Ice, ICE…Maybe?
Plus: Trump accounts, Klobuchar runs for governor, and who wants to buy CNN now?
As Washington, D.C., struggles with street cleanup days after a paralyzing winter storm, the two big questions in the nation's capital are whether the roads will be clear and whether there will be a government shutdown over funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). To paraphrase a great poet of my youth, the best answer is probably…Ice? ICE? Maybe.
Last year's extended government shutdown was resolved when Congress agreed to fund the government through the end of January. Until last weekend, it looked like Congress would renew that funding before the deadline, keeping the government open in the process. But after two separate fatal shootings of Americans by immigration agents, Senate Democrats are making noises about refusing to vote for any bill that doesn't make changes to immigration enforcement.
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"I will vote no on any legislation that funds ICE until it is reined in and overhauled," the Senate's Democratic Leader, Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), said. "Senate Democrats are overwhelmingly united on this issue."
What does it mean to be "reined in and overhauled?" Democrats have a list, which, according to Politico, includes a "prohibition on agents using masks, mandates for body cameras and IDs and a 'uniform code of conduct and accountability,' including requiring independent investigations of incidents like Saturday's fatal shooting of Alex Pretti."
The problem for Democrats is that these changes need buy-in from Republicans, including additional votes and procedural requirements. It's not at all clear that Republicans will agree before the deadline. If they don't, it's shutdown o'clock.
It's worth remembering that after last year's GOP megabill boosted agency funding by nearly $20 billion annually, ICE became the highest-funded federal law enforcement agency. The Republican bill not only boosted agency funding, it also did so with very little oversight, essentially cutting the agency a giant check to spend as it pleased.
That paved the way for the aggressive enforcement tactics on display in blue states and cities all over the country, including Minneapolis, where two American citizens have been killed by immigration enforcement agents this month.
That may sound like an argument for defunding ICE. But don't get your hopes up. Even Republicans who voted against the boosted funding last year don't want to go quite that far. "I don't want to defund ICE," Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) said, according to The New York Times. "But I'm not sure I want to give them billions and billions more without any kind of signs of, there are going to be some rules of the game."
Meanwhile, both agents who fired during Alex Pretti's shooting have been put on leave, according to a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson. Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino has been moved out of command of the Minneapolis enforcement surge, with President Donald Trump saying he's a "pretty out there kind of guy." And border czar Tom Homan has been put in charge of the operation. Trump also said, "We're going to de-escalate a little bit."
Yet by the end of Wednesday, Trump had already gone back to feuding with local officials in Minnesota, while White House communications officials blamed Democrats for Pretti's death. "This tragedy occurred as a result of a deliberate and hostile resistance by Democrat leaders in Minnesota," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said. So much for de-escalation.
$1,000 per kid. Trump also released more details about the plan to give every newborn $1,000. Like the boosted ICE funding, these accounts were also included in last year's GOP megabill. Every infant is eligible, so long as their parent opens an account. Maybe I should have headlined this newsletter "Ice, ICE, Babies" after all.
The money goes into stocks, which can be accessed when the child becomes an adult. JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America have already said they'll match the deposits, which are being referred to as Trump Accounts. Somehow, rapper Nicki Minaj is involved, so you know it's all very serious.
Scenes from Washington, D.C. Outside of Metro, which is using fire snakes that are definitely not Dungeons and Dragons spells to heat the tracks, the city's response to last weekend's storm has been hilariously—if predictably—inept. Roads in the Dupont Circle area, where Reason's office is located, remained covered in ice and muddy slush on Wednesday, days after the storm. On the one hand, D.C. has no idea what to do with snow. But a giant, ugly slush pile suddenly appearing not far from the White House? You'd think this city would have that down.
QUICK HITS
- Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) has launched her campaign for governor of Minnesota.
- Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney wasn't kidding when he described the current state of global trade as a "rupture." "To be absolutely clear, and I said this to the president, I meant what I said in Davos," he told reporters. "Canada was the first country to understand the change in U.S. trade policy that he initiated, and we're responding to that."
- "Time is running out," Trump warns Iran.
- The Fed is not doing anything.
- There's another big storm headed for the East Coast. The slush piles will continue until morale improves.
- "So I would ask you, if a foreign country bombed our air defense missiles, captured and removed our president, and blockaded our country, would that be considered an act of war?" Rand Paul grills Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
- Barry Diller wants to buy CNN.
- "It would not be inconsistent to have the words 'Don't Tread on Me' appear at the end, perhaps with the libertarian porcupine rather than Gadsden's original rattlesnake." Fun piece on whether the hero of the (excellent) Apple show Pluribus is a libertarian.
- Inception, Clueless, and The Karate Kid have been added to the National Film Registry.
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To paraphrase a great poet of my youth, the best answer is probably…Ice? ICE? Maybe.
Word to your mother.
I'VE BEEN DRIVING MY TRUCK AT ICE ALL WEEK LONG.
ICE road truckers?
Ice, ICE…Maybe?..."Ice, ICE, Babies"
FoE, We're all counting on you to correct this travesty of comedy.
Suderman's gonna Suderman.
https://youtu.be/fdtKBe7sM48?si=m18g01jjwtw2zvQk
White white baby. In Living Color
Ahhh. That's better.
That’s how I knew it wasn’t good Liz, she wouldn’t listen to that shit.
“If there was a problem yo, I’ll solve it….”
