Whereas blanket condemnations of whole systems of thought is the essence of freethinking, amirite?

  • soldiermedic76||

    Wonder if anyone has told him that the Protestant Reformation was one the main catalysts of the Enlightenment? Or that many of our greatest scientific discoveries were the result of the Catholic Church?

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    'My fairy tale is the best fairy tale.'

    Always charming, especially among ostensible adults.

  • epsilon given||

    I'm still waiting to see if you'll give up on your fairy tale that the Democrats are the good guys, and that Republicans and Libertarians are Satan's legions, led by Satan Incarnate him/herself (who happens to be Trump at the moment, but really, any Republican is considered Satan Incarnate, particularly if he/she is leading the Party of the moment).

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    Sure there are christian extremists. They just dont control entire countries and have nuclear weapons programs and multi billion dollar international terror networks.

    Seriously, if you see the slightest bit of equivalence between christian extremism and islamic extremism, then you're an idiot with a valueless opinion.

  • soldiermedic76||

    And for the most part theu tend to be roundly condemned by most mainstream Christians and shunned by mainstream Christianity. There are probably some exceptions.

  • Paloma||

    Bingo!

  • sharmota4zeb||

    The Pew Research Center might give you the statistics you want. They conduct surveys of various populations on a range of topics.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

  • Hank Phillips||

    After Geller (whose website at the time sported Who Is John Galt?) organized the art contest and two Saracen suicide berserkers incompetently attacked security personnel in an effort to crash the party (in Garland, Texas, no less!), I cried. Seriously, I laughed so hard tears ran down. If this was a "cheap stunt" by a "vicious troll," it's still the best thing since Cheap Thrills by Janis Joplin.

  • beteille||

    They still track 114 Anti-Muslim groups on the "hate map" here:
    https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    So, I open that map and, of course, I immediately look up what's going down in AZ. I see Sierra Vista is on the map, which is a pretty small city, and so I wonder what the group might be.

    The answer? Border Patrol.

    So, Border Patrol is a lot of assholes and such, but calling them a hate group is an awfully big stretch.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    And Phoenix has a group called "Bomb Islam" which is a little on the nose, guys.

  • Agammamon||

    What, and no hate groups out here in Yuma?

    I can assure you that no one hates Mexican immigranst more than Mexican-Americans.

    oh, and that 'American Border Patrol' and 'US Border Guard'? They're not the CBP agency. They're little anti-immigrant groups that just use a similar name.

  • ||

    "Freelance Border Patrol," if you will.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Don't laugh. Canada had a vigilante Butt Squad. Not what you're thinking, but rather a bunch of cigarette tariff patrollers organized to blow the whistle on yank smugglers in 1992. (Stanstead Journal Jan 22)

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Ah, they used to be called Minutemen when I was a kid. Is it those guys?

  • Agammamon||

    Sort of, just more, you know . . . pathetic.

    Instead of just snowbirds wasting their winters, these guys are people with actual lives wasting them worrying about Chuy and Jorge coming up with the pots trying to steal the white wimmin.

  • JesseAz||

    If you want to see a private illegal Democrats head exode, quote them Cesar Chavez's views on illegal immigration.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    According to a National Review article, Chavez's followers organized a hate group to beat up illegal immigrants coming in from Mexico. Remember those articles about how America can end violence in other countries by removing ourselves from the countries were "we don't belong"?

  • Jerryskids||

    Here's the hate group near me that the AJC felt compelled to write a couple of "shocking" articles about.

    No doubt the intrepid reporters for the AJC were led by the nose by that "Journalist's Guide" - the lazy bastards don't even have to bother going to the SPLC website to dig shit up, the SPLC sends ready-written crap right to them.

  • soldiermedic76||

    They've always done this shit. Back in the 1980s they always made a big deal out of the Aryan Nations compound in North Idaho. I grew up in Kootenai County and never saw a real skinhead in Coer d'Alene (saw a few in Spokane though). Turns out there was never more than 25 of those fucks ever living their.

  • GILMORE™||

    "" yesterday came word that the SPLC quietly scrapped its list called the Journalist's Manual: Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists.""

    And they immediately put up a new list of people described as "pathways to the alt-right"...

    .... based on a poll which literally has 4 people citing their @*()#$@()$ names as 'influences'.

    I don't blame the SPLC for being political hit-men. I blame journalists who cite them as even remotely credible. Which includes the vast majority of people in the NYT and WaPo.

    They use them whenever they fucking can. The "pepe" freakout was pumped by everyone in the press.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Sweet, they have a section of 4chan. Something I am intimately familiar with.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Then came Gamergate, a harassment campaign against women in gaming that began in 2014.

    Haha, no. That's a very slanted description of it, which ignores what actually started it, which was the too close relationship between gaming companies and gaming criticism.

