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Giuliani and Trump Blunder Toward the North Korea Summit

American national security is in the hands of fools and incompetents.

Rudy Giuliani, who knows as much about North Korea as he does about growing kumquats, has granted an inside glimpse of U.S. relations with the regime. With a historic summit meeting between Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un scheduled for Tuesday in Singapore, Giuliani wants the American people to know exactly how it came about.

Last month, Trump responded to unwelcome statements from North Korea by abruptly canceling the summit. This decision came because the North Koreans "said they were going to go to nuclear war against us and they were going to defeat us in a nuclear war," Giuliani said at a conference in Israel. "Well, Kim Jong Un got back on his hands and knees and begged for it, which is exactly the position you want to put him in."

It's safe to assume that Giuliani, being Trump's personal lawyer and not his secretary of state, is pristinely devoid of any firsthand knowledge of this matter. His account, in fact, sounds eerily as though it came verbatim from one of Trump's bragfests. But what is known from the public record does not validate the tale.

It was actually the Trump administration that was talking about destroying the North Korean regime. National security adviser John Bolton recommended "the Libya model" for denuclearization. In 2011, as the North Koreans vividly remember, NATO bombed Moammar Gadhafi's forces and he was soon toppled and killed.

In case Kim imagined this remark to be an unfortunate slip of the tongue, Mike Pence underlined it in red. "This will only end like the Libyan model ended if Kim Jong Un doesn't make a deal," he said.

The Pyongyang government, which had candidly expressed its "repugnance" for Bolton, called the vice president "a political dummy" whose comments were "ignorant and stupid."

Trump was not about to tolerate this insult to his most faithful lap dog. "Trump and his aides were infuriated by the statement and wanted to respond forcefully," CNN reported. "The specific and personal targeting of Pence is what irked U.S. officials, three people familiar with the matter said."

Giuliani says the summit was saved only when Kim came crawling back. This claim is not terribly credible, given the regime's long record of threats, defiance and immovability on matters it cares about. And when Trump met at the White House with a high-level North Korean envoy, the president did not give the impression of a tough negotiator.

Reported The New York Times: "Sung-Yoon Lee, a scholar at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University, said Mr. Trump stuffed a variety of 'unnecessary concessions' into a 'goody bag for Kim Jong Un.' Among them were easing up on 'maximum pressure,' agreeing to a longer time frame, validating Mr. Kim as a leader by promising more summit meetings, and signaling that China, Japan and South Korea should ready economic aid."

Even Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell warned Trump, "You have to not want the deal too much." Trump is the guy who vowed that Mexico would pay for a border wall and then, realizing it would never happen, pleaded with the Mexican president to go along with the ruse.

But let's suppose Kim did kowtow to Trump in an attempt to resurrect the summit. Let's suppose Trump's fierce determination left the North Koreans no choice but to capitulate. In that case, the last thing he and his minions should do is do an end-zone dance before a satisfactory deal has even been reached. This is not a football game.

Such trash-talking not only encourages Kim to up his demands at the bargaining table to prove he's no wimp but also discourages any regime from making concessions to the U.S.—or even negotiating with this administration, which feels free to disclose or even invent facts about behind-the-scenes bartering.

Anytime you interact with Trump in private, you have to worry that he will publicly misrepresent what happened as part of his ceaseless quest for self-glorification. You have to assume his cronies will rush out to portray you as a pathetic loser.

In a normal administration, functioning with a modicum of discipline and direction, the president's personal attorney would not be braying on national TV about critical matters of foreign policy, and the president would not be letting him. But today, our security and survival are in the hands of fools, knaves, and incompetents.

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  • buybuydandavis||

    "War with North Korea forever!"

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Oh we know.
    You will defend any deal that Trump makes with Kim, even if it's Munich Part 2.
    But if Obama were to make the same deal with, say, Iran, you will criticize it to death.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    And you're hoping and praying that the summit fails.

  • mtrueman||

    "And you're hoping and praying that the summit fails."