White supremecist culture. ^
More Big Z cronies under investigation for siphoning funds from Ukraine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/orban-backs-weidels-demands-ukraine-pay-germany-reparations-nord-stream-2-sabotage-09
Who would ever have guessed there was corruption in Ukraine.
Minnesota Somalis are even confused on how they only managed 100M in a war torn country, calling them idiots.
I'm surprised he hasn't taken up sanctuary w/ Walz in the governor's mansion yet.
But after two separate fatal shootings of Americans by immigration agents, Senate Democrats are making noises about refusing to vote for any bill that doesn't make changes to immigration enforcement.
OH MY GOD. Trump is going to shut down the government!
If it's like last time when he brought up immigration reform, he can put defense cuts on the table and they'll tell him to go fuck himself before pointing the barrel squarely at their own face and shouting "DUCK SEASON! FIRE!"
“So much for de-escalation.”
Lol. Fucking Republicans.
"I will vote no on any legislation that funds ICE until it is reined in and overhauled," the Senate's Democratic Leader, Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), said.
Lol. No way they hold the line on this.
Trump should start running adds like the Sara McClachlan pet rescue adds replete w/ sad music and the records of the rapists and murderers the D's want to protect from ICE.
Nice.
"...the Senate's Democratic Leader, Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), said..."
Oh well, in THAT case...
Will Chuck hold a barbecue for the Dems?
Can't wait for murray retard and windycitybarista to defend this.
Man who almost beat train passenger to death gets zero time in jail.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-accused-nearly-beating-chicago-train-passenger-death-walks-free-no-prison-time-report
Equity sentence.
Jesus Ramirez is the real victim.
He did overserve his sentence by being on house arrest awaiting trial for attempted murder. You and I both know he's not turning his life around behind bars, so it's best to let him prey on more innocent people.
He was sentenced for 2 years, law requires that to be halved for some reason. He only had 1 year of house arrest.
He did not over serve.
"law requires that to be halved for some reason"
Intersectionality penal discount?
I took HC's comment as sarcasm.
I am not finding HC hard to read.
i couldn't possibly defend this. you must have me confused with some lefty from your fantasies.
No, you’re some lefty in reality.
Liz, it takes two to de-escalate. Why are you not calling on Mayor Frey to walk back his command to the police to fight ICE? Why are you not calling on Governor Walz to not call out the National Guard to protect protesters? Why are you not reaming the Minnesota and Minneapolis police who let protesters run wild again like they did in 2020?
Not Liz today.
Oops! Yes, it isn't Liz. It's the movie reviewer.
Siskel and Ebert, Suderman ain’t.
He isn’t even Richard Roeper and Rex Reed.
It's suderman this morning, hence the super retardation
I missed that too. Explains the retardation of the roundup for sure.
In Arizona there was a CBP shooting. It occurred after the man fired at a police copter and agents. Here is how the media headlines ran.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/27/us/border-shooting-arizona.html
Man Is Wounded After Exchanging Fire With Border Patrol in Arizona.
And dems run with the lack of information being headline readers only.
Ryan Shead
@RyanShead
The person shot by a federal agent in Pima County was confirmed to be an American citizen from Sahuarita, Arizona.
ICE and Border Patrol sure are shooting a lot of citizens while looking for illegal immigrants, aren’t they?
Yet another audition failure for American Open Boarderz Idol.
Keep tying guys (blows rape whistle in salute)
Look, I'm all for shitting on the Times, but the subheadline doesn't really mask it:
The man, Patrick Gary Schlegel, was in custody and expected to be charged after shooting at a federal helicopter, the authorities said. The shooting is under investigation.
AP buried the fact that he shot at officers first like 5 paragraphs down.
The point is the online activists raced to link this to Minnesota.
Initial stories online didnt mention the fact he shot at BP at all.
It’s time to prosecute DNC Merida propaganda outlets for violations of FEC laws, fraud, and RICO.
‘Media’
Let's also remember last week an Arizona Dem official encouraged people to violently resist ICE including shooting them.
Interestingly no Reasoner or left-media commenter tied the event to her escalation. I'm shocked.
If only the damn republicans would just de-escalate! Lol.
Senate Judiciary Democrats
@JudiciaryDems
Anadith Danay Reyes Álvarez died in government custody.
She had sickle cell and congenital heart disease but couldn’t access timely and adequate medical care.
We need to reform immigration detention.
She died in 2023. Democrats know their base are retards.
Had open heart surgery, crossed into the country under the Biden Administration, died in custody after being held for more than 72 hours.
It's a straight up game show halfway between "Let's Make A Deal" and "Wipeout" hosted by Joe Biden: Door No. 1 your child gets free healthcare for life... Door No. 2... she might die in the process of getting here... Door No. 3... federal agents might intercept you and she dies in custody... who wants to play?!?
Trump: "It's a shitty deal. The prize money is stolen. People are going to die either way. Don't play their games."
Circa 2008...
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-apr-13-me-liver13-story.html
Ana Puente was an infant with a liver disorder when her aunt brought her illegally to the U.S. to seek medical care. She underwent two liver transplants at UCLA Medical Center as a child in 1989 and a third in 1998, each paid for by the state.
But when Puente turned 21 last June, she aged out of her state-funded health insurance and was unable to continue treatment at UCLA.
This year, her liver began failing again and she was hospitalized at County-USC Medical Center. In her Medi-Cal application, a USC doctor wrote, "Her current clinical course is irreversible, progressive and will lead to death without another liver transplant." The application was denied.
