Navy SEALs Reportedly Killed North Korean Fishermen and Mutilated Their Bodies To Hide a Failed Mission
It’s impossible to tell how many other times U.S. special operations failed and killed innocent bystanders in the process.
You are a fisherman in one of the poorest, most repressed countries in the world. About 20 years ago, your country was suffering from a famine that is still forbidden to discuss frankly. The streets are filled with living reminders of starvation, people whose bodies are marked by childhood malnutrition. Food is precious to you.
So today, as other days, you woke up before dawn with your companions to go diving in the freezing cold ocean, in hopes of putting some mussels on your family's table. But suddenly, you die. A man you have never met and whose presence you did not know about has shot you with his rifle. His companions stab your lungs so that your body will sink to the bottom of the sea. Your family will likely never know what happened to you.
That is what happened to a group of unnamed North Korean fishermen who accidentally stumbled upon a detachment of U.S. Navy SEALs in 2019, according to a Friday report by The New York Times. The commandos had set out to install a surveillance device to wiretap government communications in North Korea. When they stumbled upon an unexpected group of divers on a boat, the SEALs killed everyone on board and retreated.
The U.S. government concluded that the victims were "civilians diving for shellfish," sources told the Times. Officials didn't even know how many, telling the Times that it was "two or three people," even though the SEALs had searched the boat and disposed of the bodies. The mission wasn't just an intelligence failure. It was a failure that killed real people through no fault of their own.
The mission was carried out during the first Trump administration. The U.S. government wanted insight into North Korean leader Kim Jong Un during his high-stakes nuclear negotiations with President Donald Trump. Matthew Cole, one of the reporters who broke the story, wrote on his Substack that he first caught wind of the story in 2023 from a source who wanted him to know "how the SEALs involved in the mission had avoided any accountability because of how secret the mission was."
The broader point of the story, according to the Times, was that the U.S. government "often" hides the failures of special operations from policymakers. Seth Harp, author of The Fort Bragg Cartel, roughly estimates that Joint Special Operations Command killed 100,000 people during the Iraq War "surge" from 2007 to 2009. The secrecy around America's spying-and-assassination complex makes it impossible to know how many of those people were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The fact that the North Korean incident is not tied to any ongoing conflict likely made it safer for Cole's source to share than other, more recent failures. But it's almost certain that there are other stories like it—and that there will be even more in the future, given that the second Trump administration has threatened to use special forces for its new hot war on drug cartels.
By the sources' telling, SEAL Team Six had sailed to the North Korean coast in two mini-submarines under a communications blackout, which meant that they lacked the livestreamed intelligence they were used to having. Based on aerial surveillance beforehand, the military planners had concluded that this part of North Korea was supposed to be free of boat traffic at that hour of the night in the winter.
Some of the SEALs swam to shore while others stayed in the submarines. When a leader of the shore team saw flashlights coming from a boat and a man jumping into the water, he opened fire without any discussion. Then the shore team swam to dispose of the bodies—trying to sink them so that they couldn't be found—and then they sent a distress signal to evacuate. There were no weapons or uniforms on the boat. Afterward, the Times reports, "U.S. spy satellites detected a surge of North Korean military activity in the area," which could have been because someone heard the gunshots and spotted strange movements, or because a group of fishermen were lost at sea.
Of course, it's hard to know exactly what it was like to be on the coast that night, from details filtered through a leak to a newspaper. But this version of the story, which ultimately came from the SEALs themselves, sure sounds like they killed a group of men for no good reason. It's not even a case of hitting bystanders in the heat of battle; the mission wasn't supposed to involve combat at all. And if the SEALs had to evacuate because their cover was already blown, what was the point of trying to sink the bodies to the bottom of the ocean?
In his blog post, Cole called for "more public information about how the government operates in secrecy." (Hopefully, his reporting helps bring the fishermen's families some closure, if the information ever filters through tight North Korean censorship.) Any type of military intervention, however, is going to involve some degree of skullduggery that has to be hidden from public view. And secrecy will breed abuse. The only sure way to cut down on incidents like the murder of random fishermen is to scale back America's imperial ambitions and stop getting involved in conflicts of choice.
