Greenland as a Stress Test for MAGA Loyalty
Brexit leader Daniel Hannan urges Trump voters to hit the exits.
Pollsters have long understood that the act of casting a ballot creates a bond. Once we have voted for a candidate, we feel invested in him. We don't want to admit to ourselves that we might have made a mistake.
Psychologists have lots of terms for the cognitive glitches that make us think this way: post-decision rationalization, dissonance reduction, commitment escalation, choice-supportive bias. But these phrases don't do justice to the sheer intensity of what happened in red states in November 2016. Voters who detested Hillary Clinton were emotionally fused to the man who defeated her. Something similar happened eight years later with Kamala Harris, soldering the attachment more firmly.
I understand it. On three successive occasions, the Democrats put up terrible candidates—a curiously self-indulgent thing to do, given how high the stakes were, but that's another story.
I don't get a vote, obviously—that was settled at Yorktown—but if I had had one, my candidate in 2016 would have been Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico. Still, let's be honest: Reason is perhaps the only serious publication where I can mention a Libertarian Party candidate and expect more than the tiniest flicker of recognition. For most Americans in most states, there were only two plausible candidates, and, having chosen one on faute-de-mieux grounds, they began unconsciously to build him up in their minds.
After all, Donald Trump was delivering on a fair chunk of what he promised. He deported illegal immigrants, stopped appointing left-wing activist judges, moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, cut federal regulations, and said what his voters wanted to hear about trans people. True, his tariffs raised prices and made America less competitive. But in the country with the largest gross domestic product in the world, trade is a small proportion of the economy; a spectacularly dumb tariff policy can be offset by moderately sensible policies on taxation, regulation, and energy abundance.
At the same time, Trump was being attacked, often stupidly and dishonestly, by people whom his voters cordially loathed. We are a tribal species, and each such attack pushed them closer to him.
As time passed, the nose pegs came off. Trump was their guy. Sure, he could be brash, bombastic, boorish. But he was more or less delivering on what he had been elected to do. Who cared about his character failings? When you hire a plumber, do you ask whether he is faithful to his wife, or do you just want to get your boiler fixed?
Trump's character flaws, with all the inevitability of a Greek tragedy, led to the breakdown of January 6, 2021. Everyone knew, his supporters especially, that Trump cannot admit defeat. Whenever something goes against him—a business deal, an awards ceremony, a round of golf—he calls foul and claims victory. Because no one dared check this behavior in him as president, it became more extreme and more destructive.
Will anything turn MAGA against him? I wondered whether, by threatening to annex Greenland, he had found the one issue where his base would not follow him. He was elected as the candidate who would put an end to foreign adventurism, and voters opposed taking Greenland by 71 percent to 4 percent—4 percent being, coincidentally, the "lizardman's constant," the estimated proportion of people in any poll who will give insincere or demented replies. Perhaps that is why, as I write, he seems to be backing down from the demand.
The drama, the neediness, the insistence that owning Greenland was "psychologically important for me," the demented letter to the Norwegian prime minister saying that, because he had not won the Nobel Prize, he might just seize someone else's territory—will his people continue to back him through all that?
Trump's refusal to understand that the Norwegian government does not control the Nobel committee is telling. During my time in politics, I came across this tendency again and again when dealing with representatives of tinpot dictatorships. "Why will you not let British Airways fly to our glorious capital?" Well, they're an independent airline and, if they think the route is profitable, I'm sure they'll put on a flight. "Lies! Why does your government not act?"
The only two examples I can think of where officials blamed the Norwegian government for the prizes were in 1935, when Hitler went ballistic over the award of the Nobel Peace Prize to Carl von Ossietzky, a German pacifist, and in 2010, when China froze relations with Oslo over its award to the dissident Liu Xiaobo. The idea of attacking a country—let alone a different country—over not getting the prize is without precedent.
There is no point in sugarcoating this. The chief executive is unfit for office. His erratic behavior, his inability to distinguish between his public role and his private interests, his determination to subordinate U.S. foreign policy to his personal wants: These things should bar him.
Congress could put a stop to all this nonsense tomorrow. It could reassert its prerogatives over trade policy and cancel the tariffs. It could begin impeachment proceedings on the grounds that the president is no longer compos mentis. But, filled with cowards and flatterers, it hangs back. And so the checks and balances that the founders put in precisely to contain two-bit Caesarists fail for lack of will.
"A republic—if you can keep it." Can you, cousins?
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The 5 Ds of Partisan Hackery
-Dodge
-Duck
-Deny
-Defame
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-Dodge
The one L of lefty bullshit:
Lie. And keep lying.
It's all you have, asswipe.
Yeah, no one's voting for Trump ever again . . .
No need to.
If the republicans win the White House, and keep the house, they can appoint him speaker without a single electoral vote.
Then the President and vice-president resign, and bingo! term three.