The county gave her medication but does not have the resources to perform transplants.
Late last month Puente learned of another, little-known option for patients with certain healthcare needs. If she notified U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services that she was in the country illegally, state health officials might grant her full Medi-Cal coverage. Puente did so, her benefits were restored and she is now awaiting a fourth transplant at UCLA.
The average cost of a liver transplant and first-year follow-up is nearly $490,000, and anti-rejection medications can run more than $30,000 annually, according to the United Network for Organ Sharing, which oversees transplantation nationwide.
What does Ana say about her situation?
"It doesn't matter if I'm undocumented," she said. "They should take care of me at UCLA for the rest of my life because I've been there since I was a baby."
Why cant all the democrats who advocate for illegals donate to pay for it?
Aren't transplants scarce? How many Americans have received 4 livers?
In all likelihood 4 Americans are dead so the left could create this propaganda point.
Because it's called virtue signaling, not virtue funding.
Democrats run up big tabs, but never pay.
Jimmy Carr makes a few (he counts two, but I'd say thee) points about the UK encouraging immigration. After first pointing out that lots of immigrants are perfectly good doctors he states:
1. You apply heightened standards for domestic med students and then employ foreigners who didn't have to necessarily meet those same standards. This is unequal discrimination that *at least* disenfranchises domestic medicine.
2. You made a poor decision about the standards you applied and you're avoiding correcting that bad decision by going around it.
3. The perfectly good doctors that you're employing here didn't come here because they lack sick people wherever they're from. They came here because you subsidize the industry, raise the standards, and inflate prices.
The Republican bill not only boosted agency funding, it also did so with very little oversight, essentially cutting the agency a giant check to spend as it pleased.
So that's where all the USAID money went.
The outrageous attack on Omar has more information. She was attacked by a chemical labeled ACV. A substance so dangerous it is used cautiously in dinner recipes around the world. It made one of her staffers violently puke. It is drank as a shot to fight inflammation.
When will this terrorism end.
.
Goes great with roast pig, that must have been the real message.
Yes, but does it go good with stupid cunt?
If I'm going to eat cunt, I'm going to be more selective than that.
Your sister?
Seems like she knew it wasn't a real chemical attack, what with hugging kids right after and all.
He has been charged with 3rd degree assault. But as we know with sandwichgate, it's not a real assault.
Ah, but unlike assault by sandwich, in which the jury was predisposed to ignore the assault because of who the perp and who the victim were, this will be treated as if he shot her in the face with a fully automatic .50 cal military grade death weapon.
If it was real and not a false-flag self-generated hoax.
But did he donate to Act Blue?
Dem officials are claiming this "attack" is because Trump criticized her. Revealingly exactly zero Dems or other left wingers claimed multiple attempts to assassinate Trump were caused by the Dem demonization campaign which included calling him a fascist, a Nazi, and literally Hitler.
Cause and effect work differently when the left's actions are under review.
My death threats are speech, your speech (or lack of) is genocidal holocaust.
My death threats are speech, your death threats are an ingredient.
Meanwhile, both agents who fired during Alex Pretti's shooting have been put on leave...
They are taking off to spend more time panic firing at their families.
On the bright side, their (surviving) kids probably get a new dog every couple of weeks.
Their "He was coming at us! He had a gun!" reports weren't good enough so stodgy old Mr. Homan sent them home to rewrite them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaazFYTrQ_A
South Park - It's Coming Right For Us
This week’s quote comes from Stan’s Uncle Jimbo. As an avid hunter, he is displeased that there are laws that protect certain endangered wildlife. However, he has found a loophole regarding the law as it is permitted to shoot anything as long as you’re about to be attacked by any creature. As such, he says the quote before each time he shoots and kills something.
Does that work against democrats too?
A poll asking general questions instead if push polling shows Americans still largely support deportations. Reason must have missed this one since it isnt in the NYT.
https://pup-research.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/2026_1.20_PUP-Immigration-Memo.pdf
CNN recently discovered in a segment which outlined a series of different polls from a variety of media outlets. All of the polls say the same thing, around 55% to 65% of the US public wants mass deportations of illegal immigrants without question and without qualification.
Imagine how high that number might be without DNC media lying to the American public.
Yet by the end of Wednesday, Trump had already gone back to feuding with local officials in Minnesota...
Those "local officials in Minnesota" apparently have no part themselves in this war. It's 100% all Trump's doing. It's like some perverse version of the passive voice whenever this president is involved.
Uh, sheesh [tugs at collar], "feud" strongly suggests contention or in-turn retaliation between two near-peer parties.
I know we're playing fast and loose with political terms like 'attacks', 'baiting'/'trapping', and 'ambushing' these past couple weeks but, this feels like a bit of a petty, "top billing" argument.
After deporting illegals, some how autoninsurance rates drop to lowest growth rate in years. May even turn negative this year.
https://www.aftermarketmatters.com/national-news/by-the-numbers-state-of-auto-insurance-in-2026/
That curve for increases seems to correlate with something... cant quite figure it out.
Auto insurance, murders, overdoses, what's next for them to defend with their lives and whistles?
Food trucks?
Sometimes I think the bigger the group that doesn't contribute the larger the share the rest of us must do so. No doubt this doesn't apply to medical insurance or college costs though.
The curve for increases correlates directly to the rate of inflation.
You should have been in here blaming Biden for the increases and thanking Trump for getting inflation under control or something.
Way less retarded than thinking this has anything to do with immigrants.
