How Freedom Lovers Can Reckon with Addicts and Addiction
A new book looks at addiction through the lens of choice and responsibility.

What Is It Like To Be an Addict? Understanding Substance Abuse, by Owen Flanagan, Oxford University Press, 320 pages, $24.99
Addiction is a problem that defenders of liberty need to face, for if citizens cannot control their appetites, the state may be inclined to take over the job for them. Freedom depends on self-command supported by a fragile web of norms and relationships that lets us keep our own lives in order and get along with one another. Addiction is the acute case of the appetites run amok, as they often do when unfettered by such constraints as wealth, religion, and community.
Owen Flanagan's new book, What Is It Like To Be an Addict?, should be welcomed by anyone concerned with these issues. Despite its modest size, this is a work of large ambition and broad range informed not just by the author's long career as a prominent philosopher but by his many years as a desperately addicted abuser of alcohol and sedatives.
"This is a deeply personal book," he writes. "I was addicted to booze and benzos for twenty years on and off from the late 1970s until the early 2000s. The last years were especially ugly, requiring several hospitalizations, and involving constant self-loathing and suicidal despair."
Unsurprisingly given his experience, Flanagan stresses that we should pay close attention to what the addicted have to tell us. And among the most important things addicts say is that they are by no means blameless just because they supposedly have a disease. On the contrary, many feel shame (for being an addict) and guilt (for behaviors that are slowly destroying them and harming their loved ones).
To Flanagan, these feelings are right and good. That stance may inspire horror from some people, who will see it as victim-blaming. But it's consistent with Flanagan's view that addicts can't be reduced to flesh-and-blood automatons jerked about by their cravings. As he notes, even people who claim to believe this will then earnestly implore an addict to get help—a plea that could only be directed at someone presumed to have the ability to make choices. "Every treatment that works to unseat addiction," he writes, "assumes that addicts are responsible and must participate in undoing their own addiction."
Flanagan doesn't even think addiction is a disease, exactly—more of a multifactorial disorder of enormous social, physical, psychological, and pharmacological complexity. Indeed, one of his book's main points is that addiction cannot be seen as any one simple thing. But he doggedly insists that addicts retain some agency during their plight.
"Practices of compassion, forgiveness, and excusing are distinct from whether or not we hold the addict responsible," he writes. "We hold addicts responsible in many respects and rightly so. Thus, the determination that addiction is a disease or mental disorder is much less consequential as far as holding addicts responsible goes than many suggest."
Flanagan takes care to distinguish between unwilling addicts, willing addicts, and resigned addicts, helping us through these categories to think about what we mean by addiction and how best to mitigate it. Particularly notable are the minority who are willing addicts—he mentions as an example Keith Richards, who has said he was a longtime heroin user. At least some of these individuals are in control of the consequences of their habit and satisfied with their lives. Is their addiction any more meaningful than a coffee habit?
Unwilling addicts want to quit, and many will eventually succeed. And resigned addicts are those who wanted to quit, couldn't, and just gave up, surrendering to hopelessness. They are in a sense beyond unwilling; by not trying to quit, they effectively acquiesce. Here, the author says, a kind of accommodation may help. One nonprofit in Europe helps resigned addicts to lead orderly lives through more disciplined consumption—in one methadone-like program, six pints of beer spread throughout the day—as well as suitable paid employment.
As for himself, the author credits Alcoholics Anonymous with saving his life by enabling his sobriety, but he also thinks it has a certain cultishness; like any good rationalist, he insists on "the distinction between the belief in a Higher Power having an effect and the Higher Power having an effect."
Flanagan is also a capable researcher and reporter. Who knew that many addicts call the rest of us "earth people"? Or, more significantly, that there is so much overlap between addiction and other psychiatric disorders? "Twenty-five percent of individuals with severe mental illness, defined as a disorder that severely compromises normal functioning—schizophrenia with delusions or immobilizing depression—have a substance use disorder," the author says. "In the other direction, 15 percent of individuals with a substance use disorder also have a severe mental illness."
