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Times Claim: Trump Asked Comey to Drop Flynn Investigation

The impeachment cries will grow louder. The White House denies allegations.

James ComeyFired FBI head James Comey may have notes showing that President Donald Trump asked him to drop an investigation of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

The New York Times is the source of this latest potential bombshell, but to be very clear, the newspaper doesn't have a copy of this memo. One of Comey's former associates apparently read the contents of the memo to a New York Times reporter. The White House denies the allegation. From the Times:

"I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go," Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey, according to the memo. "He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."

Mr. Trump told Mr. Comey that Mr. Flynn had done nothing wrong, according to the memo.

Mr. Comey did not say anything to Mr. Trump about curtailing the investigation, only replying: "I agree he is a good guy."

In a statement, the White House denied the version of events in the memo.

"While the president has repeatedly expressed his view that General Flynn is a decent man who served and protected our country, the president has never asked Mr. Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn," the statement said. "The president has the utmost respect for our law enforcement agencies, and all investigations. This is not a truthful or accurate portrayal of the conversation between the president and Mr. Comey."

This has the potential to be a smoking gun, but we don't know who is actually holding it yet. If the memo is real and is an accurate representation of the conversation between Comey and Trump then we will see calls to impeach grow even louder. There are already mutterings of "obstruction of justice" as a justification. Other media outlets are now verifying the contents of the memo, but an actual copy of it has not been released.

Those are a couple of big "ifs." And in the other direction, if the memo is faked and the Times fell for it, or if there's evidence that Comey misrepresented the conversation, then the metaphorical gun here is being held by one of the biggest media outlets that has been the target of much of the president's anger. If the Times gets this wrong (and the media outlets rushing to catch up with the story as well), a screw-up this huge is going to damage the media's reputation even further, likely for at least the remainder of Trump's administration.

Given that there are sources at the FBI who are very furious about Comey's abrupt firing, Times and other media outlets better have it together on this. If this remotely has the chance of actually taking Trump down, there's no getting around the role that the media is taking on by disclosing this information so early. Indeed, according to this memo, Trump told Comey to consider arresting and imprisoning reporters for publishing classified information.

So stay tuned. It is May sweeps, after all. Are we setting up for a crazy and unexpected series finale, or a hard-core battle fought out through the next year?

Read the Times reporting here.

Update: Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) tweets his concerns:


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  • Tak Kak||

    Sick of the never-ending "anonymous sources" but this seems like an actual scandal worth following.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Actual Scandal was my nickname in band camp.

  • Quixote||

    It's hardly scandalous to try and impede such an irrelevant investigation, when, as the administration understands, we need to be focusing all our resources on a covert inquiry into the circumstances that led to the outrageous "First Amendment dissent" of a single, isolated judge in our nation's leading criminal "satire" case. See the documentation at:

    http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

  • Chipper Mourning Somali Roadz||

    Warning: Never borrow Paul's flute.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Except there's no evidence other than hearsay from "anonymous sources".

    Other than the piss dossier, every other bit of "evidence" for this Russia crap, and now for the obstruction crap, could plausibly have been completely fabricated by the media.

  • Mark22||

    And even if it were all true, it's still unclear what laws were supposed to have been violated by Trump or his campaign.

    "Hey Putin, can your propaganda machine say some good things about me?" Legal.

    "Hey, Comey, I think Flynn is a nice guy, maybe you should drop the investigation." Legal.

    "Hey, Comey, you're a f*cking idiot because you keep harassing me and my underlings and I don't want your mug in my administration anymore." Legal.

  • BYODB||

    Curious that a current FBI director would have sat on a memo proving obstruction of justice on the part of the President of the United States for a couple of months without mentioning it in even one of his many testimony, meetings with Congress and the Senate, or even to the Justice Department itself.

    Is the implication here that Comey is so incompetent he doesn't recognize obstruction of justice when he see's it?

  • Robbzilla||

    Well he apparently is so incompetent that he can't recognize broken cybersecurity laws when he sees those.

  • SezWhom||

    What scandal? No smoking gun. Not even a comment from Comey himself. Not even the obligatory "Comey declined to comment. I assume he never declined to comment because he was never asked a question. Oops, now I see that there is a scandal. It's the New York Times.

  • Azathoth!!||

    An actual scandal?

    How?

    Flynn did nothing wrong. Trump did nothing wrong.

    there's nothing to investigate. Comey knows it. The media knows it. Trump knows it.

    The only people who think that there's something to investigate are drooling idiots who believe that they can somehow make the election not happened.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Are we setting up for a crazy and unexpected series finale, or a hard-core battle fought out through the next year?

    Yes!

  • Chipper Mourning Somali Roadz||

    This show better get renewed and with the same characters. If we learned anything from True Detective, it is that anthology shows suck.

  • Curt2004||

    It's a twist on the Apprentice where the boss is told 'You're Fired!'. I really hate reality shows...