Trump also released more details about the plan to give every newborn $1,000.
First he overturns Roe v. Wade, and now this. It's always an assault on uterus-havers with this guy.
Makes me shudder to think what kind of bounties Democrats will offer after they seize power.
What does it mean to be "reined in and overhauled?" Democrats have a list, which, according to Politico, includes a "prohibition on agents using masks, mandates for body cameras and IDs and a 'uniform code of conduct and accountability,' including requiring independent investigations of incidents like Saturday's fatal shooting of Alex Pretti."
Hey liz... the list is more than optics. You should research further. It basically ends any means if enforcing the INA. It would end article 2 courts requiring judicial warrants, only able to be sought for federal crimes. This would basically end all immigration enforcement.
The Republican bill not only boosted agency funding, it also did so with very little oversight, essentially cutting the agency a giant check to spend as it pleased.
Oh. Now democrats and reason care about oversight. The tens of billions during DOGE or in Minnesota barely get a whisper.
That paved the way for the aggressive enforcement tactics on display in blue states and cities all over the country, including Minneapolis, where two American citizens have been killed by immigration enforcement agents this month.
Ahh. It was the enforcement of the law. Not the funded and organized dem resistant groups openly fighting against agents. Got it.
Not Liz. It’s Suderman today, hence the severe retardedness.
Outside of Metro, which is using fire snakes that are definitely not Dungeons and Dragons spells to heat the tracks...
ffs
Especially considering Heat Metal is a 2nd level transmutation spell that is useable by multiple classes... where are you going?
Exactly. Even a 3 level transmutation wizard can use it.
I know this as I’m currently playing Baldur’s Gate 3, which uses DND 5e rules.
Point of order Mr suderman and Mr Rand paul
We did not capture venesualas president.
If you believe the 2020 election was the cleanest ever, you have to accept maduros election was clean as well.
Didn't see the interview but, as indicated, seems fair.
Not to say that we shouldn't depose any given violent, disruptive dictator, but is there some vote split at which we declare other nation's elections illegitimate or is it more based on their connection to violent cartels and political assassinations?
Certainly doesn't hurt to have more-or-less of Congress conversing with more-or-less of the Executive about it openly.
Technically, he was referring to capturing ours and, *if* Congress has to wrest back some or all of the AUMF, I think it's a fair question. Moreover, given the options of Congress critters to ask it, "Libertarian-leaning Republican" is probably the best.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) has launched her campaign for governor of Minnesota.
Launched it at a staffer's head?
Ouch.
Trump warns Iran
Warns who? That nations who kill their own citizens in cold blood on their streets will face the wrath of the US?
So is Trump gonna send B52's to bomb Minneapolis on their way back from Tehran?
You've gotten more retarded.
He is mad Trump stopped Iran from getting the bomb to kill all the Jews.
"Good" genocide.
The only genocide against Jews (I assume the grayboxes are making that claim) was perpetrated by Europeans not Arabs/Persians. Your ancestry most likely - and your politics most likely. And the ancestry and politics of the grayboxes.
You’re just angry that the regime isn’t in a position to sponsor the murder of innocent Jews anymore.
"So I would ask you, if a foreign country bombed our air defense missiles, captured and removed our president, and blockaded our country, would that be considered an act of war?" Rand Paul grills Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
Is this what you think the best exchange was yesterday? Pretty fucking weak question.
If this is what you think theb Iran is at war with any country shipping in the area, china is at war with Taiwan and half the pacific, etc.
I'm a little concerned Rand Paul legitimately believes Maduro was elected.
Looks like the video of Pretti spitting on ICE officers and damaging their car has real legs. That crazy MAGA outlet BBC is vouching for it's accuracy. Wonder if Reason will report on it. Nah. Of course not.
Spitting on ICE officers warrants a death sentence?
When was he sentenced?
Fighting with cops while armed will often end in bad results. Im sorry that you leftists live in a world of intentional ignorance.
Democrats don’t believe in accountability for themselves.
No. But it challenges the narrative about the peaceful nurse. He had a history of violent obstruction. It's completely relevant to the story.
It's completely relevant to the story.
To some. Not to autists, and not legally.
For the culture warriors concerned with judging the man and his beliefs and motivations, it matters. On the other hand, if you're only concerned rights and legalities, i.e. with who, what, when why and where immediately before and at the time of the shooting, this is hardly relevant. (Unless these are the same group of cops, but then this looks very bad for them)
If there was no video before the shooting we could use this as evidence that he was obstructive and belligerent. But since we have all that on video, we already have that information.
I'd also like to point out that this guy never touched or even reached for his gun in either confrontation.
We armchair warriors like to puff our chests and say, "from my cold dead hands." Now the armchair militia calls him stupid for doing exactly that. Maybe he was just stupid. But maybe he was a principled 2A, anti-government type.
You should learn it's a better choice to let people think you're stupid than to prove it to them.
Hey a new insult! Did you wear out the ctrl and v keys?
You guys aren't even trying anymore. Please, continue with the "the left are the TRUE believers of the 2nd Amendment" narrative. It's hilarious to watch.
That's a hell of a leap to the conclusion I was saying anything remotely close to that. Not everyone thinks in binary.
But if you want it dumbed down to binary: Both parties brought out the culture war over principles hypocrisy for this one.
D's will never be favorable to gun rights other than for political advantage.