    What would make the summit a success? You may be in for a disappointment if you think that something more stringent than Obama's hated arrangement with Iran can be worked out.

  • mtrueman||

    "What would make the summit a success?"

    Nobody's come up with an answer. So here's mine. A formal end to the war on the Korean peninsula. Any outcome judged to be a success will pretty much certainly include the formal conclusion of the war, it's the low hanging fruit, won't cost much, something that the Koreans will both agree with, reflects well on Trump etc. Anything less will be a fizzling let down and deemed a failed summit. Or maybe there's somewhere in between.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    The summit was a success from the moment that Trump backed away from it because of Lil' Kim's bellicose blather, and then allowd it to go forward when the North Korean ninny backed down. For decades whatever nut was running North Korea has been allowed to say pretty much whatever idiocy struck him at the moment withou fear of consequences by politicians and diplomats too enamored of the diplomatic process to be willing to call it off. Trump served notice that civilized behavior, at least in public, is a prerequisite of diplomacy. If he sticks to that, and North Korea learns the lesson, so much the better. But simply doing it ONCE was worthwhile.

    Anything that emerges from the actual jaw-jaw is gravy. Sure, an equitable reunion of the Koreas would be nice. It would also constitute a miracle, and they tend to be thin on the ground.

  • mtrueman||

    I'm not sure I'm following you. You're saying that whatever results from the summit it will be a success because Trump backed away from the summit and then reversed himself and decided to go on with it. It seems a very low bar for success, and I think the Koreans are hoping for more.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    *cough* Iran *cough*

  • mtrueman||

    cough Libya cough

  • Presskh||

    Obama and Hillary wouldn't be making a deal if they weren't getting some sort of illegal kickback lining their pockets.

  • hello.||

    Kind of like how you continue defend to Obama's disastrous giveaway to Iran while shitting your pants that Trump is going to a summit?

    I know you're all of about 16, but your retarded fuckbrained parents said the same shit about Reagan when he single-handedly ended the fucking cold war.

  • mtrueman||

    The cold war is not over. It lives on in the form of all the concessions and sweetheart deals that the US granted allies like Canada, Japan and Europe.

    "Obama's disastrous giveaway"

    How was the Iran deal a disaster? I never heard corporate America complaining about it and their voice has to amount to something, doesn't it? I bet the good people at Boeing were eager to re-establish business ties with Iran.

  • rferris||

    WHAT A INANE COMMENT.

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    Chemjeff is not a radical individual, but part of the clone corps. He can only speak others thoughts.

    Do you have any understanding of the Iran deal???

    How can you compare something you seem to know nothing about with something that has not happened yet and not be a zealot /ideal agog unworthy of commenting?

  • rferris||

    WHAT A INANE COMMENT.

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    Chemjeff is not a radical individual, but part of the clone corps. He can only speak others thoughts.

    Do you have any understanding of the Iran deal???

    How can you compare something you seem to know nothing about with something that has not happened yet and not be a zealot /ideal agog unworthy of commenting?

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  • DajjaI||

    The summit will end with TrumpKim getting on worldwide TV demanding a mill - er, billion dollars. (Who will play Dr Evil and Mini-me is anyone's guess.) Anyone who thinks Trump is there to get them to denuclearize is off their meds. First of all he feels betrayed by everyone in America, and we would still hate him even if he achieved peace, so he doesn't mind this leverage over us. And even if he wanted them to denuke, they are in far too good a bargaining position, not to mention China and Russia are on their side and enjoy watching Trump twist in the wind. The NK leadership has absolutely no interest in becoming a thriving economy. What motivates them is autocracy and oppression. The only solution is for elderly South Koreans to strip naked and cross the border and get lots of good footage as they are shot. This would evoke sympathy but the problem is that SK is now feeling good about NK and has no desire to undermine them. So then the only solution is for the US to crawl to them on our hands and knees and beg not to be nuked. Trump can offer them a small city that they can plunder at will, like say Pittsburgh. Might buy us some time to figure out what to do. Hopefully they feel sorry for us because of #metoo and stuff like that so they take it easy on us.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    The NK leadership has absolutely no interest in becoming a thriving economy.