This book's focus is substance abuse rather than, say, Facebook addiction, if such a thing exists. Flanagan is properly skeptical of the movement to medicalize all of life's setbacks and sadnesses. He notes that men in most cultures are more likely than women to abuse alcohol and drugs, but that women are gaining. "There is no country where female alcoholism…rates are near 10 percent. But there are many countries in which the male alcoholism rate is above 10 percent and a few that top 13 percent: Russia (16.29 percent), Hungary (15.29 percent), Lithuania (13.35 percent), and South Korea (13.10 percent)."
He reminds us that while the war on drugs appears to be a costly failure, we can't say for sure that many addictions wouldn't be worse in its absence. And he notes some of the problems that have accompanied legalization initiatives. In Portugal, after a decade of good results, "substance use is on the rise, and fewer and fewer people in need are getting treatment. Recent data indicate that both overall drug use and drug overdose rates are up." In Oregon, decriminalization Measure 110 "is being unwound" after evictions and fentanyl supplies surged. But he cautions: "The data do not mean, as some are quick to insist, that decriminalization, harm reduction, and treatment are not for the best."
What Is It Like To Be an Addict? has its shortcomings, which largely stem from the author's academic tribe. The book is not particularly well-organized or well-written; again and again, Flanagan tells us what he's going to tell us, and then tells us the thing a couple more times to be on the safe side. And the book can be heavy on jargon. At one point, despite his professed sobriety, he writes: "When I report on the experiences of fellow addicts based on their autophenomenological reports, I am doing heterophenomenology."
Particularly nettlesome is the author's claim that, although addicts are responsible for their addiction, the rest of us are responsible too because of the woeful conditions we've allowed to persist. He wheels out the usual suspects including "social displacement," poverty, inequality, racism, depression, "lack of good life options," and other all-purpose woes that "are not caused by addicts."
Blinkered by his ready-made list of villains, the author takes little account of other potential factors. Affluence in particular seems at least as likely a culprit as poverty. Today's poor are often richer than middle-class Americans were in the middle of the last century, and today's American middle class is extraordinarily affluent by historical and global standards. That means more of us can afford substance abuse of all kinds, not to mention addictions to shopping and other costly behaviors.
How about changes to family life or to levels of church attendance? Isn't it possible that the religious and familial dimensions of A.A. are essential to its remarkable success? It's noteworthy that the author's own salvation came not from any arm of government but from a private, apolitical institution operating on a shoestring and making no attempt to end inequality or racism. Drunks come to A.A. and somehow get sober anyway.
But in truth, the author's gestures toward collective responsibility feel more obligatory than emphatic. What he really wants is a humane, evidence-based approach to the problem of addiction consistent with individual agency, and that's an approach fully in accord with a faith in human liberty. At the same time, we might as well recognize that voters will quickly lose their enthusiasm for legalizing drugs if they blame it for public chaos. Freedom always and everywhere relies on self-regulation.
These are tough times for individual agency. Many philosophers and psychologists scoff at the notion of free will, which others seem to regard as the sole province of the "privileged." A therapeutic culture and the nanny state give us all incentives to see ourselves as victims, helpless in the face of implacable forces of oppression. It is refreshing to read a book that refuses to dehumanize addicts by depriving them of responsibility or delegitimizing the shame they feel for their actions.
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Unsurprisingly given his experience, Flanagan stresses that we should pay close attention to what the addicted have to tell us.
Why? As sarc shows we can just read leftist reddit or watch maddow if we want to hear what they have to say.
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Except, nobody does randomized studies of it, it's impossible to blind the subject, and what would be a relevant control anyway? (Maybe the AAA!) When A.A. and the like work, it's because the subject has already decided to make it work.
But he has decided to make it work because of AA !!!. This is a conceptual separation that has no existence in reality.
You are reviving a wheel already invented.