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    The prog media hacks will do anything to get rid of Trump because they are afraid the swamp is about to be drained!

    Trump is a stupid, dumb monster from Stupiddumbmonstertown, and he needs to be stopped!

    Reason will print anything that gets them a table at the cocktail parties!

    Trying to polish up the resume for WaPo, huh Shackford!

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    I think you meant to say, "would."

  • Ron Bailey||

    GJ: Where and at what time are these damned cocktail parties, you keep talking about? I'm thirsty.

  • Juice||

    Ask Matt Welch.

  • The Divine Reactionoid||

    Did anyone ask you?

    Curious where you find these serious memes?
    Oh wait... I'm totally not.

    Do not reply, or else you're a Republican.

    God damn, I rule at this.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Ron, Welch admitted to attending a D.C. cocktail party* on a recent podcast, so the cat's out of the cocktail party bag.

    WE WE'RE RIGHT!

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Oh no.

    WE WERE RIGHT.

    Much better.

  • some guy||

    WE, WE'RE RIGHT!

    Commas can fix anything.

  • Greg F||

    Where and at what time are these damned cocktail parties, you keep talking about?

    Oh Ron ... they didn't tell you about them? ... I feel real bad for ya ...

  • ThomasD||

    Bailey, you know you are forever tainted.

  • SIV||

    Didn't you get an invite to Cato's birthday bash?

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Fired FBI head James Comey may have notes showing that President Donald Trump asked him to drop an investigation of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn."

    Well, if Comey said it and the New York Times" wrote it, then it must be true.

  • Philadelphia Collins||

    Neither is Pravda.

  • Macaulay McToken||

    Unless it's a digital clock, then it just displays 88:88 and is never right :)

  • Ken Shultz||

    If you're a progressive, then a broken digital clock that says 88:88 all the time is always right.

    It's just that you have to be one of the elite to understand what it's really saying.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    Other media outlets are now verifying the contents of the memo, but an actual copy of it has not been released.

    Are these fuckers' email accounts all broken? How hard is it to demand a .pdf copy of the memo or notes from the person reading off this information and just publish it on the news site, rather than just taking their word for it?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Don't get confused about what's relevant.

    The important point is that Trump needs to be removed from office.

    The contents of the memo are irrelevant.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Funny tidbit that escapes the media. On April 17, 2012, President Barack Obama nominated Flynn to be the 18th director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

    If Flynn is a treasonous P.O.S., why didn't anyone call for Obama to resign office? The Director of the DIA handles all sorts of super classified info.

    Oh yeah, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    Let's take this at face value - Trump said, "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go".

    I don't see this as an order, a threat or a demand. Nor do I know of any evidence Trump attempted to force the issue. Even if the report of the facts is accurate,

    I don't see where anything improper occurred here. If fact, the tone of the statement indicates Trump acknowledged that Comey had discretion over disposal of the issue. What, specifically, is being charged here?

  • Calidissident||

    The fact that Trump fired Comey soon after doesn't reflect well on the argument that there wasn't an implied threat here. Again, that's assuming the memo is real, the media's description of it is accurate, and Comey's account of the conversation is accurate. So take that with a grain of salt for now.

  • Bubba Jones||

    Yeah. If Trump made a vague suggestion and then fired him...

  • KBeckman||

    Also admitting to firing him over the Russia thing...

  • SezWhom||

    You left out the part in the middle. The beginning is Trump made a vague suggestion. The end is Trump fired Comey. The middle that everyone is forgetting about is, was Comey continuing to investigate Flynn? Were there protocols, and was he following them? I know, these are just minor details that get in the way of the media witch hunt of Trump.

  • damikesc||

    Soon after is several months later. Flynn wasn't let go last week.

  • Nyarlarrythotep||

    Such a request by the President would be an attempt to influence an ongoing investigation. Imagine that someone shot a town resident, and the cops are investigating suspects including the mayor's daughter. The mayor pops by the police station and asks the chief if he wouldn't mind removing his daughter from the list of suspects. Does it sound illegal? Does it sound analogous?

    Or just imagine it wasn't a Trump; it was Obama. What do you think now?

  • CZmacure||

    Imagine that someone shot a town resident, and the cops are investigating suspects including the mayor's daughter. The mayor pops by the police station and asks the chief if he wouldn't mind removing his daughter from the list of suspects.


    Or, imagine that a current presidential candidate is being investigated, and her husband, who happens to be former president, meets with the attorney general in private.

    WE CAN COME UP WITH ALL SORTS OF CRAZY SCENARIOS!

  • ThomasD||

    All that is missing is a smidgin of evidence.

  • Mark22||

    Such a request by the President would be an attempt to influence an ongoing investigation.

    Which, as the head of the executive branch, the president can legitimately do.

  • ||

    surely the Wile E. Coyote media has got him this time.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The media has a new news outlet titled ACME news.

