Trump Shouldn't Take Election Advice From a Russian Dictator
While mail-in voting provides obvious logistical challenges, every serious analysis of mail-in voting results has found it to be secure.

After providing his red carpet welcome to Vladimir Putin in Alaska last month to discuss ending the Ukraine war, President Donald Trump oddly and approvingly quoted the Russian leader's advice for the United States. The American Nobel Peace Prize-seeker didn't seem too concerned about the fairness of any potential deal to carve up Ukraine at Russia's behest.
But Trump was fixated on the supposed lack of fairness of U.S. elections, even though he won two of them (and claims to have won three). In an interview with Fox News, Trump echoed Putin's words: "He said: 'Your election was rigged because you have mail-in voting…It's impossible to have mail-in voting and have honest elections.'" Trump also repeated Putin's bizarre claim that the United States is the only nation that uses a mail-in process.
Given that Russia stepped up its Ukraine attacks shortly after Trump boarded Air Force One, he might have realized that Putin might not be an honest broker—let alone a font of electoral wisdom. Simple research shows 34 countries or territories have some mail-in voting and—in an amazing coincidence—that list largely mirrors those countries that are freest, wealthiest and most democratic.
Even the U.S. State Department questions the Russian leader's commitment to democracy: "Putin's pre-determined victory was no surprise—although the 87% of the vote that he supposedly won is farcical," even in the context of intimidation and repression. He's been president or prime minister since 2000.
Not that the Constitution seems to matter much to our administration as it stations federal troops in U.S. cities, but Trump's plan to outlaw mail-in voting by executive fiat is in flagrant violation of the founding document. As legal scholar Rick Hasen told PBS, "An executive order is an order to the executive branch as to how to carry out the laws. It's not a royal edict."
Article I, Section 4 explains, "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof." That section allows Congress—not the president—to alter federal-election rules, but it's solely for congressional elections and, to quote UCLA's Hasen again, is allowed in the context of, say, enforcing "the 15th Amendment to bar race discrimination in voting."
Trump also has vowed to implement a Voter ID system, as he scribbled on Truth Social: "Voter I.D. Must Be Part of Every Single Vote. NO EXCEPTIONS! I Will Be Doing An Executive Order To That End!!!" Again, Trump really can't implement this edict without congressional approval, but the whole voter-ID idea is a canard—albeit one that conservatives champion as if it's a groundbreaking endeavor.
Here are a few more facts that Trump-channeling-Putin would never share with you. While mail-in voting provides obvious logistical challenges, every serious analysis of mail-in voting results has found it to be secure. "Despite this dramatic increase in mail voting over time, fraud rates remain infinitesimally small," according to the Brennan Center, with fraud rates of around 0.00001% of votes cast.
Even conservative groups that push the voter-fraud narrative can only manage to put together a list of anecdotal evidence. Well, sure voter fraud does happen. I grew up in Philadelphia in the 1970s, where it was an art form. That was well before widespread mail-in balloting. But the whole mail-in-voting-equals-fraud nonsense gained legs in 2020 when Trump was trying to steal an election he lost. He disreputably convinced his followers that every election MAGA loses is fraudulent, thus leading to much election distrust today.
I was furious when Gov. Gavin Newsom, as part of his COVID-19 executive-order excesses, unilaterally imposed a vote-by-mail system. Not that there's anything wrong with the resulting system. I like the ability to review California's initiative-filled ballots at the kitchen table and cast my vote that way. But the Legislature fixed his overreach by passing mail-in voting in the proper manner.
California's vote-counting is notorious for taking weeks to get results, but that's a function of screwy deadlines rather than the mail-in balloting itself. If you hear anyone claim that mail-in voting is the reason for the California Republican Party's continuing woes, you can assume that person is delusional.
Furthermore, virtually no one commits voter fraud by showing up at a polling station and claiming to be someone else. Voter ID laws have done little to combat fraud, although I support them (provided they accommodate those without driver's licenses) to bolster confidence in the system. Some California Republicans are pushing an initiative to require it, which is fine—but it's basically about political posturing rather than election reform.
