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Trump Didn't Win Because He's Trump. He Won Because Clinton Is Clinton

While many will call this a mandate for Donald Trump, it's better read as an anti-mandate for Hillary Clinton.

Jens Kalaene/dpa/picture-alliance/NewscomJens Kalaene/dpa/picture-alliance/NewscomThe bottom line of the 2016 presidential election is that black, Hispanic, and millennial voters just didn't vote for Clinton, or vote at all, in the numbers that were expected nor the number she needed to counter the older, whiter fan-club of Donald Trump.

Exit-poll data is far from precise, but it does at least give us an informed idea of why things went the way they did. And all signs indicate that it wasn't some radical realignment of voting blocs nor new and unique conditions that drove Donald Trump to victory. Like so many GOP leaders before him, Trump's support was derived largely from older, white, and middle- to upper-class voters, with young people, non-whites, and working-class voters overwhelmingly choosing Clinton. But Clinton couldn't get as much support from these groups as she needed to counter the predictable wave of older, white voters for Trump.

Across every key Democratic demographic, Clinton's numbers were down compared to Barack Obama's in 2012. According to CNN exit polls, 88 percent of black voters chose Clinton this year, while 93 percent of black voters went with Obama in 2012. Black voters also made up less of the total electorate this year—12 percent, down from 13 percent.

Latinos, too, showed less enthusiasm for Clinton this year than they did for Obama, who won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2012, compared to 65 percent this year for Clinton. And Asians were also less Democrat-positive in 2016, with 65 percent choosing Clinton this year, compared to 73 percent for Obama four years ago.

Among millennials, there wasn't any more love for Trump than there had been for Mitt Romney. But young voters did show less love to Clinton than they did when it came to Obama. CNN's polls showed Trump and Romney captured the same percentage of 18- to 29-year-old voters—37 percent—but Obama won 60 percent of this age group in 2012 while Clinton got just 55 percent this year.

And while 52 percent of Americans who earn less than $50,000 per year voted for Clinton (compared to just 41 percent for Trump), Obama fared better among low-income voters in 2012.

Meanwhile, slightly higher percentages of some key Democratic demographics went for Trump than did for Romney in the last go-round. While Romney got 27 percent of Latino voters, Trump got 29 percent. While Romney got 7 percent of black voters, Trump got 8 percent.

Trump also pulled from working-class, non-coastal, and non-urban white voters who had been Obama supporters. Anecdotally, some of these voters are drawn to Trump's anti-politically correct attitude, while some are drawn to his anti-free trade, anti-globalist rhetoric, and others just like that he's not a woman and/or makes bigotry cool again. But considering this group was largely age 45 and up, and did vote Obama in 2012, the explanation is certainly more complicated than that they're simply all racists, or rebelling against being called racists by college kids and Twitter feminists, even if white identity-politics and culturally reactionary signalling shouldn't be discounted entirely among narratives of economic concerns and more non-specific political hopelessness.

While women were supposed to be especially appalled by Trump, and aligned with Clinton in sisterhood, she pulled slightly less of the female electorate than did Obama in 2012: 54 percent versus 55 percent. Forty-two percent of women in 2016 backed Trump according to exit-poll data, while Romney got 44 percent of women voters.

By all early indications, Trump won by winning exactly the Republican status quo; Clinton lost by failing to capture enough of either her party's traditional base or the coalition of young and non-white voters that proppelled Obama to power. While many will call this a mandate for Trump, it's probably better read as an anti-mandate for Clinton. For all the irregularities of Trump's campaign and character, he hasn't forged radically different demographic ground here than did Romney or other Republicans (something that, alas, doesn't bode well for GOP reflection and reform). And for all Clinton's potential power as the first female candidate, she could have won by simply hanging on to Obama's status quo.

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  • Wizard with a Woodchipper||

    little bit of column A, little bit of column B....

  • AlmightyJB||

    Carpe Cunnus!

  • kinnath||

    Clinton lost because Clinton could not win. I said this a year ago.

    Obama beat Romney by a comfortable margin, but only because of record turnout of black and young people. Blacks were not going to, and did not, turn out for Clinton. The young people that voted for Obama aren't young anymore, and they have soured on politics. The current young generation loved Bernie and mostly hated Clinton.

    But most importantly, Democrats rely on a shaky balance between blue-collar labor and identity-grievance groups. The Obama administration spent 8 years fucking over blue-collar, skilled-labor, working-class whites to the benefit of minorities, immigrants, and unskilled labor (hotel workers and burger flippers). Blue-collar labor fled the Democratic Party in droves. It is truly shocking to see a Republican candidate carry Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and maybe Michigan.

    The only reason this election was remotely close is because Trump is such a reprehensible person.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    I disagree. Most other R candidates, particularly the mainstream ones like JEB! would have been fodder for Hillary and allowed her to play to her strengths. As close as it was is more due to Trump being advised and running as a conventional candidate. Primary Trump would have been even more successful.

  • ||

    Jeb definitely would have lost. And that was the establishment's plan, to solidify an oligarchy of Bush/Clintons to rule America for the next generation. The peasants were having none of it.

  • thom||

    Most of the other GOP candidates would have tried to play by the rules and would have lost. The Clintons are masters of the game. Trump refused to play the game.

  • Lost_In_Translation||

    So to not play the game, you appeal to the basic instincts of fear, anger and pretty much the gamut of the Force's dark side? We are dark souls if that's what it takes to win.