  • DOOMco||

    is asking for actual sources bad?

  • DOOMco||

    define some.

  • DOOMco||

    so, everyone?

  • DOOMco||

    no, you never defined anyone out of that group.

  • Kandralla||

    Anonymous source say that reason user DanO murders puppies. The source must be protected from DanO' s murderous ways.

    See how that works. Everything is true if we must protect the source.

  • DOOMco||

    Who can't be protected?

  • Kandralla||

    Hey, I'm not the one runing around telling everyone that they're drinking the Kool-Aid if they don't blindly accept anonymous statements published by news organizations completely ignorant of the tasty irony like Rai-ai-ain on your wedding day.

  • chemjeff||

    Who is asking you to blindly accept anything?

    Only that the knee-jerk response to a story critical of Trump, isn't FAKE NEWS or LYIN' MEDIA.

  • RG||

    It is not a knee jerk reaction to actually ask for evidence to back up an accusation, you fucking half wit.

  • chemjeff||

    No, it isn't.

    But the responses of some commenters, who instantly denounce it all as LYIN' MEDIA and FAKE NEWS, are doing the knee-jerk thing.

    Chip Your Pets above thinks that the sources are imaginary and the entire story is a purposeful fabrication. That is a kneejerk response.

  • Kandralla||

    The media always lies, their whole business model has been "Keep em scared shitless so they'll stay through the commercials, we've got 15 minutes of news and 24 hours to fill." since CNN has existed.

    Right now people who are saying "show us proof" are being lumped in as Trumpites simply because we're not getting thw torches ready. Sorry but no one... absolutely no one... who is involved in this right now is trustworthy; they all have an agenda and it isn't "the betterment of mankind" so unless these "sources" are willing to stand behind their statements they're about as trustworthy as any random thing you find on the internet.

    I don't support Trump, but I'm not going to throw my hat in with "anonymous sources" at the moment. The only individual that benefits from that and the chaos it creates is Trump. I wish the chicken littles running around would stop for a moment and really think about how their lack of integrity and low standards and building a platform for Trump to use if he ACTUALLY does something worthy of pitchforks and torches.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Well put.

    It's not too far out there to posit that were it not for the media's shitty reputation, Trump would never have been elected in the first place.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Anonymous source say that reason user DanO murders puppies.

    Wrong. Reason user DanO diddles puppies - that's a fact.

  • Kandralla||

    Well I was trying to be civil... but yes, that was my original thought.

  • DOOMco||

    define some.

  • damikesc||

    Are ANY sources not "protected" and "confidential"?

    The lack of any names attached to any claims is noted.

  • Jerryskids||

    And now you see why Trump laid the groundwork with that tweet about how Comey better hope there's no tapes before he starts leaking to the press. Trump and Comey both know damn well what was said, Trump's the one who knows it's just his word against Comey's.

  • The Divine Reactionoid||

    That would be President Cheeto.
    His hair is orange, but he doesn't have a military tank.
    You're weird.

    These are not rhetorical questions.
    Note my punctuation and awesome.
    Kneel.

  • Tak Kak||

    Trump may not remember. Sounds like the kind of off the cuff remarks he'd make, he's also old.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    Hey dummy, if this had happened, Comey would have had the obligation to report it. He had numerous chances to do so before Trump canned him, so why didn't he?

  • ChipToBeSquare||

    I could believe it's because he's a spineless wuss who knew he might be fired at any time

  • Kandralla||

    If he didn't it's more likely becaise he was trying ro manage the narrative like he's producing a law and order episode. The guy is probably a good guy in real life but he thinks his job is to shape people's opinions and not just fucking say what the FBI know's and what they don't know.

    He's grossly incompetent at his former job.

  • Kandralla||

    Damn my phone.

  • Red Rocks Baiting n Inciting||

    I could believe it's because he's a spineless wuss who knew he might be fired at any time

    We're talking about a guy with such a compulsive need to provide updates on investigations that he made a public announcement just a week before the election that they were looking into Hillary's emails again via communications with Huma and Anthony Weiner.

    But when the President supposedly commits obstruction of justice by saying, "I hope you can let this go," Comey or his underlings don't immediately run to Congress or the press with this information? Especially considering the Flynn thing happened weeks ago? If that's the case, it's not hard to see why the surveillance state is so dysfunctional.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Then the NYT will say he should be impeached for unlawful recording of a conversation.

  • Calidissident||

    DC is a one party consent jurisdiction, so Trump recording a conversation between him and Comey would be legal even if Comey was unaware.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Except as a government official, Trump has a higher bar due to the 4th amendment. Emanation of a penumbra with intermediate scrutiny blah blah

    This is the NYT we're talking about, facts don't matter.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Comey was an employee of Trump, so no expectation of privacy at work.

  • Mark22||

    Which part of "facts don't matter" did you have problems with? ☺

  • ThomasD||

    Beyond that there is also the aspect that it was on the job, at the workplace, and also communication between two members of the executive branch. Communication that the chief executive could make public at any time.