    Abusers used 4chan and other platforms to organize. After choosing their targets, the mob would dox them, send them rape and death threats, distribute fake pornographic images of them.

    Unfortunately, /v/ did act like a bunch of shitheads during this time, which only made the event worse.

    Alongside /pol/, Reddit was another crucial space in the growth of the alt-right — especially the infamous subreddit r/The_Donald,

    Which has tremendous overlap, and much of the radicalization of /pol/ in the last election came from an invasion from The_Donald.

    He became a libertarian after reading the works of Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand, but — after finding sources on human biodiversity — said he realized that libertarianism wasn't "going to work for everyone" because different racial groups couldn't be expected to behavior properly without a state to regulate them.

    And so he completely abandoned the core concepts of Libertarianism, and so calling it a libertarian issue is fucking stupid. .

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    One TRS user said that he was a libertarian until he realized that his fellow believers "were fags for being 'so principled' with their open borders bullshit, that they ensured their desired society would never come about,"

    Damn, sad to see Crusty posts on TRS.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    he realized that libertarianism wasn't "going to work for everyone" because different racial groups couldn't be expected to behavior properly without a state to regulate them.

    Hmmm, let me see if I can fix that sentence.

    He realized that libertarianism wasn't "going to work for everyone" because different racial groups mentally ill people with genetically caused chemical imbalances in their brains couldn't be expected to behavior properly without a state to regulate them.

    Now that should be acceptable to progresses. Racism offends progressives, because any uneducated person can assign someone to a race based on skin color. The same progressives see psychiatry as wisdom, because only a state licensed mental health professional can classify someone with the DSM. In both cases, people loose their rights and equality before the law due to perceived genetic differences.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I don't blame the SPLC for being political hit-men. I blame journalists who cite them as even remotely credible. Which includes the vast majority of people in the NYT and WaPo.

    This is really the crux of the matter. There are lots of people who post 'enemies lists'. It's as old as the printing press. But when 'serious' journalists keep referring to their lists as authoritative, it just enables them.

  • John C. Randolph||

    I gave up on the "serious journalists" back when Dan Rather tried to pass off those incompetently-forged docs to try to throw the election to Dukakis.

    -jcr

  • GILMORE™||

    Gore.

    but its funnier to say "Dukakis"

  • ||

    Everything is funnier about Dukakis.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

  • Texasmotiv||

    Reading SPLC try to explain these "hate groups" seems a little like listening to your grandma talk about her emails. She doesn't know what she's talking about and she is terrified of them.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Dear sir,

    Thank you for your email, but I'm quite satisfied with my penis size at this time. Should I not be at a later date, I'll be happy to consider your products first.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Your grandma has a penis?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    That grandmother is a transgender lesbian married to a cisgender lesbian.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Yeah, Pepe. Who could vote for a candidate who was freaked out by a cartoon frog?

  • Eidde||

    Hello my darling, hello my baby, hello my ragtime gal
    Send me a kiss by wire, baby my heart's on fire

    /Funnier cartoon frog

  • ||

    Seems grossly telling that I have to ask has the SPLC ever listed a socialist hate group intrinsically? I know they've listed socialist groups under racist and nationalist auspices, and have made some limp-wristed denouncements of eco-terrorists, but socialist groups who bomb buildings, occupy streets, and explicitly hate capitalists and capitalism generally aren't listed and never have been, right?

    I mean, it makes sense. Their the SPLC. If people started making money and taking their own legal affairs in hand the SPLC would be out of a job. I suppose listing socialist groups as hate groups would make it too obvious that the SPLC is arguably, itself, a hate group.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Are you suggesting that SPLC's list actually represents an unstated political agenda? No.... how could it be?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Wait? They really call Charles Murray a white nationalist? Man. That's a characterization.

  • Eidde||

    "the same league as Geller who sponsored the infamous Draw-A-Mohammad cartoon....a cheap stunt by a vicious troll."

    I would have thought that trying to crash the event and kill people - as some terrorists did - is more hateful than drawing pictures of a religious figure.

    "it might well have branded Luther a bigot and a hater"

    And they would have been right

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I attended a few services at my local historically black church in the past couple of years to get to understand the community better. The congregants are friendly, but some of the sentences in the sermons and readings are disturbing. One reading of the New Testament had scathing attacks on the ancient Israeli government.

    I've heard that the Koran contains nasty comments about Jews, Christians, and pagans. I'm tempted to print out quotes from the New Testament and the Koran with Cherokee replacing the originally targeted groups, attribute them to a fictional alt-right blogger, and publish them in the UK to see how long it takes for the Brits to charge that fictional blogger with violating hate speech laws.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Are you trying to convert me to hate?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "Let's not look back in anger"

    "Why not?"

