Lawmakers in Florida and Ohio Consider Abolishing Property Taxes
People don't like property taxes—but they are also not eager to cut the government services they fund.
In a 1995 episode of The Simpsons, teachers at the dilapidated Springfield Elementary School make an impassioned plea for more school funding at a PTA meeting, telling parents, "It's for your children's future." Principal Skinner easily changes their minds by simply rubbing his fingers together. "Oh yeah, the taxes, the finger thing means the taxes," exclaim the disgruntled parents, who then reject any funding that requires a tax increase.
There are several parallels between that episode and the real-life property tax revolts sweeping Florida and Ohio. In both states, spiking property values have led to rising property taxes and growing anti-tax sentiment among homeowners. Lawmakers and activists are responding with proposals to cap, cut, or even eliminate property taxes altogether.
Florida lawmakers have unveiled not one, not two, but seven different proposed constitutional amendments that would pare back property taxes. The two most far-reaching would eliminate nonschool homestead property taxes on owner-occupied primary residences. One would go into effect immediately, while the other would be phased in over 10 years.
In Ohio, petitioners are gathering signatures for a constitutional amendment that would eliminate all taxes on real property.
Taxation is theft, the libertarian adage goes. Therefore, one could be forgiven for giving unqualified support for these efforts to eliminate property taxes. Unfortunately, both Ohio and Florida's property tax critics have the same contradictory attitude toward local government budgets as the fictional Springfield parents. They don't like property taxes but they are also not eager to cut the government services they fund.
When The Columbus Dispatch interviewed voters headed to the polls in November 2025, almost all said they liked the idea of property tax abolition but didn't want to see the quality of local services degrade.
None of Florida's proposed property tax reforms include any plan to offset the lost revenue. The two measures that would eliminate homestead property taxes also include clauses forbidding local governments from cutting law enforcement funding.
The Ohio nonprofit Citizens for Property Tax Reform notably does not call for offsetting spending cuts. Instead, it suggests increases to sales taxes and local school district income taxes.
Neither state is likely to adopt the novel revenue solution Springfield Elementary settles on: charging the prison system to stash prisoners in spare coatrooms.
Making up for the revenue lost from property tax cuts would be a tall order. The Tax Foundation estimates that Florida's combined local and state average sales tax rate would have to rise from 7 percent to 15 percent in order to make up for lost property tax revenues. In Ohio, that rate would have to rise from 4.2 percent to 12.6 percent.
Property taxes pay for nearly 30 percent of local government services in both Ohio and Florida. States trying to replace every dollar of property tax revenue with sales or income tax revenue would ultimately reduce overall economic efficiency as well.
Milton Friedman called the property tax (and particularly the tax on the value of unimproved land) the "least bad tax" because it discouraged less economic activity than sales and income taxes.
Property taxes are also less distortionary. People and firms can move to places where they are less heavily taxed to avoid local sales and income taxes. Real estate, in contrast, generally has to stay put.
There's a political reason to prefer property taxes, too.
In most states, property taxes are levied by local governments on local residents to pay for local services. Ohio's localities depend on property taxes for 65 percent of their revenues. Some 73 percent of Florida counties' tax revenues come from property taxes.
That creates a measure of democratic accountability. People can discern a pretty clear relationship between the costs and benefits of their local government and vote accordingly.
For the same reason, property taxes are often more akin to a user fee paid by the consumers of government services for the benefits they receive than a true tax.
Homeowners' associations notably raise funds via their own private property fees.
This is not to say that property tax cuts are a bad idea. Far from it. But the piper—and the school district—need to be paid somehow.
If property tax cuts are financed by spending cuts and service privatization, that's good. But Florida and Ohio's plans to simply shift the tax burden from property owners to wage earners or consumers would be cartoonishly inefficient.
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There is no such thing as freedom as long as income or property tax exists.
But sales taxes and tariffs are pro-freedom?
All taxes are theft.
Tariff-taxes are pro-freedom in the minds of hateful xenophobic troglodytes, in that they supposedly punishes the un-AmeriKKKans! Shit allows us the FREEDOM to blame foreign workers ass being the scapegoats that they SOOOO thoroughly deserve to be! Jesus Christ and Gandhi and MLK Jr. (and Mother Teresa and Albert Schweitzer too) all HATED the foreign workers and the illegal sub-humans, so we should hate them, too!
