I Once Supported Regime Change in Iraq. That's Why Venezuela Worries Me.
When we use our military and roll the dice with the fate of nations, the consequences play out in a much longer time frame than social media trends.
As one government official after another talks about regime change and the removal of an awful dictator in Venezuela, you can forgive Iraq War veterans like me for being nervous.
When I contemplated joining the Marine Corps in 2002, I found a similar "humanitarian" case for war compelling: The Iraqi people were suffering under a brutal dictator, and even in the worst-case scenario, removing him would be a net good. What followed was civil war, mass death, swelling ranks of terror groups, genocide, mass rape, and slavery.
Seventeen years after I had that calming thought about removing a dictator, I spoke with a woman in northern Iraq who had been enslaved by ISIS. I was on a United Nations trip through northern Iraq. She told a group of foreign policy analysts how ISIS had slaughtered the people of her town and taken the young girls, including her and her 13-year-old sister, into slavery. After the collapse of the terror state, ISIS-affiliated families like the one she'd been sold to were herded into the sprawling al-Hol refugee camp in Syria, trapping victims and slavers together. A Yazidi smuggling operation found her and smuggled her out. But her sister was still there.
Near where the survivors spoke, their children played and sang along to "Baby Shark." The man who ran the smuggling operation told us there were still many survivors enslaved in these camps. Three years after we spoke, in 2022, a security operation would find six girls chained up in al-Hol, subject to rape and torture—eight years after they had been captured.
"Why are we not having enough attention from your side?" he asked. "We have a high number of survivors, people in mass graves. Why don't we have assistance?" But the news of the genocide was years old at that point, and Americans were tired of the endless horrors of the Iraq War, the human wreckage as uninteresting to us as our responsibility for what happened in the first place.
Do I think all that will happen in Venezuela? No. I honestly have no idea what might happen in Venezuela, though the current crackdown by the regime, with journalists jailed and counterintelligence scouring people's social media accounts, is an ominous early sign. I've long studied the region, and I've written about the violence and drug trade along the border with Colombia, but I couldn't even begin to speculate about all the ways this could go haywire. Those spiking the football should remember that when we use our military and roll the dice with the fate of nations, the consequences play out in a much longer time frame than social media trends.
I'm hoping for the best. I have Venezuelan friends who are delighted and are hoping for a transition similar to what happened after the assassination of Rafael Trujillo in the Dominican Republic. In the aftermath, figures from the dictator's administration took control, but under steady foreign pressure, gradually liberalized. But as the historian of modern Latin America Mark Healey has told me, even "the relatively soft post-Trujillo transition included significant bloodshed, a diplomatic crisis, multiple coups, and a US invasion". Nonetheless, when a Venezuelan friend tells me about his former students and colleagues who had been killed peacefully protesting Nicolás Maduro, I understand why he supports what we've done.
But when you launch military action in an unstable part of the world long beset by violence, there isn't really a bottom to how bad things can get. And rather than offering a serious plan for a stable future, we're already threatening other countries. President Donald Trump has revived talk about taking Greenland from our NATO ally, Denmark. When asked about possible military action in Colombia, another long-term ally and one whose assistance would be an essential part of any serious policy in the region, the president said, "Sounds good to me."
Tough talk, but unlikely to engender trust in the region. And the recent seizures of tankers, along with the president's public statements suggesting a naked greed for oil, are certainly provoking moral repulsion.
As the analyst Kori Schake has argued, American power in the wake of World War II was remarkably cost-effective because it rested heavily on agreed-upon rules and consensual participation. "No dominant power," she wrote, "has ever had so much assistance from others in maintaining its dominance." If the only substitute the Trump administration has for getting willing cooperation from our allies is cooperation at the barrel of a gun, America will rapidly become a much diminished thing. Not just weaker, but also contemptible.
But it isn't even the potential downsides to Venezuela and the surrounding countries that worry me so much as what our president, high on the success of a brilliant military operation, might do next. In his first year back in office, we've already struck Iran and Venezuela without even trying to go through Congress and establish democratic support for war, the most dangerous and morally consequential thing a country can do, and which, for precisely that reason, our founders made the responsibility of the legislature.
Going forward, how often will Trump roll the dice this way? And if we continue to allow an unrestrained president to initiate acts of war against other countries without debate or authorization, how long before the whims of one irresponsible man lead to genuine disaster?
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>>When we use our military and roll the dice with the fate of nations
generations of Venezuelans freed ... 180 seconds of military
Freed...from what? The same shitty regime is still in power, just minus one person. It would take a ground invasion to get rid of those fucks, and whenever we've tried that in the past it ends up fucked.
