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What I Saw at Milo Yiannopoulos's Sad, Aborted Free Speech Week Disaster at Berkeley

Everyone is to blame.

MiloRobby SoaveBERKELEY—A wall of police barricades surrounded the near-empty Sproul Plaza where Milo Yiannopoulos had intended to kick-off "free speech week." Half a century earlier, radical students had launched the Free Speech Movement from those same steps.

Speaking for just a few moments to a crowd of perhaps 30 people—security was so tight that at least a hundred others were still stuck in line—Yiannopoulos vowed to return to Berkeley again one day, and then signed autographs—and at least one fidget spinner—before beating a hasty retreat.

Elsewhere, pockets of antifa-sympathizers and alt-right irritants marched down the streets of Berkeley, hurling insults, and occasionally fists, at each other.

This event Sunday—formally cancelled by Milo in his incredibly brief remarks—was a disaster in every sense of the word, and a sad reflection on the current state of free speech on university campuses.

All parties involved are at fault: primarily the organizers, but also the university, and Berkeley's frustratingly illiberal community.

The Berkeley Patriot, the conservative student group working with Yiannopoulos to host a series of right-wing speakers at the campus this week, screwed up so badly that one wonders if they ever intended the event to actually take place. Even Lucian Wintrich, a writer for Gateway Pundit and notorious pro-Trump troll, thinks the whole thing was a setup. The organizers only made a half-hearted attempt to engage speakers for the event; many who were billed as participating never agreed to do so.

Berkeley administrators, unlike those at other campuses, have maintained they are committed to protecting free speech on campus, and deserve praise for it. Organizers claimed the administration tied their hands, but offered no evidence that campus officials were anything but accommodating in the weeks leading up to the event.

BarricadesRobby SoaveThat said, the security measures taken by the university on Sunday were incredibly restrictive, making it impossible for the planned rally to proceed. All of Sproul Plaza was blocked off, and the only access point had a metal detector. No one was allowed through with a bag, purse, or backpack, and the process was so time-consuming that only about 20 or 30 people had cleared security by the time Yiannopoulos appeared. At least a hundred students, and possibly more, were still in line.

These security measures seemed excessive to me. But if they were necessary, it was because of the threat of heckling and violence from left-leaning protesters—which brings us to the Berkeley community. Yiannopoulos, or anyone else, should be able to give a speech on the steps of Sproul Plaza without the protection of police barricades and one hundred cops. He couldn't, and that's the fault of people who have vowed to shut down everyone, violently if need be, with whom they disagree.

After Yiannopoulos's departure, I followed demonstrators and counter-demonstrators as they marched. The left chanted "No Trump, No KKK, No Fascist USA," while the right chanted "Move, cucks, get out the way, get out the way cucks get out the way." Several tense moments necessitated police intervention. I saw police tackle and arrest a member of antifa who had gotten physical with a conservative. Later, the alt-right surrounded a communist book store and made threatening advances toward the door until police forced them away.

Never before had it seemed so obvious to me that antifa and the alt-right were two sides of the same illiberal coin. A pox on both their houses, and a big fat middle finger to everyone who had a hand in either sabotaging free speech, or shackling it behind a wall of police barricades.

Photo Credit: Robby Soave

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  • WakaWaka||

    "Unlike at other campuses, Berkeley administrators have maintained that they are committed to protecting free speech on campus, and deserve praise for saying so."

    You obviously aren't aware about the various hurdles the administration put up for Ben Shapiro to speak (enhanced security fee, restricting the time and place of the speech, restricting the number of participants at the last minute, etc). You must be sincerely stupid. The only university that is actually defending free speech is the University of Chicago and only they should receive praise.

    Defund all universities

  • Hugh Akston||

    Your link to the Ben Shapiro stuff is broken.

  • WakaWaka||

    I can't figure out how to link here anymore. FIRE documented the initial rejection from the University and their stonewalling tactics. I know free speech doesn't matter to cosmotarians (unless it is woke football players protesting the anthem then suddenly its all about the First Amendment), but just pretend like government funded institutions censoring speakers is important

  • mortiscrum||

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  • Quixote||

    We should all be grateful for the stringent security measures taken to silence these "free speech" abusers, most of whom are certainly ignorant of the important restrictions on "expression" imposed by the courts in recent years, including above all in our nation's leading criminal "satire" case. Surely no one here would dare to defend the "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated judge in that case? See the documentation at:

    https://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • rates_spam||

    3/5

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    You must be sincerely stupid.

    Compared to you, isn't everyone?

  • Tony||

    Why is anti-intellectualism always part of the bargain with you people?

  • WakaWaka||

    Anti-intellectualism is best found on college campuses that perpetuate a homogeneous world view.

  • Tony||

    And do you know that by having visited a bunch of universities, or is it something some fat right-wing moron told you?

  • Hail Rataxes||

    Stop hitting yourself

  • WakaWaka||

    Umm, the very next article for example.

  • Brian||

    Not everyone has the resources to investigate Oklahoma State University (you know: privilege and all).

  • Rockabilly||

    Comrade Tony - have you discovered the wonders of the socialist state?

    If not Comrade Kim Jong-un, Chairman of the Workers' Party of Korea and supreme leader of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, invites you to bask in its wonders !!!

  • David Nolan||

    How does being so childish advance your cause, if you have one?
    .

  • buybuydandavis||

    Why is anti-intellectualism always part of the bargain with you people?

    The post modern Marxists ruling universities maintain that logic is a tool of patriarchal white supremacy to silence marginalized voices.

    "Intellectualism"

  • John C. Randolph||

    Marxists, despite all their pretense, are not intellectuals. Only idiots like you believe that they are.

    -jcr

  • rudehost||

    "Why is anti-intellectualism always part of the bargain with you people?"