  • thom||

    Trump is not an effective communicator, but I always felt it was not so much an appeal to people's anger, but an acknowledgement of it. But I can't recall how many times, especially early in the campaign, things happened that the political class were sure would put an end to Trump, because they would have put an end to almost any other candidate. But Trump wasn't playing that game.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    We are dark souls if that's what it takes to win.

    Yes. People suck.

  • LurkinInaBuildin||

    "How luminous is the dark."

  • Deli-bro||

    "We are dark souls if that's what it takes to win."

    Don't you dare go hollow, friend.

  • Pat (PM)||

    So to not play the game, you appeal to the basic instincts of fear, anger and pretty much the gamut of the Force's dark side?

    Certainly no conventional candidate in this election cycle or any other has ever relied upon fear, anger and teh pure ebilz like Trump.

  • Ragoftag||

    Agreed! The cheap 'white identity-politics and culturally reactionary signalling' from above is not supported by actual facts, just another example of media delusions that have plagued the campaign.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    And you consider this a good or bad thing?

  • Ship of Theseus||

    Trump's blue collar populism is here to stay for a while.

    And you consider this a good or bad thing?

  • Cdr Lytton||

    PFL?

  • Zeb||

    Don't bother.

  • Swiss Servator||

    Proud Floridians?

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Purposely Farting Lefties?

  • JeremyR||

    I dunno. I think you have to give credit to Trump for actively courting blue collar workers.

    The former Republican message to them is basically "Tough luck. Move to a better place with more/better jobs".

  • JEP||

    All of my liberal friends on FB are posting things like "I'm ashamed to be a citizen of a country that would elect a xenophobic, misogynistic, racist, etc., etc., etc."

    Well what does it say about Hillary that she couldn't win an election when she already had all those things in her favor?

    Definitely not a fan of Trump, but it would be fun to see him shimmy a little when he accepts her concession.

  • Kevin Sorbos Manful Locks||

    Same here.

    Nobody has considered the preposterous position that the candidate they were face-fucked to support might actually be unlikeable.

  • LynchPin1477||

    So many of them convinced themselves that she was awesome, most qualified, etc.

  • LynchPin1477||

    They think it means that 25% of the country is stupid at best and racist at worst, and another 50% just don't care because they are insulated by their white privilege (that was thrown at me for voting Johnson).

    Your FB feed sounds mellow compared to mine. I've got people saying they feel physically ill, that they can't help but break into tears during their commute, they are having trouble working, they are reconsidering having children, they are looking for jobs overseas (and these are people who actually have the ability to do that), and literally telling anyone who voted for Trump to just get out of their lives entirely.

    Based on the reactions I'm seeing they'd either buy guns, leave the country, or kill themselves if they were being honest (Note that I am not advocating that anyone actually kill themself and that I assume they would use guns for defensive purposes only when the gestapo comes for them and their friends. I'm ambivalent about people leaving the country, but it would be a shame if skilled people went elsewhere).

  • ||

    "I'm ambivalent about people leaving the country, but it would be a shame if skilled people went elsewhere"

    Whut? If the pinko motherfuckers want to leave they should get the fuck out. Good riddance.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    "I've got people saying they feel physically ill, that they can't help but break into tears during their commute, they are having trouble working, "

    HHHHMMMMM.

    Tell 'em to go get themselves some of that O-BommoCare they loves so much.

  • Galane||

    I have some of that on my FB, some from people I thought were rational humans. Also have some posting the suicide prevention hotline phone number.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    The thing is, Shrillary is also many of the things Trump is accused of. If she isn't xenophobic she is at least xeno-contemptuous. She is a bigot in the way most Liberal Lefties are; she thinks brown people are fools who can be led around by the nose. Her economic policy is pure Leftist fantasy, and that fantasy has been wearing thin for a while.

    If the Democrats keep telling themselves that Trump won because he was a bigot, they will nominate another Arrogant Political Hack, One Each and lose four years from now.

  • Enough About Palin||

    Trump Didn't Win Because He's Trump. He Won Because Clinton Is Clinton
    While many will call this a mandate for Donald Trump, it's better read as an anti-mandate for Hillary Clinton.

    OFFS

  • flye||

    Yeah... also, "others just like that he's not a woman and/or makes bigotry cool again."

    ENB: We love you. The commentariat loves you. It will be ok. You are among friends.

  • Microaggressor||

    I like ENB, but that comment comes off as completely tone-deaf and condescending prog signalling.

  • lafe.long||

    ENB: Less prog more pr0n, please.

  • BYODB||

    Careful ENB, your progressive social agenda is showing.

  • BIBICEL||

    little bit of column A, little bit of column B....pastile potenta

  • chemjeff||

    About the only good thing that I can think of about this election, is that Hillary Clinton lost.

    Is there another?

  • tarran||

    I won my bet with my wife.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Hope that couch is comfy.

  • tarran||

    My wife and I are both being gracious to each other. It helped that my mother in law was losing her shit and flaming everyone in her extended family as the night wore on. I watched Midsomer Murders with my wife and worked on a puzzle while she crocheted.

    It was very peaceful and quiet... except for her phone buzzing with each angry text message.

  • SRVolunteer||

    My wife and I watched a documentary about a different election:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5278596/

    It was sweet to turn that off and see that while we were watching the movie, things had turned around and now Huma's boss about to lose, partially because of Huma's husband.

    HAHAHAHAAAAAAA!

  • ||

    "Whenever you find that you are winning [] against your wife. Stop and apologize immediately."