Income tax, the government owns your labor. Property tax the government owns your property.
With sales tax and terrifs you are taxed based on consumption.
That's a lawyer's quibble. They're still taking your property. Whether they take your money before or after you spend it, they're still taking your money without your permission.
And you often get to pay more than one on the same dollar.
Earn a dollar, pay income tax.
Take what's left, and buy stuff, and pay sales tax.
Own that thing, and pay property tax (forever).
Yes, but since we've largely agreed to disagree on the whole taxation thing (after all, when the most libertarian governor in the solar system signs a law that forwards all public services and welfare to illegal immigrants, that's not going to be cheap) there are some taxes which are more theft-ey and more spy-ey than others. Income tax in particular. The thing that worries me (for Texans) on this, is TX has no income tax which is about as excellent a situation as you can have in this modern tax-ey/theft-ey world. If they eliminate the property tax (perfectly noble goal) that might goose politicians into saying "Hey, what say we make up the revenue gap with an income tax" which is infinitely worse than a property tax. And given that Texas is a major destination for Californians that shit the bed, one can make reasonable predictions given ex-Californians' penchant for looking around the new place they moved to and saying, "All this freedom is great and all, but it sure would be nice if we had ___________, ________, _________, __________ and __________... oh and I really miss _____________, ___________, __________, __________, ___________-________-________, __________ and __________."
Luckily we amended the state constitution a few years ago to bar Austin from ever implementing a state income tax.*
*Ever is probably too optimistic considering the amount of Democrats moving here, but you get the idea.
I moved to Washington in 1989... the politicians have been threatening to implement an income tax since then, and I suspect it was a conversation that had been happening for years before I arrived.
Today's headline:
WA Democrats’ income tax plan must include overhaul of entire code | Editorial
So yeah, they're inching ever closer every day. The wheels of justice may turn slowly, but they do turn.
What that editorial is about is the implementation of an income tax for high earners (only... for now) and how they will (or won't) give relief on the other taxes that already exist: Sales and property. We bay 10.55 percent in Seattle, state average overall is something like ~9.5%. Note that in a bluer-than-blue-found-in-nature-blue city that is the platonic example of "listen to what we say, not what we do"... for a political ideology that keeps harping about how sales taxes are "regressive" they've implemented the highest sales taxes in the country.
The democrats have been dying to get their foot in the door on a state income tax. Once it’s a reality they can wait a little while then start adjusting it downwards. Wishing 15 years it will apply to almost everyone.
Trump should put Seattle and Olympia under martial law and dispose of these Marxists immediately.
It isnt an income tax. It is a labor tax. And even used on non paid labor. - Austin.
I see you too have experience with demspeak and how they try to sneak their noses under the tent.
We could always find our government by collecting tribute from foreign countries.
They're already sending us slaves.
I was thinking they could all pay 10% of GDP.
Homelessness is true freedom . Living on the sidewalk, doing as you please is freedom. No schedule, no man bringing you down.
I own my house and pay $2500/year in taxes.
Then you don't own your home. You rent it from the goverment
The results of liberal "compassion" on the "unhoused."
https://freebeacon.com/america/were-not-criminalizing-the-unhoused-how-a-homeless-encampment-and-drug-dealers-are-destroying-a-local-condominium-complex-and-turning-its-residents-lives-upside-do/
Gangs, open air drugs and prostitution, and the destruction of nearby private property.
sOCialL jUsTicE!!!
Kind of my point. Yes, I have given up some freedom to live my life in better conditions. I draw the line at HOA agreements. I could move to the wilderness and live on nothing. But I choose not to
And just think, you could live on the other side of the river and pay double, along with higher gas taxes, higher sales taxes, but a flat income tax.
I used to live across the river. Moved back to Iowa 20 years ago. No regrets, though I have to wait in line at the gas station as all the Illinois drivers are crossing the river to avoid Pritzgers gas tax.
FIFY
So long as you have to pay
property taxescoercive rents, you do not own your house.You might want to emigrate to Somalia. No property taxes. No other taxes. No government. Total freedom.
You think there are no taxes in Somalia, lol?
Somalia's tax system includes direct taxes (income, corporate) and indirect taxes (sales, excise), with rates like 30% corporate tax and a 10% sales tax, though collection faces challenges from conflict, with militants like Al-Shabaab also imposing their own levies, complicating compliance for businesses and individuals.
And that's with the massive trade surplus with Minnesota!