    Says Tony practicing in the mirror blissfully unaware of the delicious irony.

  • mpercy||

    Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' Isaac Asimov

  • mpercy||

    Of course, I would not confuse what campus SJW and ANTIFA spout as any sort of intellectualism. Nor would much of anything that ended with "...studies".

  • Azathoth!!||

    Why is anti-intellectualism always part of the bargain with you people?

    Because the worship by idiots of idiots they perceive as 'intellectual' works to the good of no one.

    We prefer the application of intelligence instead of the mewling of 'intellectuals'.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Tony, no 9ne is duller, more vapid, and idiotic than a progressive. You believe yourselves to be somehow intellectual. You are not. You are weak, stupid, and ignorant.

    Once again, I must remind you that you are a near mindless moron. Your life has no value, so go drink your Drano.

  • ||

    One of the more delicious ironies here is that the sliver of concrete apron you can see on the left of the picture just behind the barricade is the literal "Free Speech Spot" where there is a plaque declaring the space to be a space of absolute freedom subject to the laws of no country.

  • IStandWithMilo||

    These corrupt administrators have no problem gobbling up massive salaries courtesy of student tuition and taxpayer money. Time to fire all of the overpaid bureaucrats who do everything they can do drown free speech advocates like Milo in red tape. This parasitic class of people needs to go!

  • ALWAYS RIGHT||

    Purdue also strongly defends free speech.

  • Uncle Jay||

    The only university that is actually defending free speech is the University of Chicago and only they should receive praise."

    Ohio State and Michigan State also has defended free speech, but you're right about defunding all universities. That's long overdue.

  • David Nolan||

    ... because your own assault on free speech is somehow more noble?

  • SutureSelf||

    "Unlike at other campuses, Berkeley administrators have maintained that they are committed to protecting free speech on campus, and deserve praise for saying so."

    This statement is ambiguous. Does it mean that the administrators deserve praise or that the administrators have maintained that they deserve praise?

  • Episteme||

    "She shouldn't have dressed like that if she didn't want to get raped." — Robby Soave

  • Hugh Akston||

    Look Robby, I know you think that framing this as a complicated issue makes you look smart, but I'm a H&R commenter, so I need to know how this is all the fault of antifa and ultimately Hillary Clinton.

  • chemjeff||

    As you know, since Democrats started the Civil War over 100 years ago, that makes Hillary Clinton directly responsible for both Antifa and the KKK. Those darn proggies!

  • WakaWaka||

    So, publicly funded institutions should be allowed to censor speech? And those who use violence against speakers are justified?

    I'm surprised chemjeff. You're usually principled.

  • Hugh Akston||

    That's an...interesting conclusion to draw from what chemjeff posted. Or are you seeing different words than the rest of us? Your posts suddenly make a lot of sense if you're engaging with the people in your head rather than actual commenters' actual comments.

  • WakaWaka||

    Hugh, you are a noted useful idiot. I'd rather not engage with you.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I understand. Actually having to defend the things you say takes all the thrill out of dropping hot takes.

  • WakaWaka||

    Yeah, defending free speech is vile. Cosmotarians are useful idiots through and through

  • SIV||

    Face it, Hugh. Your girl lost. MAGA

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    This guy gets it.

  • Fk_Censorship||

    It's Hillary Clinton's fault, isn't it? Because she said some things when pandering for votes. Personal responsibility is so 19th century and all that...

  • David Nolan||

    Look Robby, I know you think that framing this as a complicated issue makes you look smart

    I know you think that adding Hillary makes you look smart. ....

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    Why listen to boring speeches inside the sterile zone when you can role play "The Revolution" in the streets?

  • Eric Schmidt||

    This. Nobody is preventing Milos, Ben, and Ann from speaking to a flash mob, and they wouldn't be arrested for doing so. People speaking where they aren't particularly welcome have always had to be innovative. These people aren't being prevented from speaking, they just want to do it in a very cushy, first class, comfort zone. And they want to hold the University hostage to give themselves publicity, which is how they make their living.

  • Brother Kyfho||

    > These people aren't being prevented from speaking, they just want to do it in a very cushy, first class, comfort zone

    How dare they demand to not be assaulted while they speak!! WHITE PRIVILEGE!!!!!!!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Speaking for just a few moments to a crowd of perhaps 30 people—security was so tight that at least a hundred others were still stuck in line—Yiannopoulos vowed to return to Berkeley again one day, and then signed autographs—and at least one fidget spinner—before beating a hasty retreat.

    These come across as nested em dashes. I will defend with my life your right to do it, but it's confusing.

  • ||

    Is there anything more annoying than Word changing En dashes to Em dashes? FFS, I don't need a long and proud Em. I'll stick to En, thank you very much.

  • Rhywun||

    You probably don't use a proper Oxford comma either SMDH

  • Tony||

    Um, they have entirely distinct purposes.

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    "Move, em dash, get out the way, move em dash, get out the way."

  • Eeyore||

    I believe in using nothing but minus signs anywhere you need a dash.

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    alt text: Vanilla Ice and posse.

  • ChipToBeSquare||

    "Move, cucks, get out the way" is one of the better chants I've heard. I have to hand it to those alt-right losers: they never stop trolling

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Is it ironic that a bunch of racists stole words from a black man?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    You really think that's a good chant?

  • Lily Bulero||

    "So bad it's good."

  • This Machine Chips Fascists||

    1 - 2 - 3- 4
    What the hell are we marching for?
    5 - 6 - 7 - 8
    Our right not to masturbate!

  • ChipToBeSquare||

    It's mostly that it's so damn unserious, taking lyrics from a terrible early 2000s rap song, and the other side is trying to make themselves out to be MLK 2.0

  • Elias Fakaname||

    More like Al Sharpton 2.0.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Organizers claimed the administration tied their hands, but offered no evidence that campus officials were anything but accommodating in the weeks leading up to the event.