Hey sarc. Is there an election in 25 days?
Yeah, the Sunni- Shia-Kurd conflict in Venezuela makes it ungovernable, as does their tradition and belief in rule by Sharia law
Why is it published in Reason magazine? There is no single reason to contemplate that the recent capture of the head of a criminal gang who drove 8 million citizens from their country has anything to do with regime change.
I was disgusted with the GWB administration's lies and later with enormous expenses on the Iraq war and can understand the feeling but might it be discussed separately without making ridiculous assumptions that that war has anything to do with a peacemaking and normalization process that started after the 2024 election?
"We are going to run the country until such time as we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition."
-Donald Trump
Certainly sounds like regime change.
Well, regime change usually means installing an interim government or invading the country. We don't see anything similar to Vietnam, Grenada or Iraq.
There is no attempt to bring the armed forces into the process, making it look more like a push for a gradual change. Something that Reagan and Congress did when there was a push to relax the Soviet Union's immigration policy. Trump already mentioned the need to provide food for the population, restore its economy, etc. Reminded me of the so-called "Bush legs" as Russians called the food parcels from the US (popular term in Russia for large, frozen chicken leg quarters, named after President George H.W. Bush due to their arrival as food aid in the early 1990s.
That policy turned two former enemies into pretty good friends, for a short while, though.
A more gradual waste of taxpayer money rebuilding another nation is still nation building. The only reason to bailout the Soviet Union was to secure their nuclear arsenal, otherwise it would have been better to have let them collapse completely instead of trying to manage it. All we got for our good will - after a century of them trying to destroy our way of life with communism - has been to have them spit in our face, blaming us for all their problems. Then we wouldn't need to be wasting even more taxpayer money defending Ukraine.
Nope bad policy to nation build. And it is still left up in the air whether Trump commits the 20k or so armed forces already stationed outside Venezuela on a "peace keeping" mission. Better to start yelling loudly that this is bad policy before he blunders America nto another quagmire. The only way to stop this before that is to make all the politicians know they will lose any support.
Also how much money has the USA now wasted in South America over the last 5-7 decades or so and for what? Leftist control of the continent.
First, I am not sure your are aware of the National building cost. Newsweek estimates that 14 trillion with T was spent on Iraq and a less expensive Afghanistan war. One day attack? Our annual defense budget is less than 1 trillion. Do your math. Right wing candidates supported by ...you guessed it, right?
Second, you seem to be ignorant of what happened between Russia and the US in the last 35 years. Nuclear arsenal, yes, but who spent $5B on orange revolutions in Russia's backyard. Imagine Russia doing something similar trying to overthrow Mexican government?
And finally, the speaker of Venezuela parliament just announced something extraordinary. Learn about it before panicking.
P. S. There's a joke going around: Democrats saying 1) that bloody dictator forced 8 million out of the country; 2) let him go back!
Oh, I forgot to mention two recent elections in LatAm. Have you seen who were the winners?
Oops...the sentence about right wing candidates jumped from the bottom of the comment and ended in the middle.
Of 'When you follow the cult versus when you follow the hope that was and remains a constitutional republic ... of limited government.'
If the only substitute the Trump administration has for getting willing cooperation from our allies is cooperation at the barrel of a gun, America will rapidly become a much diminished thing. Not just weaker, but also contemptible.
This is why I am, perversely, optimistic that there won't be much of consequence that results long-term. The decline of an empire's power may be like Hemingway's observation of bankruptcy - How did you go bankrupt? Gradually. Then suddenly.
For a long time, we've been in the peak phase or the 'gradually' phase. Where we have power and options and it is very easy to wreck everything nearby. Hell that is evidence that we are indeed at the top. We are alive and dangerous - fuck you. In that environment, we can identify enemies everywhere and believe they are real. Once we tip into suddenly, things are different. At that point, it doesn't matter what we think. We're walking dead and the only, now idle, question is who's gonna eat your corpse.
We have tipped into the suddenly - for a couple years now. On the bright side, again idly, I think it's a pretty peaceful world outside the problems we ourselves have created. No one will mourn the end of American power - or celebrate what we may have accomplished (since we are pretty much self-immolating it all). Nor does it appear to me that there is a lot of danger in that power vacuum.
What really happened in Venezuela? Nothing. The VP is now acting Prez and everything else is in place. The US will steal some oil. No exiles will return. Nothing changes. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
"I think it's a pretty peaceful world outside the problems we ourselves have created" - if we forget about quite a few bloody conflicts that we helped to mitigate last year, and a dozen still active around the world.