It's called Abulia or akrasia (depending whether you go the Greek or Latin route)
Never read this but have seen it recommended for decades
The Training of the Will
by Johann Lindworsky (Author)
4.9 out of 5 stars (8)
“ When A.A. and the like work, it's because the subject has already decided to make it work.”
I think that’s a necessary element of recovery. No one can be forced to become sober. If they aren’t ready to do it they just won’t, no matter how hard someone else tries to make them.
Why is MAGA gunman and political assassin Vance Boelter on the run? Donnie will pardon him. Maybe even honor him with a parade.
Who?
And how do you manage to make those stunning leaps of logic, dipshit?
You mean the Tim Walz appointee?
The older I get the less I can believe in this "free will" stuff. I can buy that our conscious intellect has SOME degree of control over our actions, but it appears that we are predominantly passengers in our bodies, not the captains.
How sad for you.
If that's the case, then socialism is inevitable.
Even the way you say that disproves what you are saying
1) Yes as you cede to your laziness and bad habits you lose will
WILLIAM JAMES
“Keep the faculty of effort alive in you by a little gratuitous exercise every day. That is, be systematically heroic in little unnecessary points, do every day or two something for no other reason than its difficulty, so that, when the hour of dire need draws nigh, it may find you not unnerved and untrained to stand the test"
2) Free will is only defined as what you are able to exercise control over. We must be the captains because the good/bad evil/not evil that the will seeks or avoids depends on the mind rightly judging. Now if it doesn't, that is most often a lazy will (!!) that didn't seek the truth, didn't live by the truth, didn't care...so that is what you are calling 'lack of free will"
3) The whole static view you have CAUSES the power of the will to atrophy. "I can't help it" is mostly "I never did help it" "I am too lazy to help it" and "now I excuse what I did to myself by saying I don't have free will.
You're saying I'm mistaken about what my own perceptions are? Not sure that's possible.
Wrong again.
If you are 'not sure that's possible" then the not-sureness LOGICALLY argues that you might be mistaken. you cannot enter an imprecision in a syllogism and spit out a certainty as a conclusion.
Might not be X necessarily and logically means 'MIGHT BE NOT-X"
BUT I rather think you don't realize what you are writing. Your experience with your own will must first deal with freedom of will BEFORE NOT AFTER.
If you know Kant's Antinomies you know that depending on your first principle you can argue to almost any conclusion.
And I'm not even aware of what I think. I must be unconscious.
God damn. There's a video of a papa John's employee claiming to be the room mate of the minn shooter. The shooter was an NGO millionaire living in a huge rural house with a wife and 5 kids. But democrats are so retarded they are believing this video.
I've spent way too much time this morning trying to make sense of this guy. Talk about a rabbit hole. So he's CEO of this Red Lion Group which is alternately a private security firm in the Congo but purportedly has worked all over the middle east and eastern Europe but also poses as some sort of charitable organization. Widely claimed to be a USAID NGO money laundering operation. Concurrently claims to be CEO of this Praetorian Guard security business in MN. It's not clear that this is actually a real business at this point. Also appointed by 2 Democrat governors to the Governor's Workforce Development Board. Also affiliated with Minnesota Africans United if it actually exists. Won the Helen Keller award from the Newport Lions Club. Represented Marathon Petroleum at some point in Africa. Somehow linked to the Global Workforce Movement. Looking for a high level executive position in the food industry apparently based on his experience as a 7/11 store manager. Concurrently looking for work in the funeral business. His wife at some point worked for Tim Walz. He also at some point claimed to be an evangelical minister.
None of which explains why he murdered two Democrats and critically injured two more. We have hearsay comments from "roommates" (despite living with a wife and five kids in an upscale rural home) that he was pro Trump and anti abortion but no other evidence of his political views has surfaced. The photos posted from the actual crime scene don't look anything like this guy. The cops claim he was wearing a "realistic" mask. The cops were close enough to exchange gunfire but he mysteriously vanishes into the night never to be seen again. So anyway. The short story is that this guy was a marginally talented grifter who found a seat on the USAID gravy train until DOGE kicked him off. A month later he gets a fake police car and uniform, puts on a realistic mask, and goes on a shooting spree on No Kings day. For some reason. If somebody can make any of this make sense please let me know.