(Sleep well tonight, lefties)
Boy, I really hope no one is seriously considering that possibility. Aside from constitutional concerns, Trump has played an important role in changing American politics, which I think needed to happen (even if I don't always love the way it's happening). But he's old and will have had two terms. It will be time for someone else to take the reins.
Why not? The Democrats were pushing exactly this a couple years ago.
Because it was a bad and unserious idea then and still is now.
I wouldn’t worry.
No, it's pretty low on my list of things to worry about. Not going to happen.
I honestly don't think there's a worry from the other direction as well.
Somebody vaguely pointed to health concerns regarding his speech at Davos. I don't know if I'd say health concerns but I would definitely agree that he was muted or lower key. Whether jet lagged or old and tire or he suddenly developed a sense of "statesman-like decorum", I couldn't say.
Going up the chain of succession for a 3rd term would be an arduous task, I don't know that Trump would want it. Regardless of what he may say.
Trump isn't allowed to hold any office that leads to the Presidency after his term, so it's an overwrought concern to troll the left I think.
And trolling the left is fun.
See how fun it is when A dem wins the Presidency and does all the same shit. You will be crying like you do now over Trumps Dick when you gag on it like a good boy
Ltbf, were Trump Speaker of the House (constitutionally allowed) when the President and Vice President resigned, the Presidency would, as laid out in the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 and 25th Amendment, go to the next constitutionally-eligible federal officeholder in the line of succession.
With Trump constitutionally ineligible, it would be the president pro tempore of the senate—traditionally, the most senior majority party senator (currently 92-year-old Sen. Chuck Grassley for the 119th Congress, though a senate majority may appoint someone else), and then the Secretary of State, Treasury Secretary, Defense Secretary (hmmm...no War Secretary in there), Attorney General, and then the rest of the Cabinet positions in order of creation.
Yes, I'm aware that in your information echosphere, there's lots of breathless speculation on getting around that through torturing the words of the Succession Act and 25th Amendment beyond any rational meaning. If such sparkle pony & unicorn fart fantasies are what it takes to let you sleep at night, happy dreams and sleep well.
In 1947, Congress adopted the Presidential Succession Act,10 which provided for the Speaker of the House to act as President11 followed by the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, and then by the department heads in the order in which each department had been established.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Disqualification from Future Office: After conviction, the Senate can hold a separate vote (requiring a simple majority) to bar the individual from holding any future federal office.
You comment: "With Trump constitutionally ineligible . . . " cite please?
As part of the total picture, should have also added the 22nd Amendment to the list of things that must be considered as a whole (not single cherry-picked fragments of factoids):
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice..."
It also allows someone serving more than two years of another's term to being elected only once more, capping total time in presidential office at 10 years.
Given Trump's behavior in only the past year (heck, in only the last week), I don't think even this Supreme Court is likely to uphold any theory in which the constitution grants any president a third term. Two additional years? Slightly more defensible argument but, really, no less implausible. And both are far less plausible than a 25th Amendment Section 4 removal for a disability leaving the president unable to discharge of the duties of the office.
Your loophole arguments (both Speaker succession, and election as VP then removing the president) have been bouncing around your sparkle pony echosphere for many years, and are quite convincing to those who really, really want to believe and think the efficacy of clapping for Tinkerbell was demonstrated in a documentary.
Yes, the constitution can be construed to allow many theoretically possible but realistically impossible things, even more fantastical than your string-and-corkboard succession arguments. If such convoluted torture of words and fantastically implausible, untested-in-court scenarios are what you need to let you sleep at night, well, you be you and believe what you gotta believe...but it's way, way down the list of far more plausible Trump-enabled threats to our American representative democratic republic, that you and your friends could more realistically pursue. It disturbs my slumber not at all.
It does say "elected to the office...", which he wouldn't be if he was appointed speaker. So there's some room for an argument there. That said, it shouldn't and won't happen.
The damage is already done. Trump's actions and the Republican members of Congress unwillingness to stop him has shown the world that the US is an unreliable partner that has no problem violating international agreements. Trump has severely weakened the US on the international stage.
""Trump has severely weakened the US on the international stage.""
Ending American exceptionalism is a lefty philosophy. Shouldn't they be applauding?
"Shouldn't they be applauding?"
They are. You just can't hear it because of the noisy celebrations from China and Russia.
Stupid maga talking points lol@ ending American exceptionalism.
"Trump has severely weakened the US on the international stage."
Oh no!
Anyway...
"The damage is already done"
To what passes for your brain, 混蛋.
The hilarity there is that Trump got what he wanted - much needed bases in the Arctic. And strengthening our standing in NATO. We lead it, because we spend most of the money. By the end of the confab, all those NATO leaders were fawning over Trump.