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>>according to the Times
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[North Korea...] most repressed
This guy is a professional word-stringer-togetherer too! I'm sure they've all got memories that they've pushed into the dark corners of their minds and forgotten about but that's not really relevant to the culture and leadership of N. Korea.
You don't actually know what "repressed" means, do you? You gotta at least watch the first ten minutes or so of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
Oh not *just* the NYT the NYT citing unnamed officials about an incident involving "2 or 3" North Koreans.
Double check my filing order for me wouldja?
- Ghost of Kyiv
- SEALS murdering Norks according to the NYT
- Any number of dead Palestinians
good list
Any verification outside the Times, yet? Or a solid refutation? They're not exactly the best source of information to say the least. Of course CIA ain't exactly above this either?
Whatever you think of their editorial stance (I strongly disagree with it), NYT's investigative journalism is top notch. They broke the story of the drone strike on Zemari Ahmadi, hugely embarrassing to the gov't, among many others.
And Walter Duranty's dispatches from not-the-Holodomor were quite enlightening.
I mean they won all those awards for Trump Russia.
And dont forget all their Palestine coverage.
https://www.thefp.com/p/mistakes-at-the-new-york-times-only
All the NYT is is a mouthpiece of the deep state.
Yep, Bari Weiss was an editor during that time….she loves slaughtering Muslims!
LOL, then why do their articles often reveal serious government mistakes, like the one I cited?
They also covered up the Holodomor.
Judith Miller was their top investigative CIA reporter once - spoonfed Cheney's lies to the American public. I don't believe a word that rag says.
So it is agreed the nyt hates America.
Apparently she published a book called “Germs” right before 9/11 and Bush took a liking to her…and the rest is history. Unfortunately Bush was the individual driving policy in his presidency and he was a total moron entitled legacy hire.
I can’t disagree with you there.
Sounds like liberal fan fiction to me.
I'm willing to believe the story, but I'm not sure I understand what the listening device/wiretap would be. Did the North Korean's decide to run some telecommunication cables right next to the beach or something? I've watched all the Mission Impossible movies and usually all you have to do it click a few buttons from your laptop on the other side of the world and you're in.
Norks aren't exactly in the information age, so pushing a button from an office in Virginia may not be an option. If your interested in how America used to do it see link below (and that's just the tip)
And if at least part of the story is true, they maybe lying about the actual mission. Partial truths are always an option in reports like these.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells
Yes, I don't doubt the technology. I question that the Norks would run a land based cable so close to the beach that SEALs could walk to it. It seems too convenient.
Depends on where its laid, they might. It might have been easier than trying to lay one along the contour of the land.
We tapped a line running across the Sea of Okhotsk so we have form for this sort of thing.
As if this isn’t an inherent risk in spycraft?
I don’t know what’s more delusional. Thinking it should never happen or denying it ever happened.
It does seem kinda odd that given all the concern for the TdA boat that got es-sploded, we're getting this 'sources close to a story from 2023 about officials close to an operation in 2019 that may or may not have killed anywhere between 0 and 3 people' now.
Republicans love slaughtering Muslims and commies…they always err on the side of slaughtering more than less. 😉
And progressives love slaughtering babies, Christians, and Americans.
Actually reading it, yeah. And it even sounds like Petti knows it.
"Seth Harp, author of The Fort Bragg Cartel, roughly estimates that Joint Special Operations Command killed 100,000 people during the Iraq War "surge" from 2007 to 2009."
These numbers were provided by the Gaza Health Ministry.
"The only sure way to cut down on incidents like the murder of random fishermen is to scale back America's imperial ambitions and stop getting involved in conflicts of choice."
Global thermonuclear war is a choice. The only winning move is not to play.
"Global thermonuclear war is a choice. The only winning move is not to play."
Agreed!
If I may add... Global unprovoked trade war is also a choice. The only winning move is not to play. ... One is admittedly more severe than the other. However, I think that many-many instances of the less-severe, and like instances of utter disregard for others, can lead to the more-severe case!