  • GILMORE™||

    If the memo is real and is an accurate representation of the conversation between Comey and Trump then we will see calls to impeach grow even louder

    I'm pretty sure none of the bolded will need to be true, and calls for impeachment will grow louder nevertheless.

    If the Times gets this wrong (and the media outlets rushing to catch up with the story as well), a screw-up this huge is going to damage the media's reputation

    The Media's Current Reputation

    Don't worry, the Gell Mann Effect ensures that they can endlessly screw the pooch and still pretend they are defenders of truth and justice and the Public Interest.

  • DOOMco||

    huh.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Right. No matter how often they get caught disseminating lies, we should still trust them. Anything else would be cynical.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    This statement applies to Trump, his people, and some (most?) of the media, so why would you immediately believe any of them?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Is he?

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    Is he what?

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    "immediately believ[ing] any of them?"

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    He said he is skeptical of them.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    So why did you ask the question? Or was is rhetorical?

  • Chip Your Pets||

    I'm skeptical of all of them, but at least Trump and his people are willing to go on record with their real names.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Speaking of which, what is the justification for anonymity of the sources at this point? If the source identified himself or herself and was fired in retribution, they would be the toast of the talk show circuit like the rest of the Obama holdovers who got canned.

  • chemjeff||

    ... and get fired, and get death threats and live in fear of right-wing trolls who will instantly dox them and make their entire private lives public on the internet.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Leftist trolls are far more likely to do that, actually. In any case, fear of "doxxing" is kind of weird for someone who is already using their real name and for whom being fired would be the best thing that ever happened to their career.

  • chemjeff||

    I'm not going to comment on who is more likely to dox people. Just that the tangible possibility of that occurring is there, and that some people don't want to have their entire private lives put forth on the Internet by trolls. Furthermore, some people - I would gather most people - really don't want to be martyrs to some cause. They don't want to go through the hardship and circus of that entire experience. Finally, sources can be private or anonymous for whatever reason they wish.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Finally, sources can be private or anonymous for whatever reason they wish.

    Absolutely. I'm not suggesting that we send men with guns to drag them to jail for being anonymous. But it lessens their credibility.

    A report from an anonymous source is only as credible as the outlet reporting it. When that's a proven-dishonest outlet like the NYT or the WaPo, credibility is essentially zero.

  • wareagle||

    I'm not going to comment on who is more likely to dox people.

    let's ask Seth Rich.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Chemjeff troll:
    I know having to answer publicly for lies. It is an insane World we live in.

  • ThomasD||

    Worse, get treated like Joe the Plumber

    Or have the IRS crawl up your innards.

    Oh, wait...

  • damikesc||

    It seems to be the Dems who have a problem with making death threats to politicians.

  • MikeP2||

    "what is the justification for anonymity of the sources at this point?

    well, anonymous sources allow the media to publish accusations of wrong doing without a clear papertrail of the exact wording of the evidence. A few words twisted by an "anonymous source" to apply spin to a memo allows them to create a sensationalized story out of nothing.

    I think Rathergate was the impetus of this route of media sensationalism. CBS learned the hard way, that showing your cards allows everyone to find the flaws and turn a story into a laughingstock. "anonymous sources" and unpublished evidence allows them to claim almost anything without serious threat of losing credibility.

  • damikesc||

    Trump isn't making the accusation here.

    If he said "Comey fondled my balls". I'd demand some proof there, either.

  • GILMORE™||

    If the memo is real and is an accurate representation of the conversation between Comey and Trump then we will see calls to impeach grow even louder

    I'm pretty sure none of the bolded will need to be true, and calls for impeachment will grow louder nevertheless. Because those calls will go nowhere as long as the GOP controls congress. But at least that gives Democrats something to talk about while they flail in the background, right?

    If the Times gets this wrong (and the media outlets rushing to catch up with the story as well), a screw-up this huge is going to damage the media's reputation

    The Media's Current Reputation

    Don't worry, the Gell Mann Effect ensures that they can endlessly screw the pooch and still pretend they are defenders of truth and justice and the Public Interest.

  • GILMORE™||

    squirrels!

  • Chip Your Pets||

    And you have squishheads like Amash responding to evidence-free accusations by demanding an investigation.

  • SIV||

    Squish? Amash is an "intelligence community tool.

  • GILMORE™||

    I presume his constituents like his 'rogue' posturing, where he gets to demand things he knows he's never going to get.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Well we have historical precedent for the GOP bucking their own team president, so I wouldn't rule out impeachment and conviction. Now if he had a (D) after his name, then I can guarantee no conviction if not no impeachment. Ends. Means. Justified.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Andrew Johnson was a Dem, actually, despite being Lincoln's VP.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    I'm referring to Nixon, obviously. It didn't get to impeachment but that was just because they gave him the option of resigning.