Well, you almost did the meme.
Sounds like a real Shangri La. You should go there immediately and spout your stupid ideas to the local warlords. I’m sure you’ll get on famously.
Property taxes are ancient. The archeologists have found tax records from six thousand years ago. Before money was invented less than three thousand years ago they were paid in produce or other goods. William the Conquerer's famous Domesday Book was in part a tax assessment roll. He also wanted to regularize the confiscation all real estate from Saxons and the granting of it to Normans. Most people could own no land because of the feudal system so it mattered little to them.
If you don't like property tax, you might want to learn Chinese. There are no property taxes in the Peoples Republic. Freedom!
You were wrong in your previous example, I’m going to guess you are wrong again.
And you are!
China currently relies on property-related transaction taxes like deed tax (3-5%) and land-use taxes.
Charlie pushes past mere ignorance into all kinds of discredited bullshit.
Property taxes are ancient.
So your litmus is time and tradition? Slavery is ancient too, dipshit. Try again.
I gather this isn't the Charlie the MAGAts were all bawling about...
Logical fallacy on the play: argumentum ad antiquitatem (appeal to tradition).
Property tax is the most regressive tax of all, because there is no relation to ability to pay. It is based on what your former neighbors were paid when they sold THEIR houses. That did not put penny one in your pocket.
It is obsolete, dating to a time when one's property was one's source of income: the farmer's land, the shopkeeper's store, the blacksmith's workshop, the widow's biardinghouse, and the doctor's office. The wage slave owned nothing and paid nothing
Crappy title to this article. Should have said Florida (mentioned bunches of times) and snot Texas (never mentioned).
There is logic to the notion that the people who actually own the city and county should be billed for the maintenance of them.
There is even more logic on billing customers rather than taxing everybody. 90% of what governments do today would be better handled by private industry instead of incompetent monopoly government bureaucrats. Unemployment insurance is a prime example; insurance companies would be far more efficient and allow customization per individual workers.
"There is even more logic on billing customers rather than taxing everybody."
But that's not going to happen.
Neither is doubling or tripling sales taxes to make up for abandoning property taxes.
No, it's not. We will continue to have property taxes. The campaign against them is quixotic.
Weird. You just made an argument for tariffs and consumption taxes.
Normal. Your reading comprehension sucks.
Private insurance is always less efficient than government insurance because it has costs the government doesn't have, such as underwriting, marketing, higher salaries, investment management, reinsurance, capital costs, and other things that add up.
Then why can't government insurance compete with private insurance?
Hahahaha
Fuck, you're dumb.
Nope. Private insurance is always cheaper. The only ‘exceptions’ involve government subsidies, which are in fact, more costs.
So only the corrupt politicians should vote?
Think that one through.
Deep shot to left field.
Thing is, they don't own the city or county - it's not like non-property owners don't get an equal say.
Property owners literally own the cities and counties.
People hate property taxes for two reasons:
* Governments treat them as rent. Don't pay, and it's not just another debt, like income tax or a store's sales tax; they confiscate the property, like a landlord evicting a tenant for non-payment, sell the property, and keep the entire proceeds. The Supreme Court has finally begun telling states to keep only what they are owed and return the excess to the ex-owner, but the states still sell at fire-sale prices, not market prices, and to cronies who turn around and sell at market prices to make a small fortune.
* States bill the entire tax once or twice a year, a huge lump sum. Escrowed taxes smooth it out, but still, getting a notice in the mail of owing $5000 or $10,000 is a nasty shock compared to income tax withholding every payday and sales taxes on every purchase.
Property taxes have one huge advantage over sales taxes: they are roughly proportional to wealth, like income taxes, while sales taxes are regressive. Spare me complaints that taxing wealth discourages wealth accumulation; governments are going to collect taxes one way or another, the same total amount, and all taxes discourage something. Most people think rich people should pay more taxes, which makes property taxes an easier sell. It would be great if people had enough political control and will power to force governments to spend less, but they don't.
Property taxes have one unique advantage over most other taxes: they can be collected anonymously. All government cares about is getting the tax. It could be paid in cash and they need never know who even owns the property. If the tax isn't paid, they know where the property is. It's not of any practical significance with current governments, but it is a difference.
I agree with your points. All taxes suck, but some more than others.