SA vs UAE in Yemen, Sudan and a few more in Africa, on and off fighting in Asia.
Certainly, one needs to read dw.com or Aljazeera to be aware of them, as the local news channels remind me of the New Yorker front page map with Manhattan taking half the page, the Hudson River and NJ a quarter, and the rest of the world the remaining part.
As I said - a pretty peaceful world overall. In the 20th century, there were roughly 250 million deaths caused by war. In this one, there are four so far with more than 500k - three of which were made worse by us and likely wouldn't have happened without us.
There's also a pretty dishonest or "morally ambiguous at best" conception of "We ourselves have created."
I'm getting to be pretty old. I'll take credit for the AUMF and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq even though I opposed the nation building then, specifically voting for the LP after Bush committed to it (and creating the DHS, the largest expansion of government then-to-date). But that's more-or-less in bed at this point. Similarly, even though I opposed our involvement in Ukraine/Crimea even during the Obama years, I'll accept Ukraine as being on "my/our" plate too.
But pretty much every line drawn around Israel/Gaza that isn't Oct. 7 (which would, conceptually, fall on one of my kids' plates), absolutely predates me and, depending on how exactly you draw lines, nearly predates my father. Similarly with Turkey, Syria, and Iran.
Ultimately, it's exceedingly retarded and divisive in a very tribal/racial/nationaiist sense to say that I, or my children, are responsible for conflicts that started in my father's and grandfathers' generations, which they weren't directly a part of, and possibly/probably even opposed. And that's not a '[shrug emoji] whaddyagonnado?', that's a perpetuating blame in any direction doesn't fix anything and frequently is used as justification for more violence.
But then, we're talking about whatever was written behind a grey box, so whomever wrote it doesn't really care about who's really at fault or actually participated in anything or saving lives or advancing liberty or peace or anything of the sort. They're more of a divisive, corrosive, demon wailing or whispering to dull men's minds and corrupt their spirits in order to turn them against one another.
We entered the "gradually" phase with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but not because of what's in this article: instead, because we spent $trillions, ballooning the debt, which we haven't recovered from 25 years later. Now we're massively saddled with debt and entering the "sudden" phase because the guy who campaigned on shrinking the government is now blowing up the debt massively. We're going to be like Japan.
Meanwhile the gov't is burning down all the soft power the US has and threatening allies and enemies alike. As our wealth diminishes due to debt, we will find ourselves alone.
Russia too is fucked. Its economy has shifted to a military economy and its civilian economy is crumbling. Oil revenue is in the toilet with low oil prices + Ukraine's kinetic sanctions enforcement, and longer term, the world switching to EVs (25% of new vehicles sold worldwide and growing at 30% YoY).
China is the main benefactor of the US and Russia fucking up. It's gone all in on new tech: semiconductors, batteries, robotics, high tech manufacturing. Completely automated dark factories churn out cars at half the price as US auto-makers do. And the US's response is protectionism instead of competition so we have no chance of catching up.
The 20th century was America's. The 21st is China's.
Soft power. So usaid supporting leftist shit. Got it.
Yet you scream about tariffs which is a form of soft power that doesnt involve spending tens of billions a year to other countries lol.
And your understanding of china's technology level is quite ignorant lol. Most of their status in the sectors you mention comes from market capitalization of metals while you ignore most of this capitalization is false due yo regulatoons here that discourage domestic resources gathering. You even cried about investments in mining companies by the US ignoring that is exactly what china is doing lol.
Your understanding of every topic contains zero thought or structure. Hilarious.
Serious ignorance here
Now we're massively saddled with debt and entering the "sudden" phase because the guy who campaigned on shrinking the government is now blowing up the debt massively.
The debt was foretold the minute we chose to have the dollar as the reserve currency at Bretton Woods in 1944. Triffin dilemma. Reserve countries start as the mighty creditor - end as the debtor. That 'exorbitant privilege' is the ability to issue debt at a low cost because the currency is in demand. The reserve issuer always takes advantage of that and can't control themselves and lives beyond their means. Until that ends and is forced to live well below their means.
We're going to be like Japan
If we're lucky.
The 20th century was America's. The 21st is China's.
Certainly the 21st won't be America's. I doubt the Chinese will get through their problems. I'm not sure anyone even wants to be a hegemon except maybe Russia and they are declining fast. Maybe that changes with a power vacuum.
Yeah man!
Demise of USA? Yes! Good editorial imported below, imported to spare you the commercials…
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5668693-america-decline-trump-exposed/
The American empire has entered its final act
by John Mac Ghlionn, opinion contributor - 01/02/26 11:30 AM ET
President Trump promised restoration — twice.