    That said, the security measures taken by the university on Sunday were incredibly restrictive, making it impossible for the planned rally to proceed.

    Um...

  • David Nolan||

    Ummm .... you confused two separate issues. "The weeks leading up to" were not the event they were leading up to.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Here, let's try some help for you, David.

    This--

    security measures taken by the university on Sunday were incredibly restrictive, making it impossible for the planned rally to proceed.

    is evidence of this--

    Organizers claimed the administration tied their hands

    Making the planned rally impossible IS 'tying hands'.

    There.

  • David Nolan||

    Here, let's try some help for you, David.

    Same error. Now with a falsehood. Again:

    Ummm .... you confused two separate issues. "The weeks leading up to" were not the event they were leading up to.

    You changed his words, removing the time references ... then proclaimed they did not exist, because you removed them!

    You also deleted this

    but offered no evidence

    You may,of course, disagree with Robby's account ,... as part of some grand librul conspiracy (financed by George Soros?)

    But to lie about what he reported, then proclaim victory ("there") ... is the same deception that Rachel Maddow pulls several times every day. Thus, you've confirmed what I've been saying for nearly a half-century now:
    "Left - Right = Zero."

  • Azathoth!!||

    This is incredible.

    David, a bit more help.

    My post could have been rendered thusly and still deliver the same point--

    This--

    That said, the security measures taken by the university on Sunday were incredibly restrictive, making it impossible for the planned rally to proceed.

    is evidence of this--

    Organizers claimed the administration tied their hands

    Making the planned rally impossible IS 'tying hands'.

    No one proclaimed anything about time issues, not me, not Fist. You added them because you apparently think they're exculpatory somehow.

    They're not.

    This--

    but offered no evidence that campus officials were anything but accommodating in the weeks leading up to the event.

    is included when I say 'is evidence of this--'. The evidence that the university was NOT being accommodating in the weeks leading up to the rally is the extensive preparations they were clandestinely making to keep people OUT of the space.

    I hope that makes things clear enough for you--I can't really dumb this down anymore

  • Domestic Dissident||

    I thought Milo's 15 minutes of fame was up already, but Soave's obsession goes on and on and on.

  • IStandWithMilo||

    Domestic Dissident has a total crush on Milo! That's why he's here talking about him in the comments section of a Milo article.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Probably wants Milo to take him roughly from behind.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Am I the only person who believes that actually dividing the country would not be such a bad idea?

    The progs can have the West Coast and HI, the NE corridor [NY, MA, CT, RI, MD] and throw in IL for a flyover junction. The Re-Constitutionalized United States can keep everything else.

    This of course opens a wormy can of Pandora's Box as to the entire Pacific Region, dividing up defense resources and who gets to deal with the DPRK [I think that much is obvious] and then a host of treaties re trade, international cross border commerce and the like. But do you not like the idea on it's face? I'm thinking it would certainly made a good idea for self publishing.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Am I the only person who believes that actually dividing the country would not be such a bad idea?

    No.

  • Rhywun||

    At what point do you throw out PA or MN? Or FL? I'm sure there's something disagreeable to you there. I think what you really want is a bunker somewhere :)

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    I imagine everyone in IL outside of Chicago would not be happy with this deal.

    And I do think it'd be a bad idea, if it's simply trying to transition to 2 US-like nations. A more radical devolution of power, or a shift to a loose confederacy, strike me as less troublesome, if also less realistic.

  • ||

    ^ This.

    At some point it becomes clear that the basic divide is rural vs. urban. And, oddly enough, through most of human history, cities have had their own laws that didn't apply outside of their walls.

    I forget why we stopped doing that.

  • Lester224||

    Cities lean liberal/democrat. Lately, the conservative state legislatures have been trying to undo any city ordinances they don't like. Everybody (the liberals included) love local control only when it swings in their ideology's favor.

  • David Nolan||

    Am I the only person who believes that actually dividing the country would not be such a bad idea?

    Ever hear of Donald Trump?
    Your shrinking minority of shrieking tribal partisans is ... a shrinking minority.
    And the only ones who care.

  • Azathoth!!||

    The progs don't have a single state when you check their population concentrations.

    They have lots of people.............but not a lot of land. And almost no productive land

    They live in tiny densely populated blue dots in a sea of red.

    Splitting the blue from the red would leave the blue starving and powerless--without any of those people to run the power plants or staff the restaurants.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Why not just kick the progs out completely? Think how wonderful CA will be without them. And all those abandoned homes can be redistributed to their victims as reperations. Progs love redistribution and reperations.

  • Lily Bulero||

    Doesn't Reason hold free-speech events?

    If they're going to criticize other groups for *their* free-speech events, why not contrast with the much better free-speech events conducted by Reason.

    nb - Let me suggest that a truly effective free speech event would be held in a public university which professes a historic commitment to free speech, but with a history of certain speakers being disrupted. Eg, Berkeley.

    You speak of the need to distance yourself from the Alt Right. Why not ask Berkeley to schedule a debate - in the Free Speech Cafe (a thing that exists) - between Robert Spencer and a Reason staffer? This would simultaneously illustrate the point about bad speech being countered by good speech, while also attracting the antifas and disruptors and censors.

    And Berkeley isn't too far from Reason headquarters, is it?

    Just brainstorming, feel free to disregard, but that seems like a cool idea.

  • Lily Bulero||

    The Kochs could pay the security fees. It would probably take a billionaire to pay.

  • SIV||

    And Berkeley isn't too far from Reason headquarters, is it?

    Less than 400 miles!