    ...except, they've become a thriving economy. Their standard of living has been growing at a faster rate than most countries in the world. I mean, it's not that appalling considering that the country was absolutely decimated 50 years ago. But the notion that economic prosperity isn't one of their main goals is naive and part of the Marvel good vs. evil portrayal by western media.

  • Sevo||

    "...except, they've become a thriving economy."
    Sarc or stupidity?

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Oh man, I could have predicted someone would cherry pick that line and leave the very next one out. Context, my good man, context. They have grown from the rubble (literally) to a blossoming infrastructure (I know you're going to also criticize the word "blossoming" here, but it's a technically accurate one to describe the transformation). As I said in my third sentence, it was hard to go anywhere but up, but they've exceeded many expectations.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    Yes, how dare he take your description of "thriving" out of context.

  • Sevo||

    "They have grown from the rubble (literally) to a blossoming infrastructure (I know you're going to also criticize the word "blossoming" here, but it's a technically accurate one to describe the transformation)."

    Bull
    .
    .
    .
    shit.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Fine. They're still huts and dirt. All the pictures must be doctored, and all the reports must be falsified.

  • Sevo||

    "...Anyone who thinks Trump is there to get them to denuclearize is off their meds. First of all he feels betrayed by everyone in America, and we would still hate him even if he achieved peace, so he doesn't mind this leverage over us...."

    Glad to know we have insight into Trumps thoughts. Or not.
    I suspect your TDS needs better meds.

  • gaoxiaen||

    Fuck that. Give them Detroit.

  • mtrueman||

    I feel your pain.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Steve Chapman = "ideological diversity" at Reason. He's way off base on pretty much everything, but he's here.

  • JoeBlow123||

    "It was actually the Trump administration that was talking about destroying the North Korean regime. National security adviser John Bolton recommended "the Libya model" for denuclearization."

    This line of reasoning was from North Korea, I do not know why anyone takes them at face value. Their outburst may have always been planned and the Bolton line just some excuse for them to look like the reasonable guys.

    Who knows. It is honestly pointless to peer into the inner workings of their state or believe anything they say about anything, they are the masters of smoke and mirrors and obfuscation.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    It is honestly pointless to peer into the inner workings of their state

    I think the opposite is true. That's why so many people have gone to great lengths to peer into the inner workings of their state. And those people have been pretty successful at doing so in recent years. I don't think we can truly appreciate what's going on over there by just paying attention to the unsubstantiated sensationalist western media tagline.

  • Sevo||

    "...And those people have been pretty successful at doing so in recent years...."

    OK, stupidity. You've convinced me.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Huh? You haven't read the MANY recent articles on the topic? AJ has published quite a few, culminating in a recent documentary. There have also been some pretty interesting analyses from scholars on the topic who have examined state media inconsistencies, insights, and defector stories.

    We live in the fucking internet age. There's no iron curtain.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Also -- just because I'm in a prediction kind of mood -- you're going to respond to my comment by asserting a strawman about how my commentary somehow is equivalent to ADVOCACY for his tactics. And then you're going to comment on the veracity of anything AJ writes because, you know, muslims. Then you're going to defend western media because they're only fake news when it comes to domestic politics. And then you're going to call me a moron, idiot, or some variant.

    And you won't once address the content of what I said. Ad hominem is your game. Go for it.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    "We live in the fucking internet age. There's no iron curtain."

    That's a special grade of stupid and a complete ignorance of the term.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    From Wikipedia: "The term symbolizes the efforts by the Soviet Union to block itself and its satellite states from open contact with the West and its allied states."

    I was using it as a metaphor. HTH

  • Sevo||

    "Huh? You haven't read the MANY recent articles on the topic?"