    --Lazarus Long

  • ||

    Possibly. SCOTUS picks and Trump appears, and I repeat, appears to be a lot better on foreign policy.

  • flye||

    Jeb Bush lost.

    The media lost.

    Pollsters lost.

    Celebrities lost.

    SJWs lost.

  • ||

    Where's Tony?

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, I expect to read all over again about how democracy is wonderful.

  • Johnny Hit n Run Paulene||

    Anyone seen shreek?

  • Swiss Servator||

    Cashing in on his big bet for $600/oz gold?

  • Pro Libertate||

    Lost.

  • Rockabilly||

    Where's Tony?

    In his safe space crying.

  • chemjeff||

    "The media lost"? How? They got the biggest payday of them all. They puffed up Trump like mad in order to push the gullible rubes on the right to vote for him in the primaries, and they profiteered like mad off him by pushing every single sensational story they could about Trump, guaranteeing this election would be nothing more than discussions about whose dick is bigger and who grabbed whose pussy. The media is the gigantic WINNER in this entire election. We can expect 2020 to be another content-free election when some Dem media celebrity gets pushed to the front of the nomination list with a giant assist from the media and then the election will be an "EPIC SMACKDOWN!!!" between Democrat Celebrity Nitwit and Republican Trump the Vulgarian. And CNN/Fox News/MSNBC will be laughing all the way to the bank.

  • Bra Ket||

    "The media lost"? How?

    Because Strongman Trump will no imprison them all, obviously.

    Seriously, I'd expect mainstream media to suffer quite a bit in that their partisan behavior drives people to alternative sources of news.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    I think we all lost.

  • Microaggressor||

    Lena Dunham will be moving to Canada any day now.

  • Rockabilly||

    Lena Dunham will be moving to Canada any day now.

    Why not Mexico?

  • Keva Rosenberg||

    Don Cherry just told all the whiny pinkos to stay away.

    And I'd listen to him. Have you ever seen his suits?

  • Rockabilly||

    I have. They're very stylish. George Clooney should wear one.

  • Lord Rollingpin||

    Nice increase in the Libertarian vote.
    Wailing and weeping of the SJWs.
    A president who will be held to account.

    But yes, Hillary's defeat is by far the best part of it.

  • ||

    Hillary is gone forever. Loretta Lynch is gone. Lurch is gone. Comey is fucked. Huma and her Weiner might soon be seen in orange.

  • Chipwooder||

    True, but that's a pretty major plus right there.

  • Dick N. Bimbose (née Cooper)||

    Eight of nine Marijuana legalization efforts passed.

    Maine passed ranking preference voting.

  • ||

    Just wait until AG Christie comes to their state and sits on them. It's all over for you dopers!

  • chemjeff||

    Yeah that is true about the pot legalization. I forgot about that.

  • flye||

    Weed *and* bareback p*rn in California!

  • Hamster of Doom||

  • Unreconstructed (Sans Flag)||

    While he should have won (by far the most qualified candidate in the race, endorsed by the papers in every major city, etc.), getting over 5% was still a victory for the LP in Texas.

  • sasob||

    Is there another?

    The Republicans should be able to finally repeal Obamacare and get rid of the individual mandate obscenity. Whether they will actually do so remains to be seen, but they sure as hell don't have any more excuses.

  • bibo ergo sum||

    My humble read on Election 2016:

    To get the Bernieites on board, Hillary tacked too far left & in so doing, lost the just-left-of-centers.

  • ||

    PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN!

    Where do I sign up to donate? My donations will be 2nd only to the 'Help Progs move to Canada' donations.

  • tarran||

    They do realize that if you take CA out of the mix, the Democratic party becomes essentially a regional party, right?

    Oh wait, don't tell them that! This could be our chance for a libertarian moment!

  • Chipwooder||

    It already is a regional party, confined to the northeast, the west coast, and a handful of major cities.

  • BYODB||

    Not only that, but without Federal tax dollars the amount of time it would take for them to go broke could only be measured in negative years.

    That's beside the point where a war was fought and lost for people to leave the Union, and those smug bastards never hesitate to bring that up any time Texas starts to grumble about the latest Progressive idiocy that we're forced to endure.

    Sauce for the goose and all that.

  • Chipwooder||

    maybe, just maybe, this will open their eyes to the benefits of federalism.

    Naaaaaaaah

  • Chipwooder||

    I will be a very, VERY enthusiastic backer of the Calexit.

  • rts||

    My donations will be 2nd only to the 'Help Progs move to Canada' donations.

    Hey! What did we ever do to you? Take care of your own trash, we have enough of our own, thanks.

  • sasob||

    Maybe the US could give the goddamned place back to Mexico. Although I'd bet Mexico wouldn't want it.

  • SugarFree||

    Hillary lost. Is Lizzie even allowed to publish an article?

  • GILMORE™||

    I believe Trump whisked off an executive order on a cocktail napkin last night saying all Wimmin Jurnalists are supposed to wear bikinis and do table dances until the inauguration.

  • SugarFree||

    I'm just going by what I read on Salon, man.

  • SugarFree||

    I don't think she'll be old enough.

  • GILMORE™||

    I still think a "Reason-Writer Wet T-Shirt Contest" is not too much to ask.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    My money is on Gillespie.

  • ||

    Dude, please, that includes Madcow. Think of the children!

  • Lord Rollingpin||

    Gilmore, the only political commentator we need!

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Even Martha Radditz and Andrea Mitchell?

  • ||

    She has from now until inauguration day, then it's back to the kitchen.