I would like to see luxury (sales) taxes. The more un-needed stuff is, the more people want to flaunt their wealth, the higher the tax rate should be. You want to show off your cunt-spicuous cunt-sumption? 50% tax on yachts longer than 100 yards, but ZERO sales tax on common (poor people) grub! Peanut butter, for example. 20% tax on caviar, and so on. The higher taxes will HELP the show-offs to show off, since 300-yard yachts will be WAAAAY more expensive!
Many states have property taxes on cars, boats, and airplanes.
There is no libertarian argument for why taxes should be progressive or not be regressive.
The 14th amendment should block unequal treatment of people by hitting them with unequal tax burdens.
Yes, progressive and regressive are not libertarian arguments. But they are practical arguments, and the topic is not libertarian taxes. This rag has long since ceased discussing libertarian topics.
I like head taxes and user fees.
You can pay your head tax with cash or labor of equal value. Want to be part of a political community? Then pay and equal share of what the community has decided. Fuck Marx.
And user fees are better for specific community services and amenities. From roads to libraries, if your community decided to provide them, then users pay. And yes, if you never drive you will still pay for roads via costs passed on to you from actual users.
Head taxes were basically outlawed by the 24th Amendment. In theory you can still have a head tax, but you can never lose your right to vote in a federal election no matter how many years you refuse to pay.
That is why Voter ID is so problematic. It costs money to get the ID.
Walz +9
If you're going to troll, at least be coherent.
Voter IDisn’t problematic. Pretty much every adult already has ID.
The elephant in the room is the reason WHY people don't have IDs: you need an address to get an ID. People who are not legally allowed to reside at the place they live are afraid to give their address in order to get an ID. If you're living illegally in your baby momma's Section 8 house, your mom's housing authority apartment, a relative's place where you're not on the lease, etc., you don't go to the BMV and confess that. The people in those situations are grossly disproportionately Black men. That's why Democrats oppose voter ID.
It’s still not one in four of them, and the democrats should be swept aside anyway.
In my state we provided for free voter IDs; it's not like that stopped the objections.
>* States bill the entire tax once or twice a year, a huge lump sum. Escrowed taxes smooth it out, but still, getting a notice in the mail of owing $5000 or $10,000 is a nasty shock compared to income tax withholding every payday and sales taxes on every purchase.
People hate this - but it is a good thing.
You can't hide who much tax is being taken like you can with income tax.
How is income tax hidden? It’s literally on every paycheck you receive. Usually (always, in my experience) with running yearly totals. If you don’t know how much income tax you’re paying, it’s because you can’t read.
But they do need to know who owns the property - you need to maintain a register of properties to be taxed and thus who owns them.
"they are roughly proportional to wealth"
That is a huge DISadvantage, unless you are on the far left and like wealth taxes.
Actually, property taxes function more like a consumption tax. They are based on the assessed value of the property, and you pay the same tax for the privilege of owning it, whether you own it free and clear or have it mortgaged for more than it's worth.
"It could be paid in cash and they need never know who even owns the property. "
Uh, if the government doesn't know who the legal owner is, nothing prevents someone from squatting on your property and it is his word against yours.
You are an idiot if you think property taxes are anonymous. The State is now invested in exactly who owns the property so they can collect and can even have a vested interest in the valuation they set.
Every tax gets the State involved somehow; sometimes for good reasons, sometimes horrible ones.
#1 advantage of property tax is there is no easy evasion in paying it. Cash businesses and the underground economy easily evade income taxes. Owner's property is just there in all is glory, with no way to hide, or work off the books and every owner and tenant pays (unless you live in a tent in the city park).
Property taxes are a racist leftover of the founding of this country.
Only property owners could vote, so it was more reasonable to use property taxes (including the property that was people).
Once the people who did not own property could vote to raise property taxes, it became unreasonable to tax property.
(and where does it say the government has to fund schools?)
"where does it say the government has to fund schools"
Every state constitution.
Government funded public schools have been around here since the 1630s.
You endlessly spout nonsense. Did you know that?
Logical fallacy: argumentum ad antiquitatem (appeal to tradition).
Hint: Logical fallacies are not valid arguments.
In some states, Black property owners could vote, even though they were not US citizens.
(MAGA goes apoplectic that non-citizens were voting.)
#libertarians4propertytax
#libertarians4governmentownershipofland
Fair. Tax. Now.
State and federal.
So a flat tax? I agree.
We are destined to not have nice things.
