Vance Says Bombing Iran Is Different From Other 'Dumb' Presidents' Military Actions
On Sunday talk shows, the vice president made the case for bombing Iran—a notable shift from his previous anti-war rhetoric.

Over the weekend, the U.S. bombed three nuclear facilities in Iran. "The strikes were a spectacular military success" President Donald Trump said Saturday night. "Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated." Officials later had to walk back Trump's victory lap, admitting it was as yet unclear how much of Iran's stockpile may still remain.
But regardless of how it shakes out, the whole affair conflicts with the anti-war posture Trump rode into office on, especially for Vice President J.D. Vance.
"We are not at war with Iran. We are at war with Iran's nuclear program," Vance told both NBC's Kristen Welker and ABC's Jonathan Karl. To anybody who lived through the interminable war on terror—fought not just against a country or a terrorist group but against the concept of terror itself—Vance's explanation feels like a distinction without a difference.
Indeed, despite Trump's all-caps exclamation after the bombing that "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE," Iran has since retaliated.
"We're incredibly grateful and proud of the American Air Force pilots who did an incredible job last night," Vance told Welker on Sunday. "It's really an incredible operation, a testament to the power of the American military, and I think it shows what can happen when you have that great American military in the hands of capable presidential leadership."
This is an awkward position for Trump, who said after he was reelected in November, "I'm not going to start wars, I'm going to stop wars."
But it's also awkward for Vance, an Iraq War veteran who has long praised Trump's opposition to American aggression. Endorsing his 2024 reelection bid, Vance praised Trump for "start[ing] no wars" in his first term; even when he openly opposed Trump for president, Vance noted his appeal on foreign policy, writing in 2016 that while Trump "is unfit for our nation's highest office…to those voters furious at politicians who sent their children to fight and bleed and die in Iraq, he tells them what no major Republican politician in a decade has said—that the war was a terrible mistake imposed on the country by an incompetent president."
This was markedly different from the tone Vance struck this weekend. "I certainly empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements in the Middle East," Vance told Welker. "I understand the concern, but the difference is that back then, we had dumb presidents, and now we have a president who actually knows how to accomplish America's national security objectives."
Vance's that was then, this is now explanation is a little too pat. True, each of the other presidents of the last quarter century made "dumb" foreign policy moves: George W. Bush invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq, giving the U.S. two intractable conflicts in the Middle East we still can't seem to get out of. Barack Obama launched airstrikes against Libya in 2011 to support the overthrow of its despotic leader, Moammar Gadhafi—which destabilized the country, leading to a years-long civil war and the deaths of thousands of Libyans. Former President Joe Biden is still freshly in the rearview mirror, but his foreign policy was "utterly uninterested in any real resolution to America's lingering military entanglements in the Middle East," as Bonnie Kristian wrote in Reason.
But for something as consequential as American military action, the rationale has to be more compelling than "trust us, it'll be different this time." And Vance doesn't explain why those military actions were dangerous and counterproductive, bringing further U.S. involvement and destabilizing the region, while this one will turn out swimmingly.
In fact, Vance's mention of "dumb presidents" calls to mind Obama's comments in 2002, as the Bush administration made the case for war in Iraq. "I am not opposed to all wars," Obama, then a U.S. senator from Illinois, said at a Chicago anti-war rally. "I'm opposed to dumb wars." And yet as president, Obama rarely lived up to his rhetoric: While he withdrew troops from Iraq—what he once deemed a "dumb war"—in 2011, he would redeploy them in 2014.
Vance also told Welker the Iranian intervention "is not going to be some long, drawn-out thing. We've got in, we've done the job of setting their nuclear program back, we're going to now work to permanently dismantle that nuclear program over the coming years, and that is what the president has set out to do. Simple principle: Iran can't have a nuclear weapon."
But again, history demands skepticism of this sort of pledge. When Obama first announced action in Libya, he promised "that America's role would be limited." Nonetheless, amid a years-long civil war, the country became a haven for the Islamic State to operate. Obama later called Libya the "worst mistake" of his presidency, though he only admitted fault for the lack of planning, not for the strikes themselves.
Of course, Vance is not alone: Last year, in a post on X, Rep. Nancy Mace (R–S.C.) warned the Biden administration, "Congress alone decides if we go to war. I join my colleagues on both sides insisting we follow the Constitution." And yet after Trump bombed Iran without Congress' approval, Mace congratulated him. "Greatest president in American history!" she added. "I'm speechless. He's done what no one else could ever do."
Just weeks ago, Trump himself declared the "neocon" era was over and the U.S. was ready to do business with the Middle East. But just a day after bombing Iran, he posted on Truth Social in favor of regime change in the country.