  • GILMORE™||

    I wouldn't rule out impeachment and conviction.

    You're retarded if you think a GOP-controlled congress is going to impeach trump over the grab-bag of anonymously-sourced/zero-evidence bullshit that currently has the DemOp Media in a froth.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    If there are memos (or even recordings!) and they have any credibility at all backed by Comey testimony, it's stupid to think that ~20 members of the house and ~20 members of the Senate couldn't flip to impeachment. And it's not like the establishment reds wouldn't love to drop him in a new york minute. Just because team blue has been all ends-justify-the-means/never-apologize for decades doesn't mean that all of team red is there yet (although they're justifiably getting there).

  • GILMORE™||

    If there are memos (or even recordings!) and they have any credibility at all backed by Comey testimony, it's stupid to think that ~20 members of the house and ~20 members of the Senate couldn't flip to impeachment

    No. Because if anyone, including the president, approached Comey in a way that he believed was an attempt to obstruct justice, it was his duty as an officer of the law to IMMEDIATELY report this and file the details of the accusation. Failure to immediately report it is actually a crime
    (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361)


    Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    The meeting w/ trump which produced the claimed 'memo' happened 3 months ago. If it were true, he's guilty of a crime. Of course the NYT wont explain that, because they rely on an ignorant public for their narrative plausibility.

    the entire claim is horseshit. As is every other claimed scandal which the press has thrown like spaghetti against wall. No, a GOP congress isn't going to impeach because the press has an idiot public in a froth over nothing.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    The Dems don't want impeachment, just like the GOP didn't want to repeal Obamacare. They want to force the other party to defend something that their base loves but is unpopular with the rest of the country.

  • GILMORE™||

    exactly.

    its all noise. Democrats have seen their party-power getting slaughtered all over the place, and are basically falling back on a "chicken-little"-policy, where they cry foul at everything and scream about Russians and Racists and Nixon and Hitler in order to keep the media focus on the GOP, and not their own fecklessness.

    like most people who are hysterically pointing fingers at things, they end up saying more about themselves than their targets.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Fired FBI head James Comey may have notes showing that President Donald Trump asked him to drop an investigation of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

    1. Comey may also have notes proving the existence of life on Venus and detailing cures for cancer, diabetes, and hangovers. There is as much evidence for those notes as there is about the one you mentioned.

    2. Even if the text that the NYT passes on is really what Trump said, it's hard to see how it rises to the level of obstruction. We all know how clumsy Trump is with words, and as we may remember from last summer, the FBI doesn't make decisions about filing charges anyway. If Trump saying Flynn is a good guy constitutes obstruction, what about Obama endorsing and campaigning for Hillary last year while she was under FBI investigation?

  • Chip Your Pets||

    So you're admitting that BO committed OJ?

  • pan fried wylie||

    BO OJ on the DL, NTTATWWT, FYTW.

  • Crusty Juggler aka "Chad"||

    OJ WAS FRAMED!

  • Kandralla||

    Asking isn't illegal, nor is during a guy whose employment is at your will.

    Either way my suspicion is Trump absolutely loves this... he's playing dipshits like you like a fiddle and you're so bat shit enraged by his existence you spend all your energy demanding he be impeached for imaginary crimes... that way when he does do something impeachable no one in the general public will believe anything anyone says against him because they're too busy working and raising their kids to sit and listen to someone give yet another reason why they think Trump needs impeached. Meanwhile I'll just laugh and laugh as the world goes up in flames because you made it all possible... you're like Trumps social media team.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    He may love it but that would just prove that he's an idiot.

  • Kandralla||

    Why would he be an idiot for letting people waste their energy and political capital on something he knows he can defend against? If I were him and looked at the landscape and knew I could beat the charge Scott free I'd do everything I could to look guilty as hell to keep you guys running around screaming that the sky is falling. You'll look like idiots when the truth comes out and I'll have a whole lot more leeway to do what I wanted since anyone criticizing me could be lumped in with the discredited zealots.

    You guys really need to up your game here. Start thinking as opposed to reacting.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    "You guys?"

    Trump's history shows that he's not very bright, his favorite flavor of mouthwash is shoe leather, and he doesn't talk very goodly either. The only things he's got going for him are instinctive cunning and the fact that the Left has done such a great job Alinskying the country that he's got more or less a 40% floor of support.

    You're being awfully presumptuous that this is something that he can just tweet his way out of. This is a lot like his feuding with Colbert et al. It isn't helping his cause.

  • Kandralla||

    Presumptuous or "Been there done that"...

    Here's the thing, if he's dumb he'll have plenty of opportunities to screw up... if he's just playing dumb to elicit a response you're playing his game by his rules and you won't likely realize it until it's too late. Rational, logic based assessments and skepticism of unsupported information is the only weapon that works either way... screaming "Impeach Nazi Trump Now !!!!!11111" every ten days only helps him to paint any opposition as raving, partasin loons.