  • ||

    Depends, is she bleeding from her ... you know?

  • ||

    Two things:
    1) Hillary Clinton was the Dole/McCain candidate. It was "her turn". That ended the same way it always does.
    2) Clinton was fighting both the rising tide of Western countries generally reacting to the fact that globalization is not a rising tide that is lifting all boats and the specific American trend of not giving a party a third term (GHWB being the only exception since the 22nd Amendment).

    I'm not willing to read any trends into her loss, specifically.

    The governorships and Senate results though. How are the Dems ever going to rebuild their bench?

  • Lee Genes||

    How are the Dems ever going to rebuild their bench?

    The Clintons destroyed their lineup. The machine ran roughshod over everyone else in the party, so much so that her only real opponent wasn't actually a Democrat.

  • ||

    Isn't it about time for a shreek appearance?

    "Hey Trumpets, you happy now? Wait until your guy appoints Carl Rove Secretary of State! Bloop Boink Derp!"

  • ||

    He already has AddictionMyth, which he somehow is fooling himself into believing that everyone here doesn't know about that. And I'm pretty sure he has another one, but I can't remember the name right now. Starts with a 'd' and is always posting 'Jill Stein approves of this message', same as AddictionMyth.

  • Lee Genes||

    dajjal

  • Chipwooder||

    She is a uniquely awful person and an unbelievably lousy politician. The only elections she's ever won were as a Democrat in NY - if you had put a pantsuit on a chicken, it would have beaten Rick Lazio. She was all but crowned in 2008 yet managed to blow it against a guy who was just a few years removed from the Illinois state legislature. She struggled to secure the nomination this year versus a ranting elderly Marxist.

    She's the worst candidate for national office I've ever seen. Only an opponent who is a lunatic blowhard kept this from being a massive landslide defeat.

  • TheZenomeProject||

    I strongly disagree with this sentiment, because all of the other GOP candidates would've been baited ruthlessly by the Democrats and would've caved in as the establishment usually did. Other than Rand Paul (who has a very sound platform), Trump was the perfect candidate to counter Hillary, the Democrats, and their obsession with identity politics. In many ways I think he saved the GOP in this particular year rather than hurt them.

  • Gray Ghost||

    I can't see many of the other GOP nominees being able to appeal to the 'Trump Democrats' that carried him to victory in the Rust Belt. Though other nominees (Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Walker) would have done better at things like eviscerating Clinton in the debates, or attacking her on specifics in her record; those things weren't going to carry the GOP to victory this time around.

    Appealing to voters' senses of anxiety about the future---be it anxiety over getting a good job again, being blown up by some imported MENA "widow and orphan", or being robbed---was what that group of voters wanted. And I can't see any of the GOP guys, with the possible exception of Paul or Walker, being able to do that. I mean, can you see Ted Cruz trying to show empathy with a laid off factory worker? Or with anything else that could pass a Voight-Kampff?

  • esteve7||

    John Podesta is Gul Dukat, Hillary is the Female Shapeshifter, and Trump is The Defiant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP0brMrR_QE

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Collectivist analysis collectivises.

    Here's a little tidbit of anecdotal evidence. My self-employed girlfriend DESPISES Hillary Clinton.

  • Dick N. Bimbose (née Cooper)||

    Explain to me Trumbull County Ohio.

    Obama won in 2012 by 22 points. Trump won in 2016 by over 7.

    That's a 30 point swing in four years. Astonishing.

  • Chipwooder||

    Easy - they despise her, as any normal person would.

  • ||

    Nigel Farage was right. Did he lead a mutiny on the parliament yet? Or was that the house of lords they were going to sack? House of lords, good grief, Brits, it's the fucking 21st century.

  • Princess Trigger||

    The worst job this morning?
    The hispanic lawncare guy who has to scrape the "I Voted" stickers off Susan B. Anthony's gravestone.

  • Sevo||

    D'ya think Trump will start announcing what he's doing from a podium labeled "Office of The President Elect"?

  • Chipwooder||

    After all these years, that shit still cracks me up

  • Pro Libertate||

    That's a good idea--a reality show for the next couple of months.

  • flye||

    What channel did people watch last night? Wolf and Van drove me away from CNN, Fox News graphics/scrollers give me a headache, and checked on MSNBC for the laffs only.

    Settled on ABC, and I think Martha Coakley should not be left alone for a couple of days. She was barely keeping it together.

  • Chipwooder||

    FBN. They were the only ones not wetting their pants as the results were building up.

  • Hamster of Doom||

    Started out on realclear, I think, then added the NYTimes for their adorable graphics. By late evening I threw MSNBC into the mix for - yes, exactly - the laffs.

  • C. Anacreon||

    I was glued to the TV until 1am our time, so 4am on the East Coast. I kept dropping in on MSNBC to see them unraveling. They were truly hilarious. There were times that they were almost to the point of shaking their fists at the camera and saying "America, you are all assholes who don't know what's good for you!"

    Unfortunately I had a 7:30am meeting today, so still pretty groggy, but a fun groggy.

  • lap83||

    I lasted about 5 minutes on MSNBC, long enough for some expert to paint their dire, post apocalyptic picture of what the Trump presidency would look like. Basically we will be at war with everyone and it will be illegal to be Mexican.

  • ||

    CBS was not bad. They even let the Republican analysts talk. I did think Bob Sheiffer was going to stroke out when they moved PA and WI to likely Trump.