An amalgamation of all of shrikes socks.
Given his political history mixed into all of this, the guy seems more like a globalist neocon in leaning which means that he's now more aligned with the Democrats.
Both sides are right now desperately trying to establish a narrative that will live on as the conventional wisdom. Which ever side wins in the short term, rest assured the story will be a convenient mix of fact and fiction. It's also possible that the shit is so weird that the media across the board will just let the story die in the news cycle. In any case. They are lying. Whoever they are.
+1
This week's TACO tuesday:
Trump backs off ICE raids on farms, hotels, restaurants and meatpacking plants.
It sure seems like these immigrants are contributing to the economy by doing jobs Americans won't do and removing them is disrupting the economy, which is blowing back on Trump. What is the MAGA rationalization for this move?
It's a pause. Next week is when this might matter.
Yeah it's always a just a pause, Why did they pause?
So they could see the military parade.
Well played
Lol. Yeah, and they didn’t cut eleventy trillion out of the budget in the first five minutes either.
God, you people are gullible.
What?
Just wait by your newsfeed for the next outrage story about dictatorial lawlessness or chickenshit fecklessness and bring it to us like a good boy, ok?
Shouldn’t take long. Lol.
^This is how you know someone has no valid rebuttal.
#NoKings
So you objected to COVId lockdowns?
Because it is beyond debate that public health officials were behaving like absolute monarchs!
Where did I favor lockdowns?
#hangMichaelEjercito
Does KAR stand for kill all retards? If so, then do you require MAiD since you are a retard?
“ So you objected to COVId lockdowns?”
Yes. But Covid had the advantage of being a unique, new pathogen that we were learning about on the fly.
Everything Trump is doing creates self-inflicted wounds based on knowledge we’ve had for decades.
If you want to compare an immediate response to a situation that had never been seen before and a planned (and known ineffective) response to non-urgent issues, at least be honest about the differences.
He also wants you to ignore all the judges he supported stopping or delaying a lot of the actions. Mike is consistent.
Irrelevant
Why don't you take a shot at answering my question instaed of your usual personal attacks?
Lol
You two are cute together. I really do miss the buffoonery of Mike and sarc threads.
#NoKings
Deep
#NoKings
NO, you are on the exactly wrong side of this. THey won't do those jobs at those slave inhuman wages. You are attacking the workers and defending the slavers
NO, you are on the exactly wrong side of this.
Trump's side?
NO, you are on the exactly wrong side of this.
My side is workers and "slavers" (MAGA really sounds like socialists these days,,don't they?) get to make their own decisions, not have the state make it for them.
Except I am not a Trumper
OK. Noted.
Libertarians: FOR wage and price controls. As a socialist I’m beginning to like you guys more and more.
So, uh, Shrike, did you manage to get your Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned yet again?
NO, complete lack of insight. 3 errors you make (more but I like 3)
1) Hotel jobs are a start on the job ladder for many , my friend MH worked at a hotel but later went to college etc. The hotel hires illegals who will take unjust demeaning wages under the threat of having ICE show them the door.
2) Where there is a problem is in the education that makes healthy smart kids into illiterate lazy know-nothings, a problem stated almost 60 years ago
A class of people is growing up who are unexploitable because they are not worth employing even for the minimum wage. Jacques Ellul
3) with the Birth Dearth and the greying of America immigrants obviously can't be the answer, to which problem I tack on the fact that I don't know what America you are talking about
National Survey Finds Just 1 in 3 Americans Would Pass Citizenship Test
PRINCETON, N.J. (Oct. 3, 2018) – Only one in three Americans (36 percent) can actually pass a multiple choice test consisting of items taken from the U.S. Citizenship Test, which has a passing score of 60, according to a national survey released today by the Institute for Citizens & Scholars (formerly the Woodrow Wilson National Fellowship Foundation
Liberals like Mike have to keep pushing the false narratives of jobs Americans won't do while simultaneously ignoring entry or early age jobs are no longer desirable.