"Jared approached us, because he loves Skeletor and has his own history with the character. He wanted to swing for the fences. And ultimately we landed on something that I’m really happy with," he told Empire. "Skeletor’s kind of the embodiment of toxic masculinity."
...
The 2026 reboot garnered attention with its first trailer. In it, the reboot introduces He-Man’s origin story before quickly cutting to the character sitting in a cubicle at a corporate office. His desk features a nameplate that says "Adam Glenn," the character’s alter ego, along with a pronoun display reading "He/Him."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/masters-universe-reboot-director-says-villain-skeletor-embodiment-toxic-masculinity
>"Skeletor’s kind of the embodiment of toxic masculinity."
I was hearing good things about this movie but this line right here tells me it will be shite.
I love that a lust for power and control is only ever showcased as a masculine thing, like women don’t ever have that trait.
The saves of the white savior are getting tired of the white savior.
Groups from Seattle to Montgomery County, Md., are telling mostly White "rapid responders" to back off a dynamic described by activists as "White Savior," reminding them they are not cameo actors in an "action movie" against ICE.
This past weekend, the Washington Immigrant Solidarity Network — known locally as "WAISN," a Seattle-based, immigrant-led organization, publicly rebuked the practice of whistles, setting off a backlash inside mostly White liberal activist "rapid response" circles.
"WHY WAISN RAPID RESPONSE DOES NOT USE WHISTLES," the group wrote in an Instagram post, emphasizing, "We show up with care and accountability, not noise or panic."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-saviors-use-whistles-causes-bitter-internal-rift-inside-anti-ice-movement
Skin color is the most important thing.
Power is the most important thing. Skin color is just a tactic.
Haitian and Christian leaders in Springfield, Ohio have issued a statement asking out-of-town demonstrators NOT to come to Springfield.
https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/donations-pour-in-for-springfield-immigrant-support-as-groups-urge-outsiders-to-stay-home/D2Q6MFA6KNHTBB363ZBVCZ2CZY/
It's like they think they have borders or something.
“We don’t want no foreigners in our town!”
Get off our lawn!
Did I miss the part about Texas?
Another Reeeeeason narrative goes down in flames. Power bottom Sullum most butt hurt:
Richardson admitted to authorities that he helped Lemon with logistics and contacts in the days leading up to the anti-ICE protest. Lemon has consistently claimed he was “just reporting.”
The new arrest of Richardson blows up Lemon’s defense, showing active planning rather than mere reporting.
Stupid people always think they are so clever and everyone will believe their lies.
Have you talked to the average (or even "superior") leftist lately?
It’s usually something i avoid doing.
Almost every time I come here, unfortunately.
And these pinko clowns actually believe they would beat us in a civil war.
Dont worry. Reason will ignore they are wrong. And sullum may even explain why being wrong was actually right.
No, Lemon's collusion with those who stormed the church doesn't mean he is equally guilty of the crimes he committed on tape. - Sullum
Videos of crimes are white supremacy.
He may have technically violated the law but it was to start a conversation about race and privilege in America and that is the Journalists highest calling.
And Lemon's claim will be that made by all defendants faced with a snitch: "He's only saying that because the d.a. has made a deal with him for a lesser sentence." Let's hope there's evidence like e-mails.
Which, of course, Lemon will say have been manufactured.
Did you really expect Don Lemon to be honest?
Lemon could have been on a roof looking down a rifle through a scope and Sullum would claim he was just a constitutional observer.
In most of the US, you now have a constitutional right to do that. Open Carry. Not even ICE can legally stop you until you actually start shooting.
Rule #4
Make enemies live up to their own book of rules.
-Saul Alinsky
Fuck off, collectivist trash.
Better not start shooting. That can go Prerti bad for you.
Bullshit! You have the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms. There is no constitutional right to point and/or aim weapons at other people without exigent, self-defense/defense of others circumstatnces.
Sullum doesn’t care about the truth though, so not actually butt hurt.
Gateway Pundit? LOLOLOLOL!
'People don't like property taxes—but they are also not eager to cut the government services they fund.'
Oh, really?
Guys, any government services you are eager to cut?
At the local level?
Anything not related to police, fire, roads.
It goes against the grain, but I'd be happy if they cut back community funding for public schools to cover infrastructure only, and charged the parents of enrolled students for all instructional costs.
Interesting story for you.