  • B.P.||

    I watched NBC. Chuck Todd did a decent job. Some guy named Richard Engel became unhinged and blamed the Russians.

  • Cyto||

    The pregnant chick from Today was pretty sharp on there too. Everyone else should have shut up and let those two discuss the election.

  • flye||

    ABC last night:

    *Cut to Martha, who looks like she's being made to kneel in front of Neegan*

    "And let's not forget, Trump made fun of a retard."

    *Cut back to Stephanopolous, who doesn't seem that fazed because he might secretly despise the Clintons*

    "OK thank you Martha. Let's check in on our Times Square set where nothing is happening because everyone is sad."

  • Bubba Jones||

    This was awesome. Was it Martha who went ballistic at the concept of Trump acceptability bias or whatever? She managed to unwittingly illustrate why a Trump voter might not be interested in talking to her about his/her vote.

  • Unreconstructed (Sans Flag)||

    I had it on the local Fox affiliate. My favorite moments were in the 1-1:30ish range where they were explaining, constantly, how it wasn't responsible to call PA for Trump. Then the "Clinton's are going to sleep on it, Trump is pushing people to call it" bits... If I hadn't known better, I'd have sworn they were holding out for something to break and push the calculations to Clinton.

  • Ted S.||

    Didn't. I was listening to a hockey game and following results here.

    Woke up about 3:15 AM and turned on the TV to find Trump had won.

  • MythicalLibertarianWoman||

    Adding onto my Facebook observations from last night, my new favorite post is from a woman who is convinced that murdering LGBT people is now legal and that she "holds no illusions," she knows that she is likely to not survive a Trump presidency. Not because she is committing suicide. Because she genuinely thinks someone is going to murder her.

    This is some primo hysteria going on.

  • ||

    Tell her to not worry for a while. Right now the Trumputistanians have teamed up with the Christian Taliban in DogDick, GA to finally get shreek.

  • GILMORE™||

    "There used to be a world where girls could do anything; Then Trump was elected"

    Obviously, now, upon reaching maturity, all females will be whisked off to breeding-stalls, or the sandwich-factories, depending on how well they score on the Trump-Male-Gaze-Test

  • ||

    We privileged males get to grade them on looks and how good a sammich they make. Sounds good to me.

  • Lord Rollingpin||

    Genius, Reason should put these comments up on the strap line.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    my new favorite post is from a woman who is convinced that murdering LGBT people is now legal and that she "holds no illusions," she knows that she is likely to not survive a Trump presidency

    I know it's not kosher to laugh at the mentally retarded but here goes: BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!11!!11!!!!!!!!

  • Muzzled Woodchipper||

    If she is murdered, statistaically speaking it'll be by someone in one of her precious liberal strongholds.

  • B.P.||

    Things that expired last night:

    "money buys elections"
    "this is what democracy looks like"/"trust democracy" (where is Jackand Joe from Lowell, anyway?)
    polling
    "respect the office of the President"
    pretend unity

    I'm sure the list is long.

  • tarran||

    It's funny. My boss still is so upset that he can barely talk to me.

    He's being civil. But I think his anger is in large part because he knows that I am right and that he was demeaning and slandering people unjustly.

  • Lee Genes||

    JD Vance on the subject

    To suggest that Trump voters are worried about anything real is to invite scorn from certain corners of the mainstream media. The "economic anxiety" tweet, a special brand of sarcasm that mocks the suggestion that Trump supporters are buttressed by economic forces, has entered the online lexicon. Many cannot stomach the fact that people are driven to Trump by anything besides racism.

    Yet the decline felt in certain corners of the country isn't just about economics; it's about every element of life — from family to life expectancy to the drugs that have infected communities. The feeling that so many of America's opinion leaders see your concerns as the product of stupidity at best, or racism at worst, confirms the worst fears of many. They already worry that the coastal elites don't care about them, and many among those elites seem happy to comply.
  • Gray Ghost||

    Yet the decline felt in certain corners of the country isn't just about economics; it's about every element of life — from family to life expectancy to the drugs that have infected communities. The feeling that so many of America's opinion leaders see your concerns as the product of stupidity at best, or racism at worst, confirms the worst fears of many. They already worry that the coastal elites don't care about them, and many among those elites seem happy to comply.

    +1 "the truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die."

  • Hamster of Doom||

    People will forgive you quicker for being wrong than or being right.

  • burserker||

    I work in state govt., walked into the office lobby and one of our directors was crying. later in the afternoon, my boss had tears going down her face when she tried to talk shit on trump. my mother in law sent out an email to all family and friends telling us that anyone that didn't support hrc is a fool. best day I've had in years!!!

  • ||

    My wife has asked me to not troll our liberal friends on FB, but I'm seeing the "Draft Michelle Obama" meme starting to get play already. Does the Party of Feminist not have anyone with two X chromosomes whose major qualification for the job is something other than being First Lady?

  • B.P.||

    I figure Michelle Obama will be the nominee in 2020. It's everyone's opportunity to cast a vote that is both sexist and racist.

  • ||

    Identity politics is all that the left has. That and free shit. They have nothing else, at all.

  • ||

    I think they're fucked on identity politics. They have too many identities now. When it was just blacks and women they could keep it on the rails, but as the identity groups split into ever more factions, at some point they can't cobble together a large enough identity coalition to get across the finish line.

  • flye||

    The bar keeps moving too. Being black or female is no longer enough by itself.

    Wish I knew who to credit for this: "Straight black men really are the white people of black people."

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Trump won in a crowded Republican field with plenty of early favorites.