  • Mark22||

    Trump's history shows that he's not very bright, his favorite flavor of mouthwash is shoe leather, and he doesn't talk very goodly either.

    So you mean he can't defraud and bamboozle the American people like the Clintons or Obama? I think that's a big plus, actually.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Except it working so the cry wolf-ers are the idiots.

    Trump is literally draining the swamp and rolling back government while the left is screaming in tantrum form.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    He's issued a few EO's to overturn other EO's. He's demonstrated a marginal ability to put in place his team. He has no legislative victories yet (CRA is all due to congress) and he can't keep a coherent story straight with his WH team. The only thing you can credit him with is generally picking a decent cabinet and judicial nominees. At the rate he's draining the swamp the sun will be in its red giant phase before we are halfway there.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Draining the swamp is hyperbole and has never been defined.

    A gallon of swamp water at a time is good enough for me to say he's draining the swamp.

    Comey was a gallon. Hillary losing was millions and millions of gallons of swamp water drained. and the list goes on.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Hillary losing was not adding millions of gallons. It did nothing about the existing Okefenokee. A better analogy would be that he's just flailing around in the swamp now and the occasional drop flies out as a result. AHCA is an extremely modest improvement over Barrycare if it even gets through the senate, and we've got nothing on tax reform

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Except it working so the cry wolf-ers are the idiots.

    Trump is literally draining the swamp and rolling back government while the left is screaming in tantrum form.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Double whammy!

  • Mauser||

    Grab the popcorn. I'm loving this shitshow.

  • Chipper Mourning Somali Roadz||

    Amen. Anyone that has a reaction other than amusement - I pity that fool.

  • DOOMco||

    The Dead sea is the second saltiest thing on earth, following DanO.

  • pan fried wylie||

    What are salt lakes, chopped liver?

  • The Divine Reactionoid||

    Funny. Not your joke, but don't recall you being given permission to use contractions.

    Repent.

  • Chipper Mourning Somali Roadz||

    A gentleman does not kiss and tell, DOOMco.

  • DOOMco||

    dang.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    FDR internet Americans.

    Totally fake news!

    Democratic Party is the party of the KKK and slavery.

    totally fake news.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    FDR interned Americans that is.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Times Claim: Trump Asked Comey to Drop Flynn Investigation"

    I mean, seriously, who in Washington has more credibility than Comey?

    LOL

    The New York Times is quoting a CYA memo by Comey they've never seen--and the calls for impeachment are growing louder?

    How many times have the press had this shit blow up in their faces?

    Remember when Trump was insane for suggesting that the Obama administration was spying on his campaign? Somehow, that morphed into them saying that Obama's investigation of the Trump campaign proves that he's a traitor.

    They didn't go after Reagan this hard. They press corps. has really worked themselves into a frenzy, and every time it blows up in their faces, again, the news media just gets crazier.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    And it's not even Comey -- it's an anonymous alleged FBI staffer allegedly reading from an alleged memo allegedly written by Comey.

  • x'); DROP USER Tony;||

    Do you disagree with his description of the situation? Because it is absolutely, factually correct.

    You can't seriously entertain the idea that you have any factual argument with it, can you?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Shrike doesn't give a shit about the facts or whether what he writes has anything to do with reality.

    He's just a troll.

  • Bearded Spock||

    This is the real eye-opening part of this "scandal": Reason apparently would rather believe anonymous, third-hand sources from an openly anti-Trump news outlet, than Trump himself.

    Skeptical Hard-Eyed Randian Objectivists, yet eager to believe any gossip that the NYT feels is fit to print. Amazing.

    Why do I get the feeling Reason has ditched all pretense of even-handedness, and jumped in bed with the Democrats?

  • wareagle||

    are you just now getting that feeling? If that's what the Reason crowd wants to do, then okay, but at least be honest about it. This sort of thing went on all during the campaign. There was even a libertarian case for Bernie article. Bernie.

  • Calidissident||

    Why the hell do so many of you insist of reading articles in an incredibly disingenuous fashion? Shackford spends multiple columns laying out uncertainty and reasons for skepticism of the story, potential backlash against the media if they get it wrong, etc. and yet somehow what you got out of this is that he uncritically accepted the allegations as true?

    "Reason apparently would rather believe anonymous, third-hand sources from an openly anti-Trump news outlet, than Trump himself."

    Setting aside the fact that they didn't uncritically accept the story, are you saying it would be so much better if they reflexively believed Trump? The man doesn't have much credibility himself. Also, what Reason writer claimed to be a Randian Objectivist?

  • Calidissident||

    *That should say paragraphs not columns.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    To even talk about this story is giving it more credibility than it deserves. There is literally zero evidence for the claims.

    It's like publishing 9/11 troofer theories -- even if you pepper it with a bunch of "to be sure, this might not be true" you're still giving it too much credence.