El Salvador basically cracked down on all the public school related fraud, removed DEI and woke subjects, and had so much money they were able to build new schools and give each student laptops with the savings.
https://pjmedia.com/sarah-anderson/2026/02/06/the-new-monroe-doctrine-the-plot-twist-no-one-saw-coming-n4949213
"charged the parents of enrolled students for all instructional costs."
Fifteen years later the uneducated illiterate mobs whose parents could not pay will come and take your property because it is the only way that the unemployables can survive.
And the middle and upper class will have a lot fewer children and the US will see demographic collapse.
Half the educated also believe my property belongs to them. Seems we could save ourselves the trouble.
People would be more inclined to have children if we got rid of all you Marxists.
They're already doing that in some places, and that's WITH publicly funded education.
All welfare to start. How much does that save us?
I live adjacent to a metro area with the highest property taxes in the lower 48. The only "services" I get for my money are road maintenance and the theoretical response of the sheriff in the case of a crime against my property. The vast majority goes into the black hole of the public school racket. I haven't had a kid in school for 15 years. I have 2 grandkids in public schools but my son and his wife pay higher taxes than I do. The sales tax around here is over 9% so not a lot of room to replace the outrageous property taxes. Meanwhile billions line the pockets of fraudsters with the complicity of government actors. I'm not voting for higher taxes under any circumstances. Not another dime for these parasites.
May I suggest uhaul.com?
Yes. U haul.
I do own some of their stock. Just sayin'.
I would prefer federal ,atrial law, treason tribunals, and summary executions of all Marxists.
"For the same reason, property taxes are often more akin to a user fee paid by the consumers of government services for the benefits they receive than a true tax."
Bullshit
"Bullshit" says every childless person everywhere.
What is the benefit of propagandizing children about socialism and grooming them for a life of sexual explotation?
Jeffy, you wanna chime in here?
I enjoy streets and streetlights. Had to pay $2K to repair the sidewalk though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/libertarianmeme/comments/1qzfsqn/rekt/
Nick gets owned on X.
LOL
spiking the football
The best is all the reddit libertarians thinking it was photoshopped.
Nah, the best part is all the commenters calling The Jacket a leftist.
Ackshully it shows an illiterate MAGAt mistaking a Kleptocracy vaccination card for Matt's ballot. Unlike Mutterkreuz Lizard and Credere, Obeddire, Tuccille, I'll lay odds Nick voted for a libertarian candidate--and reaped 25x the law-changing clout.
Tax revolts without a preexisting agreement re spending are, at this point, stuck on stupid. Uncle Sugar Daddy can no longer fund debt and these states are just expecting the free federal money spigot to keep spewing. We are going to be so surprised when the free debt fountain dries up in the next year or two
A major reason property taxes are so high is because there are way too many units of local government, especially school districts. Lots and lots of unnecessary duplication.
Westchester County NY has 48 school districts, Nassau County 56, and Suffolk County 72. All of New York State has 730. New York City is a single school district which is a major reason why we have the lowest property tax rate in the state. One superintendent not 730.
New Jersey has 590 school districts. Texas 1186 (I have seen sources that say 1214.)
At least Florida (67 districts), North Carolina (100), Kentucky, Virginia (132), and Maryland (24) organize their school districts mostly or entirely at a county level. Much more efficient. Much less waste. But you suggest to someone in Westchester County that the county doesn't need 2x as many school districts as the entire state of Maryland they push back and hard. They are happy to pay property taxes that are at near confiscatory levels in order to have their "exclusive" schools. Keeps the riffraff out. Translation: children from the wrong backgrounds.
You're wrong. Just as one example - education was much cheaper and more effective when we had 140,000 school governance units (each school had its own tax base and drawing area in most places) rather than 13,000 governance units now (districts).
Back then they had a lot of principals but very very few non-teachers. With districts, only half of all employees actually teach. That is waste.
Reeeeason will be gathering all the pearls for this one. Prepare for some massive pants shitting on Monday.
The Trump administration has drawn a line in the sand.
It will not comply with a federal court order demanding due process for 252 Venezuelan migrants deported to a maximum-security prison in El Salvador last March under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act.
The Justice Department made that position clear in a new filing, setting up a collision course with U.S. District Judge James Boasberg and a near-certain return to the Supreme Court.
Fuck Boasberg.
Boasberg must be dealt with. Roberts needs to stop being such a pussy.