After raids in 2019 we saw how false this was as citizens lined up after job raids.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/this-mississippi-chicken-plant-just-held-a-jobs-fair-to-replace-workers-snatched-up-by-ice/
But reality is anathema to the liberal worldview of people like QB. So they keep pushing falsified narratives to support their views. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for the link. Pretty informative.
...companies like Koch have to find new people to fill their shoes, something experts have said could be difficult for a company that relies so heavily on immigrant labor.
The mass raids — thought to be the largest in American history — resulted in the arrests of approximately 680 workers across seven plants...Bell said more than 200 people filled out applications during the job fair...
Hmmmm. That's not good. It does help explain why Trump is really chickening out, but I'm more interested in the MAGA rationalization, not the real predicted economic reasons.
NO, complete lack of insight. 3 errors you make (more but I like 3)
OK. Why is Trump making these mistakes then?
Tell me that you do not comprehend what the actual, true minimum wage without telling me that you have no comprehension.
Hint: The true minimum wage is zero.
I already said that ANY wage is not sustainable if the one paying you $X doesn't get at least the $X back from what you contribute.
Now, in the life cycle of any worker he presumably goes from tyro to expert (or at least capable) and so moves up the job ladder.
YOu get $0 for doing nothing was MY POINT !!!!! 🙂
It sure seems like these immigrants are contributing to the economy by doing jobs Americans won't do and removing them is disrupting the economy, which is blowing back on Trump. What is the MAGA rationalization for this move?
So again, we admit that we need this slave labor to do work for less than the minimum wage while our workforce participation continues to crater. What's the LAMA rationalization for this?
LAMA?
There's no slave labor here and we don't need a minimum wage.
This is fully voluntary.
The rationale is to let workers and employers to each determine what they're willing to pay/accept for labor. This will approach maximum efficiency in the economy.
>" as they often do when unfettered by such constraints as wealth, religion, and community.
Gee, wonder why the US has a problem with addiction.
Speaking of addictions… there’s a lot of commenters here that are addicted to having Trump’s schlong parked up their respective buttholes. Rhetorically speaking, of course. Trump would never give these Peanuts the time of day unless, of course, they were teens in his cheesy pageants or if you wanted to
giveloan him some money.Is there a 12step program to wean them off their crippling addiction? The suicide hotline is 1-800-273-8255, but it might not work as Dear Leader probably commandeered it to sell Trump$XXXCoin blockchain. Has anyone checked?
Or, you could just kill yourself and not pussy out of it. Suicide……. See what all the fuss is about.
YOu mainly sound like a fool. an egotistical attention-seeking low self-esteem fool.
So, uh, Shrike, did you manage to get your Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned yet again?
Speaking of calling a suicide hotline - - - - - -
https://notthebee.com/article/suicide-hotline-operator-encourages-disabled-canadian-woman-to-consider-assisted-suicide
To bring the two angles together, the religious/spiritual and drug addiction side, I think it indisputable that this article and the book argue for GREATER TOUGHNESS on the beginnings of drug use. Yes, it's my ole Broken Windows criminology lens on things.
THe guy who kills somebody because he has to get that next cocaine fix, probably did not start by shooting up. And he probably ran into the law several times when he was on the more free side of drug use.
Ask why the coke addict killed someone to get his next fix.
Is it because he has to steal to afford black market prices?
When was the last time you heard of an alcoholic murdering someone to get a drink?
MANY TIMES.
They take an innocent life with drunk driving.
In 2023, 12,429 people died in alcohol-impaired driving traffic deaths. These deaths were all preventable.
and it is going UP
May 16, 2024 — In 2020, 11,654 people were killed in motor vehicle crashes involving alcohol-impaired drivers, accounting for 30% of all traffic-related deaths ...