  • The Divine Reactionoid||

    But sexless prog cows gotta role play that boring nighttime soap opera about Russian spies living in America.

    It's totally where the got the dumb idea to suddenly worry about those pinkos, while forgetting they is one.

  • Kandralla||

    Again, nothing he said was illegal. Nor was firing an employee.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Is that the left's narrative now? Trump was/is intimidating the former FBI Director.

    Doesn't say much of a person who was the FBI Director to be intimidated by a raving nutjob cheeto.

    Another reason nobody believes the media or bottom feeders like you. To believe you types, Trump is a retard. Yet he also intimidates the great Comey who can do now wrong. Trump also managed to single-handedly conspired to steal the election from Hillary.

    I didn't know retards were so smart.

  • wareagle||

    they're rehashing the Bush playbook; you know, the man who was the dumbest human being ever yet an evil genius able to get over on Dems almost daily.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The bright side is that in 2020 Trump will win the election by an even bigger margin.

    The media and the left are just making it worse for themselves.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Is perjury illegal? I think perjury is illegal... And as to impacting an investigation, would the president stating publicly that there was "not even a smidgen of corruption" have any impact on an investigation into the IRS or the determination to exercise "prosecutorial discretion" on the principals in that case? Nah...

    Now what were you saying about ethics?

  • Mark22||

    Intimidation of a witness is illegal. Trump has already done that with his thuggish Tweet.

    True. That applies to ongoing court cases. Which ongoing court case?

    Obstruction of justice is also illegal.

    True. That applies to ongoing court cases. Which ongoing court case?

    There's also that little thing called "ethics" with which Hit & Run's "libertarians" seem to be wholly unfamiliar.

    Must be the eight years of Obama and Clinton that caused us to forget.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    As the New York Times notes, these memos "are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations."

    Anonymous sources reading over the phone what they allege is in the memos, not so much.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    I bet Comey will testify at Hillary's trial first.

    Prosecutor: Did the FBI find probable cause of mishandling classified information by Hillary Clinton?
    Comey: Yes.
    Prosecutor: The government rests, your honor.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    An anonymous source claiming to read over the phone text from a memo claimed to have been written by Comey, you mean.

  • creech||

    Why? If I make a note that my boss agreed to give me a 20% raise during my annual performance review, I can make it stand up in court? Surely the rules of evidence go beyond some jotting that one party to a conversation made, supposedly, at the time of the conversation?

  • Chip Your Pets||

    Reason is taking a brief holiday from its criticism of the justice system for accepting cops' word as the unvarnished truth.

  • josh||

    The Reason comments section has gone soft. You used to be cool.

  • Jerryskids||

    I've mentioned this here before, I've got a nephew who's a pathological liar and an alcoholic. He used to live with me, he had a pretty good factory job. One day I come home and he's sitting there reading the want ads in the paper, says he may need to be looking for a new job because work is slow and there's talk of layoffs. Mentions it again several times over the next week or so, things are bad down at the plant. A couple weeks later I come home and he tells me he's been laid off, there's just no work going on.

    A couple weeks later I run into a guy I know who works at the factory, ask him how it's going, he says it's rough, all the mandatory overtime at the factory, all the work they're having to get done, more work than they can handle. I say, but my nephew said....and the guy laughs and says oh, your nephew? No, see, he showed up drunk at work and the boss sent him home and told him if he shows up drunk again he's fired, and a couple weeks later your nephew showed up drunk again and got fired.

    That's Trump. Master bullshit artist that knows what bullshit he's slinging and what bullshit he's going to be slinging next and he's already looking two steps ahead in the bullshit-slinging game.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Yup that anecdote is exactly what Trump is. /s

    Trump lies and yet is elected. Trump is a retard and yet actually starts to accomplish his campaign promises. Trump is______ and yet will go down as a decent president.

    Every lefty goes ape-shit.

  • Mark22||

    Geez, up to the very end, I thought you were talking about Clinton. Or Comey.

  • esteve7||

    LOL, leftiest just can't let the election go. They are still in denial that Hillary lost because she was one of our most corrupt unlikable candidates ever.

    Manufactured scandal after manufactured scandal. The Russians hacked the election, no Comey stole the election, no Comey was standing up against Trump, no....

    Jesus fucking Christ, get a hold of yourselves.

  • The Divine Reactionoid||

    Little excited on the 'submit' button there?

    Hmm...
    If DEVO was right, but it took almost half a century to prove,
    I say 1/2 credit.

    And damn you're old. Never thought Nixon anything, cause I'm way fresher.
    Will there be any contemporary references?

  • Bearded Spock||

    Well, at least Shackford admits this might be BS, as opposed to Soave, who jumped in with both feet.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "The allegations reportedly contained in the memo are incredibly serious. Mr. Comey also needs to testify in open session ASAP."

    ---Justin Amash

    The Democrats may not want that.