I'm rather unsure Roberts knows how not to be a pussy. His track record is has more instances of being a pussy than Sarc's here in the commentariat.
Roberts like his beltway cocktail party invitations.
Sure they are... like they "considered" repealing weed prohibition...
Look, this is a lot more simple than it seems. All of the services that the voters expect from the government paid for with taxes can be provided by private vendors. It's likely that private vendors would provide higher quality services at lower prices than government does, but even without out that consideration the point here is that if government taxes pay for the services, people who don't pay property taxes get the services for free (or pay the taxes indirectly through higher rents) while property taxpayers get services they may not want.
Hitting the nail right on the head so nobody can deny it.
'Guns' don't teach kids. Wrong tool.
Those who keep trying to use 'Guns' (as Gov is nothing but) to get something from nothing...
Are literally turning the "halls of justice' into the "halls of criminals".
Turning those same 'Guns' that are suppose to be defending victims from crime....
Into 'Guns' that are aimed at victims for criminal intentions.
It doesn't matter how creative they want to get about it. Giving it 'charity' names or calling it 'helping' or naming it 'socialism/communism' the premise *IS* and always will be the same....
Turning the "halls of justice" into the "halls of criminals" at-large.
Property tax is fine. The real issue is thats its too much due to govt being too big, and its unequal and thus unfair. My neighbor shouldnt be paying 3x what I pay because their house is more expensive or Ive lived in mine longer and thus rent controlled. And the govt shouldnt be able to seize your property.
Making up for the revenue lost from property tax cuts would be a tall order.
They are overspending by a mile right now. No need to make up "lost revenue". Cut the taxes and let those fuckers clean up their own spending situation.
Property tax is a coinage to disguise postponed asset-forfeiture, nationalization or at-gunpoint looting by a monopoly committed to shooting all competitors first... THEN shooting the recalcitrant property owner.
All taxes are bad, however we do need to fund the appropriate amount of government.
The problem is that all government has swelled to epic proportions that are unprecedented in the known history of the world.
We need to cut all government at all levels and jurisdictions by 75%. We need to privatize many of the inefficient functions of government that are currently manned by the non-elected deep state bureaucrats.
@Christian Britschgi, fuck off statist!
Sure. For politicians.
Quite simply put, so long as the government can evict and seize property for unpaid property taxes, then, properly understood, the government owns the property, not the individual that purchased it, maintains it, etcetera. This is entirely antithetical to libertarian respect for and protection of property rights.
What fucking nonsense! Can homeowners be evicted and have their land and property seized if they fail to pay user fees?
With other taxes, you can be put in prison if you refuse to pay. That's not exactly libertarian, either.
Might register my truck in Texas, property taxes in Missouri last year were over 7% on personal vehicles, which for me was nearly $2000.
The chief export of public schools is dangerously stupid useless activists. The sooner we cut the head of that snake the better.
Also, taxation is theft.
Taxation is theft, the libertarian adage goes. Therefore, one could be forgiven for giving unqualified support for these efforts to eliminate property taxes.
Good -- I'll be forgiven then.
People without kids shouldn't have their homes taxed to educate other people's kids.
Police and fire services could be sold as insurance, or as part of an annual membership fee for people choosing to move to a particular city or county.
How about if you don't want schools and services you just move to a country without those things. Go to a third world country. People living in Gaza don't have school and services, you might try living there or in northern Canada, in a South American Jungle. The problem is most people want the benefits of living in first world nation but only want to pay the taxes of living in a third world nation.
Funny how all 3rd world nations were under 'socialist' leadership/ideology and 1st world nations (precisely the richest ones) were capitalist.
Do you realize just how stupid you are; constantly?
Nothing makes me angrier than property taxes. My monthly property taxes are just about what my mortgage is. And I have to pay them forever to pay to fund the education of other people's kids at schools my kids never went to. When I retire, they'll be my biggest single cost. They'll run me out. Never to truly own anything, be a feudal serf forever. Fuck that.
edit: let's not forget essential Fire services where they'll show up to destroy with water what the fire doesn't get, or the Po-po who have never really solved a crime for me in my entire fucking life.
Property taxes are probably the most reasonable taxes that people pay because they are directly tied to the quality and amount of services people receive. Higher property taxes usually reflect that your city has good public services and good schools. People like services and families with children like good schools. The services and schools drive the cost of home prices. Want lower home prices and lower taxes go to a city with less services and poorer school quality.