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Newly Revealed Benghazi Emails Bring Hillary Clinton's Server Scandal Full Circle

At least 30 of Hillary Clinton’s supposedly non-work-related emails discussed Benghazi attack. It's a good time to revisit her decision to attack Libya, too.

Jeff Malet Photography/NewscomJeff Malet Photography/NewscomThe FBI successfully recovered nearly 15,000 emails previously deleted from Hillary Clinton's private server, and we now know that at least 30 of those emails discussed the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya.

These newly discovered Benghazi emails will add fuel to the fire surrounding Clinton's decision to use a private email server while she was Secretary of State and could raise further questions about whether she fully cooperated with an investigation into the attack that killed four American diplomats in Libya on September 11, 2012.

Even as this revelation adds a new dimension to Clinton's ongoing email scandal, it also brings the whole investigation back to where it started. It was the congressional inquiry into Clinton's handling of the Benghazi attack that initially uncovered Clinton's use of a private email server. After being ordered to turn over the content of that private server to the committee investigating Benghazi, Clinton's lawyers hastily deleted nearly 15,000 emails and claimed they were not connected to official government business. The FBI's subsequent criminal investigation of her use of a private server while being Secretary of State resulted in some of those deleted emails being recovered via a variety of different means and, well, now here we are back at Benghazi.

The Associated Press reports that the existence of the emails was confirmed by the State Department on Tuesday in a federal court hearing. The hearing was part of an ongoing lawsuit brought by Judicial Watch, a conservative group that has filed federal Freedom of Information Act lawsuits seeking the disclosure of Clinton's emails. In response, the State Department said the FBI has turned over about 14,900 emails "purported not to have been among those previously released," the AP reported.

Previously, Clinton has told reporters and a congressional committee that all work-related emails were turned over last year—and even though these new emails may well turn out to be of a personal nature, it's hard to believe that any discussion by a sitting Secretary of State about a terrorist attack on a U.S. consulate would be completely non-work-related. The text of the emails will not be released for at least another month, while the Department of State reviews and redacts them, according to the AP.

This isn't the first time questions have been raised about whether Clinton actually turned over all the relevent emails from her work at the State Department. In June, the Wall Street Journal reported on a 2010 email exchange between Clinton and Huma Abedin, her top aide, in which the secretary worried about her personal email becoming accessible to the public. That exchange was included in the State Department Inspector General's report on Clinton's email use but it was absent from the files turned over to the FBI and released to the public—a sign that was "raising questions about the thoroughness of her disclosures to the government and her record-keeping practices as secretary of state," the paper said.

Those questions will be raised again in the wake of Tuesday's disclosure—more loudly, one would expect, since the public has more awareness of the Benghazi attack than it does about internal State Department IT policies.

Clinton was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing in July by FBI Director James Comey, though he said she was "extremely careless" in handling important government information. It's too soon to know whether the content of those 30 emails (or any others) will bolster a potential perjury case against Clinton.

Even if there are no additional legal repercussions for Clinton, the very existance of these deleted Benghazi emails could hurt her politically by giving voters another reason to distrust the Democratic nominee.

"Clinton swore before a federal court and told the American people she handed over all of her work-related emails. If Clinton did not consider emails about something as important as Benghazi to be work-related, one has to wonder what is contained in the other emails she attempted to wipe from her server," said Jason Miller, a spokesman for Donald Trump's presidential campaign, in a statement.

As of Tuesday afternoon, Clinton's campaign has not commented on the discovery of the Benghazi emails.

Having Benghazi back in the news is bad for Clinton on another front, too, though the Trump campaign may not be deft enough to exploit it.

On top of her handling (or mishandling) of the Benghazi incident, Clinton should face tougher questions over her decision while Secretary of State to push the Obama administration into attacking Libya—a move that has left the country in turmoil and potentially turned it into a breeding ground for terrorism. Obama has admitted that the Libyan intervention was a mistake, but Clinton has not given any indication that she would approach foreign affairs any differently as a result of lessons learned there.

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  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The FBI successfully recovered nearly 15,000 emails previously deleted from Hillary Clinton's private server, and we now know that at least 30 of those emails discussed the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya.

    Thank god they concluded their investigation, and exonerated Hillary before these were discovered.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Clinton's lawyers hastily deleted nearly 15,000 emails and claimed they were not connected to official government business.

    Thank god Hillary isn't subject to SarbOx.

    Oh wait, she is subject to SarbOx. Everyone is.

  • ||

    Some emails were destroyed after lawyer review and before the Fed investigation, so I don't think SarbOx applies.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Sarbanes-Oxley Act that says a person is guilty of a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in prison, if he "knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States."

    That's pretty broad. If they deleted emails with the intent to impede the administration of any matter, 20 years in federal prison.

    When I read "After being ordered to turn over the content of that private server to the committee investigating Benghazi, Clinton's lawyers hastily deleted nearly 15,000 emails and claimed they were not connected to official government business."

    If there was an order to turn over emails-- that tells me there was an investigation going on (remember the key is an 'investigation'-- no one has to be charged with anything) and if they 'hastily deleted those emails immediately following that, I'm not sure how that's not at least something that shows up on the SarbOx radar.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    ..contd

    Maybe the Boem is being overly dramatic and it didn't actually play out the way the story was written. But at face value-- and at face value of everything else I read, I'm not sure how a guy ends up with 20 years in federal prison because he destroys a hard drive after someone leaves a business card (that constituted the administration of a federal matter) and Hillary is walking around the streets, scott-free.