The first time, he vowed to “drain the swamp,” revive American industry, tame debt, rebuild trust, and restore pride. The second time, he returned with a sharper edge and a louder voice, insisting that only he could finish the job he claimed had been sabotaged the first time around.
What MAGA voters received instead wasn’t renewal, but a grim revelation. The failure was never just Trump. He was the messenger. The problem is that America no longer has the political, economic or cultural capacity to deliver restoration at all.
Trump’s first term was sold as a corrective. A wrecking ball swung at elite incompetence. Yet by the end, the swamp was deeper, the debt was larger, and the institutions Trump railed against weren’t dismantled but further exposed as ineffective and untrustworthy. Manufacturing never returned at scale. Infrastructure week became a punchline. Trade wars amounted to economic self-harm, raising costs and squeezing the very American workers Trump was elected to protect. The federal debt kept climbing, with little to show for it beyond tax cuts that failed to deliver the promised economic revival.
Still, many believed a second term would be different, informed by experience and tempered by past mistakes. They were wrong. If anything, it has been worse. Not because Trump changed, but because the country has weakened further — and no amount of bravado can reverse structural decline.
America is approaching its 250th birthday. That is no small achievement. Empires rarely last that long. It has been a remarkable run. But longevity doesn’t guarantee vitality. What once powered American dominance — productive labor, demographic confidence, institutional trust, and cultural gravity — is steadily eroding.
Start with debt. The U.S. now spends more paying for its past than investing in its future. Deficits are no longer cyclical responses to crisis but permanent features of governance. Each administration borrows against the future, knowing the bill will come due long after the speeches fade. Trump didn’t reverse this pattern. He accelerated it.
Then, there is soft power. In the 1990s, America barely had to assert itself. It set the terms by default. Its universities drew in the world’s brightest students, who stayed, built companies, and extended American influence without a single treaty. Hollywood dominated global culture, exporting not just films but attitudes, language and aspiration. American media framed global debates. The dollar was trusted. American leadership, while imperfect, felt assured.
That world is gone. Elite universities are now met with suspicion rather than admiration. Hollywood lectures more than it entertains and no longer commands global attention. Alliances wobble as partners hedge, diversify, and quietly prepare for a future less dependent on Washington. Institutions built to amplify American authority now expose its inconsistency and short attention span. Trump didn’t create this erosion. But he has done little, if anything, to arrest it.
At home, the social foundations are cracking. Fewer young Americans are working. Not transitioning between jobs — simply not employed at all. Many move between credentials and gig work, lacking direction and long-term footing. Marriage rates are collapsing. Birth rates are falling below replacement. These trends are linked. When stable work is harder to find, forming relationships becomes harder, commitment harder still, and raising a family nearly impossible. With AI accelerating job insecurity rather than easing it, the trajectory only points in one direction.
Supporters will object that these trends are global. They are right. Europe is aging. East Asia is shrinking. Birth rates are falling almost everywhere. But comparison is not consolation. The fact that others are declining too does nothing to change America’s course.
Trump promised to fight decline with force of will. That was always the fantasy. Decline rooted in demographics and cultural fragmentation can’t be reversed by rhetoric alone. It requires long-term discipline — precisely what American politics no longer rewards.
MAGA voters wanted a reckoning. What they got was exposure. Exposure of how little leverage the presidency now holds. Exposure of how weak Congress has become. Exposure of how addicted the economy is to cheap credit and imported labor. Trump raged against the machine, but governed inside it, constrained by the same incentives and pressures that have limited every modern presidency.
The harder truth is that even a more effective Trump would have been unable to meet promises of that scale. You can’t restore a mid-century industrial base in a post-industrial economy with a single leader. You can’t rebuild trust through permanent outrage. You can’t borrow your way back to greatness.
America is not falling tomorrow. It is settling into managed decline. Each generation inherits a narrower set of possibilities. Boomers dreamed big. Gen X sought security. Millennials adjusted to constraint. Gen Z dreams of not becoming homeless.
As the country approaches its quarter-millennium mark, the temptation is nostalgia. Flags. Fireworks. Familiar speeches about destiny. But history is not sentimental. Civilizations peak, plateau, and pass the baton. America may not be finished, but it no longer defines the age.
Trump didn’t save America. He didn’t destroy it either. He revealed it. And what he revealed is a nation exhausted, indebted, aging, and divided — still powerful, still wealthy, but no longer confident in its future.
John Mac Ghlionn is a writer and researcher who explores culture, society and the impact of technology on daily life.