You're obviously free to vote for MAGA candidates who cynically use the election-integrity argument, just as you're free to vote for presidents who take Putin's election advice. Just don't go thinking that doing so by mail or without an ID makes any difference in the final count.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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In-person voting with proof of identity as a resident citizen. Ballot itself is anonymous.
Neocon policy wonks angry that Russians aren’t voting for a lame horse like Yeltsin so they can continue the eastern Europe globohomo expansion unchecked?
Scumby-Chump blames globo-homos for MURDERING erection opponents of Trump-Bussom-Buddy SNOT-a-DickTator Puke-Face Putin, such ass Alexei Navalny! (I bet Trump wishes that He'd have been able to get the same thing done with Pence, General Milley, Biden, Pelosi, Kamala, etc. Hang Mike Pence, etc.!)
WHY did globo-homos murder Alexei Navalny, Satan, WHY?
(That's twat Little Cindy Lou-Who, Who was No More Than Two, asked of Satan-Claus, by the way, for those hopefully-few of you who brutishly and snootishly sneer, "Dr. Seuss; DR".)
Begone demon.
Greenhut wants his akita to get a vote
The idea that vote by mail can be secure is a joke, it must be. Even voting in person provides no guarantee that the ballot I marked will ever be counted. I came up with a better way.
* You mark up a computer ballot. The computer shows a receipt which has all your choices, identifies the polling station, and adds a random ID and a crypto hash. You can take a picture of it, or it can send a copy to your smart phone, and anyone can write an app or website which verifies the crypto hash on the receipt. Nothing on the receipt identifies the voter, not even the time of day.
* Every polling station has watchdogs who report, in real time, every time someone votes. Just that, nothing more, nothing to identify voters, just to count them and log the times. As many watchdogs as possible, and if there aren't at least three, from different parties, then no one can vote.
* When the polls close, all ballot receipts are published on a website. This allows two things: every voter who wants to can verify that their receipt shows up, and everyone can add up the votes.
* The crypto hash makes it impossible for any outsider to forge or alter ballots.
* The watchdog logs of when people voted make it nearly impossible for any insider to add fake ballots.
* A conspiracy between watchdogs and insiders is possible but very unlikely. It assumes all official watchdogs are involved, that no unofficial watchdogs are outside the polling station, and that none of the conspirators snitches. The real time logs mean that sneaking in very many fake extra ballots would show up; in a busy polling station, there would be no time to process that many extra real voters; in a small town with few voters, the sudden increase would stand out; and in an active but slow polling station, the real voters would complain it wasn't that busy when they were there.
* Challenging a published ballot receipt which doesn't match the voter's copy does require showing your ballot receipt and telling the world how you voted. But throw in a hefty fine, like $1000 or $50,000, and most people would think that worth the publicity.
I usually cast an interesting vote each time and am able to confirm one vote in my town went that way.
Or bring back open (i.e. non-anonymous) voting. Show up at the polling place and stand by the candidate of your choice, to be counted and recognized.
Nothing in the Constitution guarantees anonymous voting (or voting in general).
Anonymous voting allows voters to choose whether to publish their votes or not. Forced public voting does not.
The ultimate forced public voting is for every voter to sign up with anyone, and to be able to change their affiliation at will. From there, you have several choices:
* A pure democracy, where everyone votes how many people have pledge to them, even those single voters who pledge to themselves.
* A representative democracy, where only the top 100 vote-holders can vote.
* How frequently can voters change their pledges? Once a day or week seems easier to tally than instantaneously.
Ah yes, the Fallacy of Origins argument from Mr. Greenhut.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t68aaonSrxA
"I like the ability to review California's initiative-filled ballots at the kitchen table and cast my vote that way."
There is no reason you cannot review the measure at the kitchen table and vote at your polling place.
"I grew up in Philadelphia in the 1970s, where it was an art form. That was well before widespread mail-in balloting."
That really is not a good argument for making ballots less secure from voter to counting.
Ah yes, the Fallacy of Origins argument from Mr. Greenhut.
I was out at the "No true Scotsman could find fault with mail-in voting." in the subheading.
It's not honest debate or even an objective libertarian analysis, not even as a pretense. It's blathering stupidity that's more costly and cognitively impairing than a "SG,DR;".