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    You got me. Fine, I hate colored people now.

  • ||

    *ahem*

    I think you mean you hate People of Color, now, racist.

  • UnrepentantCurmudgeon||

    Reporting you to the National Association for Advancement of Colored People

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I love colored people. At least the hot looking chicks. For example. I want to love Nicole Bexley on all fours.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    One of his big conclusions at the end in that Europe will not be the same after immigration. I wonder if he believes that's anything but always the case. Take away immigration and things still change over time. I think that's a really powerful argument to people in the sense that it convinces people, but also not an actual meaningful idea as there's no way to prevent changes.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    In general he makes points that presume that the culture is uniform, and largely unchanging. That the changes then come from immigrants who refuse to integrate into some specific form of the culture.

    One thing I wonder about is why does Europe apparently have this issue with immigrants when a lot of the world doesn't. Our Somali population does not seem to be stirring up that much shit, for instance.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Meh ... check out this alt-right article complaining about families that immigrated to America and filled our neighborhoods with their babies but failed to teach them our language and our history.

    In related news, test results for New York City public schools show that only 37.8% of students in grades 3 to 8 are proficient in math and 40.6% are proficient in English. When students are separated into Asian, White, Black, and Hispanic, their test scores show a clear ethnic disparity. But move along folks. New York City is a progressive city. There's nothing wrong with their government run schools.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    I like the fact that the German's have a word for what is happening in Europe.

  • GILMORE™||

    SPLC on Libertarianism

    Libertarianism is a common path to the alt-right. In fact, it was frustration with libertarianism that led Peinovich to create The Right Stuff. He became a libertarian after reading the works of Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand, but — after finding sources on human biodiversity — said he realized that libertarianism wasn't "going to work for everyone" because different racial groups couldn't be expected to behavior properly without a state to regulate them. TRS's Ricky Vaughn — unmasked as Douglass Mackey on April 3 — described a similar trajectory. The one-time Ron Paul supporter eventually rejected libertarianism because it failed to account for many things that "drive current events" like "race, culture, all those kind of things." He first grew frustrated with feminism, and then, after the shooting of Trayvon Martin, openly embraced racism.

    Six posters mentioned Ron Paul as one of their political starting points, and 16 others mentioned libertarianism more generally.
  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    To be fair to the SPLC, isn't the rank retardation in progressivism the pathway to the so-called alt-right?

  • ||

    That these people all rejected libertarianism proves that libertarianism is a path to fascism. What's so hard to understand about that?

  • Eidde||

    Look at Hillary's career - support for Barry Goldwater is a pathway to being a corrupt Democrat.

  • ||

    By George I think you're onto something!

    Hitler and Stalin had some ideas in their youths, too, didn't they?

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    In about ten years, the SPLC will claim that being a moderate Democrat is 'a common path to the alt-right.'

  • John C. Randolph||

    he realized that libertarianism wasn't "going to work for everyone"

    It offers nothing to the kind of shitheads who desire power over other people. Duh.

    -jcr

  • Devastator||

    How many of the Neo Nazi/White Supremicists claim to be Republican? There's only 2 (3 if you count Libertarians) parties to start with, how many fuckos are going to pick a "right" leaning party before they move on to full idiocracy of the white supremicist groups. It's a non-story. It's got nothing to do with being libertarian or republicans and everything with being a racist retard who has limited outlook on life or ability to come up with a complete thought of any originality.

  • soldiermedic76||

    I don't know, however, I am pretty sure there are a few KKK groups who still claim to be Democrats.

  • kevrob||

    Socialism has been a "path to fascism" since Mussolini invented it.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Socialists, fascists and communists don't disagree on controlling everyone. They just disagree on who is in charge and the exact mechanisms of control. They are all the bastard children of Marx.

  • GILMORE™||

    When the SPLC asserted the phrase, "Drain the Swamp" was coded-racism.

    The method they employ - which many "respected, mainstream journalists" also use, btw - is not to directly suggest that the term *itself* means anything racist.... but that because the term was a popular hashtag with some accounts on twitter which ALSO occasionally said racist things, that therefore the term is tainted by racism.

    The same argument has been put forth by "respected, mainstream" people who will cite *comments sections* as evidence that an article or author are themselves hate-mongers.

    (just think how easy this point is made re: w/ Reason? All you need is a few retards like Hihn, and voila! Libertarianism is a hive of crazy old men)

    This was used vs. Kevin Williamson by many, and is routinely used to demonize people like Sam Harris, Pinker, Peterson, etc. "They attract right-wing kooks!, ergo, they are themselves stained by association"

    Consider the utility of actively maintaining a few right-wing kook fake/false-flag-accounts. why, all you need to do is go to public forums and declare your support for X persona, and in due time they've been shunned by 'mainstream' media.