So, who do you think thinks that “Trump has severely weakened the US on the international stage”? Putin and the ChiComs sure don’t. The Russians have dozens of bases, many quite large, for their roughly half of the Arctic, and China apparently is leasing a base in Norway. My guess is that your talking point was essentially, pushed and maybe funded, by those two countries, our major geopolitical enemies, as is common. And are pushing that meme for their own, well known, geopolitical reasons.
And once upon a time I though Hannon was bright. He has been watching Trump for 10 years and he still hasn't figured out that Trump always throws out an outrageous bid at the start of a negotiation to put his competitor on the back foot, and then gets what he wants.
TACO - he doesn't chicken out unless you are stupid enough to think his first offer is his bottom line. He always gets most of what he is after.
Dan, are you proud of your PM, or is that BM?
and then gets what he wants.
Rather, and then chickens out and pretends that's what he always wanted.
"Trump has severely weakened the US on the international stage"
Kicking your rapist in the head isn't being weakened by any stretch.
Kicking your *"*rapist*"* in the head.
I'm neither seductress nor casanova, but if your communiqe with your rapist shortly after the damage of your rape is done begin with "Dear [rapist]" and invite them to dinner and/or mutual meetings, it's possible no actual rape took place.
Good. Make our "allies" realize we are not a charity. If you want our help, pay us. We are the most benevolent superpower in human history.
Time to end that.
We are the most benevolent superpower in human history. Time to end that.
By becoming malevolent or by no longer being a superpower?
Molly, I don't WANT the United States to be a "reliable partner" with anyone else in the world. If I could wave a magic wand and cancel all foreign treaties and dissolve all military alliances - especially NATO - I would do it immediately. I would like to close all US embassies everywhere in the world and kick all foreign embassies and the United Nations out of the United States.
Of course, that would destroy export-orientated American industry, lead to IP "theft" - it would no longer be theft - on a huge scale. Every single US-originated patent could be infringed upon. Americans would find it difficult to travel abroad and would have no protection if they did.
Perhaps go for 100% self-sufficiency as well.
It is rare to come across a post like yours that is so consistently moronic, so my congratulations to you. Good job.
We’re stronger than ever. He’s certainly turned your ChiCom masters into his bitches.
We most definitely are not.
Fuck off commie scum.
Well, Danny me old son, would you prefer the US buy Greenland or that Russia or Communist China take it by force?
(Military force, or more likely, economic force)
How about neither? There is no indication in the world that either China or Russia have any interest in Greenland. Where do you get this idea, because a senile old man said so.
That just is not true at all.
We’ve been trying to get Greenland for about 100 years now.
Longer. As far back as Andrew Johnson.
How are you always so astonishingly ignorant of both history and international events?
Do you never switch off the CNN? China is all over the arctic right now. It shaves a week and a half each trip and billions in fuel for traversing from there to Europe.
China can't invade Greenland. There is no feasible way for them to get ships there. Flying would also be a bust because cargo planes are easy to defend against.
But the Arctic is only rarely open for shipping, unless you believe the climate change hoax which claims that much of the Arctic is ice-free and navigable.
They don’t need Greenland - they just want the US not to expand our power in the Arctic. It’s the one place in the world that Russia really dominates. They have dozens of bases in the Arctic, many quite large. We have one small one in the Arctic in Alaska, and one in Greenland. And NATO member Canada has several fairly small ones. China even not touching the Arctic, apparently has one in Norway.
Historically, we had bases all over Greenland. Many in the Arctic. We eventually shut them down after WW II, as the action was over - which brings up another point - just as we used bases in Greenland (and Iceland) to limit Germany’s access to the North Sea, we do that now too with Russia. We knew when and where every Soviet ship, and in particularly, submarine, left their bases for the North Atlantic, and when they returned. We some of that after the Soviet Union fell, and we closed a lot of bases there.
So reopen them, obviously - as per treaty.
Parody.
False dichotomy. We can leave Greenland alone AND watch as neither Russia nor China take Greenland by force. Who do you think you're fooling with this childish oversimplistic view of the world you keep fantasizing about?
I'm not trying to fool anyone; I'm looking at the minerals in Greenland, and a globe.
So, Lbtf, just what is it specifically, that you think we in the U.S. might do, but couldn't already do under Article 5 of NATO and the 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement (a mutual defense pact under NATO superseding WWII agreements)?
And that's as not just the sole defender, but one of nearly 30 partners-in-defense, several with far better arctic combat capabilities and transportation infrastructure than our own.
It's not the minerals, it's the ability to monitor polar orbiting satellites, and potentially disarm/destroy them. The minerals are decades away.
This falls on the Republicans. The Democrats took their time but they stepped up and told Joe Biden to step back. Now the Republicans need to do the same. We need an orderly transition to JD Vance, not a chaotic scramble that seems likely to happen sooner rather than later. Joe Biden could not do another 4 years and neither can Donald Trump.