    And I see all those cites; how did I miss them before? Cites or STFU.
    Oh, and before you spout more idiotic propaganda, I'd suggest you start with something like "North Korea - on the inside, looking in", Dualta Roughneen, 2014. You can gripe about some of the defector's stories, but she has no ax to grind.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Propaganda? Yeah, I invested in a N Korean travel agency and I'm trying to drum up business.

    Try, for once, to look at something in an intellectually honest manner instead of trying to play out your Marvel movies in real life.

  • Sevo||

    "Huh? You haven't read the MANY recent articles on the topic?"
    Still waiting for those cites, pea-brain.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Jesus. You're a sociopath.

  • JoeBlow123||

    "That's why so many people have gone to great lengths to peer into the inner workings of their state."

    Oh yeah you mean like the time intelligence services and academics predicted North Korea was years away from a ballistic missile that can strike the United States? Mmm hmm.

  • Shirley Knott||

    Um, when have our security and survival been in the hands of anyone other than fools, knaves, and incompetents?

  • Inigo Montoya||

    Exactly.

  • BigT||

    1790?

  • Ken Shultz||

    Clinton keeping us out of Rwanda wasn't entirely irrational.

    Bush Sr. refused to depose Saddam Hussein precisely to avoid all the negative consequences of deposing him that happened once he was deposed.

    During the cold war.Reagan deployed Pershing missiles to western Europe, putting substantial pressure on the Russians. When grass roots opposition arose in Europe, he went to Europe and effectively campaigned for the European leaders who supported him. They won reelection.

    Reagan turned his back on Gorbachev at Reykjavik, much to the chagrin of everyone--including some of his most trusted advisers. He subsequently embraced Gorbachev, precisely at the right time, much to the chagrin of the advisers who had supported his decision at Reykjavik.

    Trump was willing to collaborate with Putin on ISIS in Syria like FDR was willing to collaborate with Stalin on defeating the Nazis. Doing that was entirely rational and came at great political expense for Trump--to the benefit of U.S. security.

    "Um, when have our security and survival been in the hands of anyone other than fools, knaves, and incompetents?"

    The correct answer to your question is that we had 16 years of irrational foreign policy before Trump.

  • Shirley Knott||

    I think you're off by at least an order of magnitude. But almost certainly more.
    Even pre-Lincoln, fools, knaves, and incompetents we're running amok in the halls of power.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Within the context of foreign policy . . .

    We didn't avoid getting knee deep in Rwanda and Congo by accident.

    Bush Sr. didn't avoid toppling Saddam Hussein by accident.

    We didn't win the Cold War the way we did (without a nuclear ICBM fired) by accident.

    The fact is that some of those fools did some really important things right. After 16 years of Bush the Lesser and Obama, that can be hard to remember.

  • Shirley Knott||

    Stopped clock. It is no accident that they are right twice a day (for the right sort of clock, of course).

    Fools, knaves, and incompetents get the occasional thing right. They are still fools, knaves, and incompetents.

  • Don't look at me.||

    They are ALL fools. For them, the go to solution is to kill the other guy. Why do you think earth has so many weapons and armies? Do you think that comes from high level superhuman thinking?

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    I take issue with the positive spin you put on all of those manipulations. I think you listed four disasters for the United States, and you certainly didn't provide any evidence whatsoever that any of that was "to the benefit of US security". Perhaps you meant it was to the benefit of US *interests*, although that's obviously arguable as well.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    So the disarmament achieved by Reagan was a disaster for the US. Leaving a weakened Iraq as a check on Iranian expansion was a disaster.

    Someone is spinning here but it's not Ken.

    Prediction: convoluted illogic to follow involving mostly purity tests and semantic game playing.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    1) A weakened Iraq is the consequence of the very same guy Ken was praising going in and fucking things up. You can't go out on the street, beat the shit out of someone, and then tend their wounds and ask to be called a hero.
    2) Reagan's disarmament was the end result of 40 years of endless proxy war, interventionism, and an arms race.
    3) His commentary on Putin/ISIS and Stalin/Nazism is woefully oversimplified, and neither of those things turned out well in the end. They achieved (sort of) the immediate objective while creating new and potentially more grave dangers.