    He won a Presidential election against a candidate who was funded to the hilt.

    Does that qualify as a mandate? I'd say so, else one of those other candidates would have pulled it off.

    A mandate for what? That's harder to identify, but I'd guess based on all those rust belters and union types who voted enthusiastically for the guy that it'd be something pertinent to their interests.

    Libertarians, conservatives, and progressives who deny this basic reality are begging to continue to lose elections to jerk-offs like Trump.

  • Eric Bana||

    Does that qualify as a mandate? I'd say so

    I disagree. McCain in 2008 received more votes than Trump did (59.9 million compared to 59.5 million). This election was clearly not pro-Trump, and he doesn't have a mandate from the electorate given these numbers. This election was defined by Hillary's awfulness. Trump would have lost in a normal election.

    Don't get me wrong. It's great that people rejected Hillary. As I wrote below, the election being anti-Hillary and not pro-Trump are both good things.

  • SugarFree||

    What do I tell my daughters about the election?!?

    How about "Don't nominate a felon everyone hate, sweetie pie."?

  • ||

    "If you marry an ambitious enough lawyer, ignore his philandering, and help him peddle influence, one day you may have a shot at the Presidency after he's done with it."

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Trump Didn't Win Because He's Trump. He Won Because Clinton Is Clinton"

    This is missing a big part of the picture.

    Yes, Republicans rejected Hillary Clinton because she's a crook.

    But why did so many registered Democrats vote for Trump? Why did so many formerly registered Democrats vote for Trump?

    The fact is that the progressives and social justice warriors who run the Democratic party have actively demonized middle class, blue collar, whites--and that has been their core constituency--every time they win a national election.

    The Democrats cannot demonize their own core constituency and expect to win elections, and the social justice warriors who run the Democratic party will continue to lose elections so long as they continue to demonize average Americans--for being average Americans.

    Social justice warriors and progressives chased average Americans out of Democratic party and into the waiting arms of Donald Trump--and you can't blame that on Hillary Clinton's many sins.

    If the Democrats want to be successful in future elections, running someone without Hillary's rap sheet isn't gonna do it. They're gonna have to rid themselves of social justice warriors.

  • TheZenomeProject||

    This. Among many demographics, Trump finally made it fashionable to reject the SJW/progressive agenda, and as ugly as some of the rhetoric and behavior seemed to some on this board, this was a major reason that he was popular enough to get a strong base to vote for him and enough of the fence-sitters to lean Trump at the voting tables. I've said this a million times, and I'll say it again, but I think it's misguided to say that another GOP candidate would've done better vs. Hillary for this particular year, mainly because so many voters knew how little of a spine the establishment had against leftist identity politics. Trump IMO was the perfect candidate against Hillary.

  • Bubba Jones||

    I unstated assumption is that another GOP candidate would have had the balls to call Hillary out on her bullshit.

    I think Cruz fits that bill. The others don't.

  • sasob||

    Carly Fiorina probably does, too.

  • LynchPin1477||

    If the Democrats want to be successful in future elections, running someone without Hillary's rap sheet isn't gonna do it. They're gonna have to rid themselves of social justice warriors.

    Yes and no. SJWs have definitely chased a lot of people out of the Democratic party, but Trump gave them a place to go that a different Republican may not have. So I think that they could win in the future with a better candidate than Clinton and a different opponent than Trump without ridding themselves of SJWs.

    Now, I've said that almost any other Republican should have been able to beat Clinton and I still believe that (the coalition may have looked different). What I'm saying above is that not any Republican could have beat a better candidate than Clinton.

  • TheZenomeProject||

    I feel as if Trump will be far more popular after four years than he was in his initial campaign. So much of the hatred that people spewed about Trump came from the fact that he was an outsider that played a different game than people were used to. Even if the more protectionist policies that he has will not agree with mine all that much, I'm pretty sure that it'll be popular with a lot of blue-collar Democrats and centrist Republicans.

  • Galane||

    I think the tipping point was Hillary's basket of deplorables speech. There are a lot of people who for various reasons typically vote for Democrats AND are church going gun owners and everything else she shat on in that speech.

    Think of it as her 47% moment, and it didn't even have to be secretly recorded.

  • ||

    Yes, but Hillary and the Clinton's had a new plan. As soon was she was elected, they were going to start importing millions and millions of people from the middle east and set them up on government assistance so that they would be a huge new voting block that could effectively overcome the voting block they gave up. The one they had to abandon, because anyone who cares more about the economy than they do about social justice and climate change, are deplorable and irredeemable. You'd really think it fiction that someone could say something that fucking stupid, but look, there it is.

  • Eric Bana||

    Look at the total votes, though Ken. Romney got 1.4 million votes in Wisconsin, and Trump got 1.4 million votes too. Trump only got a little over 1,000 more votes than Romney, which is nothing.

    Did Trump really get blue-collar Democrats? Even if he did, Trump would have been crushed in any other election. As I wrote below, McCain was crushed in 2008 when he got 59.9 million votes, and Trump is only at 59.5 million votes right now.

    ENB is right on the money. This election was heavily anti-Clinton (which was good). But Trump is even less popular than McCain was in 2008.

  • Dick N. Bimbose (née Cooper)||

    Did Trump really get blue-collar Democrats?

    As far as I know, they didn't start importing Republicans into Trumbull County Ohio overnight.

  • Ted S.||

    But why did so many registered Democrats vote for Trump? Why did so many formerly registered Democrats vote for Trump?