Joe Biden could not do another 4 years and neither can Donald Trump.
You're right, Trump can't do another four years. He has three years left on this term and can't be reelected (see 22nd Amendment).
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha haha!
Uhm, you know there isn't another 4 years for Trump, right?
Don't pretend you don't understand my comments. Neither Joe Biden nor Donald Trump will complete another 4 year term as President Joe is out of the mix but Donald will not finish either. His rate of decline has been increasing since the Alaska summit with Putin. Something happened up there and we are unlikely to know about it till the second Trump administration ends. But I really think that will be far in advance of the end of the term in 2029.
If you choose to be imprecise in your communications don't blame other people for it.
English is his second language. Give him a break.
Trump is slowing down. He is only twice as quick and adept as the best of the Donkeys.
I do not trust the judgments of President Trump's condition made by people who spent four years denying that Pretendent Biden was unfit for office. If you guys cared one whit about the fitness of any particular person for the office, you would have prevented Pretendent Biden from getting the nomination in the first place -- and, barring that, you should have called for applying the 25th Amendment for him.
But you didn't. You assured us he's "smart as a tack" and that Pretendent Biden would mop the floor with Trump in the Presidential Debate. And when it became blatantly obvious he wasn't fit, you guys panicked, and Pretendent Biden's family (in an act of revenge) formally endorsed Vice Pretendent Harris as his replacement.
So, yeah, maybe President Trump's condition is failing. He's still a much better President than Pretendent Biden ever was.
https://babylonbee.com/news/whoops-trump-reveals-hes-actually-been-thinking-of-iceland-this-whole-time
"What? Bjork's from Iceland? Fuck!"
Stick to enabling the invasion of Britain by Muslims and Africans and covering for the mass rape and abuse of native women there through your impotence, stop lecturing others about shit you know nothing about.
This article makes a lot more sense if you imagine it read in a British crumbled empire accent with a muezzin screaming in the background.
If you look at the numbered footprints on the floor it looks a lot like a Walz.
Mr. Hannah, your government is embarrassingly censorious, is floating eliminating most jury trials,, and generally stupidly authoritarian. You are spending billions of public funds houdingillefal immigrants in hotels while beneficiaries harass British school girls. Your current primary "opposition" party has been "me too"ing on much of this agenda. Your Prime Minister and his government are unfit for office.
Clean up your own mess before you presume to give us advice on how to keep our house, thank you very much.
Thank You
So a conservative peer must not comment on US affairs and should limit his criticism to the current (incompetent) Labour government?
The thing about not trying pick out the mote in your neighbor's eye before you deal with the beam in your own.
You started out sort of in the right direction here and then went off the rails. Trump is not incompetent mentally or in any other way. If there's a problem here it's that Trump "wins" regularly after throwing verbal hissy fits because other people LET him win. European leaders learned fairly early in the game not to LET him win. When Trump attacks verbally they dig in their heels and fight back VERBALLY. Then Trump, having gained whatever emotional advantage there was to gain, starts "negotiating." Apparently Reason commentators have not yet learned this.
And wins what he wanted in the first place. Here it was military bases in Greenland. Which he got. End of (this) story.
Apparently you haven't learned that negotiating is exactly what Trump wants.
If Trump would have said "I want a lease for an American base on Greenland and to the island part of the Golden Dome" from the beginning, Denmark and the EU would have burnished their Davos street cred by telling the US to "fuck off".
Trump knows that if he wants something, he needs to start by asking for ten times that.
The other side flips out. They go back and forth, it becomes a huge news story. Finally, they make an offer of exactly what he wanted from the start. Trump's happy and the Eureaucrats get to pretend they saved the world.
Did none of these people read his book?
Did he?
Perhaps he didn't, but it's pretty clear that it explains how he approaches things like this -- and it's also clear he's always been like this, even as a business man.
Why is it a surprise to anyone anymore?
And it's not a "lease". We will own it forever. Get your facts straight.
Trump knows that if he wants something, he needs to start by asking for ten times that.
Addendum to AOTD; he just insinuates it, the media asks if he's so crazy that he might blow us all to kingdom come, and when he shows up and says, "Nah, I just want to buy it." Denmark and the EU are so relieved they ask him out to dinner and the state-aligned media orgs on both sides of the pond look like insane, apocalyptic retards... again.
Trump could easily have set up one or two more bases in Greenland with nary a protest. But he really really wants Greenland, and to think that his desire to own Greenland was merely a negotiating ploy is fuckwittery.
"...European leaders learned fairly early in the game not to LET him win..."
You have an active fantasy life; you should have that checked.
Did you only come to this conclusion now, and not for Biden the senile puppet, cousin? Because that would be TDS, cousin. Maybe your NHS can treat you. And you're a Tory, cousin? Mayhaps you should be held responsible for the Net Zero policies your party supports .... cousin.