  • ||

    All this 'what ifs' and 'did she?' and combing through the law is bull shit.

    She clearly broke it and any lower level civil servant would be harassed by the U.S. government and thrown in jail without much thought.

    America is broke - and not in the financial sense - if she doesn't face some kind of justice.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    She will get justice. She'll be president for the next 8 years.

  • BigT||

    Jail to the chief. Or hail to the thief. Or both.

    "Pardon me, Mr President." Will result in Prez Donald. I assume.

  • PapayaSF||

    Haha, no. I still don't think she'll be elected, and I doubt she'll live eight years. She seems extremely unhealthy.

  • Trshmnstr, green and mangy||

    America is broke - and not in the financial sense - if she doesn't face some kind of justice.

    yup

  • Charles Easterly||

    Indeed. Nicely done, Rufus.

  • Gozer the Gozarian||

    Clinton Emails = Enron/Andersen shredders.

    There is a direct an unequivocal correlation there. This is one of those ironic times when "Hillary the Super-Predator" gets hit with a mandatory sentence.

  • CatoTheChipper||

    Oh wait, she isn't, because her name is Clinton.

  • ConstitutionFirst||

    Stick a fork in America, she's done. The very fact Clinton continues to run for high office (any office) in light of the fact she destroyed subpoenaed evidence is inexcusable. It's a red flag you ignore at your peril.

    If you vote for this level of open criminality, don't cry when it all goes sideways. And it will, as sure as the sun rises in the east.

    At some point Clinton is going to (rightly) conclude you are a useful idiot who has out-lived your usefulness. And what are you going to do about it? Nothing. You voted for lawlessness. That's what you're going to get.

    Trump has his warts, but he's not an open criminal.

  • ThomasD||

    We know there was classified information on that server. Were those attorneys legally allowed to possess such information? If not why have they not been charged with a crime, or at least been sanctioned by their respective bar(s)?

    Also, since when does attorney-client privilege protect illegal activity.

  • Gilbert Martin||

    Wow it's just one fake scandal after another.

    Of course anything negative about Saint Hillary is always and automatically a fake scandal.

  • NYC2AZ||

    I guess she needed a bigger cloth.

  • Browncoat||

    I can already see accusations of a fake scandal coming.

  • Jimoxe||

    Surprise, surprise Sgt Carter!
    This woman and her staff are so bumbling and incompetent it would be funny if she wasn't running for president.
    They can't even delete e mails properly.
    A wood chipper would have worked better.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    Your attempt to finger the culpreet is duly noted.

  • ||

    What you did there, could result in a subpoena.

  • Ted S.||

    What difference, at this point, does it make?

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Can't wait for Shrillz and the gang to make decisions about the internet for all of us.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    private email servers for all!

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    Hands off my series of tubes!

  • JWW||

    It will be interesting to see what the judge does on Sept. 13th when these documents are do.

    It is well past time the judge throw the State Department lawyers in a cell for contempt when the emails are not delivered.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    There's someone else they could throw in a cell, you know.

  • Adans smith||

    Hitler?

  • R C Dean||

    Close enough.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Ladies, and Gent's. Your next President.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMlKmELIhgY

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Clinton was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing in July by FBI Director James Comey

    She was? I must have missed that part. All I remember is a bunch of mealy-mouthed bullshit about not recommending prosecution to the department whose job it is to decide whether to prosecute.

  • dantheserene||

    ASM- That sentence jumped out at me as well because it isn't remotely correct.

  • PapayaSF||

    I agree. That's the b.s. Democrat apologist line, not the truth.

  • Long Woodchippers||

    and IIRC there are still ongoing investigattions into related matters, such as money laundering and influence peddling

  • Calidissident||

    Am I reading that paragraph correctly that her lawyers deleted 15,000 emails after being ordered to turn them over? If that's so, I must have missed that, and that is appalling, even if they all were not work related. Someone in that position cannot be trusted to determine which emails are and are not work-related - and she lost the right (at least ethically, if not legally) to do so when she decided to exclusively use her private email account on a private server to conduct official government business. Even if they actually were all not work-related, the optics of that move are terrible, but once again Clinton doesn't care because she shameless and knows she's above the law.

  • ||

    Many politicians have had personal accounts or servers where lawyers review and delete emails. Welcome to reality!

  • Possible Bot||

    Give an example that's similar.

  • Calidissident||

    Well then that makes it totally ok then! Also, the circumstances (using a personal account on a personal server exclusively to conduct official business, and then deleting thousands of emails after an FBI request) are fairly unique and egregious. As the other poster said, I'd love to see a comparable example.

  • Sevo||

    Hey, everybody knows it's true. The Hill-shill just told us that; what do you want?

  • BYODB||

    Even Nixon was allowed to erase parts of his tapes...oh...

  • Sir Digby Chicken Caesar||

    Welcome to reality!

    He said, totally NOT sucking Hillary's cock.

  • Gozer the Gozarian||

    Actually there's a HUGE difference between a personal email account and using a non-governmental computer system as your primary system of record. Big, fucking huge, gaping difference there.

  • Sevo||

    "Many politicians have had personal accounts or servers where lawyers review and delete emails. Welcome to reality!"

    But do they erase them after they're subpoenaed, claiming they are "private" and tine have the FBI find they are directly related to government business?
    Hmmm? Do they do that?

  • ConstitutionFirst||

    Her emails were subpoenaed evidence, or did you miss that part?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    It's a sarbanes oxley violation which applies to the individuals involved.