  • Lily Bulero||

    A bullet train could take them there quickly and cheaply!

    /sarc

  • TGoodchild||

    Hyperloop, in fact. The public should get something out of all of those energy credits.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Get Shackford out. Combat the alt-right menace with the alt-text king.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Reason will be considered just as 'alt-right' as Milo and Coulter. Remember, we're talking about a group of progtards as dumb as Tony. Maybe even dumber. So tight security is a must. I suggest some biker vets. Like the ones who disrupted that progtard flag burning in NY a year or two ago.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    The left chanted "No Trump, No KKK, No Fascist USA," while the right chanted "Move, cucks, get out the way, get out the way cucks get out the way."

    I am so disappointed in everybody.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Right? They're horrible.

  • AlmightyJB||

    This is why white people don't rap.

  • Lily Bulero||

    You take that back!

    Potentially NSFW

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Some do tho

    Trigger warning: contains the phrase "angular Etruscan tchotchke."

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    It's like you read my mind.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    It is the same mind.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    It's hopeless. It's all hopeless.

  • Lily Bulero||

    Are you quoting someone, or coming up with your own slogan?

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    It's my new mantra for this place. It's that, or actually engage in the disingenuous commentary on both sides, both sides.

  • Lily Bulero||

    Whatever floats your boat, Little Miss Sunshine!

  • Tony||

    I doubt Berkeley is forking over millions of dollars for security because it's just that motivated to keep Ann Coulter from speaking. The security is necessary because the last time Milo cancelled his own event, the right-wingers rioted.

    All this over a "free speech" movement whose main grievance is not being able to say "nigger" in polite company.

  • Lily Bulero||

    OMG, Tony said *that word!*

  • Lily Bulero||

    "Look, when I say [bleep], I'm just showing how people who say [bleep] are bad people."

  • Lily Bulero||

    "It gives me no pleasure to say [bleep], I'm simply using the word for educational purposes. So stop criticizing me for saying [bleep]!"

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    This is not OK!

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    All this over a "free speech" movement whose main grievance is not being able to say "nigger" in polite company.

    It's not really surprising anymore to see you scrabbling in the dirt as the point flies over your head.

  • David Nolan||

    You're talking to yourself again.

  • Brendan||

    The right wingers rioted?

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Recently, ridiculous right wingers rioted righteously.

  • ||

    Why do I read that in the voice of Pilate from Life of Brian?

  • The Pirate King||

    I read it in the voice of Roger DeBris from "The Producers," Oh, Crusty, what alliteration!

  • ||

    Everyone has rioted at some point, which makes what Tony said partly true. That's as close to truth as Tony ever gets, so I say give it to him.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I would rather give him a bottle of Drano to drink.

  • David Nolan||

    Yes. But I understand your denial.

  • Rebel Scum||

    not being able to say "nigger" in polite company.

    To be honest the only people I really ever hear use the word "nigger" in polite company are blacks (to describe each other...).

  • ||

    Seriously. It's been about 30 years since I've heard an actual racist use the word "nigger." Not that there aren't racists anymore, they just know not to use that word anymore.

    As Carlin once said, "it's not the word 'nigger' that's the problem - it's the racist motherfucker who's saying it that's the problem."

  • Texasmotiv||

    Seriously. It's been about 30 years since I've heard an actual racist use the word "nigger."

    You aren't from Kentucky, are you?

  • Eric Schmidt||

    Or anywhere

  • Eric Schmidt||

    First time I ever heard that. Zzzzzz

  • buybuydandavis||

    Tony: the last time Milo cancelled his own event, the right-wingers rioted.

    If you're gonna lie, lie BIG.

  • John C. Randolph||

    If you're gonna lie, lie BIG.

    That's pretty much what Goebbels said, and of all the lying leftards who ever fouled this world, he was in the top ten.

    -jcr

  • John C. Randolph||

    If you actually believe that not being able to say "nigger" is their main grievance, then you are even stupider than I had taken you for, and that's a pretty impressive depth.

    -jcr

  • Eric Schmidt||

    They don't have grievances, they have book sales.

  • Cy||

    Tony isn't racist! He has a black friend!

  • Elias Fakaname||

    If by 'friend' you mean a black dude he met on Craigslist who powerfucks his ass them makes Tomy swallow A2M, then yes, Tony has a black friend.

  • Ariki||

    Haha Tony, you are such a cunt.

  • Tony||

    Okay, another of Milo's big whines is that he can't call people fat to their faces.

    Winning WW II, going to the moon, calling people fat to their faces. America marches onward!

  • Brother Kyfho||

    > the last time Milo cancelled his own event, the right-wingers rioted

    Yeah, those unruly alt-righters. Burning down Starbucks, terrorizing elderly people, attacking random strangers ... uh, wait a minute ...

  • ||

    the right chanted "Move, cucks, get out the way, get out the way cucks get out the way."

    I haz confused.

    I thought "cuck" was an epithet for a Republican who was not sufficiently conservative. But antifa types are also cucks?

    Please to explain, commentariat.

  • Lily Bulero||

    The best explanation I can come up with is they're nuts.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    It's become clear that "cuck" is just the sound it makes when a single, lonely neuron fires pointlessly into an empty skull.

  • Hugh Akston||

    The word has metastasized. Now cuck applies to anyone who disagrees with the alt-lite on anything.

  • ||

    The word has metastasized.

    You mean it wasn't just a translation of Untermensch?

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Until you provide a strict definition of the alt-lite, you're garbage.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    My understanding is that it started out as a general taunt about 'western' people inviting their own destruction and all that, which then got narrowed to the GOP when Trump took off. Or the two meanings developed together, or I've got it backwards and I'm a stupid poopyhead.