    Clinton and Trump are barely going to win more votes than McCain won in 2008.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    I can't wait for President Trump to visit some foreign country and grope the hot wife or royal.

    "World War III started when newly sworn in President of the United States Donald Trump visited Jordan and grabbed queen Rania by the..."

    It's going to be grand.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    I'm picturing the country club dinner party scene from Caddyshack.

    Trump: "You must have been somethin' before electricity! ... Hey, you're a lot of woman, you want to make $14 the hard way?"

  • Ken Shultz||

    There's a lesson in this for social conservatives, too.

    One of the reasons the Republican candidate was so successful in attracting the support of traditional Democrat voters was because the Republican shut the fuck up about stupid shit like gay marriage.

    It's far easier for registered Democrats and traditional Democrats in Wisconsin, suburban Pennsylvania, etc to vote for Republicans when no one is talking about a stupid, distracting wedge issue like gay fucking marriage.

  • Lee Genes||

    This right here

  • GILMORE™||

    Yep.

  • Ship of Theseus||

    I agree. They should ignore gay marriage and abortion and stick to the issues: Border walls and protectionism. Gotta get them blue-collar workers.

  • Mr. Paulbotto||

    It's also easy for the socons to shut up about gay marriage when they have an agressive man promising to aggressively support religious freedom. Might be a lesson in there for the likes of GayJay...

  • Chipwooder||

    Bingo.

    Several years ago Mitch Daniels talked about the need for a "truce" over socon hobby horses like gay marriage. He was excoriated for it, and it made me shake my head at how shortsighted and stupid that was.

    Same thing with legalization now. It's gonna happen eventually anyway - why not get ahead of the game and use it as a wedge to split the Dems? Oh, right, because the GOP is largely dimwit authoritarians.

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: Trump Didn't Win Because He's Trump. He Won Because Clinton Is Clinton
    While many will call this a mandate for Donald Trump, it's better read as an anti-mandate for Hillary Clinton.

    It is with deep regret Heil Hitlary didn't win.
    She would've set records on the amounts of cash she could've embezzled and shared with her cronies.
    What a tragedy.
    What a tragedy it is indeed.
    She had such potential.
    (Sheds tears from both cheeks.)

  • B.P.||

    Tears come out of your cheeks? Weird.

  • GILMORE™||

    Dear Reason =

    Please have someone do a long-form piece about how this election should be seen as indisputable proof of the utter idiocy of people who still oppose Citizens' United

    It could have been written after the primaries (because sanders also provided good evidence that you can challenge an overwhelmingly-powerful, institutionally-backed candidate)...

    ....but by now the point that "money can't buy elections" and "people aren't sheep that can be herded by media".... should be obvious to anyone.

    On that latter point = there's probably an entire separate article needed on how this election was - if anything - a rejection of the entirety of the mainstream political media.

    Just for a start, everyone at CNN from the top to the bottom should be fired. And that's not an exaggeration at all. I don't mean because of their "bias", but because of the worldview that prevails in these orgs that they have some *responsibility* to tell people What To Think, rather than merely report news.

  • DaveSs||

    Anyone found any good Downfall parodies about the results?

  • Cynical Asshole||

    I found this.

  • Eric Bana||

    Right now Trump is at almost 59.5 million votes. John McCain was crushed and he got 59.9 million votes.

  • Chipwooder||

    Well, yeah, running a repugnant, thoroughly corrupt candidate like Hillary Clinton, who is utterly devoid of charisma, tends to not inspire people to run for the polls.

  • Eric Bana||

    That's exactly right. So the election really was anti-Clinton rather than pro-Trump. Trump is even less popular than McCain was in 2008. Yet Trump still won.

  • TheZenomeProject||

    The question that I do have, though, is whether that will be the case in four years. If blue-collar Democrats and moderates don't know yet about how consistent Trump's policies are to their ideals, they probably will after four years. I feel that he actually has a golden opportunity to get popular support among those groups, as well as younger potential conservatives that used to be turned off from voting due to old platforms like anti-gay marriage.

  • GILMORE™||

    So what? The electoral vote is how you become president

  • Eric Bana||

    The point is that it affirms what ENB is saying. This election was anti-Clinton rather than pro-Trump, which is a relief.

  • GILMORE™||

    I think its a mistake to take slight differences in popular vote numbers and make blanket assumptions about what anything "means". The narratives exist in your head, not in real-life.

    The entire "This is what X *means*"-industry is full of shit. They need a dose of this.

  • Eric Bana||

    We'll have to agree to disagree, then. I think that Trump winning but receiving fewer votes than even McCain did in 2008 clearly demonstrates that this election was not pro-Trump, and was anti-Hillary. Anti-Hillary is a good thing, and not pro-Trump is also a good thing.

  • GILMORE™||

    Whatever floats your boat.

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    Well, for one, you're looking at numbers from a couple of states. States that don't necessarily make or break an election. Along with what Gilmore said.

    Second, how do you/we know that the total numbers are even the same? I'm sure those stats are, or will be, available at some point, and you may very well be correct. However, the "59.9M" stat doesn't automatically mean the same this time around than last time.

    On top of all of this, I'm waiting for a really good article about how citizens need to start looking to themselves, instead of blindly accepting strong men/women to guide our lives. But, of course, that would mean people would have to start doing for themselves, and stop trying punish others for not doing things the correct way..

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    That's because of all the racist voter ID laws keeping POCs and LBGQWERTY voters away!!1!!