Did you support 'regime change' or did you support 'nation building'?
Because we accomplished the former in Iraq and fucked up the latter.
Regime change is actually easy. Trying to mold the remains into a modern western democracy is impossible.
The latter will continue to be a F'Up until people/D.C. starts to realize...
It isn't 'democracy' that made the USA great.
Including; The 'nation building' right here in the USA.
Regime change is actually easy.
And actually, as long as one doesn't confuse their own retarded ideology with (marxist) revolutionary anarchy or cowardly pacifism or stubborn or even malicious or dishonest intransigence, exceedingly libertarian.
Certainly a case to be had that we shouldn't be policing all the world's dictators with constant regime change, but (the underlying idea that *we* shouldn't be policing the world is really only a policy issue if you fundamentally oppose globalism and) when it's so 'least burdensome' to do so, it's hard to say you seriously support libertarianism or the advance of liberty without doing so.
Even if you (they) only get 1/10th of the liberty the Founding Fathers secured for their (our) country, it took less than the total amount of time it took to throw the tea into Boston Harbor.
The fact that we're *sooo* concerned about regime change in Venezuela while irregular American forces continue to fight in Ukraine and EU/NATO leaders continue to try and poison the deal to secure peace is exceedingly dishonest. Ukraine was a shithole that America was regime-changing *and* trying to nation build before Putin invaded Crimea. Our regime-changing and nation building is the, genuine or just the cover of, justification for his invasion.
Indeed. It's way harder to pull the criminal-Socialism out of the people than it is to pull one Socialist-Dictator out of the Socialist Hellhole.
I also worry that the root motivation in all of this is the Socialist History of 'conquering and consuming' other nations (oil) but until that presents itself clearly I'll pass on the fear mongering about it.
I worry about escalation.
I worry about warmongers having Trump's ear.
I'm glad that the operation was successful, although I would not have advocated the operation in the first place.
I'm mad that there was not a approved authorization of force from congress for this operation.
I'm mad that this is not unique to Trump, but standard for all presidents since the end of WWII.
I hope that conditions for the masses of common people in Venezuela gets better.
I believe that Maduro was a dictator, but would not have authorized the operation to removed him.
I believe that we should not be involved in the affairs of other nations.
I believe that if we need to attack another country, that we should get in and then get out quickly. No nation building. 20 years in Afghanistan to only return power back to the Taliban. Much better to attach if we must (with a formal declaration of force or war) and then get back out. If we have do go back in again down the road, then we do it again. This way we break less things, don't need to rebuild as much, don't lose the citizens so they can clean up their own governments.
Now that Maduro is out, it's best to let Venezuelans govern themselves with minimal involvement from the United States. Hopefully it will not escalate and conditions get better.
Amen. To every point.
I have to wonder what happens if you do a 1990 Panama style extraction.
Not every snatch has to include an occupation.
Not to say snatches are okay, but Noriega was, historically speaking, a non-event and I have to wonder if Venezuela will do okay if this is all there is.
If not, lather, rinse, repeat until it is?
Now, who's opinion of what "okay" is will vary wildly. Some people think "okay" includes Western-friendly government and the relative calm of Egypt under the Muslim Brotherhood suggests that need not be an absolute MUST.
"No dominant power has ever had so much assistance from others in maintaining its dominance."
While I think I understand where the author here is coming from, the implied assumptions are that the United States should be a "dominant power" in the world. Forgotten in all the hand-wringing is that dominant powers have always been and, I suspect, always will be "damned if you do and damned if you don't!" Unspoken in the quotation is that Europe, for example, was so willing to assist in maintaining our dominance because they benefitted royally from our cash subsidies to them. They laughed all the way to the bank as we bankrolled their socialist government programs and let them off the hook for their military defenses, while they not-so-secretly despised us. This has proven to be just as socially destructive to Europeans as invading Iraq was to the Iraqis. The third alternative to being the world police or paying for a non-existent peace is - do nothing! Instead of regime change we should be pursuing systematic "minding our own business" ...
Yes, I've always been in favor of a Mind Your Own Damn Business Party. As long as it includes domestic business as well as foreign.
So elections don't matter and narco-terrorists can operate freely so long as they sufficiently control the locals? Stunning and brave there.
So far this is not nation building as the entire infrastructure for Venezuela is still intact.
Is it intact? Why would they release political prisoners as was announced today? The system seems to be in a controlled downfall. And this is much better than complete chaos or the unskilled but with good intentions Nobel Laureate heading the government (like it was in Myanmar, for a short period.)
Why don't we wait and see how they transform under pressure. Iran may provide some examples.