    They get Comey in open session, and it's going to be open season on every topic--including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

    We'll be talking about why Comey didn't file charges against Hillary, how the FBI director ever came to have the responsibility to make such determinations, whether Loretta Lynch told Comey to close the investigation into Clinton's email server, whether his closing that case had anything to do with Obama having sent classified emails to Hillary's email server under a pseudonym, what really happened to the missing emails, were any of them to, from, or about Clinton Foundation donors, . . .

    Oh, Mr. Comey, why did the judge originally reject the FBI's warrant request to wiretap the Trump campaign?

    . . . all of these questions and more will be asked of Comey should he testify in an open Congressional hearing.

    Liz Warren isn't so dumb to think she can score points with former Hillary donors by bringing the guy responsible for letting them off the hook into Congress to testify on camera in front of a national audience. I'd love to hear what Comey has to say about Hillary's email server, why he didn't recommend charges, and what he learned about the Clinton Foundation.

    Maybe Amash is right. Maybe there should be a hearing.

  • Ecoli||

    New York Times. Did they run this story by Hillary first to see if they could publish it?

    NYT = no credibility.

    Fake news.

    Sad.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Comey doesn't have any credibility either.

    An anonymous source quoting Comey to the New York Times has a credibility factor of 1*10^-3.

    If they want to impeach the president over this, they better have more than that.

  • wareagle||

    and this is on the heels of the anonymous sources so put out about Trump's alleged sharing of intel with the Russians that their first move was to contact WaPo and tell them what happened.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Even more ridiculous is that ISIS would not have found out about the intel but for the media spilling the beans.

  • damikesc||

    Or that people in the room, who are willing to go on record, are assumed to be lying as opposed to the "sources" of a meeting that involved about 4 people.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The left has no majority in congress to impeach a ham sandwich or anyone.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    They don't want to impeach Trump. They want to force the GOP Congress to protect him.

  • Tony||

    You really think you're going to serve yourself well by staying on this train? You really think Trump is going to go the distance?

    That's some retarded-ass brain fuckery that gets you to believe it's all just a librul conspiracy when Trump goes on TV and implicates himself.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    He's going the distance; he's going full speed. Hil's all alone, all alone in her time of need. Because he's racing, and pacing, and plotting a course; he's fighting and biting and riding on his horse. He's going the distance, yeah.

  • Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon||

    +1 slice of cake

  • Mark22||

    when Trump goes on TV and implicates himself

    Implicates himself in what exactly?

    You really think you're going to serve yourself well by staying on this train?

    Sunshine, get used to the fact that Trump is hanging around another 8 years, on or off the train.

    Actually, I thought I wasn't going to like him, but he's growing on me. And I thank my lucky stars every day that we didn't get Hillary.

  • Blue Star||

    Fake news?

    What happens when Drumpf confirms it?

  • The Divine Reactionoid||

    I admit I had nothing good to respond with here.

    However I shall take a brief, modest victory lap to note on this article, how awesomely I fucked you on every other un-replied comment.

    If there was Nobel prize for comedy, they'd rename after me, then suck it.

  • Chip Your Pets||

    On to more pressing matters.

    "They grow up so fast", Olympic gymnast edition

    Probably NSFW, but not as much as that Mary Lou Retton sex tape.

  • damikesc||

    If the Times gets this wrong (and the media outlets rushing to catch up with the story as well), a screw-up this huge is going to damage the media's reputation even further, likely for at least the remainder of Trump's administration.

    Hasn't bothered you SO far. I doubt that will change.

  • damikesc||

    Other media outlets are now verifying the contents of the memo, but an actual copy of it has not been released.

  • damikesc||

    It's impressive to see the NYT decide that Alex Jones only issue was that he wasn't doggedly determined enough to "get" Obama to be willing to be wrong so frequently.

    All of the jokes about crackpot right-wing conspiracies they laughed about? That is their ENTIRE operation now.

  • SezWhom||

    So, I guy said something to somebody else. It is completely unverifiable. But when the WH says it never happened, the NYT and Reason believe their own unverified info and suggest that the WH denial is not to be believed.

    Here's all that the NYT and Reason to get me to stop laughing uncontrollably: State as a FACT that those notes exist and are accurate, and that they say what NYT says they say. In other words, put up or shut up.

  • KerryW||

    Considering Comey gave false testimony in front of Congress that the FBI had to correct, he's not exactly a credible witness. And this is a couple of steps removed from even him.

  • Robbzilla||

    "Fired FBI head James Comey may have notes showing that President Donald Trump asked him to drop an investigation of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn."

    He may also have the cure for cancer, Jimmy Hoffa's body, and an unreleased Beatles album.

  • Brendan||

    So this is about as credible as FBI agent 302s?

  • Mark22||

    Times Claim: Trump Asked Comey to Drop Flynn Investigation.

    I'm still waiting for an explanation of why this, or the firing of Comey, are legal problems. What laws exactly was this supposed to have violated?

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