  • ||

    This is my understanding, too - immigrants are having their way with our "wife-country." A "cuck-servative" being a special species of this - like the guy who knows it, but won't do anything about it.

    But I, too, may not have been paying close enough attention, and may, too, be a stupid poopyhead.

  • John||

    Milo is not to blame here. Free speech means just that; free speech. It is not Milo's or anyone's responsibility to avoid pissing off the leftist congress of baboons that inhabit Berkely. I don't care what Milo said, nothing he said could possibly justify violence or attempts to disrupt his speech. The fact that those things happened is entirely the fault of the people who did those things. So no, Robby, everyone is not to blame.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Robby didn't blame Milo, if you read the article.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    When you can read minds there is no need to read printed words.

  • John||

    So I guess "everyone is to blame" doesn't mean "everyone is to blame"? I wasn't aware reading someone's words and taking them at their meaning implies mind reading. Do you just not read well and find those who do having some sort of miraculous power?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    On the contrary, because I read the article and found no blame assigned to Milo I came to the conclusion that Milo was not being blamed. I know, silly me, right?

  • John||

    Yes he did. Again, what part fo "everyone is to blame" do you not understand? The fact that he didn't call out Milo in particular doesn't make that statement mean anything other than what it does. Moreover, blaming the organizers is just as bad as blaming Milo. Free speech means they can organize whatever speech they want without having to worry about the sensibilities of the animals who inhabit Berkley.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    The fact that he didn't call out Milo in particular doesn't make that statement mean anything other than what it does

    Uh...

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Free speech means they can organize whatever speech they want

    Again, if you read the article, the Berkeley Patriots did a piss-poor job of organizing anything. You're caught up on the hyperbolic subhed and you're not accounting for the information contained in the actual article.

  • ||

    Well, Robby never explicitly blamed the speakers. Just the organizers.

  • John||

    Everyone is to blame is what he said. Beyond that, the organizers are not to blame either. Again, it is not up to anyone to avoid offending these animals. If they commit acts of violence, they are to blame.

  • ||

    A free speech event organizer does not have an obligation to ensure that no violent actions take place in the surroundings of the event. But when an event does turn chaotic, and the event forum providers had at least made an attempt in advance to be proactive, the event organizers may share some of the blame of a clusterfuck event if the proactive actions were ham-handed.

  • Eric Schmidt||

    Half the speakers weren't even booked and had conflicts. It was poorly planned. Understatement.

  • Rebel Scum||

    Haven't you heard? Milo, being a gay, ethnic jew with a fetish for black guys, totally a racist white-supremacist nazi. It's like you don't even sjw.

  • David Nolan||

    I don't care what Milo said, nothing he said could possibly justify violence or attempts to disrupt his speech.

    Did you say the same thing when the neo nazis and white supremacists initiated far greater violence in Charlottesville? Against people who were just standing peacefully?.

  • Azathoth!!||

    Against people who were just standing peacefully?

    You mean the protesters who'd stopped that car?

    The ones that got hit when that evil asshole rammed his charger into the crowd?

    Yes. Even though they weren't 'just standing peacefully'

    Nothing justifies violence being used to silence speech--a sentiment I have no doubt that you express no more than lip service to.

  • David Nolan||

    Against people who were just standing peacefully?

    You mean the protesters who'd stopped that car?

    Wrong event, but I understand why you'd evade the undeniable facts, all to support your laughably fraudulent conclusion.

    It was earlier, when your fascist cronies charged at peaceful counter-protesters, beating them with clubs, as they stood there peacefully -- which is probably why you lie..

    Nothing justifies violence being used to silence speech

    That's MY point!
    undeniable proof trumps your tribal babbling.and evasion.

    I have no doubt that you express no more than lip service to.

    I've just proven who the babbler is. Unless you have more than talk and dishonest evasion. Do you?

  • Azathoth!!||

    Michael, do you think you're fooling anyone?

  • Brother Kyfho||

    > Did you say the same thing when the neo nazis and white supremacists initiated far greater violence in Charlottesville? Against people who were just standing peacefully?.

    Bullshit. The police drove the alt-right into the counter demonstrators where they were immediately attacked by the so called anti fascists. There is evidence that the guy driving the care that allegedly killed Heather Heyer was part of a disinfo campaign. The organizer of the event was obviously a left wing provocateur, straight from the Occupy movement.

  • David Nolan||

    Behold the eagerly brainwashed troll. This one adds a CONSPIRACY to the normal bullshit

    Bullshit

    .(snort)

    The police drove the alt-right into the counter demonstrators where they were immediately attacked by the so called anti fascists

    Bend over. It will hurt less when I jam the truth up your sorry ass ...

    ....the video link IMMEDIATELY above your pathetic rant ... UNDENIABLE PROOF of how badly you've been brainwashed (no doubt eagerly) .;.. AND POSTED OVER AN HOUR BEFORE YOURS.

    It was fully visible. You posted immediately below it How'd ya miss the ... in-con-veeeeeen-yent truth?.
    Try again?

    Did you say the same thing when the neo nazis and white supremacists initiated far greater violence in Charlottesville? Against people who were just standing peacefully

    CHECK THE VIDEO BEFORE RESPONDING, THIS TIME..

  • Azathoth!!||

    Michael, you are aware that there are numerous videos, yes? That the one you constantly post isn't complete--or even the only version captured of that particular event?

  • Chris Griffith||

    Delve a bit more into Berkeley Patriots inability to plan and organize the event. One does not intentionally miss 3 deadlines to submit signed contracts unless one is not intending to actually present the event. Saying that university admin. was anything but cooperative is not just a red herring, it is an action that should come with an $800,000 price tag.

  • Lily Bulero||

    Hmmm...is it possible someone was getting cold feet?