Mentioning Biden again. BDS?
At this point I don't care. We had to live through four years of Pretendent Biden lackeys lying about his condition, even if it was obvious for anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.
It's a perfectly valid question to ask "If you didn't care about Pretendent Biden, why do you care one whit about President Trump?"
Are the walls closing in? Is this the tipping point? Perhaps the beginning of the end?
No, no and no.
Is Daniel Hannan a steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit?
Why, yes, he is.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Having celebrated von Ossietzky making Hitler sad in 1935, Lord Hannan should have recalled Norway's Quisling literature laureate Hamsun making Goebbels happy in 1943 by giving him his 1920 Nobel Prize medal.
Good morning RetardGPT.
Having celebrated Trump making the world sad in 2025, Y'all can be happy in 2026 with Venezuelan Nobel Peace Prize winner María Corina Machado giving Goebbels, ummm, I mean Trump, her shiny-object 2025 Nobel Prize, golden-framed medal.
Brother Hannan, fix the beam in your eye.
You've allowed the subversion of Brexit, allowed the destruction of British freedom - right or wrong, your opinion holds no weight.
Now this is how you 50¢
^^^
Not British enough.
Correction...50p
Hannan, why did the Conservatives get absolutely *wrecked* in the last election?
Why does Two-Tier get to be considered a competent leader over there?
Why do you whine about Greenland when your giving the Chagos away to some other country a thousand miles away and then *paying* for the privilege of continuing to administer it?
And lying to your "partner" about the deal.
The UK is an unreliable and superfluous partner.
The UK government desperately needs to be overthrown by patriotic Brits. Then they should slaughter their Marxists and export all the Islamic monsters terrorizing their communities.
LMFAO. Well if the Brexit leader says so.
You have to be fucking kidding me. This must have been Sullums idea.
Foreign elections interference!
Once we have voted for a candidate, we feel invested in him. We don't want to admit to ourselves that we might have made a mistake.
I think Dietrich Bonhoeffer's insight is better. It is not really a matter of lack of will after that investment of a vote. Once we 'voted for the right side' (which acquires power), then it is a basic human instinct to go along with and support that power. We surrender our independence because that's the way we voted - to surrender our independence to the power that won.
So now - we are not interested in listening to reasons why that power might be faulty. We are immune to that and indeed we will resist - to and beyond the point of evil - anything that diminishes that power. The vote itself turned us into an instrument of conformity - of belonging. There is no individual escape. All the media/social manipulation that 'persuaded' us that our particular voting choice was wise - now compels us to 'stay the course'.
And there is no 'solution' in any sense of persuasion or instruction or anything that separates the individual from the now-mob. Consent of the governed MUST become mob-rule once the act of consent takes place. Bonhoeffer described what could positively occur as 'liberation' but if you dig down what he is really saying is 'must be defeated by external forces'.
A video of Bonhoeffer's essay
His word - dummheit - is getting translated into English as stupidity but that is an astonishingly deceitful mistranslation. Stupid simply carries too much baggage and the arrogance of the person who wields that term against others. Foolishness or silliness or stupefaction carries less baggage. Not that baggage is really the problem of comprehension here.
You, sir, invested in a walking corpse in 2020. How did that work out for you? Proud? Denying?
Democrats forced Biden to resign. So one side seems better at it.
Ds propped up a dead man for more than a year and they really didn't force anything. They came to the realization that they were going to lose everything in Congress and chose incumbent self-preservation.
That is why 35 of the 45 critters over age 75 are Ds - and they are all still running. Relieved that they aren't also carrying a dead man as baggage.
And Bidens debate performance could I think be seen as, in Bonhoeffers word, liberation - defeated by external forces.I don't recall how the polls changed but I doubt Ds really changed their vote. Rather Ds and Rs changed their likelihood of voting - and Ds lost 100% of independents should Biden remain on the ballot.
a curiously self-indulgent thing to do, given how high the stakes were, but that's another story
Yes. Yes. Curiously indeed! Probably safe to assume that post-decision rationalization, dissonance reduction, commitment escalation, choice-supportive bias and more had nothing to do with it and queue culturally like a proper British subject.
lol no dude T is aces with his voters. don't believe the hype.
to be fair I'm losing sleep about us forgetting about the Persians again but otherwise A+++
Its like watching an atheist scream what Christians believe.
exactly. tell me about baseball next ...
We don't tell you how to swing a cricket bat. Take your golden snitch and go home.
Struggling to understand how the ranting of some Brit about MAGA is relevant to libertarianism. But do carry on.
Yes, why DID reason pay some British commie to puke out on opinion on this subject?
There is hardly a libertarian in these forums.
Mr. Hannon, I'm afraid, as you can tell from these comments, that Trump could "shoot someone in Times Square", and "grab" these commenters wives, and still not lose a vote. It's a cult.