  • ||

    So, the first paragraph barely covers the topic, and the rest of the article is just re-tread of witch hunts that have been largely dismissed except by the rabid Conservatives and Libertarians looking for witches like Sir Vladimir from the Monty Python sketch.

  • Lee Genes||

    You're so alpha. I bet your PUA lines get all the girls.

  • John Titor||

    And here's the retread of pathetic, immoral sycophants desperately trying to cover up the corruption on their chosen candidate.

  • Guestus III||

    So alpha, do you think deliberately trying to circumvent FOIA, using a poorly made homebrew server to conduct classified business, and then lying about the very existence of that server at least constitutes an ethical lapse, whether legal or not? Seriously asking.

  • BigT||

    OK, shreek, whatever. It's not as bad as Trump saying he would build a wall to keep out Mexican criminals and terrorists. That's seriously evil. Someone's feelings were hurt.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    Ok. So, based on your posts I'm going to assume that you were not a big fan of George W, am I right? Just as an intellectual exercise, what if it was Condoleeza Rice who had kept a private email server leading up to the invasion of Iraq from which she conducted official business and sent/received classified email? Or even better, Dick Cheney? Would that also be a fake scandal?

  • Intraveneous Woodchipper||

    But but it's different cuz BOOOOOoOOoOoOooSSSHHhHhH something something...

  • Sevo||

    Notice the Hill-shill isn't bothering to answer any question or comment.
    Sock-troll?

  • ConstitutionFirst||

    Vote for a criminal, expect to be ruled by lawlessness.

  • Doctor Whom||

    And nothing else will happen. It's good to be the Crown Princess.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

  • Intraveneous Woodchipper||

    Whenever I hear/read "it's good to be the king" I instantly think of History of the World, Pt. 1....

    Louis XV: "Piss Boy! Hold my bucket!" Fucking genius.

    Who do you think holds Shrillary's piss bucket? Huma?

  • Juice||

    These newly discovered Benghazi emails will add fuel to the fire

    Don't you mean fuel to the smoke since there's obviously no fire?

  • BigT||

    Fuel + oxygen + ignition source = combustion

  • ||

    Libya? Dude, Khaddafy is dead. This qualifies as success in her mind.

    Subject: Ben YAWN-ZEE.

    Yo, I hear my good friend Stephen Chris is dead? This is such a nightmare for my, erm, run in the morning. Ha, ha. /wink. Anyway, make sure the Russians aren't involved in any way. Also, can you next time make sure I get a latte and not a cappuccino you stupid a-hola! Ha, ha.

    H.

    /FBI agent. Reads. Files under 'Personal'.

  • esteve7||

    Please remind me of what Nixon got impeached for again, because the crap Nixon did seems tame to this.

  • esteve7||

    Edit: Would have gotten impeached for.

    I mean what the hell does Hillary have to do to go to jail.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    I'd say eat a living baby on live national television, but who knows?

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    You don't support a woman's right to choose to eat babies?

  • BYODB||

    I like how you qualified that as she has to eat a live baby.

  • SimonD||

    ---I mean what the hell does Hillary have to do to go to jail.---

    ...Become a conservative Republican.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Covering something up.

  • Libertarian||

    Eighteen and a half minutes of blank tape dwarfs tens of thousands of emails. Sounds legit to me.

  • Bra Ket||

    The argument, "it's not the crime it's the cover up", ceased to be relevant anymore when Bill committed perjury.

  • bassjoe||

    I think every wannabe president has learned something from Clinton's travails: "NEVER USE EMAIL."

    Trump, bless his soul, doesn't. But I'm not sure if that's due to any kind of forward-thinking.

  • Libertarian||

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people get tangled up in their own emails. Doesn't anybody just pick up a phone anymore?

  • Jake Stone||

    Ladies and Gentlemen, this WILL be your next president. Fuck us all.

    What I mean is, this is the most hated, distrusted, reviled, crooked, felonious, rotten excuse for a candidate pretty much in the history of the world. Beating her in an election should have been like dunking on a trash can. And the pitiful Repubs could not even manage that because they were blinded by keeping their good old boy network up and running. This is where we are today.

  • ||

    I know someone who is voting Trump. After I asked if he considered Johnson, his basic stance is it's a two-party game and Johnson but can act as a spoiler. He's Republican and will stick with Trump. And he's a celebrity no less.

  • ||

    See, I can understand the lesser-evil line of thought, even if I vehemently disagree with it. I wish TEAM RED would drop trying to sell me on The Donald as anything other than the "Not Hillary" candidate.

  • Sevo||

    Alamanian is running, and he's sure not Shrill.

  • BYODB||

    This is the same reason my parents will be voting for Trump. It has nothing to do with him and everything to do with Hillary. It's a position I understand, but using this election as a springboard for the Libertarian ticket seems like the longer game the country absolutely needs to survive. Voting for Trump is, as usual, merely slowing down the rate at which we're hurtling off the cliff. And that's the best possible scenario.

    With 8+ trillion dollar deficits just for Obama, that is nowhere close to enough anymore. We need to actually put the car in reverse.

  • PapayaSF||

    I think you are wrong. Trump and Hillary are basically tied in the polls, and I believe he has a large "secret" vote of people who do not get counted by pollsters. (E.g. people who haven't voted in previous elections.) Any bad news between now and the election helps him. Obamacare premiums are about to go up for a lot of people.