  • ||

    Saying that university admin. was anything but cooperative is not just a red herring, it is an action that should come with an $800,000 price tag

    Free speech!

  • Episteme||

    Speech, free with purchase!

  • Sevo||

    "Delve a bit more into Berkeley Patriots inability to plan and organize the event. One does not intentionally miss 3 deadlines to submit signed contracts unless one is not intending to actually present the event."

    Any reason why a public university should require 'planning' for someone to give a speech?

  • mortiscrum||

    Yes this article is from Vox so you're probably not terribly inclined to like it (the headline is also a bit misleading), but I thought it was a really good overview of the intersection of practicality and speech rights.

  • Eric Schmidt||

    Um, reality.

  • John||

    If an organization of militant atheists organized a speech at Ave Maria or Liberty or some other conservative religious college and the administration wanted to charge them $800,000 for security to protect them from its lunatic students, I seriously doubt Robbie would be so even-handed in his evaluation. In that situation, Robby would have no problem figuring out who was to blame and it wouldn't be everyone or anyone except for the lunatic students.

    This is no different. And it is a shame that Robby can't be consistent in his judgment.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Your famous mind reading ability at work again. You really ought to figure out how to make money with it.

  • John||

    Can you get another trolling act? This one is getting really old. I get, you think anyone who doesn't give Robby every possible benefit of the doubt is engaging in "mind reading". Just type "you leave Robby alone" and leave it at that. Saying that is more honest, less stupid and less annoying and makes the same point.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    In that situation, Robby would have no problem figuring out who was to blame and it wouldn't be everyone or anyone except for the lunatic students.

    But it's not like you said what Robby would think in some hypothetical situation or anything.

  • David Nolan||

    John is a bellowing blowhard, who throws hissy fits when anyone calls out his wackiness.
    Here, he equates his own blatant lie about someone with giving that someone the benefit of doubt.
    Kinda like Herr Trump who whines that anyone who disagrees with him cannot accept that he was elected.. His bobbleheads nod in agreement, apparently also believing that he was elected Emperor.

  • David Nolan||

    This is no different

    Only if somebody was charged $800,000 here.
    Plus, Milo speaking at Berkeley is hardly equivalent to atheists speaking at Liberty University. Except to perhaps rightwing crazies.

  • Brother Kyfho||

    > This is no different.

    Waa-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-yyyyyyy different. Berkeley is a PUBLIC school. Liberty or any other hypothetical religious school is obviously private (1st amendment and all that)

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

  • ||

    That's a great No One Will Ever Believe You nugget, on account of the documentary proof.

  • Aloysious||

    All parties involved are at fault...

    No. People who want to peacefully assemble and talk are not at fault.

  • John||

    That is what I thought. But apparently, thinking that means you are claiming to read minds and hate Robby or something.

  • Aloysious||

    I blow lukewarm to cold on Rico Suave, and this type of rhetorical fence straddling, social or virtue signalling, or whatever it is he is trying to get across is not something I find appealing.

  • David Nolan||

    Just read the article again, instead of going ape-shit over a phrase that falsely ignored the context.

  • John||

    And no one should need a permit to hold a speech. I don't care if they were late on 100 permit applications. The whole idea that they needed a permit is illegitimate.

  • Lord_at_War||

    Remember- Having an ID requirement to vote is racist... Maybe we should call it a voting "permit"...

  • mortiscrum||

    I posted it in another comment up above, but this article gives a good explanation for things like permits and "requests" (because of the 1st, they are more like warnings of intent than a true request).

  • IStandWithMilo||

    I don't see anything "sad" about Milo's attempt to have a free speech event at a public university that receives massive federal funding. Do you know what I find sad? The corrupt cabal of overpaid administrators that did everything it could to stop this event from happening.

    They say that Free Speech Week is canceled at Berkeley. Is the First Amendment and the right to peaceably assemble also canceled as well?

  • Rebel Scum||

    "No Trump, No KKK, No Fascist USA,"

    They don't know what the klan or fascism are.

  • Episteme||

    That's what happens when someone spends all of college protesting instead of going to class?

  • Lily Bulero||

    It's like the nightmares some people get where they suddenly realize they missed all their classes, only this time you don't wake up, you get a participation trophy degree (unless the class in question is actually serious - the activists have to take care to avoid such classes).

  • Johnny B||

    You forget: There are a whole bunch of majors on campus that are exactly about protesting and virtue signalling. I think of them as "grievance studies" but anything with "studies" in the name is bound to be not about learning how the world works, but learning how to change it to a particular view's way of thinking.

  • Texasmotiv||

    They seem to barely know what trump is...

  • David Nolan||

    They know enough to equate Trump with racism and fascism. Why are his suckups so blind?

  • ||

    "...and notorious pro-Trump troll..." Come on Robby, leave the editorial out of it. Just call him pro-Trump.

  • KevinP||

    EVERYONE IS TO BLAME.

    The dark cloud of fascism is always descending upon the right but it always turns out to be composed of progressives and Democrats.

    Comprehensive List Of Attacks Against Conservatives by the left

    Dozens of attacks are listed. Read the full article.

  • KevinP||

    Berkeley administrators, unlike those at other campuses, have maintained they are committed to protecting free speech on campus, and deserve praise for it.

    A UC Berkeley Rioter Has Been Exposed, & He's a University Staff Member!

    http://theralphretort.com/uc-b.....ity-203017

  • MasterThief||

    An odd claim for Robby to make. I seem to recall professors, administrators, and staff from the school being involved in most of these left wing protests. At least one was caught initiating violence, but many have been out there chanting along with all the others trying to shut down speech they disagree with. Berkeley has claimed to respect free speech, but they have denounced any vaguely right-wing speakers even while begrudgingly allowing them to speak.