  • Robert||

    For much longer than 16 yrs., the State Dept.'s mostly been an outpost of the British Foreign Office. Now they're apparently not.

  • gaoxiaen||

    50,000 BC.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Well, Kim Jong Un got back on his hands and knees and begged for it, which is exactly the position you want to put him in."

    That was almost certainly a test balloon.

    Giuliani's statement seemed practically designed to provoke a typically hyperactive response from the North Koreans--if it was said on purpose precisely to test the depth of North Korea's commitment to the talks, that would make perfect sense.

    North Korea said and did nothing substantial in response to that statement. Test balloon passed.

  • BigT||

    You're giving Giuliani too much credit.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Being unwilling to move forward with a summit unless the North Koreans are serious in their negotiations--to the point that they can at least restrain themselves when they would usually go off makes a ton of sense.

    We do this in commercial real estate all the time. It's hard to tell how serious a buyer is. When you have multiple offers, you don't just accept the highest number. What difference does it make if one offer is higher--if he's just trying you up during due diligence only to threaten to leave you at the alter on your wedding day if you don't chop off a big chunk of your asking price come closing--citing this problem, that problem, and the other problem?

    Much better to bring those problems to their attention yourself--see how they react to bad news. That way you can pick a buyer based on the depth of their commitment rather than some bullshit offering price.

    Just like with Kim, it's the closing price that matters. If Kim isn't serious enough to weather some public statements from Giuliani, then why should Trump stick his neck out?

    P.S.Trump's blow up at Trudeau yesterday was all about the same thing. Trudeau did exactly what Trump is afraid Kim might do (make him stick his neck out only to make a fool f him once the summit is over), so Trump had to take Trudeau out behind the woodshed.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    This is a very good point. And this could have explained the rationale behind Pence's and Bolton's comments. But I have to agree with BigT -- frickin' Giuliani? If this was strategic on his part, why did he fail so miserably with his other recent comments? There's no evidence that he has significant insight or even has any motivation to be strategic in support of the state.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    As oppposed to Ben Rhodes. Or we could move beyond the cult of personality amd focus on the actions. Nah, that's crazy talk.

  • Nardz||

    It's certainly possible that Giuliani going full-retard lately was actually planned...
    I mean, what did he say that actually hurts Trump?
    Stormy and the self-pardon talk just makes the media look ridiculous and ties them in knots. It makes Mueller witch hunt look even more pointless. Any "damage" done to Trump is only with those who hate him and have TDS already.
    And what have such "distractions" held Trump up from doing? Not a damn thing.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    What would be the motive for full-retard?

  • mtrueman||

    "North Korea said and did nothing substantial in response to that statement. Test balloon passed."

    Same cannot be said of Bolton's musings on Libya. No trips to Singapore for him.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    An actual picture of Trump and Kim shaking hands might just break the internet.

  • Rhywun||

    I'd rather see that than Kim Kardashian's keister again.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Giuliani and Trump Blunder Toward the North Korea Summit
    American national security is in the hands of fools and incompetents.

    Hopefully peace fails, right Chapman?

  • Rhywun||

    In a normal administration, functioning with a modicum of discipline and direction

    I.e. one that lets the rest of the world walk all over us, hoodwink us into shipping them pallets of cash, and cajole us into joining economy-destroying "treaties"? That kind of administration?

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    You nailed exactly what Steve Chapwoman and the rest of the mentally ill, suicidal left want.

  • hello.||

    These are the exact same people who said the exact same shit about Reagan every step of the way toward successfully toppling the iron curtain.

  • damikesc||

    American national security is in the hands of fools and incompetents.

    Nah. Obama isn't in office any more.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    Let's suppose Trump's fierce determination left the North Koreans no choice but to capitulate. In that case, the last thing he and his minions should do is do an end-zone dance before a satisfactory deal has even been reached. This is not a football game. Such trash-talking not only encourages Kim to up his demands at the bargaining table to prove he's no wimp...