  • Intraveneous Woodchipper||

    If this underground Trumpian Block exists (and I'm not sure that it does) can you really rely on said people to get out to the polls? How can it possibly make up for all the conservative-leaning types who won't be voting at all or, if they do, will (God help us) vote third party?

  • PapayaSF||

    Lots of people are really, really ticked off. I sense a 1994-style election.

  • Calidissident||

    "I think you are wrong. Trump and Hillary are basically tied in the polls"

    Uh, what? Clinton has about a 5-7 point lead in the polls nationally (depending on which aggregator you look at, whether 3rd parties are included, etc.) which is solid and commanding in a presidential race. She's also ahead comfortably in most of the swing states (at least enough to clear 270 easily). That is not basically a tie. And there's little evidence other than your own wishful thinking that he's got huge legions of supporters not being counted by the polls. If he doesn't close the gap between now and November his odds are pretty low. Polls being off that much in a US presidential election is pretty much unprecedented in the modern era. You'd probably have to go back to 48 to find a comparable example.

  • PapayaSF||

    As I said above, I sense a 1994-like mood. Lots of motivation in flyover country that Romney and McCain did not get. Huge Trump rallies compared to the pathetic ones Hillary can barely hobble to. Large numbers of people are ticked off. Very high "country in wrong direction" numbers. Lots of interest in Trump in groups not normally GOP: gays, blacks, Hispanics. Little enthusiasm for Hillary.

    There are still people predicting a Trump landslide. I am not going that far, but I don't think Hillary has a "solid and commanding lead." Not this year. There's too much turmoil for the polls to be very accurate.

  • BYODB||

    I would really stop leaning on polls in this election for either candidate, or in any election in the future. They stopped being predictive, so why keep quoting them like they're still relevant? This is another reason why the 15% entry requirement for the debates needs to be dropped.

    It's very possible that PapayaSF could be right though. I tend to agree, but I'm not as certain.

  • Jerryskids||

    30 out of 15,000? That's a very tiny percentage that accidentally slipped through the cracks - one-fifth of one percent or 99.8% pure. You can't do much better than that. Donald Trump has a lower success rate than that with his business ventures and people think he's a business genius. A baseball player who had a 99.8% batting average would be the greatest baseball player ever. A woman has a 99.8% success rate and somehow that's just not good enough? Pu-leeeez. We know what you're really dog-whistling about here, digging up this stale, old non-story again.

    /Woohoo! Let's ride the spin-machine one again, Daddy, that was fun!

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    Now you're thinking.

  • The Fusionist||

    That was...uncanny.

  • GroundTruth||

    But if that 0.2% were times an MVP got booted out of the game in the first inning and his team went on to loose, then it might be significant.

    It's not the number of emails, it's their content and significance.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Which is what you should say to someone who isn't sarcastically playing Hill-shill, though your efforts will be just as futile.

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    "Your honor, I have a 99.999% success rate in not killing people. Surely you can't condemn me for life for a 5 minute exception of my almost perfect record."

  • Gozer the Gozarian||

    Um, your math sucks.

    15,000 additional emails from the existing 52,000 already turned over. 15,000 work-related emails. Don't avoid the giant turd in the room, we can all still smell it.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    Um, your math sucks.

    Not as bad as your parody detector.

  • Gozer the Gozarian||

    I do not claim to have a sense of humor, as humor is for the peasants.

  • Free Society||

    Even if there are no additional legal repercussions for Clinton, the very existance of these deleted Benghazi emails could hurt her politically by giving voters another reason to distrust the Democratic nominee.

    At this point, if you've decided that none of the scandals atop crimes up to this point would merit not voting for the bitch, then these 30 additional emails aren't going to sway you.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Don't put a political sign on your yard, or a bumper sticker on your car this election cycle.
    This is a public service announcement.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Sorry FS wrong comment section. =D

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    No, that's always good advice. You are just inviting trouble.

  • BigT||

    Correct. But if the news media gives this the attention it deserves, I.e. continuing negative discussion, it will dampen enthusiasm among the tards and give some wishy-washy bitches an excuse to disavow their vags.

  • creech||

    I know a number of Democrat professional women who can't stand Hillary and were waiting to vote for the Republican this year. But will hold their noses and vote for Hillary because Trump is so god-awful.
    The GOP primary voters blew it for these types of people.

  • Rhywun||

    I think more people will just sit this one out.

  • Possible Bot||

    People say that but they are usually lying. The Republicans put up two milquetoast moderates the last two elections, they became too horrible to vote for too. Truth is they were always going to vote D, they just don't like admitting it and pretending Hillary is good so they'll come up with an alternate reason.

  • Long Woodchippers||

    One of my coworkers is adamant that Trump is a racist. I told him that I didn't believe so, that Trump is instead an equal opportunity asshole who treats most people badly. When I asked him how he knew Trump was a racist, he replied, "I watch CNN and MSNBC!"

  • JayU||

    I'm getting tired of this stuff. If for no other reason than it being clear that nothing is going to come of it.

    Trump joked that he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and get away with it. At this point I genuinely believe Clinton could do just that.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Don't put a political sign on your yard, or a bumper sticker on your car this election cycle.
    This is a public service announcement.

  • GroundTruth||

    She's not fit to hold the office of President, pure and simple.

    (Neither is Trump)

    (Nor Johnson)

    (maybe Weld.... ???????)

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    No.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Weld is a "Republican" from Massachusetts. In other words a diehard Democrat.