    /proglodytes

  • ||

    Jesus. Its getting worse. I mean, I know I'm a high logic/low emotion decision maker, but FB is descending into the maudlin. I really think the cognitive dissonance might permanently damage some people. They believed something that wasn't true so hard, and now that they can no longer tell themselves the Big Lie, they are flailing around. Its just pitiful.

  • Lee Genes||

    Not all of them. From a black friend of mine.

    People didn't vote for Trump, they voted against Hillary... Just my opinion. Dust yourselves off and keep living life. No matter who it is, you still have to keep working, paying bills, taking care of your family etc.. Suck it up and move on. If it's that important to you, pay attention and vote more than once every 4 years. Local votes are the foundation. From the bottom up.
  • ||

    Most of this is from white women with graduate degrees who I got to know in a college town. They are really pissed that ovaries will not be running the show.

  • Pro Libertate||

    WTF has happened to people?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    We choose the wrong rocks.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Hope Trump has a good space policy. Like letting the private sector run amok.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    There's already people clamoring for Michelle Obama to run in 2020.

    It's sexist enough to be specifically trying to get a woman to be president, but now they are compounding it by also selecting only women who have been married to male presidents... multiple times. They're somehow managing to be sexist against both men and women at the same time. It's kind of mind boggling that they pulled that off.

  • Pro Libertate||

    How about the most effective person in getting their policies promoted? It shows how incredibly screwed up they are that they prefer losing to them actually getting something done.

  • TheZenomeProject||

    As the Democrats probably know, if you don't have any creative or reasonable policy idea to save your life, just identity politic it as much as you possibly can. Line up a candidate with as many protected groups as you can possibly affiliate with. That's how monstrosities such as Kamala Harris can exist.

  • ||

    Its like how they are angry at the 53% of white women who voted for Trump. Oh? The 53% of white women who are married to, the mother of or daughter of one of those racist, sexist, xenophobic white men without degrees? Its like they can't conceive that they have been insulting people and their families. Especially, since "racist" is about the second worst thing you can say about people politically, the first being "nazi", which some also slung around.

  • sasob||

    Most of this is from white women with graduate degrees who I got to know in a college town. They are really pissed that ovaries will not be running the show.

    That's because they're as sexist as they accuse men of being.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I view it as a mandate for tremendous alt-text. Tremendous!

  • Enough About Palin||

    I just passed a woman in the skyway who was teary faced and saying to someone via her cellphone, "The FBI knows it was the Russians!" I burst out laughing. This is one fun day!

  • josh||

    this is it in a nutshell. against a decent democratic candidate -not bernie though...don't be silly- he loses.

    which is why i think he loses in four years, even if the democrats learn all the wrong lessons, and of course they will. that assumes he runs again though, which would surprise me. the only way i'd be convinced otherwise at this point is if he's shot and lives. the sympathy might get him reelection depending on the timing.

  • Bubba Jones||

    Trump got 20% more votes than either W or Gore in 2000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ote_margin

    I can't explain the huge jump in voting that occurred between 2000 and 2004, but it is probably not a good idea to use it as a permanent baseline.

  • Bubba Jones||

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ote_margin

    Trump beat W and Gore by 20%. It is a mistake to spin this as a low vote count for him.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    "Forty-two percent of women in 2016 backed Trump according to exit-poll data, while Romney got 44 percent of women voters."

    Guess Trump had bigger binders ...

  • Babylonandon||

    Frankly, the folks - especially the ones on the Left - really want to understand last night ... I'd suggest they sit down and watch the movie FALLING DOWN with Michael Douglas. William D-FENS Foster pretty much encapsulates the bulk of the folks who voted for Trump last night. People are just fed up with the whole system.

  • Widhalm19||

    Am I reading The Huffington Post or Reason? Donald Trump's election plus both the Senate and House going red is a HUGE rebuke of contemporary Progressivism and Liberalism. Americans are sick of Leftist's divide and destroy politics.

  • woodNfish||

    "Trump Didn't Win Because He's Trump. He Won Because Clinton Is Clinton"

    Yeah, you keep believing that Brown. You and the rest of the muttonheads at unReason have got stupid down to an art.

  • josh||

    in retrospect it should've been more obvious. someone on reason pointed out how there were notable republicans who didn't endorse trump, but not one notable democrat did the same for hillary, despite the general belief that she was horrible in her own ways. the only time any democrats cared about her deficiencies was when she was running against sanders, and that was really about her not being liberal enough. the moment that primary challenge was over, they basically stopped caring. in fact, prior to election day, many dems would actually argue with you that it was all just gop propaganda and hillary was really a wonderful human being/decent public servant. they couldn't even be bothered to admit she was a highly flawed candidate. of course they're shocked that people might have second thoughts about things they refused to acknowledge in the first place.

  • believe||

    First, both Clinton and Trump are seriously flawed, in character and policy. My vote for Johnson / Weld was not a protest vote by any means. Their views reflect mine and they possess honesty, integrity, experience, and leadership!

    Second, a great deal of blame for Trump's win belongs to the media and their polling, as well as the corrupt R & D run debate commission! Media gave almost exclusive exposure to the major party candidates and their antiquated polling didn't reflect reality. The debate commission knowingly set the 15% polling threshold for invitations on stage, insurmountable without equal and fair media coverage and inclusive polling questions. So, ultimately, voters were offered only two options, Clinton the status quo or Trump for change!

    The balance of blame goes to those who chose not to vote at all. The Constitution can't save us from ourselves!

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