The fact remains, it is completely defensible to oppose the unnecessary foreign wars, bombings, and drone strikes undertaken during the last quarter century. But it's foolish to insist that when Trump does it, that makes it okay. Past presidents may have been "dumb," but that doesn't make it a new war smart.
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"We are not at war with Iran. We are at war with Iran's nuclear program,"
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
And nice sophistry, is he studying at the feet of Alberto Gonzales?
who died?
Retort to its a War on Guns. Bur some Iranians.
/notsarc have you seen a count of dead people @Fordow or just blue dust?
Israel keeps warning people where not to be. They are just too fucking dumb to genocide properly.
Hey cunt, Iran is coming to the peace table. Trump wins again.
And you lose, traitor.
Conservatives love affair with Dubya sure didn’t last long. I recall hearing how we had to give him a decade to see how his legacy would be defined.
“Dumb”.
Can’t wait for you to get doxxxed. Then you will be killed either by law enforcement, your victim’s families, or you will, be tortured to death by your fellow inmates when they too find out you’re a child rapist.
Time is running out.
No one cares.
Congress will not pass a resolution condemning this.
Unless and until the national guard is called up, this doesn't "count" as far as voters are concerned.
Politicians are liars, news at 11. But partisan hacks won't admit theirs lie too.
Congress won't do its job, news at 11. The last thing any politician or bureaucrat (but I repeat myself) wants to do is solve the problem that put them in power. Much better to keep whining than take responsibility.
President fills the void, news at 11. And Congress loves it, because (a) their guy can use that expanded power when he gets in, and (b) they get to bitch and whine now.
"We are vehemently against the thing ! Unless our guy does it, then we are for the thing ! How great and wise our guy is for doing the thing ... while how vile and deplorable the other guy is for doing the thing. "
--- Every politician ever.
Challenge: make the case that Biden isn’t dumb.
Mega challenge: make the case that Trump isn't dumb.
He’s got more money and accomplishments than you, that’s one thing .
He just bombed Iran into a cease fire…….
https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-war-nuclear-trump-bomber-news-06-23-2025-9e78510c88ccc5e262341f41550609c5
How’s that work for you?
>>the vice president made the case for bombing Iran—a notable shift from his previous anti-war rhetoric.
sometimes bombs lead to peace.
"Every other president was "dumb"."
[Does the same thing as every other president]
"My president is "smart"!"
Do MAGAheads even hear themselves talk? Vance has his head so far up Trump's ass he should take a time out and check for polyps...
Was there a point your nonsensical anti Trump screeching?
Why pretend that you don't understand his point? Did you shake you head "no" so hard that you've given yourself brain damage?
Because all you retards are doing is trying to project your own hypocrisy. Lol.
Brandy and you both have supported us involvement in Ukraine for fucks sake. Both likely Obama praising acolytes as well.
I hardly ever comment and never about Ukraine. You're just a liar that will say anything.
I see a retarded grey box appeared beneath my comment, saying something retarded, undoubtedly.
We have always not been at war with Eastaisa.
But our allies in Oceania are.
Since Vance has come off as the voice of reason and this is on contrast to his antiwar stance - maybe we should give a serious listen to what he's saying?
Trump just announced a ceasefire btwn Israel and Iran...
Guess a certain president doesnt look so dumb now
Reason looks like a bunch of assholes…….. again.
How expected.
Trump's right hand generally does not know what left hand is doing. He wanted "complete surrender" day before yesterday, regime change yesterday and today he claims ceasefire. Tomorrow it might be something else. So need to wait. Two Weeks.
Well, this article didn't age well ... literally by hours.
Sometimes, I wonder if this stuff works out the way it does just to reveal exactly how liberal-deranged many reason editors are.
Now, will we see apology articles tomorrow - I won't hold my breath. I'm sure Reason will find something else to bitch and whine about in this US state of prosperity not seen since 2019
So true. The author failed to note that Trump did not put boots on the ground, didn't kill anyone except anyone at these nuclear facilities, or waste a lot of money. He even left the political leadership alone. I don't want them having the bomb.
It's funny, western journalists in Iran are often asked when the Americans will save them from the Mullahs. When will Iranians get rid of them is the real question.
Even if he did, Trump proved in Afghanistan and Yemen that he knew when it was time to turn tail and surrender to the Taliban and Houthis.
I think this is really great and Trump is a god's gift to not just USA but to the Universe.
Finally communism can be tried in USA as Trump clearly has the intelligence to properly implement it this time. He just needs to overcome the judicial coup and get more power to jail whoever stands in the way of MAGA.
Slide some contact info to JESSEAZ***@aol.com and I'm sure he'll get right back to you.
The silence from Western Europe is deafening.