  • GroundTruth||

    Fine, I got no issue with that. He was a better option than Silber, but that's like the choice between Mao and Hitler.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Agreed. =D

  • Intraveneous Woodchipper||

    Who was a better totalitarian dictator (i.e. more evil, destructive, etc.), Mao or Hitler or Stalin?

    History nerds, discuss.

  • Quincy.||

    Whatever, who cares?

    Cat video.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yeah, no one has given a shit so far. I mean what's a server? How does that work? We don't understand magic. You might as well be talking to us about Assault rifles. We don't know how they work either but we can be convinced they are evil because they look scary. Where do we get the free stuff. Hillary is going to give everyone money so everyone will be rich because that's how economics work. Oh look, a cat video!

  • AlmightyJB||

    Not to mention where is Benghazi? Is that on Jupiter?

  • Quincy.||

    Second crater to the left on Io.

  • Ceci n'est pas un woodchipper||

    Both servers and assault rifles are dangerous machines that should only be in the hands of the proper authorities, naturally.

  • Quincy.||

    Nobody needs a drive running at 7200 rpm.

  • Mindyourbusiness||

    Nah, they just need "reasonable regulation"!

  • ||

  • Rhywun||

    That is the awesomest cat video I've seen this week month year.

  • ATXChappy||

    "Clinton should face tougher questions over her decision while Secretary of State to push the Obama administration into attacking Libya..."

    Wasn't she getting emails about going into Libya from Blumenthal? And, other emails about business there too? And, wasn't he working @ the Foundation at that time? Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist. But, I think so little of these people at this time, I'm starting to think they where pimping out our military. I've heard they get a lot of donations from that region?

  • ||

    Yes they do get money from the region.

    The more you pay the more likely you get to sit with them in private.

    It's all so sleazy.

    Imagine when she's actually in power. She doesn't care about your country. She cares about Clinton Inc. Or better yet, Hillary Inc.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    " I'm starting to think they where pimping out our military."

    No you are not a conspiracy theorist.

    Using a nations armed forces, by politicians, as a mercenary force is as old as the Roman Empire, and as new as the Revolutionary War. Ask a Hessian is this is true, or not.

  • ||

    Or the German tribes Caesar used in the Gallic wars.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Arminius.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Or, you could say all the Gallic tribes used by Hannibal in the Punic wars Rufus. =D

  • straffinrun||

    Say what you want about Hannibal, but the guy wasn't a traitor.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    =D

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    Fine, he was an elephant abuser.

  • ||

    Hell for most of human history mercenary forces could be found in pretty much any military action, we American certainly aren't above directly or indirectly paying off a indigenous force to achieve our objectives, just ask the Northern Alliance or the Montagnards.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    French General !!!!
    Why should we attack our relatives that have sided with the English ???
    They our your enemies not ours.
    We raid the English, and they raid the French.
    Then we trade the spoils.
    This was the deal, was it not ???

  • BYODB||

    Consider that all American soldiers are well compensated for their killing, then ask yourself what defines someone as a mercenary.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    No disrespect to all the former, and current military, and law enforcement peeps out there, but you are just underpaid mercenaries of the State.

  • Sevo||

    "and law enforcement peeps out there, but you are just underpaid mercenaries of the State."

    Ha and ha:

    "Heather Fong's Pension: $277,656 Per Year"
    http://archives.sfweekly.com/t.....6-per-year

    For life.

  • straffinrun||

    That's disgusting. Couldn't you run to the left (not sure if possible in SF) of any candidate that won't touch those pensions? Combination of corruption and TEAM! results in that I suppose.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Sevo they are guys out there making more than that serving in the private protection industry. =D

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, you might find one. This woman's primary skill was not getting between a camera and Newsom. If someone's making that in a private firm, they are likely worth it.
    You're presumption that gov't pays poorly needs revision.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    "You're presumption that gov't pays poorly needs revision."

    Your presumption that gov't steals poorly needs revision.

    There fixed that for you Sevo. =D

  • Sevo||

    You might reference what I posted.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Don't Drax out on me Sevo !!!!! =D

    http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0036548/quotes

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    *Nothing* goes over my head...! My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it.

  • Sevo||

    Seems quite a bit does...

  • ATXChappy||

    As a former Marine, none taken. It's one thing to do it for the state as directed by the Constitution. It's quite another for a politician to profit from it. And, sell tickets to the event on the side. I mean, this goes waaaaay beyond the issues of the military industrial complex.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    Semper Fi ATX. Not a Marine myself, but I have worked with a hella bunch of you guys over the years.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Wasn't she getting emails about going into Libya from Blumenthal? And, other emails about business there too? And, wasn't he working @ the Foundation at that time?

    Correct.

    It appears that Clinton's office too was awash in Libya rumors. Nearly a third of all the emails she received on the security and political situation in Libya during her tenure as Secretary of State came from Blumenthal, a longtime Clinton associate who was not formally employed by the State Department. He was on the payroll of the Clinton Foundation, bringing in $10,000 a month as a consultant, while pursuing his own business interests in Libya. Blumenthal's emails to Clinton now have been made public in response to a FOIA lawsuit filed by VICE News.

    Clinton's correspondence reveals that Blumenthal regularly sent her intelligence-cable-style updates on Libya that cited anonymous sources who claimed to be close to the country's political elites.