The specific details of these events will soon be forgotten. What remains is the conventional wisdom that shapes the culture and government policies. In the 70s the conventional wisdom was that the planet was overpopulated and that nuclear power was evil. People stopped having lots of kids and we stopped building nuke plants. In 00s the conventional wisdom was that Iraq and Afghanistan posed an existential threat to the planet. We spent decades and trillions in response. In the early 2020s the conventional wisdom was that a flu virus would wipe out humanity and that racist cops were murdering black men at every opportunity. Hilarity did not ensue. The current narrative, repeated dozens of times right here at Reason, is that ICE is a murderous extra legal militia terrorizing innocents across the land. Pretti is the new George Floyd and being used by well organized and well funded actors including elected officials to mount a quasi insurrection. How will AI write history 10 years from now? Will Pretti be an innocent nurse who was a peaceful protester or a known agitator who had a habit of engaging in altercations with cops. In the long term the accepted narrative will matter much more than the immediate events.
Speaking of the 70s:
https://x.com/jmichaelwaller/status/2016389709748908033
Pretty much sums it up.
Yes on point. I think most people think of the anti draft protests as a worthy movement that ultimately brought Nixon to heel. I supported the movement then and now because I was registered for the draft. Oddly the anti war movement on the left completely evaporated with the end of the draft. But what remained of left followed the playbook and conquered the institutions to the point of naming people like Angela Davis as celebrated academics which barely raised an eyebrow at the time. The legacy of the weathermen endures to this day but with far more money and far more sophisticated tools. This is no longer an underground insurgency. They control the media and politicians. They operate right out in the open.
Nothing like daily bombings and activist bank robberies, and occasional kidnapping and murder, to help normalize The Revolution.
No joke. The press worked hard to utterly ignore the insane number of bombings the Weather Underground performed.
Yeah. All that is true.
I think I see what you're saying. On the other hand I don't think you or I fall victim to the conventional wisdom trap, nor most of us here.
You don't think a history of assaulting officers has any legal bearing?
Correct. If he was accused of killing the cops, it would matter at sentencing.
But, since he was killed by the cops and this prior incident was likely unknown to them at the time, it's irrelevant because we have video of everything they would have known about Pretti at that time. What they knew and reasonably believed in that moment is all that's relevant.
If it was known to them, it looks worse for them, acting as judge and executioner, but that seems pretty unlikely.
It certainly shows a pattern of reckless, criminal, violent behavior towards ICE, and showcases his poor impulse control, and generally bad judgement. So yes, it is absolutely relevant.
I appreciate you addressing the substance of my comment here. That we disagree is expected, but we can still get along...I'd hope.
Is it legal?
He wasn't sentenced to death.
Spitting on people and damaging their vehicles does warrant prevention, a degree of in turn retaliation that can and does result in death, yes.
As I said before when the first video came out, there are plenty of places across the country where spitting on someone's car and kicking the taillight out could result in your ticket getting punched by local PD, if not other civilians.
There are plenty of road rage incidents where this cuts both ways, even for immigrants, on either side. Pretending like this was a systemic execution of Pretti is both manipulative/dishonest *and* disrespectful to lots of people who have been more systemically persecuted and executed.
"Spitting on ICE officers warrants a death sentence?"
Picking cherries like that qualifies you as a TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit?
Yes. Yes it does, TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit.
Simpleton.
Notice the shifting goalposts. Yesterday he was just an ICU nurse people fully protesting and anyone who believed otherwise was a crazed lunatic. When that narrative is corrected to "a vandal seeking out confrontation and spitting on people" the goalpost moves to the idiotic claim that correcting prior comments means you must believe he deserved to die.
If if character isn't relevant today why was it relevant yesterday? Remember, the left wingers who can't keep this straight believe they are the "relative centrists".
Democrats are inherently disingenuous.
No, but it is assault.
As more info comes out, which narrative will be closer to reality:
Noem: Pretti was a domestic terrorist
MSM: Alex Pretti was the perfect guy. He's the guy that you want to date your daughter. He's the man you want your son to be. They can't malign him because we have the videos.
Reeeeason: ICU nurse
"...Prior to the protests, Pretti's parents specifically warned him against engaging.
"We had this discussion with him two weeks ago or so, you know, that go ahead and protest, but do not engage, do not do anything stupid, basically," said Michael Pretti. "And he said he knows that. He knew that."..."
He was 37 and his parents felt obligated to tell him that?! 37 going on 15?
No wonder he's dead.
Who doesn't want their daughter dating a guy who reacts to something he doesn't like by vandalizing property and spitting on them? Sounds like the guy feminists dream about.
Yep. True moron. Now the whole situation is just the ruination of multiple lives. But he, and those egging him on, deserve 99% credit for this shitshow. I don't care about the whys and hows.
Please note: Ana Navaro worked on the McCain and Huntsman campaigns. To show you why the GOPe is so loathed.
Of course he was a domestic terrorist. He’s was a democrat ‘activist’.
Thank you, Peter, for including *zero* X/Twitter quotations!
Oh my god. Did you hear Elon gave a nazi salute!!!! Guessing youre one of the reddit retards.
Now, now. He could be one of those ideologically diverse individuals who gets his political ideology from quips on Mastodon, Bluesky, *and* reddit.
Do you usually suck Koch, or is this just special?
GOP megabill boosted agency funding by nearly $20 billion annually, ICE became the highest-funded federal law enforcement agency...
They have 10-20 million scofflaws to track down.