Meh. This is what we do.
I feel bad for them, but it’s not a reason to not spy on North Korea.
Missions fail.
Trump’s first military order involved SEAL Team 6 and they ended up killing a little American girl and 9 of her little friends. Unfortunately we lost a SEAL and no actionable intelligence was gathered and to make matters worse Trump lied to the Gold Star father…I can see why Trump would lie though because what proud father of a SEAL wants their son to have died in a FUBAR mission that ended with 10 dead children?!?And it was Trump’s first military order…almost makes you believe the Deep State was attempting to compromise Trump.
Comstock!
Lol. Hank jr. ^
This is another illegal act of war by Trump.
Uh, Bush invaded Iraq! Welcome to America! As a citizen you are responsible for your leaders’ actions because we have civilian leadership of the military.
I guess you could say they sealed the deal.
The whole story smells fishy from the get go.
OK, I've never been a starving North Korean diving for muscles before dawn and I've never run underwater comms lines.
As someone who has dived for muscles and shellfish in oceans inlets and lakes, I do have a couple of questions though: do poor, starving North Koreans just trying to feed their families have lights and diving gear or is this critical comms line buried in about 20 ft. of clear water?
Seems just as plausible that somehow the Norks got wind of the op, these "fisherman" were KPA, and we're getting spoon fed bullshit from the NYT as it was fed to them.
Trump officials were using WhatsApp to communicate sensitive information starting in January 2017 and so maybe it was a SignalGate type situation?
It's "mussels" bro
The SEALs didn’t know if they were seeing a security patrol on the hunt for them or a simple fishing crew oblivious to the high-stakes mission unfolding around them. [Pew pew pew escape] Immediately afterward, U.S. spy satellites detected a surge of North Korean military activity in the area, U.S. officials said.
Well that seems odd. Why would that happen immediately? Also, didn't you just say...
So, you had "nothing live" for the mission - but then "immediately detected" after it went sideways. Weird! And Matthew here is going to attribute that to *checks notes* "because someone heard the gunshots and spotted strange movements, or because a group of fishermen were lost at sea."
What's the theory here? That an ultra elite team of operators doing an ultra secret stealth mission just... forgot all the stealth aspects when they kitted up, "Nah, we won't need the 416 suppressed or the .300 blackout. Just take along whatever blaster you feel happy with." Or is the theory that the North Korean authority cares about the health and welfare of random shellfish divers?
North Korea did not make any public statements about the deaths, and U.S. officials said it was unclear whether the North Koreans ever pieced together what had happened and who was responsible.
Which they would have, had it been civilians. Norks love to play the victim (usually sobbing about it to China in hopes they'll do the talking for them). What they don't like to do is show weakness, which is what they'd be doing by acknowledging that their security patrol got inexplicably aced.
All the U.S. military personnel escaped unharmed.
Which is all that matters.
Many of the people involved in the mission were later promoted.
And a nice little cherry on top.
The secrecy around America's spying-and-assassination complex makes it impossible to know how many of those people were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Just assume it's none of them. They don't go out of their way to intentionally kill the civilians, but they don't exactly apologize if they're in the way either. And they certainly can't be blamed when dealing with "cultures" that like to hide behind them.
What's the theory here? That an ultra elite team of operators doing an ultra secret stealth mission just... forgot all the stealth aspects when they kitted up, "Nah, we won't need the 416 suppressed or the .300 blackout. Just take along whatever blaster you feel happy with." Or is the theory that the North Korean authority cares about the health and welfare of random shellfish divers?
Holy Shit!
This is Reason publishing a sarcasmic "At a bar once I overheard one cop tell another cop how he killed two or three perps and got away with it!" story.
There are just too many "just so" holes that don't make the least bit of sense, are extremely odd but assumed true without any context, or are closer to outright speculative fiction b.s. Yes, ops go sideways. But if there were any reasonable proof that Americans killed Norks on a mission on North Korean soil, the Norks would gladly hand it over. Even spuriously credible evidence would be played up by the Norks.