Any distinction here rests with the posts, not with the comments.
What a retarded assertion from usual leftist narrative buying retard.
Mr Hannon
“Mr Hannon” actually prefers pissants like you to address him as “Lord”
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4905/registeredinterests
You’re welcome, cheerio
It's not a cult. Or at least not a proper cult. Cults involve grape kool-aid in Guyana. Certainly Venezuela is almost close enough but still. How to get them to truly drink the kool-aid?
Mr. Hannon, I'm afraid, as you can tell from these comments, that Trump could "shoot someone in Times Square", and "grab" these commenters wives, and still not lose a vote. It's a cult.
Given Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Rittenhouse, shooting someone in Time Square and becoming more popular seems more objectively prescient rather than necessarily politicizing or self-aggrandizing. Maybe with regard to both comments depending on the lens with which you examine Mangioni's support.
"Congress could put a stop to all this nonsense tomorrow. "
That seems unlikely. Foreign powers, friendly or not so friendly, can't or else have no reason to stop it.
What is the most likely solution? In a country with over 500 million firearms in the hands of the civilian population, the choice is obvious and American as apple pie. We're looking at the Luigi Mangione Option. Mangione achieved brief notoriety a year ago by gunning down a billionaire. It put the fear of God into billionaires everywhere. Once Trump's backers understand that their lives are at stake, Trump will quickly be deposed and replaced.
We already saw this in miniature when Trump's donor class, threatened with losses in the market place, caused Trump to back down from his ludicrous quest for Greenland.
Well lookee here, everyone. Mtrueman, is calling for the killing of Trump supporters "to send a message".
That would be the equivalent of a Yorkie biting a pit bulls paw.
Anyway, I'm not an American, but shouldn't this post be reported to the FBI or the Secret Service? Someone needs to be looking at misconstrueman's D drive, and not just because of the illegal porn.
Given the American propensity for violence and low valuation of human life, the Luigi Mangione Option seems the most realistic and plausible way to remove Trump. If you have another option in mind, you're welcome to share it. I promise not to inform the authorities, even if your solution offends me.
I am not convinced this is a problem in search of a solution. Trump and his blundering are putting the final nails into the USA as world hegemon. Why spoil it all by replacing the clown with someone who just might know what he's doing?
The USA *is not currently* 'world hegemon.
The Europeans saw to that - they bound the US with their 'international law' and Rules-Based Order while simultaneously failing to do anything themselves.
That's why Russia invaded Ukraine - who was going to stop them? A strongly worded letter from France? That's why China has been playing rough with the Philippines - who is going to stop them? A strongly worded letter from Germany?
You know, the countries that are *funding* Russia's invasion of Ukraine? By continuing to purchase Russian fuel? Because they murdered their domestic energy sector?
Those guys are the ones the US has tried to play along with for 50 years and what has it gotten us? Insanity across the world.
Now, I don't like the shit Trump's doing - but at least its not the same shit we already know doesn't work. He's making mistakes - but at least they're novel mistakes.
"That's why Russia invaded Ukraine -"
Why would the US do anything to stop it? Or take steps to solve the problems that trouble Israel and Palestine? Or come to terms with Iran? The Hegemon thrives on violence, chaos and disorder. The more Trump does to weaken, the better.
"the US has tried to play along "
Scratch a MAGA stooge, you'll find a neocon with all his talking points at the ready.
Is this the option you really want to normalize? Apparently yes, considering the successful assassination of Charlie Kirk, the attempted assassinations of President Trump, of ICE agents, of Republican Congressmen playing baseball, of Republican-Libertarian Senators being beaten while mowing lawns, burning American cities, and so forth -- so far, though, Republicans have merely "absorbed" these attacks while Democrats accuse them of "raising the temperature".
Why are you so eager to "normalize" this when, if it does become normalized, Republicans will be going after Democrats?
President Trump coming in and wrecking the fraud and plunder of the American Taxpayer via USAID and other means is the nice option. You and your ilk are lucky that this is the option we've preferred to exercise.
"Is this the option you really want to normalize? "
I didn't say anything about wanting to normalize it. It is a solution, it hasn't been discussed, and it's a good fit for the American psyche and current circumstances.
I never mentioned politicians, but instead Trump's donor class. Up to now they have enjoyed relative anonymity, and are the only voices Trump is willing to listen to.
"Republicans will be going after Democrats?"
The donor class support candidates of both parties. You're being played for a fool if you believe otherwise. They socialize together, attend the same parties, rape the same underage girls, etc etc.
"Given the American propensity for violence and low valuation of human life, the Luigi Mangione Option seems the most realistic and plausible way to remove Trump. If you have another option in mind, you're welcome to share it. I promise not to inform the authorities, even if your solution offends me."
Sure sounds like normalization to me.