  • 10mm||

    "This is terribly unfortunate given that the country really could use a credible outfit tracking hate and hate groups at this juncture"

    What does tracking hate mean? What is a hate group?

    Is this some sort of pre-crime squad that allows authorities to intervene before there's an actual crime committed? Or is hate a crime now, I forget...

  • soldiermedic76||

    All you need to understand is explained by reading the author's name.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Meaning she is a well known hack and this is probably the closest article of hers that is anything close to being halfway decent. I was surprised when I read she wrote it. Most the time I can't past the first paragraph of her tirades.

  • Butter Balls||

    I see nothing wrong with a draw Mohammed competition. Religions should be criticised and are fair game for mockery, especially one which has members who kill people for drawing its 'prophet'.

  • SQRLSY One||

    Amen, Brother Butter!!! And I am NOT just buttering you up!!!

    (But please do NOT make fun of Scienfoology, 'cause Scienfoology is TOTALLY sacred!!!! )

  • Brett Bellmore||

    Like Islam, it's totally sacred, or else.

  • SQRLSY One||

    For ex-members of the "church" of Scientology, what you say is true for them especially, yes!

    You may or may not know this, but I really-actually meant the Church of Scienfoology, which is TOTALLY different! We Scienfoologists are way-way-WAY tolerant of EVERYTHING!

    To learn more about Scienfoology, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/ ... And ye can be SAVED!!!

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Is Scientology like the church of the chemical imbalance of the brain. Cause I hear that one is based on science too. Like, we all know how to objectively measure feelings and thoughts with our psychometer. It's on the lab bench next to our sarcastometer.

  • BigT||

    And leave pastafarianism alone. The FSM will get revenge....

    ...indigestion!

  • sharmota4zeb||

    My brother, who joined the Church if the Flying Spaghetti Monster, would be offended by your comment if he could sober up.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Shikha wrote a minimally viable product as to libertarian standards. It is most unfortunate that given the quantity of comments that there were many readers of the equivocating article. It would appear the SPLC had reached her in that she is unable to dutifully denounce them completely, and instead she chose to play the role of regressive and still attack those the SPLC illegitimately savagely attacked.

    Keep working on your acting skills, Shikha. Your slip is still showing. And fuck off.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Dude, you can tone down the vitriol.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    I did dial out down, sadly. My distaste, distrust, and complete hatred of her is difficult to tone down.

  • Widhalm19||

    For the life of me, I cannot understand why Reason publishes the far-Leftist propaganda written by Shitha. She is no Libertarian by a country mile ... miles.

  • Deplorable Victor||

    SPLC is evil. No misfortune that could befall them, no crime that could be committed against any of their creeps, would be bad. They should all be dead.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    SPLC did some excellent work fighting lingering segregation in the South in the 1970s

    Southern racism more than lingers today; it was going strong during the '70s.

    Libertarians, moderates, and liberals understand this. Conservatives like to pretend we have reached a colorblind society, at least outside the opportunities to whine about perceived persecution of whites.

  • BigT||

    The South is more tolerant and colorblind than Boston, Chicago, NYC, LA, SF, and Seattle.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    The South continues to constitute a substantial educational, moral, political, economic, and cultural drag on our nation to this day.

    It is reasonable to wonder whether decent, patriotic Americans, operating in the wake of the Civil War, would have enabled some or all of the southern states to resume statehood had they known the degree to which the relevant region would continue to be a stain and drain on the United States of America.

    I sense they might have chosen to established a string of unincorporated American territories along our southern border (resembling Puerto Rico). Imagine an America with no senator from Alabama, no representative from South Carolina, no electoral vote from Mississippi.

    I can't blame the folks who made the decision, though. They beat the bigots when it counted.

  • Henry||

    The only actual difference being that the southern governments created laws to perpetuate the cultural milieu, while the northern governments created laws which pretend to forbid it.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Are we allowed to remember the LA riots, or are Asian's White too? Cause, "Italian" and "Chinese" are often slang for "Juice" in my neck of the woods.

  • Fuck you, Shikha (Nunya)||

    Thank you for your completely pointless contribution. Now that you have some moral superiority going for you there shouldn't be an issue feeling as though you accomplished something today. Or does it last a week?

  • Hank Phillips||

    Learn sth every day. Here I was under misguided the impression that trailer homes were the plushest buildings in Alabama.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Hey, I know plenty of homeless people who wish they had a trailer home to live in.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Learn sth every day. Here I was under misguided the impression that trailer homes were the plushest buildings in Alabama.

  • Flinch||

    For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody listens to the goons a SPLC anymore. These clowns see white supremacists in their cheerios every morning, and yet nobody asks what meds they are on? Incredible.

  • Widhalm19||

    The SPLC is a hate group itself.

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