    These briefs were prepared by Blumenthal's business partner and former CIA operative Tyler Drumheller, a consultant with plans to take advantage of economic opportunities in a post-war Libya. Both Drumheller and Blumenthal worked with a Libyan company called Osprey, a start-up that hoped to profit off medical and military contracts in the chaos after the war.
  • John||

    So basically they destroyed an entire country so Sid Blumenthal could get rich. God these people are scum.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    The article makes it clear it wasn't quite that simple, mostly because Blumenthal's information was frequently unreliable and/or ridiculous, but it may have had influenced Hillary.

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    Is this more of your famous sarcasm?

  • Long Woodchippers||

    Wasn't Blumenthal working as an arms dealer who would personally profit by the US getting involved in Libya?

  • straffinrun||

    After months of being praised for his heroic decision not to prosecute Hillary, Comey decides, yep, now we have intent. We recommend prosecution.

    Imagine a world where that would happen.

  • ant1sthenes||

    It sounds like the sort of world where Prince and David Bowie and Gene Wilder and Alan Rickman are still alive.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    It's a place where Reason is free of penis developer shaming.

  • John||

    Its a world where my wife brings home a stray 20 year old Czech model to share our lives with.

  • tarran||

    You do realize that strays generally carry a whole bunch of parasites, worms and infectious diseases, right?

  • Wasteland Wanderer||


    Its a world where my wife brings home a stray 20 year old Czech model to share our lives with.

    John's wife's Czech model

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    It sounds like a world where the labor theory of value holds true.

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • John||

    Don't worry. We will have reason memory hole this post and make sure your family knows you really love Creed and Nickelback.

  • Krabappel||

    You're a monster.

  • Jimmy Free Trade Pirate||

    =D

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    I read that in the voice of the gingerbread man from Shrek.

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    Condolences to your loved ones.

  • GILMORE™||

    my favorite song - Akinyele's Put It In Your Mouth

    smdh

    I don't think i've ever even *seen* a copy of "Vagina Diner" in 20+ years of digging through boxes of records.

    Ebay says... Lol, people want $100 for the vinyl. Of course it wont even get bids. But you'd think it would have been repressed by now based on the "All tracks produced by Large Professor" alone. There's probably a good story about why that shit was never promoted. I will make the wild guess that he probably smoked crack.

    or....

    Alternatively = he went into business as a strip-club entrepreneur? (stands at attention, salutes)

  • JoblessBoss||

    I bought a copy from a local record shop in Ohio in 95. Still have it. Not for sale

  • ||

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article.....s-ap-finds

    Gilmore posted this link earlier but I missed commenting. I heard a second hand account of an interview with a Yazidi that survived being massacred by playing dead. He said after ISIS executed scores of Yazidi men he overheard them saying "We are going to eat well tonight".

    JV Team. They are contained. They are losing. Nothing to worry about.

    I will never forgive the morons that voted Obumbles. May they all burn in hell.

  • straffinrun||

    "We see clear evidence of the intent to destroy the Yazidi people,"

    Nah. I think ISIS was just being careless.

  • GILMORE™||

    When i posted that it wasn't intended to say, "THANKS OBAMA" so much as simply noting that ISIS has left a pretty consistent trail of massacres in their wake.

    they're not the only ones. I noted a month or 2 ago that the shiite militias who the US aided in retaking Fallujah & Ramadi were now believed to have massacred a few hundred locals.

    its sort of par-for-course in the region.

    If there's anything to blame Obama for IMO its constantly pretending to be "managing" this clusterfuck from afar; the problem with his entire FP approach is to try and go through a pantomime of 'being involved' in something (and remain very "engaged" & presidential-looking) while actually avoiding making any decisions at all.

    I have described it as his inability to "Shit-or-Get-Off-The-Pot"; and as many people in business or the military know, often "The Worst Decision"? ="NOT MAKING a decision at all". See = Afghanistan, where we supposedly ''ended combat operations" in 2014, yet have been conducting airstrikes and getting people killed for the last 2 years in the very-back-pages of the papers. And no one in the media asks "Why?".

    What irks me is that this stuff gets shuffled away as so much "new normal", while hundreds of pages of news-media are instead obsessing over Trump's brainfarts. Because its easier and more politically-convenient.

  • John||

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....n-gun.html

    God Chris Brown is a dirtbag. Too bad the women didn't have a gun of her own and blown his head off. That said, what the hell kind of low self esteem fame clinger dates Chris Brown? Honey you need a therapist.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    He has been off probation for less than a year, so I assume his violent ass is going to prison.

  • John||

    He needs to be. They let Phil Spector get away with putting guns to women's heads for years because he was a genius and famous and all. That worked out real well when he wound up murdering that poor women. Anyone who puts guns to people's heads needs to be locked up.

  • dantheserene||

    "You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain."

  • AFSlade||

    +1 Overly Aggressive Vietnam Vet Who Takes Bowling Rules Seriously GODDAMMIT!!!

  • Chipper Morning Wood||

    Hopefully he will get a taste of his own medicine in prison and then get spooned.

  • tarran||

    Nah. He's got lots of friends that will no doubt testify that he did nothing of the sort.

    The duffel bag, on the other hand will likely be used against him on a weapons charge. IIRC he has a domestic violence conviction, meaning he isn't allowed to own a gun...

  • Buddy Bizarre||

    This is a good time to bring up Andy Levy's bit on Chris Brown:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aahWNFojzMU

  • Almanian for President - 2016||

    "Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others" - Florida Man

    Shakin' my damned head already....

  • Krabappel||

  • You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)||

    So did Rubio. With 72%.

    TRUMP TRAIN IS UNSTOPPABLE!