Oh, and now that I think about it, I do have another option in mind -- first off, if you really want to remove President Trump, do so by persuading voters that they offer better solutions for this nation than President Trump -- instead of calling his supporters "deplorables" and "Nazis" and expecting them to cower in fear and run out to vote for their abusers.
Instead, the only option you think is "realistic and plausible" is to encourage rich punks with utopia complexes to go out and murder President Trump and his supporters -- an option so "realistic and plausible" that apparently you are completely oblivious to the Civil War it will trigger, one that would make Bosnia look like a walk in the park on a sunny Sunday afternoon in comparison.
And finally, with regards to "Trump and his blundering are putting the final nails into the USA as world hegemon. Why spoil it all by replacing the clown with someone who just might know what he's doing?" -- I cannot help but observe that President Trump is doing far better than his predecessor, who practically gave a green light for Putin to invade Ukraine, who placated the mullahs of Iran, and whose greatest "success" -- the evacuation of Afghanistan -- was such a great blunder, that Democrats did their best to ignore what happened.
I find it funny that President Trump is putting final nails in the "coffin of USA as world hegemon", when it is clear that (1) for all his faults, President Trump at least loves this country, and (2) the Democrats are self-loathing gits who gleefully try to destroy this country every chance they get, and if they can exctract taxpayer money and power over those ungrateful peasants, so much the better!
Y'all tried the Mangione tactic already. How'd that work out for you?
Fight, fight, fight!!
The public reaction was surprisingly positive, don't you think? And the reaction of the donor class and the media showed how fearful they were.
It wasn't just Mangione, was it? And you're willfully blinding yourself to the people -- not just the ruling class -- who were angry that Mangione did what he did.
You are ignoring how the "Mangione option", when applied to President Trump, pretty much sealed his re-election. And you are ignoring how the "Mangione option" has angered millions of Americans when applied to Charlie Kirk.
It's not the successful way to reform American politics that you make it out to be. This is just a hint of how it's backfired for you guys. Why are you still pushing it?
You know the moment you pinkos push to far it that it will be open season on all of you, right? And nearly of those 500 million firearms are owned by Trump voters, so how do you think it will turn out?
What are you going to do with all those guns when nature takes its course and Trump dies a natural death?
Which isn't relevant to the issue at hand, is it? If Trump keels over tomorrow then the whole thing you're gooning over doesn't happen anyway.
Why does President Trump's natural death matter here? His natrual death isn't going to trigger a Civil War, because it's literally nature taking its course.
It is the assassin's bullet that you are advocating for that -- because it involves human intention, and an attempt to destroy our Democratic Republic at that, by annulling the election process through violence -- which would trigger the Civil War.
If President Trump dies of natural causes, we will keep our guns at our side, and be ready to use them if necessary, because we all know that under these circumstances, President JD Vance becomes the next target for assassination.
Which begs the question: If you're so successful in implementing the "Mangione option" on President Trump, what makes you so certain that President JD Vance is going to be a better President than Trump -- and not the evil incarnate President even worse than President Trump that many media personalities are already trying to paint him to be, in anticipation for his running for the Presidency in 2028?
Wow, planning murdering all opposition.
See? My desire is not that unheard of.
Treat progressives as they would treat you...just do it first.
I look forward to chemjeff chastising you for this kind of threatening language.
"...In a country with over 500 million firearms in the hands of the civilian population..."
Most every one of them owned by someone who isn't a lefty asswipe, lefty asswipe.
The firearms are not in the hands of the Biden supporters though . . .
Don't billionaires make it a point to support candidates from both wings of the uniparty?
Are they "making a point", or are they paying "protection money" to be left alone?
It's kindof interesting to see how Microsoft donated almost no money to either Party ... until after the Anti-Trust lawsuit from the Department of Justice. Now Microsoft donates a lot to both Parties.
Because that's the way to get the ear of a president. The wealthy are the only ones the president will listen to and obey. Trump's reaction to the stock market's take on his ludicrous grab for Greenland shows this clearly.
You keep on referring to this "Uniparty" as though President Trump is a part of it -- but after ten years of the "Uniparty" -- both Democrats and Republicans, and many "Deep State" Bureaucrats to boot! -- fighting President Trump tooth and nail, throwing everything possible at him, including criminal indictments and assassin bullets -- it kindof makes it clear that President Trump isn't exactly considered a member of this "Uniparty", but instead, is a disruptor of it.
And what's worse, it's not even so much that President Trump is the disruptor -- rather, it's the voters who are tired of this "Elitist Uniparty" crap, who voted him in office, figuring he'd be their hammer to smash these Elites. And given this last year, he's proven far more effective at that than many of us expected!
DAVOS: THE SHORT VERSION
(NO FLUFF)
(Sorry for the photo, nothing personal to my EU friends)
Let me give you the compressed version of what actually happened at Davos.