    Even you are operating under the "crazy maniac Kim Jong Un!" fallacy. He's as strategic and calculated as any other world leader. Possibly even more so. He's not going to give up everything he's earned just because he's offended by Trump's childish displays -- that is, unless he thinks that the offense is a precursor to getting screwed in a deal. Trump needs to be cool and reasoned not because he's at risk of ruining the deal, but rather because when Trump gets riled up bad decisions get made.

  • Shirley Knott||

    "Earned"
    I don't think that word means what you think it means.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    If "earned" is incorrect, then please explain how North Korea got into a situation which is EXACTLY what they have wanted for decades. Luck? Accident? Royal decree?

    Oh right. He's a madman and anything positive that happens to that country on the world stage must be luck. None of it can have anything to do with their very clear, obvious, and consistent strategy.

  • Sevo||

    "If "earned" is incorrect, then please explain how North Korea got into a situation which is EXACTLY what they have wanted for decades. Luck? Accident? Royal decree?"

    He tried starving his population to death and that didn't work, so now he'll try something else.
    You truly are an imbecile.

  • JunkScienceIsJunk||

    "...now he'll try something else."

    Thanks for conceding the point.

  • Sevo||

    "Thanks for conceding the point."

    Oh, you're more than welcome; thanks for proving you're an idiot.

  • NotAnotherSkippy||

    So they wanted their major power sponsor so pissed off that they started to comply with oil sanctions? Good to know the norks haf sich a brilliant strategy all along.

  • Nardz||

    They followed the blueprint laid out by BO's Iran "deal" - completely logical on NK's part. Trump came along and quickly established that blueprint was no longer the plan, so once they tested it they realized they needed to change course. Un is a godking of a totalitarian state, not stupid. Every move he's made to this point makes sense.
    To the extent China is pissed, it's because they're losing control of both NK and the US. Un took out the only replacements China could tap, and the US isn't rolling over. A deal makes sense on all sides now, largely because Trump, Un, and Xi are behaving like actual statesmen dealing with reality and various strategic interests, rather than empty suits merely playing at leadership who are concerned about optics and the boys club instead of lasting results.

  • Rockabilly||

    As the Talking Heads once sang.

    Same as it ever was...

  • Ron||

    by proclaiming "Trump blunders" you take away any potential success as a blunder and not because of his actions even though he is the first president to meet with a NK leader. Even if nothing comes of the meetings he has done more than others.

  • mtrueman||

    South Korea's president Moon met Chairman Kim last month at Panmunjom. Didn't CNN tell you?

  • Ron||

    I know that, do you think those talks weren't started by Trumps actions

  • mtrueman||

    I think the talks started because the Koreans had reason to believe that Trump wouldn't interfere with them, as for example Bush Jr. did when he put an end to the 'sunshine policy.'

  • Ron||

    So it was because of Trump then.

  • mtrueman||

    Of course if Trump wasn't willing to appease North Korea's long standing demands these talks be taking place. Good for him. I hope he holds as much sway with the US congress as he does with Korea's leaders.

  • Jerryskids||

    Just when Obama, Hillary and Kerry had the Norks right where we wanted them and were getting ready to close the deal for peace in our time, along comes Dumb Donald and fucks everything up. Now instead of shipping them a pallet of cash in return for a promise to behave, as all reasonable people know is the reasonable thing to do, we have no idea what might happen. This is certainly good for the punditry biz as apocalyptic speculation runs rampant and nobody can say there's any proof the apocalypse won't come to pass, but aside from the sheer entertainment value of seeing the professional pants-shitters mime shitting their pants for the hundredth time there's really no benefit to be had in trying to guess what happens next.

    Except for preparing for the unexpected shock of seeing North Korea agreeing to a total de-nuclearization, because that's a dead giveaway that the Norks have never actually had any nuclear material other than what their Chinese puppetmasters were secretly controlling.