  • David Nolan||

    "At least one" exposes your own bigotry

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    So the TSA basically came to the event and the conservatives are all pissed off they had to wait in line.

    Poetic justice.

  • Lily Bulero||

    ...thus vindicating all the left-wing members of Congress who voted against the TSA?

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Are the left really against the TSA? I've seen pretty overwhelming support for it. Most recently, the Democrats fought against Republicans by advocating that MORE TSA agents are hired and asked for more funding for the TSA. (e.g. "Democrats fight cap on TSA screeners" on thehill.com)

    John Pistole, appointed by Obama, also took a shot at a very prominent libertarian in an op ed not too long ago. The Democrats are security-staters, very pro-war, pro-security, pro-surveillance. Sure, they fight against travel bans because of the discriminatory element to it, but they staunchly remain dedicated to massive police forces, militarized officers at airports, etc. Not to mention their views on gun control, where they openly admit to selling out liberty in favor of security.

    So the fact that they set up enhanced security screening at the event shouldn't be met with surprise. But I think this particular case shows the hypocrisy of the Republicans in an interesting light. Republicans generally believe that security is paramount but apparently object to enhanced security screening in a knowingly violent situation. Seems oddly inconsistent.

  • Lily Bulero||

    I thought you were blaming "conservatives" for the TSA, I'm very sorry.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    The TSA is truly a bipartisan shit-fest.

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: What I Saw at Milo Yiannopoulos's Sad, Aborted Free Speech Week Disaster at Berkeley
    Everyone is to blame.

    Everyone is to blame?
    Does that include those white, male, slave owning, capitalist pigs, English speaking, imperialist, James Madison, John Jay and Alexander Hamilton?

  • David Nolan||

    Does that include those white, male, slave owning, capitalist pigs, English speaking, imperialist, James Madison, John Jay and Alexander Hamilton?

    They were at Berkeley then? Who knew?

  • buybuydandavis||

    All parties involved are at fault

    All problems caused by international Marxist terrorists.

    Cucktarians blame those fighting for free speech.

    Reason is such a bad joke these days.

    Berkeley administrators, unlike those at other campuses, have maintained they are committed to protecting free speech on campus, and deserve praise for it. Organizers claimed the administration tied their hands, but offered no evidence that campus officials were anything but accommodating in the weeks leading up to the event.

    That said, the security measures taken by the university on Sunday were incredibly restrictive, making it impossible for the planned rally to proceed.

    So, there was no evidence. Except for the "incredibly restrictive" security measures that made "it impossible for the planned rally to proceed".

    State Apparatchiks who shut down free speech events with "Security is the new Shut Up" still "deserve praise" for gaslighting us with claims that " they are committed to protecting free speech on campus".

    Progressitarian Moment!

    More evidence that Social Justice is mental illness. It clearly causes retardation. Reason articles now *routinely* contradict themselves from one sentence to the next.

    It's like Reason was taking over by Salon, and they're working as hard as they can to discredit it with moronic articles.

  • GeneralWeygand||

    "It's like Reason was taking over by Salon, and they're working as hard as they can to discredit it with moronic articles."
    +1

  • David Nolan||

    So, there was no evidence. Except for the "incredibly restrictive" security measures that made "it impossible for the planned rally to proceed".

    You provide a partial quote .. then blame Robby for what you so shamelessly omitted.

    All to "justify" a nonsensical rant,

    Left and right have been obsolete for decades, rejected as they both became dominated by triba

  • David Nolan||

    ... dominated by tribal warriors like yourself,

  • hello.||

    Hi Mikey Hihn, you mentally ill retarded piece of shit.

  • David Nolan||

    Hello
    you mentally ill retarded piece of shit.

    That same thuggery is why you TOTALLY humiliated yourself here

    The Non-Aggression Principle was invented to describe thugs and bullies like you,
    Years later, I coined another phrase that you've also just proven:
    Left - Right = Zero

    Translation: your people, like antifa, both shout down all disagreement with your tribal mentality. Both of you are self-righteous militants ... True Beleebers ... a disgrace to the honest majority in each tribe.

  • John B. Egan||

    I'm curious how a self-proclaimed 'provocateur' like Milo who is not an American, and just floats around stirring up trouble, is allowed to stay here in the US. He serves no real purpose here. Any other country would boot him out on the next flight.

  • John C. Randolph||

    What, are you fucking stupid? He entered the country legally, he hasn't committed any crimes, and the fact that you don't like what he has to say isn't a reason to eject him. Now fuck off and find some jackboots to lick, you worthless piece of shit.

    -jcr

  • David Nolan||

    Typical Trumpster bully.

  • AngelaM||

    Yes police barricades and metal detectors are a real bother to people trying to attend an event. Try going to a lecture by Ms. Richardson, while wading through a group of sign waving idiots screaming about the sale of body parts, then having your bag, backpack etc searched before going through the metal detectors. Why is this more of horror when it occurs on a campus than in front of a theater? Is free speech dependent on location? I never thought so but perhaps I'm wrong? If the crazies weren't intent on using cars to mow down pedestrians and the gun nuts weren't so commited to every man, woman and child in America being able to buy and carry a gun; perhaps such extreme measures wouldn't be necessary. Notice in these reports the people seeking violence used shouts and fists- no guns anywhere. Perhpas Cal.'s strict gun control measures had some effect- not perfect but better than nothing.

  • ||

    So . . . they wouldn't have needed this security if we had better gun control laws, but no one there had any guns because CA has such awesome gun control laws?

    I'm not sure you thought that through totally before hitting "submit."

  • Texasmotiv||

    No thinking, silly. Emote! Emote! Don't you even politics, bro?

  • hello.||

    Why is this more of horror when it occurs on a campus than in front of a theater?