Donald Trump
What he said (synopsis):
•America is done subsidizing bad trade deals
•Sovereignty matters more than global consensus
•Greenland is strategic and negotiable
•Leverage beats lectures
Tone:
Direct. Blunt. Very American.
Observation (mine, not medical):
He looked very tired.
Not weak, just worn down.
I genuinely hope he’s okay.
Impact:
He reset the room.
Davos stopped being theoretical.
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The “Fed guy” — Scott Bessent (U.S. Treasury)
What he said (synopsis):
•Markets aren’t panicking
•U.S. debt is fine
•Europe is overreacting
•“Take a breath”
Translation:
America isn’t scared, and we’re not slowing down to make Europe feel comfortable.
Why Europe hated it:
They expected reassurance.
They got dismissal.
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Trade — Jamieson Greer (USTR)
What he said (synopsis):
•Tariffs are not radical, they’re historical
•Free trade hollowed out the U.S. middle class
•Balance matters more than ideology
Translation:
Globalism didn’t fail accidentally.
It failed structurally.
Why Davos didn’t like it:
He challenged the core religion of the room.
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Energy — Chris Wright
What he said (synopsis, reported from closed sessions):
•Energy security comes before climate theater
•Oil and gas still matter
•Supply beats slogans
Important:
These remarks were reported from closed-door meetings.
I cannot confirm a public Davos speech transcript.
Why it mattered:
It exposed the gap between elite narratives and physical reality.
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Howard Lutnick — Commerce Secretary
What he said (reported, not verbatim):
•Europe’s energy policy is delusional
•Coal works when renewables don’t
•America isn’t apologizing for winning
Reaction:
Jeers. Walkouts.
Christine Lagarde reportedly left early.
Was it harsh?
Yes.
Even by American standards.
Was it intentional?
Absolutely.
Sometimes clarity requires friction.
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Emmanuel Macron
What he did (synopsis):
•Warned against U.S. “coercion”
•Framed America as destabilizing
•Played the familiar moral authority card
Reality:
Same speech.
Same posture.
Different decade.
Boring.
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Ursula von der Leyen
What she said (synopsis):
•Europe will lead the “largest free trade bloc in the world”
•Focus on South America / “Latin America”
•Regional partnerships are the future
Translation:
Globalism isn’t dead,
it’s being rebranded.
What this really was:
Globalism light.
Same system.
New label.
America not invited.
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Mark Carney
Now this part matters.
Trump warned Mark Carney to watch his tone in public remarks about U.S. policy.
Trump wasn’t tolerating proxy criticism, even from allies.
His speech was the same as always: Globalist Chit chat
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THE BIG PICTURE (WHY THIS WAS A SMACKDOWN)
Europe wasn’t offended because Americans were rude.
Europe was offended because America stopped pretending.
Davos runs on:
•Polished language
•Managed outcomes
•Consensus without accountability
America showed up with:
•Leverage
•Direction
•Consequences
Yes, it was harsh.
Yes, it was uncomfortable.
But here’s the thing:
After all the outrage…
after all the editorials…
Deals still happened.
Including Greenland.
Yes: Trump and Greenland came to an agreement.
See the structure European leadership?
Try it sometime.
Intent.
Planning.
Action.
Delivery.
Results.
Let me get this straight: a backbencher from Caliphate Island, where you can get arrested for liking the wrong meme, is trying to give us advice on our politics….
He and his entire government should be overthrown and hung on the steps of parliament.
If you take a step back, there *is* a very "refugee" or stranger in a strange land aspect to what he's doing.
Maybe he should chat with some Californians about being chased out of your own country by your own policies and continuing to act like you're the noble, heralded savior of your newfound home. When did the British forget their manners?
"Daniel Hannan is a Conservative Member of the House of Lords and an adviser to the U.K. Board of Trade."
Why is he being published at Reason?
Haha, just kidding, we know why.
Hannon has largely been a strong US supporter. The Greenland gambit turned him, apparently, into a whimpering simp.
It has been a massive eye opener seeing the shear numbers of stupid people who still haven't figured out Trump is the greatest troll ever.
And because of this he keeps achieving and the western world keeps winning despite their sneers and paranoid predictions of doom.
Hey, EU twit,
Pay for your own defense and security!
Stop expecting the USA to protect your A$$!
EU? UK? USA? A$$!
Not only am I disappointed with our president acting like a spoiled brat, but with a paucity of thoughtful comments on an excellent article by Daniel Hannan. I expected more from Reason subscribers.
Hahaha, you "expected more" from Reason subscribers? You're new here, aren't you?
Too much winning by Trump for you?
Again. The only thing that makes MAGA look so good is how horrible [D]emon-rats are.
"True, his tariffs raised prices and made America less competitive."
How does putting a tax on foreign-goods make America less competitive?
Do you think America is 'foreign'?