  • mtrueman||

    "what their Chinese puppetmasters were secretly controlling"

    It's no secret now that you've told us.

  • Sevo||

    BTW, NK is so 'thriving' and 'blossoming' that they didn't trust the reliability of Kim's dictatorial jet to get him to Singapore.
    The got an Air China 747 to take him there; one of those up-to-date western aircraft...

    "Unusual flights from Pyongyang raise questions about Kim's route to Singapore"
    https://www.nknews.org/2018/06/
    unusual-flights-from-pyongyang-raise
    -questions-about-kims-route-to-singapore

  • mtrueman||

    "one of those up-to-date western aircraft..."

    Probably listening to up-to-date western music, like the Beatles, who were still alive and together when the 747 made its debut.

  • hello.||

    Obviously Air China is running the same 747s they purchased in 1970.

    You're plenty fucking braindead enough when you're paying attention, don't be deliberately obtuse.

  • Sevo||

    "...don't be deliberately obtuse."

    Pretty sure it's not be design; he's too fucking stupid to do that.

  • mtrueman||

    Deliberate obtuseness is the last thing you should expect from an internet person like myself.

  • Sevo||

    You misspelled "idiocy".

  • mtrueman||

    Delibertry.

  • ||

    "Rudy Giuliani, who knows as much about North Korea as he does about growing kumquats, has granted an inside glimpse of U.S. relations with the regime."

    Why start with this sentence? Just lay out the facts of your argument rather than throw in stupid digs and zingers and let your reader decide what to make of your arguments.

    The Jon Stewart-funny guy political analyst shtick has infected politics in a divisive way that has dumbed down discussion and discourse.

  • MikeP2||

    You're assuming Mr. Chapman has the ability to lay out the facts of his argument.

  • ||

    True. Not many writers can lay out arguments anymore, especially when Trump is involved.

  • StackOfCoins||

    fools, knaves

    ... jackanapes!

  • rferris||

    What a crappy article. I can get this drivel from any hard left wing source, I expect better from Reason!
    Nothing Libertarian here, just Trump bashing.
    DISAPPOINTING!!!!
    Yes, I guess in the past we were represented by genius politicians, that why things are so groovy now.
    THIS PIECE IS Below what I hope are the standards for reason.......................BAD MAGAZINE!

  • Harvard||

    Wish Trump would stop. I'm so tired of winning I can't get any sleep. If I have to sit one more night and read libs like Chapman and Gillespie wank about Trump, as they did from the time his candidacy was announced, only to take it in the shorts from election eve until now, I shall succumb. When will the left understand this guy OWNS 'em? They espouse education, then rally around when a high school drop out from Hollywood rants at "Fuck Trump", referring to a guy suitably educated. They crave fame, over any treasure. Who's more famous than Trump? They covet money and cheer when millionaires like Maher mock Trump, a guy whose fortunes total in the billions and who could buy and sell that shit stain a thousand times over. This leftist derangement often leaves me screaming with glee each night watching the tube. On off nights I simply punch up Reason and the laughter starts anew. A suggestion for the Reason lefties: File your Trump articles and wait a month. Submit only after the next jobs report. This guy might blow up at any minute, but at the rate he's going an argument might be made he's the most successful President.....ever. You might want to stfu and see what happens.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    "American national security is in the hands of fools and incompetents."

    This is neither news nor new. It has been generally true since at least the administration of that prime progressive stinker, Woodrow Wilson.

    Trump may be better or worse than the average for that period; time will tell. He can hardly be worst than the collection of twerps and thieves that characterised the Obama administration.

  • Whorton||

    Prey tell, what would the foreign diplomatic expert Chapman recommend here after Hillary and her Libya blunder? The authors blatant hatred of Trump is the only thing on record in this article.

    It goes without stating, the Author is masquerading as a reporter. He was not elected, he did not even run. He offers nothing of import in this article, however, the management of Reason are giving me more reasons NOT to renew my print subscription every day.

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