    Because theaters aren't state-funded and state-operated institutions with a constitutional obligation to respect freedom of speech you pig ignorant motherfucking cunt.

  • David Nolan||

    Hello
    you pig ignorant motherfucking cunt..

    That same thuggery is why you TOTALLY humiliated yourself here

    The Non-Aggression Principle was invented to describe thugs and bullies like you,
    Years later, I coined another phrase that you've also just proven:
    Left - Right = Zero

    Translation: your people, like antifa, both shout down all disagreement with your tribal mentality. Both of you are self-righteous militants ... True Beleebers ... a disgrace to the honest majority in each tribe.

  • 9thGateKeeper||

    THE IRONY:

    Antifa and BLM are allowed to obstruct conservative freedom of speech;

    But when Trump objects to leftist freedom of speech the media has a cow...

  • David Nolan||

    Antifa and BLM are allowed to obstruct conservative freedom of speech;

    Where?

    But when Trump objects to leftist freedom of speech the media has a cow.

    Only when he lies through his teeth on what happened at Charlottesville.

    And, only you Trumpsters equate protesting against someone's free speech. Or with a President who openly and repeatedly attacks free speech as a RIGHT.

  • hello.||

    It's not a lie if you're so fucked up and mentally ill that you believe it, right Hihny?

  • David Nolan||

    Only when he lies through his teeth on what happened at Charlottesville.

    t's not a lie if you're so fucked up and mentally ill that you believe it,

    Here's absolute, undeniable proof that you're just another brainwashed troll. It was your fellow alt-right thugs who charged with clubs,

    It's not a lie if you're so fucked up and mentally ill that you believe it,

    it was you ... not me .. who said that YOU are fucked up and mentally ill for believing Trump didn't lie ... language too extreme. for me.

    I'd just say you're another tribal loyalist eager to be brainwashed ... like the Berniebots on the left .. which confirms what I've been saying for nearly a half-century.
    Left -Right =Zero

  • Sanjuro Tsubaki||

    Reason, the Breitbart of libertarianism.

  • David Nolan||

    How would you know?

  • Hank Phillips||

    Robby is blooming as a neologist. "Illiberal" is the best descriptor yet for the econazis and "former" communists infesting college campuses.

  • twood||

    Is there a single entity not giving ground to the authoritarian left? This is incredible. Here's a libertarian site saying the people trying to speak are partially at fault. Get some fucking balls.

  • David Nolan||

    Get some fucking literacy.
    With a side order of honesty.

  • mtrueman||

    Hey! Free speech!

  • David Nolan||

    Hey! Free speech!

    Yep. Free speech defends even blatant lies and illiteracy,

  • hello.||

    Take your pills Hihn. Preferably all at once.

  • David Nolan||

    Take your pills Hihn. Preferably all at once.

    That same thuggery is why you TOTALLY humiliated yourself here

    The Non-Aggression Principle was invented to describe thugs and bullies like you,
    Years later, I coined another phrase that you've also just proven:
    Left - Right - Zero

    Translation: your people, like antifa, both shout down all disagreement with your tribal mentality.

  • Lester224||

    I have one of my engineering degrees from U.C. Berkeley. The Shapiro event went off with a police presence and a quiet respectful crowd. Milos says he will be back to speak again. I hate to see Berkeley tarnished by this. It's always been somewhat of a political hotbed but also an excellent school. Here's the link from the alumni network:

    https://tinyurl.com/y7a7okvc

  • Eric Schmidt||

    The University spent $600,000 so a handful of students could listen to Ben Shapiro. He, and the other folks who were supposed to speak at this poorly organized conclave all insist that the market should drive everything, so let ticket prices reflect cost. Berkley can provide a standard grant to student groups for speakers, who must pay for any excess. In the case of Shapiro, an audience of one thousand students would have then had to pay $600 for the incredible luxury of hearing him speak.

  • ThomasD||

    What an awesome idea.

    There is no possible way that mechanism could be abused by University administrators seeking to limit or prevent undesirable speech.

    Brilliant!

  • hello.||

    As soon as the university gives back all of the money it takes from taxpayers then it can set whatever policy it likes, just like any private university would. Until then it is constitutionally obligated to comply with the 1st Amendment. You don't get to pick and choose when you operate by market principles and when you are an organ of the state.

  • cbcatanz||

    "I followed demonstrators and counter-demonstrators as they marched. The left chanted "No Trump, No KKK, No Fascist USA," while the right chanted "Move, cucks, get out the way, get out the way cucks get out the way."

    Those are some horrible chants. No creativity.

  • mtrueman||

    Hey! Free speech!

  • hello.||

    Hey! Trutherism!

    Drown yourself in your drool cup you donkey fucker.

  • David Nolan||

    Hello
    Drown yourself in your drool cup you donkey fucker.

    That same thuggery is why you TOTALLY humiliated yourself here

    The Non-Aggression Principle was invented to describe thugs and bullies like you,
    Years later, I coined another phrase that you've also just proven:
    Left - Right - Zero

    Translation: your people, like antifa, both shout down all disagreement with your tribal mentality.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    The cuck theme is related to being gay in progressive philosophy. Progressives cannot just accept that gay people might be less fit (remember, fitness is related to how many grandchildren you produce) and say, "Who cares? There is more to life than evolutionary success." Such a statement is blasphemy against the foundation of Progressive thought. This is why they give talks like this, that say a gay man's purpose in life is to selflessly raise other people's kids.


    This happens to be the theme of the cuckold genre of porn. All the left-wingers I know are in favor of gay men being altruistic but offended by cuckold porn, because apparently, gay people aren't supposed to be happy with the role that Progressives demand they play.

  • Rockabilly||

    CRAZED marxist losers running wild with dreams of turning the USA into North Korea.

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