    And Augustus Sol Invictus lost his LP nomination :(

  • Illocust||

    Wait, isn't that obstruction of justice? Deleting emails you were ordered to turn over sure sounds like obstruction of justice.

  • DOOMco||

    Well, yeah, if you do it.

  • Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe||

    All I know about this story is that it's resting down on the bottom of Google's news page. So, unfortunately it'll probably be one more Clinton story that just slides off the radar.

  • Illocust||

    Hasn't hit NYT or Slate yet, so unless it gets picked up tomorrow morning I think you're right.

  • Sevo||

    According to BING, this date stamp:
    SJ Mercury News
    Business Insider
    WSJ
    Breitbart
    Townhall
    The Hill
    CNN
    Washington Examiner
    No mention of any vid reports

  • Rich||

    These newly discovered Benghazi emails ... could raise further questions about whether she fully cooperated with an investigation into the attack that killed four American diplomats

    There's no sugarcoating it!

  • straffinrun||

    Cash is the problem.

    The tax and crime angle is reason enough to shred the world's mountains of paper currency. There is, however, a very different and perhaps surprising rationale, having to do with the ability of central banks to deal with financial crises and deep recessions. Why? Because for all the polemical debate surrounding fiscal policy, monetary policy remains much the preferred first line of defense in dealing with recessions.
  • GILMORE™||

  • Sevo||

    Yep, for the chillunz!
    Sorry, this is the same 'if you haven't done anything wrong' appeal common to all statists.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||


    Sólo Trump podría ir a México

    Donald Trump is jetting to Mexico City on Wednesday for a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, just hours before he delivers a high-stakes speech in Arizona to clarify his views on immigration policy, according to people in the United States and Mexico familiar with the discussions.

    Peña Nieto last Friday invited both Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton to visit Mexico, his office said in a statement provided to The Washington Post on Tuesday night.

    Trump, sensing an opportunity, decided over the weekend to accept the invitation and push for a visit this week, according to the people familiar with the discussions.

    Wait til he tries the taco bowls down there.

  • Sevo||

    OT:

    "Bill on rape prosecution among those heading to Gov. Brown"
    [...]
    " With just one day remaining before the Legislature wraps up for the year, lawmakers sent Gov. Jerry Brown bills that would erase the statute of limitations on rapes,..."
    http://www.sfgate.com/politics.....194134.php

    You might make a case whereby rape is as serious as murder, and thereby draw the equivalence, but if "rape" is a kid 18 years and one day old, and her willing partner is 17 years and 364 days old, it becomes problematic.
    And since it is a 'feel good' law from a female senator who already has her re-election committee in place ( http://www.connieleyva.com/ ), I'm guessing those sorts of nuances are not considered anywhere in it.

  • Agile Cyborg||

    Evening toast is a fucking dry, crunchy, crackling elixir... a melody of toothsome tones ground delightfully into swinging tongue-dabbing ribbons by the human jaw beneath satisfied pupils staring entranced at the empty wall of the moon while this loaf-banging evening toast cuddles the taste buds of throat suns and belly rainbows.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "It's too soon to know whether the content of those 30 emails (or any others) will bolster a potential perjury case against Clinton."

    Yeah, they'll launch a perjury case against Hillary just as soon as they bring in Lois Lerner for contempt.

    "Testifying in June 2015, the IRS Deputy Inspector General Timothy P. Camus said that 424 back-up tapes, most likely to have contained the missing emails, were erased in March 2014—a month after the IRS said it realized it was missing some of Lerner's emails because of a hard-drive crash, and although the emails were then under subpoena from the Oversight Committee."

    ----Lois Lerner wiki

    http://tinyurl.com/gmfcrmp

    That was about Lois Lerner.

    Sounds like it might have been about Hillary, doesn't it?

  • Sevo||

    "Hillary Clinton's Deleted Emails Were Individually Reviewed After All, Spokesman Says "
    [...]
    " How exactly did Hillary Clinton's team decide which of her emails should be saved and which ones should be deleted?
    Three days after Time Magazine initially reported on Team Clinton's review process to determine which of her emails were work-related and which were personal, the former secretary of state's people are now saying the examination did include opening and reading each email."
    ABC, 3/15/15 (ABC fails linking)

  • Sevo||

    BTW, in another BBS, the apologists are now discounting ABC, since, as we all know, they are part of the VRWC!

  • Ken Shultz||

    Why is it appropriate for Hillary or her legal team to determine which are work related and which are personal?

    Weren't they all subpoenaed?

    To me, that's like her deciding through an ethics agreement with Obama that it's okay to accept money from foreign governments while Secretary of State.

    Why is that okay?

    Because Hillary says so? Because Obama says so?

    Since when do people under investigation decide these things? Are we a nation of laws or aren't we?

    I'm imagining someone subject to an embezzlement investigation saying, "Well, I decided not to send all my financial records--because some of them were personal instead of business related".

    Isn't that ridiculous?

  • Sevo||

    "Why is it appropriate for Hillary or her legal team to determine which are work related and which are personal?"

    I agree, but that bell's been rung; the DoJ gave her a pass on that in 2015, regardless of the blatant illegality of allowing the subject of an investigation to decide what constitutes evidence.
    But NOW, even given that pass, it turns out the hag was LYING!
    I don't know how thick the layer of slime is (see the troll above), but I do know it is not infinitely thick. Nixon was 'retired' by a slow drip.

  • BigT||

    "Why is it appropriate for Hillary or her legal team to determine which are work related and which are personal?"

    The answer to all your questions is that Diogenes has come up empty in the DNC.