The lack of fairly basic intelligence and surveillance, the timing that "just so" happens to logistically locate the communications line near the beach where fisherman in a poor country are diving "before dawn". The shooting of "civilians" "without discussion". The use of unsuppressed weapons and prompt opposition response to the death of two fishermen. Even the "knife people in the lungs so the bodies don't float" is incredulously and unnecessarily embellished speculative bullshit. Bodies float with lungs full of water all the time. Any dumb goomba knows that if you need a body to sink you have to at least zip tie it to something heavy and/or dense. And if we're talking green-water (as would generally be accessed by submarine) it's a moot point and the bodies can/will wash ashore anyway.
When you consider, once again, that this story is from 2019 when "sources close to the President" related how he overcame his Secret Service detail and seized control of 'The Beast'... horseshit.
Incredible that Petti bought and sold it.
“Incredible that Petti bought and sold it.”
Not really.
> sure sounds like they killed a group of men for no good reason. It's not even a case of hitting bystanders in the heat of battle; the mission wasn't supposed to involve combat at all. And if the SEALs had to evacuate because their cover was already blown, what was the point of trying to sink the bodies to the bottom of the ocean?
Ok, Petti . . . for god's sake.
1. You're not wrong, this is fucked up.
2. Their cover wasn't blown by *the North Korean government*. They felt they needed to do this to give them the time to get clear.
Lot of fucked up here but . . . this is what happens when you do spying.
By the way - where's the article about the AfD deaths?
“spy satellites detected a surge of North Korean military activity in the area,”
Do you seriously think they would do this for some missing fishermen? Not even Molly is that gullible.
“stumbled upon a detachment of U.S. Navy SEALs in 2019, according to a Friday report by The New York Times”
An actual journalist might question why the NYT decided to run this story now. Anybody more curious than a ditzy sorority girl would wonder how the NYT suddenly came upon this information.
“The broader point of the story, according to the Times, was that the U.S. government "often" hides the failures of special operations from policymakers.”
Maybe because a) that’s how spy craft works and, b) because they’re worried that some moron will go talk to the NYT about shit they don’t fully understand or provide any context for and that could result in war with a nuclear power?
(None of which is remotely libertarian, but then, the world isn’t perfect.)
Our Enemy - The State.
Would we be hearing about this if it happened in 2016? I don't think so.
We were too busy with stories from anonymous sources reporting that Trump overpowered his security detail and took the wheel of the Presidential limo.
The magazine is sinking from repeating scribbles on a men's room wall to retweeting photos of poop swastikas.
"... America's imperial ambitions..."
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
It's from Star Wars right? It means they're the bad guys!
You forget that this publication's intended audience are Americans with more pudding for brains than Joe Biden.
Sure.
Paging Harry Potter ... Paging Harry Potter. One of your magic incantations has gone astray. "Securitas nationalis non carborundum est" has been discovered by the Slytherin cult of unlimited government power! The government waves its magic wand and recites this spell whenever they want to kill someone somewhere and it always manages to excuse bad behavior, mistakes and - sometimes - outright disasters. Who could ever object to our thin blue line or our "thank you for your service" commandos making an occasional honest mistake while smiting the bad guys for us?
I know and accept that military action can result in civilian collateral damage but this doesn't really seem to be the case here. This seems like killing civilians because they accidentally stubbled upon your covert operation. These killing would seem to amount to war crimes. I doubt that anyone involved will be prosecuted but I do hope there was or will be some disciplinary action.
I tend to agree, with the caveat that we have no idea whether the anonymous source is telling the truth (or that there IS a source and the reporter didn't just make it up; wouldn't be the first time.)
NYTimes paywall, did not read. Did they cite unnamed/anonymous sources for their evidence?
The first thing I will say is North Korea, especially China but also Russia and other nations will say anything to smear the US and Western civilization to keep their people from uprising and demanding a life for themselves as people live in the west.
And the NYTimes hates America and especially Trump so any time they can create an attack piece against Trump, America , The military which demeans them the NYTimes undoubtedly will. Anonymous source is not credible, just like the NYTimes.
Here: Paywall skip.
And the answer is no.