I said something like this before, recently...One man with a stick and a garbage bag can keep a neighborhood litter free with a simple daily walk. But if you allow illegal dumping in the area for 4 years, it’s going to take multiple crews working overtime ($$$$) with heavy equipment ($$$$) to clean it all up and it will be smelly, dirty, ugly work to get it done.
Yep, we have to spend this. Only thanks to democrats. Like everything else, this is all their fault.
Canada was the first country to understand the change in U.S. trade policy that he initiated, and we're responding to that.
Trudeau is going to be so upset he wasn't there for China's colonization of the Great Whitish North.
"Time is running out," Trump warns Iran.
Trump is going to launch his Iran attack from his base in Greenland.
It would not be inconsistent to have the words 'Don't Tread on Me' appear at the end, perhaps with the libertarian porcupine rather than Gadsden's original rattlesnake.
The liberatrian party should change its symbol from the porcupine to the Ankylosaurus. It was never known to be attacked by a T Rex, and like the liberatrian party, extinct.
Reason should go with the stegosaurus, frequently and traditionally depicted as using its plates and spiky tail to defend itself from T. Rex but, in actuality, being separated by over 80 million years and having nothing to do with one another.
Or with whatever dinosaur was a slightly autistic loaner who made fun of all other dinosaurs.
Ah, spinosaurus, good call. 🙂
There's another big storm headed for the East Coast.
It may sound harsh, but maybe God does not want the East Coast to live.
Warmest winter ever.....
WEATHER IS NOT CLIMATE (until it is).
There's more to climate change than global warming.
And it’s driven primarily by solar activity and plate tectonics,
Increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and oceans have been linked to human activity, specifically burning fossil fuels.
That’s nice, but we wouldn’t even have an Arctic ice cap but for the fact the Isthmus of Panama exists. A little bit of carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere at a point when carbon dioxide is at a near low point in the Earth’s 4.6 billion year history really doesn’t matter much.
We wouldn’t even have an Antarctic ice cap if the circumpolar current was cut off, but that’s only been going on some 40 million years.
"A little bit of carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere at a point when carbon dioxide is at a near low point in the Earth’s 4.6 billion year history really doesn’t matter much."
That depends on what is important to you. If sustaining human civilization is your aim, then the earth's climate 4.6 billion years ago is irrelevant. At that time humans didn't exist, let alone human civilization. If your aim is to recreate the earth's climate of 4.6 billion years ago, you need to step away from the keyboard and put more thought into the matter.
Your bloviations here have polluted the atmosphere more than any industrial factory on earth.
You have less knowledge of paleoclimate and geology than you do of politics, and I know your knowledge of politics sucks.
More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a mere 0.04% as it stands now, can only help plant growth and crop yields. If it gets much lower, say 0.015%, plants starve for lack of carbon dioxide. In fact, greenhouses often pump up the carbon dioxide concentration to 0.1% for optimum growth.
"More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a mere 0.04% as it stands now, can only help plant growth and crop yields."
You are assuming temperatures remain unchanged. That's unwarranted as CO2 is one of the greenhouse gases I referred to earlier. It's been widely accepted for almost 200 years now that greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and oceans lead to warmer temperatures. And warmer temperatures mean longer, more frequent and hotter heat waves which our friends in the plant kingdom can't abide, higher CO2 levels notwithstanding. Crop failures mean famine, and mass human migration, which I thought was something you wanted to avoid.
You do realize that it’s been warmer within the past 2,000 years? Both the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period were both warmer than today. It’s when we have cool periods, not warm periods, that we have famine and crop failures. I’d suggest looking into the Great Famine of 1315-1317 before you spot off leftist nonsense again.
Both the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period
Neither relied on the burning of fossil fuels. You are still ignoring the greenhouse gases that will increase the temperatures in the atmosphere and oceans.
" It’s when we have cool periods, not warm periods, that we have famine and crop failures."
These days are record high temperatures. Within the past decade or so we've seen drought and crop failure in Egypt and Syria, leading to unrest, civil war and mass refugees to White Nations. I thought you were against all that. Have you had a sudden change of heart?
Record high temperatures…
Only using records going back a hundred years, maybe 125 years at best in some places, and with interpolated temperatures between that may or may not be real.
By the way, those issues in Egypt and Syria are man made, just not how you claim.
"Only using records going back a hundred years, maybe 125 years at best in some places,"
Still hot enough to trigger famines and civil war. Not to mention the millions of refugees you daily soil your trousers over.
" those issues in Egypt and Syria are man made,"
You're knocking on an open door. I go further and argue that climate change is a man made issue. So, what's your point?
You sound parched. Perhaps you need a large glass of ICE cold H02.
Shut up, Ehrlich.
"There's more to climate change than global warming."
Yeah, mostly assholes writing (failed) predictions, lying in speeches and other assholes supporting them, asshole.
But what else are theater kids good for?
Science with, literally, zero predictive value is not a science.
So I would ask you, if a foreign country bombed our air defense missiles, captured and removed our president, and blockaded our country, would that be considered an act of war?
I mean, if we had Cubans guarding Biden?
Barry Diller wants to buy CNN.
I would prefer if Phyllis did it.
The lady that ruined an episode of Scooby Doo?!
""I will vote no on any legislation that funds ICE until it is reined in and overhauled,"
I would have thought that the low hanging fruit of reining in and overhauling would be the scrapping of the quota system. As I understand, ICE has a quota of 3,000 per day. Cops working under a quota system have long had the reputation for over zealousness and overstepping their remit.