It's not honest debate or even an objective libertarian analysis, not even as a pretense. It's blathering stupidity that's more costly and cognitively impairing than a "SG,DR;".
"Hey Reason readers, whatcha doin'? Thinking about how unquestionably secure mail-in voting is?"
Fuck you, Greenhut. Go ask Taddy Mason if he'll donate to Reason.
Just a reminder that a fucking dog voted.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/dog-registered-vote-election-orange-county/3822244/
Akitas should be permitted to vote.
One dog kills Greenhut’s article. One tweet killed Welch’s credibility.
Welches credibility was dead long before that tweet
Who needs evidence that mail-in voting is secure, when we have Putin and his lapdog saying it isn't?
Trump says it, so the cultists believe it.
Kill yourself.
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant, serpent, and slurp-pants (pants-slurper) of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Whose tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Signed, Yours Truly, Heaven-on-Earth-Based Skeptic of Servants, Serpents, and Slurp-Pants of the Evil One
Hey shrike. We already know it isnt secure. 2 different elections have been redone due to fraud. Many people in jail for mail in fraud.
But Maddow says it isnt an issue so you run with it.
But stay retarded.
Who needs evidence that SRG could use more than one brain-cell he has, when the TDS-addled shit-pile posts stuff like this.
The government is corrupt and corrupting to the point that the psychology and medical community are coddling children's (parents') castration fantasies, DAs are openly bragging about letting violent and destructive criminals out of prisons and into communities *and* prosecuting their non-violent political opponents *at the same time*, the public health community is not-really covering up the fact that it started the latest pandemic to which it tried to force everyone to get vaccinated *and* censored legitimate medical dissent on social media, censorship perpetrated with the aid of Federal law enforcement that was also engaged in the fabrication of evidence used in some of the wrongful prosecution above...
But the post office that's been a classically and widely inept, mismanaged jobs program run by the government since at least Fred Smith's founding of Fed Ex (if not back to Lysander Spooner and before) is secure. You have my word on it. - Steve Greenhut
There are three reasons to hold elections with broad participation.
The first is based on the idea that input from all citizens will yield optimum decisions. But any objective analysis of voters and elections suggests just the opposite.
The second reason is to promote acceptance of election outcomes, by making people feel they had a say in a valid process. But anything that undermines this feeling, even if the intent is to make voting easier, also undermines the support for elections in general.
The third category is just a way to bullshit people, whether through outright official cheating or elections that have predetermined outcomes.
If we pretend that ballot harvesting isn't fraud, I'm sure this article makes more sense. There have been ballot harvesting prosecutions or allegations in every state that allows mail-in voting. Both major parties take advantage of it, so they're reluctant to stop it. I certainly don't want another executive order, but states need to do better.
Trump said mail-in voting is fraudulent, and that means it is fraudulent. That means that any study that says otherwise is leftist. If the investigations were run by Trump toadies who know nothing about mail-in voting then they would confirm what he says and be true. But any investigation that disagrees with Trump is wrong because it disagrees with Trump.
Drunken asshat heard from.
You may be interested to know that there was a case of ballot harvesting in Bangor Maine, and the liberal Secretary of State declined to investigate. After all, no investigation, no crime, right?
https://www.themainewire.com/2024/11/bangor-warns-of-illegal-ballot-harvesting/
One person asking for ballots, and six non-citizens registered to vote. Well golly gosh darn it, that's enough to change the outcome of an election. For student class president.
Since CA mandated mail in ballots for all, bums have been found with stacks of ballots amongst their other piles of shit they steal from mailboxes.
Yet the author and his ChatGPT, who apparently “work” out of Sacramento, claim “every serious analysis of mail-in voting results has found it to be secure”.
Just get rid of this ass already.
Steven Greenhut should stuff his TDS up his ass, so his head has some company,
My complex that has 5 adults living there had over 29 ballots delivered for the 2020 election but this retard wants me to believe there was nothing wrong there? Fuck you and your lying shill "experts" you evil Leftist propagandist.
How much voter fraud is an acceptable amount, Steven?