  • ThomasD||

    The answer to that question is protected by accomplish-criminal privilege.

  • ThomasD||

    accomplice-criminal privilege

  • Ken Shultz||

    It is woefully naive to expect the government to go after the person who may be their boss three months from now. Add the fact that the government's current boss is watching Hillary's back, and you can fugget about it.

    They might go after Hillary if she loses, but never before then.

    It's just childish to think bureaucrats will risk anything or undermine their own authority by going after their own crooked boss. The people who run these bureaucracies are the ones who covered up for Hillary's messes. Why would they incriminate themselves or each other?

    If the American people are so stupid, so easily distracted, so mindless, so morally bankrupt, and so pathetic that they vote an obvious criminal into the White House, then no one is going to save them.

    The observation that no one can save us from our own stupidity may be the beginning of all libertarianism.

  • CZmacure||

    The observation that no one can save us from our own stupidity may be the beginning of all libertarianism.


    You know who else hoped against hope for a Libertarian Moment?

  • Krabappel||

    Apple letter disputing EU Commission that they owe billions in back taxes.

    The Commission's move is unprecedented and it has serious, wide-reaching implications. It is effectively proposing to replace Irish tax laws with a view of what the Commission thinks the law should have been. This would strike a devastating blow to the sovereignty of EU member states over their own tax matters, and to the principle of certainty of law in Europe.
  • Sevo||

    "It is effectively proposing to replace Irish tax laws with a view of what the Commission thinks the law should have been. This would strike a devastating blow to the sovereignty of EU member states over their own tax matters, and to the principle of certainty of law in Europe."

    Not only presuming sovereignty over Irish tax law, but doing so post-hoc.
    This would simply make any tax law anywhere in the EU subject to later revision at the pleasure of those then in power.
    Maybe they can do it, but the Brits sure have a real opportunity here, as to the Irish.

  • Ken Shultz||

    People in the UK are suddenly remembering why they voted for Brexit again.

    And the British government should get on the horn with Apple right now:

    "Hey, you guys want a $14.5 billion tax break? We'll give you that right now--and visas for all your employees, too!".

  • Sevo||

    If I were Tim Cook, I'd have more than a couple of people making contact with their bestest and highest buddies in England.

  • Sevo||

    And Switzerland.

  • Swiss Servator||

    Grüezi mitenand!

  • Agammamon||

    They absolutely should not do that. Giving favors out to attract specific businesses is crony capitalism. And when has a government ever successfully backed a winning horse?

    They should simply lower their CTR to be competitive with Ireland's and then let the chips fall where they may.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Governments giving people tax breaks for doing business in their country is like government not throwing people in prison just because they have a job.

    Businesses reject countries, cities, ports, and locations based on their cost inefficiencies all the time, and the tax environment is one part of that.

    Yeah, it's better if the government steals less from everyone equally, and I encourage them all to lower taxes for every business equally. But I don't begrudge some other business for not getting taxed the same way I do anymore than I begrudge someone else for not getting mugged just because I was. Imagine suggesting that the world would be a better place if everyone were raped equally. Doesn't make sense, does it?

    The less money government steals from businesses, the more there is to go to productive use--be it through growth in the business, returns to investors, savings to customers, and consumer spending by way of employee salaries.

    Meanwhile the return on investment on money the government spends is negative. The government just doesn't turn a profit.

    The less money the government steals from companies, the better it is for the economy. It's even better if everyone pays equally low taxes, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If they doubled taxes on everyone, would it be better for the economy so long as everyone were paying the same higher amount?

    The correct answer is no.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Tax breaks to specific companies is an unfair advantage and inhibits competition.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Taxing profits is theft and inhibits competition.

    Being equally unfair to everyone as the definition of fairness is an absurd notion.

    It's like alleviating brutality and racism by the police by wrongfully beating and wrongfully shooting more white people.

    Because some people are able to escape mistreatment is no reason to mistreat everyone equally.

    That's bureaucratic thinking. Stop thinking like a bureaucrat.

  • Agammamon||

    Richard Murphy has said that this "This is a great day for the sovereignty of the EU's nations when it comes to tax. They will now be able to choose their own tax policies . . ."

    http://tinyurl.com/zbmd89q

  • Long Woodchippers||

    He seems to conflate "sovereignty" with being overruled by one's betters.

    "Oh, if I didn't have to deal with that bloody competition, I'd be able to do what I want!"

  • Agammamon||

    Clinton was cleared of any criminal wrongdoing in July by FBI Director James Comey, though he said she was "extremely careless" in handling important government information.

    Wait, what?

    No, no man, she was *not* cleared of criminal wrongdoing - that's *her* 'official interpretation' of Comey's remarks.

    Reading the transcript its pretty clear Comey is dropping the case because he doesn't want to be holding the political hot potato that would be criminally investigating a presidential candidate and so used a *very liberal* interpretation of mens rea to justify dropping the case.

    He didn't 'clear' her of anything, only said that it would be very difficult to prove intent.

  • BigT||

    Rufus' hero.

    http://tinyurl.com/z8kvetj

    Only P Trudeau and Obama have been so featured before. Would someone give them the Hebdo treatment please?

  • Bodica Slayer of Woodchip||

    Hillary Clinton was emailing confidential government information AFTER she left office.

  • joebanana||

    The FBI and DOJ have conspired to obstruct justice, aided and abetted in the commission of a crime, are derelict in their duty, and are accessories after the fact. Who's going to prosecute them?

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