They're not quotas, they're targets.
I'm amused left wingers finally found a quota they didn't like.
" finally found a quota they didn't like."
They're not quotas. They're targets!
Lil Marco and the Neocons wants their war; be it Iran or Venezuela.
TDS-addled steaming piles of lying shits lie, TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit.
Don't worry we'll be dropping bombs on countries soon enough, I know you can't get it up unless the ordinance is droppin.
So sick of this BUYING votes BS.
$1,000 MORE ?free? sh*t from working taxpayers.
F-YOU Trump and everyone else who can't stop STEALING everything in sight.
The nation is literally going bankrupt and all you F'Offs just keep giving away MORE debt.
'Guns' don't make sh*T; Get it through your heads already.
Meanwhile, both agents who fired during Alex Pretti's shooting have been put on leave,
Thank you for dropping the "execution" nonsense.
This tragedy occurred as a result of a deliberate and hostile resistance by Democrat leaders in Minnesota," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said. So much for de-escalation.
It's odd to cite this, and yet never once in the pages of Reason has anyone described calling ICE the Gestapo or non-leftists fascists and Nazis as an escalation. As always escalations, like culture wars, only occur by opposing the left. According to Reason the left itself never escalates or engages in culture wars.
And that totally innocent NURSE was just gunned down by the evil ICE agents!!!!!
Right in the ICU while saving millions of people (from deportation).
Yeah, well Trump said "rats" one time, so it's all even stevens.
According to Reason the left itself never escalates or engages in culture wars.
Again, implicit in the idea that you carry concealed is that you have an additional responsibility for your actions and even the actions of others around you. Despite "MUH INDIVIDYOU-ULL LIBERTEE", your buddy can't pick a fight with someone and you choose to draw your gun and shoot the person in self-defense, let alone blindly spraying bullets at people as you drive by (with or without hitting anyone).
In many places, while people shouldn't have to carry around a card that effectively testifies that they're aware of this, they are required to. The fact that they aren't carrying a card is indication that they don't know or don't particularly agree with or abide the need for that added responsibility. Getting rid of the card doesn't get rid of the responsibility. All it does is erase the distinction between someone who knows their additional responsibility and may've allowed things to get out of hand and someone who is just driving by and spraying bullets at people they don't like.
Maybe in some places, you quite reasonably don't have a problem with people blindly driving by and spraying bullets. But, states as states and America as America and rationality as rationality, you should want to liberate the people peacefully carrying in accordance with their licenses equally far, far more than defending someone who sprays bullets while driving by for not needing a license. The former didn't escalate anything and need peaceful, litigious escalation on their behalf. They, rather explicitly, don't want licenses for you *or* themselves. Rather overtly don't see you carrying without a license as an inherent threat or infraction alone. The latter specifically rejected even pretty simple and peaceful de-escalation techniques.
The "escalation" discussed is blaming Dem officials, not the actual gunfire, so I have no idea how you think any of this is relevant.
The Dem officials DID cause the problem.
I think, or guess, there's some potential loss in ambiguity or talking past each other here.
FOE mentions "feud" above, which to me, connotes two conflicting parties similarly or equally at fault. Similarly, I don't read "So much for de-escalation." as indicting Leavitt or "hostile resistance by Democrat leaders" more or less. "Twice is coincidence", so, maybe I'm reading what Liz wrote wrong.
My point was, a CCW is supposed to be a sort of talisman or badge. A symbol of the "pact" between the left, right, and the individual to de-escalate things. People who own guns could be considered a threat, but people who attain licenses and agree to abide by the laws are not. People outside the pact may not be subject to it, but someone subject to the pact, who agreed to the pact, specifically setting that talisman or pact aside is themselves escalating things... not that Reason would ever state things that way.
The rhetoric from the left or right may've influenced Pretti one way or the other, but he's the one who put his gun on his belt and left his "badge" on the table at home.
FOE mentions "feud" above,
Maybe you meant to reply to him then. The excerpt I posted and responded to is from Suderman and therefore nothing FOE wrote provides context to his comment or my reply.
It remains true that Suderman and Reason generally call out escalations only from Trump / cons. Even when there are far greater examples from the left they are never called out as such and usually as here not even mentioned. The total picture as they paint it consists solely of Trump/con escalations. Dems even blamed Trump's "demonization" for getting this same person killed but to them only Trump's spokesperson's comments are an escalation. They seem incapable of applying consistent standards across the spectrum and anyone not on the left is the Out Group.
a CCW is supposed to be a sort of talisman or badge
Perhaps, I have no opinion on this. But since my comment isn't related to guns I still don't see how any point you make could be related to mine. My point isn't even about the deceased, it's about Reason and other media.
What the Democrats want to do here.
https://x.com/ianmiles/status/2016845338510754005?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
Took droolin' Joe's doppelgangers longer, but they also got far more.
"Spain just legalized 500,000 illegal aliens to “defeat the far-right.”
This is a welcome development. Once upon a time, defeating the far right meant civil war, secret police and totalitarianism. If now it can be achieved with the stroke of a pen, that's a great leap forward.
Asshole, these people think anyone to the right of Pol Pot is “far right”, apparently including you.
If these people can defeat even those slightly to the right so easily, that's fine with me. Civil war and totalitarianism is such a hassle.
get a load of this guy defending the communist side of the Spanish Civil War.
Just amazing.
It was the fascists who crossed the sea and entered Spain thanks to the help of Hitler.
Early intervention helped to ensure the Nationalists successes in the war's initial stages. The training they provided to the Nationalists proved as valuable, if not more so, than direct actions. From 29 July to 11 October the Germans transported 13,523 Moroccan troops and 270,100 kilograms of war material from Morocco to Andalusia; and it was Franco's African forces, thus transported and supplied, which were a decisive factor in the war. Germany signed the Non-Intervention Agreement on 24 August 1936, but consistently broke it. (from wikipedia)
Now defend the Muslim conquest of Spain.
Now talk about the help the Communists got from Stalin.
Did Stalin rely on the use of non White immigrants to fight in Spain? No, he did not. That was the Fascists, namely Franco and Hitler. So when the far right does it, it's suddenly OK? Intellectual coward is what you are. You can't deny it.
What the fuck are you talking about, misconstrueman? That was Spaniard versus Spaniard with help from the outside on both sides (Russian and Western volunteers versus German and Italian).
Do you deliberately spout nonsense?
Sometimes, yes. But not today. Everything I've written here is true. You can't deny it.
So you’re admitting that you’re more trouble than you’re worth and that we should liquidate you democrats immediately?
Fuck off and die.
Please don't use naughty words when responding to me. They hurt my feelings so.
Fuck your feelings.
Rude words are deeply hurtful.
Not so much as being boiled alive in a barrel of acid, right pinko?
Interesting read this morning. History often rhymes.
https://x.com/kurtschlichter/status/2016584955472838709?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
The Weather Underground and their ilk never disappeared or faded away. They just stopped making bombs and went to work for universities instead.
And sometimes hung out with Barack Obama.
The Fed is not doing anything.
My favorite type of quasi-government action: inaction.
'On the one hand, D.C. has no idea what to do with snow. But a giant, ugly slush pile suddenly appearing not far from the White House? You'd think this city would have that down.'
At least Democrats would know what to do: refuse to vote on any more funding bills, and grandstand while blaming snow on white MAGA facsism.
Pretty sure "muddy slush", "ugly slush", and yellow snow is all snow-adjacent and needs to be cleared away too.
hey I was under ice for a week not the scary masked kind did any employee of this place take on the slaughter in Persia? free Persia!
>>Meanwhile, both agents who fired during Alex Pretti's shooting have been put on leave
is this not in the Manual when leo shoots a person?
Right. The ICU Nurse manual doesn't say anything about being put on leave after you deface government property and get your ribs broken by federal agents, so it's obvious that LEOs are always the ones escalating things and systematically oppressing people.
>>Rand Paul grills Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
Rand never recovered from his neighbor's safety blitz ...
Again, there are lots of things Congress *should* be reining in and pickings are slim, but if I have to pick someone to lead the charge by sitting down and talking on camera with The Executive, it would be a "Libertarian-leaning Republican" from a predominantly rural Red (or light pink) State. Beats the fuck out of what's happening in MN.
If there's somebody Rubio *should* be sitting down to have the conversation with, I don't know who it would be. Even Massie has been pretty... sensationalist or provocative as of late. Fetterman?
John N. Kennedy cracks me consistently up I like him.
>>"This tragedy occurred as a result of a deliberate and hostile resistance by Democrat leaders in Minnesota," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said. So much for de-escalation.
yes exactly. the idiots obstructing federal immigration enforcement should de-escalate.
>>The Fed is not doing anything.
finally.
Trump Accounts:
"After a parent opens an account, the U.S. Treasury will contribute $1,000 for newborns. Private banks and brokerages will manage the money, which must be invested in U.S. equity index funds that track the stock market."
Pretty savvy way to direct tax-payer money directly into the equities market, distorting our capital markets.
" Supporters also say the accounts bolster capitalism at a time when openly socialist candidates are growing more popular.
“The answer to more socialism is more capitalism,” Gerstner said at Wednesday’s event. “This makes every child in America a capitalist from birth.”"
^and this part enrages me so much. Funneling a bunch of tax-payer cash directly into the stock market is NOT remotely capitalism. Try again.
>>After a parent opens an account
voluntary exchange.
LOLOLOLOL
It's a handout. It's not capitalism.
subjective
There are about 3.5M babies born in the US every year. That means we are talking about a program that will send up to $3.5billion/yr directly from the US government into the stock market.
It would be hard for me to come up with a program FURTHER from the concept of capitalism.
But I guess you've taken a page from the lefty playbook and decided that the meaning of all words is subjective now.
Uhm... "the U.S. Treasury will contribute $1,000 for newborns"... so tax dollars, not voluntary exchange.
nobody has to open accounts.
Won't be ALL taxpayer dollars...
https://www.newsweek.com/list-of-billionaires-banks-and-businesses-contributing-to-trump-accounts-11435860
Greater than zero taxpayer dollars is too many.
as a libertarian leaning individual, I'm not a fan of incarceration, state-sponsored killings, or criminalizing things that are simply annoying or anti-social. however, in the case of your opening paragraph, I'll make an exception.
Wow.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-judge-dismisses-murder-weapons-charges-against-alleged-ceo-killer-luigi-mangione/ar-AA1VkETI
A New York federal judge on Friday dismissed murder and weapons charges against alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO killer Luigi Mangione, a major blow to prosecutors that means Mangione no longer faces a possible death penalty if convicted.
U.S. District Judge Margaret M. Garnett in Manhattan said she dismissed the murder and weapons charges because they were legally incompatible with the two counts of stalking Mangione faces.