They murdered someone because they were negligent AFTER drinking, not to obtain a drink.
No, you aren't even understanding what YOU say !!!!!!!!!!!
They drive to where they drink , they know about drunk driving, but they will drink no matter what , then someone is killed.
You want the very intent that is lacking and the cause of the deaths. Do you think after the first drunk driving citation the average person says' Well that's no more drinking for me, don't want to kill somebody. If I can't stop drinking I'll rent a room over a bar"
Just to be clear. The LGBTQs have no interest whatsoever in grooming kids. None.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/lgbt-exhibit-surrounding-childrens-playground-features-nude-images-promotes-gender-confusion?author=Amanda+Prestigiacomo&category=undefined&elementPosition=8&row=3&rowHeadline=Latest+News&rowType=Vertical+Carousel&title=LGBT+Exhibit+Surrounding+Children%E2%80%99s+Playground+Features+Nude+Images%2C+Promotes+Gender+Confusion
LGBT Exhibit Surrounding Children’s Playground Features Nude Images, Promotes Gender Confusion
“Gender (genital) reveals are transphobic, homophobic and racist…”
I'm told there is a differents between pedofiles and map... But the wood chipper dont care
I've never heard that. What is the difference supposed to be?
Fallacy of composition for the win!
Tell us more, Strawcasmic.
But, but, but drugs users are 'poor'!!! So [WE] all have to subsidize their living habits.... /s
The book sounds like a good read as I'd opinion that most of the US drug abuse problem stems from far too much lack of self-responsibility standing in the USA.
As well as the same being the US debt problem. Someone sold the BS myth that borrowers could never be prosecuted/prison-ed for not being able to pay their bills and ever since then it has been about who can borrow the most without ever having to repay it.
“ we can't say for sure that many addictions wouldn't be worse in its absence”
Ok, carry on with the drug war then.
Shirley the addicts are better off with high prices, variable strength, dodgy additives, fear of arrest, criminals to buy from ….
#NoKings
So you objected to COVID lockdowns?
Because it is beyond debate that public health officials were behaving like absolute monarchs!
So you are for Kings?
Because it is beyond debate that this is America and we don’t have kings!
The people in these protests are masktards.
Does your nonsense narrative even make a lick of sense to you?
The entire no kings narrative is abome to retards mad they didnt win an election. It is hilarious seeing signs about democracy after trump won the election and watching democrats try to use inferior Courts to overturn it after using the courts to try to send him to jail and remove him from ballots.
You all are just fucking idiots lol.
How’s that evidence of voter fraud coming?
It’s gonna be so satisfying watching you hang.
Unelected public health officials acted like absolute monarchs.
Did you have a problem with that?
Had no problem with crowning Kamala as presidential candidate after having never won a single vote.
I admit I was late to disavow lockdowns.
I remember it was July of 2020 and I was getting my oil changed in Portland, Oregon(one of the most restrictive cities in one of the most restrictive states), and I read about some guy in rural Pennsylvania getting pulled over and harassed for some stupid shit involving not being masked and thinking “fuck this! I thought it was just 2 weeks to flatten the curve!!” And it hit me all the Covid shit was bullshit. So I kept going about my life like I did before and after Covid. I realize I’m lucky, but all the lockdowns did was cut down on my commute time. So I was kinda happy when they happened.
I admit Covid didn’t affect my livelihood, and I understand why the folks who it did are upset, but…
It’s been 4 fucking years!!! Let it fucking go!!! And the “anti-lockdown” crowd is the same people that want to kill my friends and family, and want children raped. So sorry if I don’t join in your pity party.
Cite?
"the 'anti-lockdown' crowd is the same people that want to kill my friends and family, and want children raped."
Talk about an imaginary boogie man. I can only assume you're talking about illegal immigrants here who have done most of the killing and raping you speak of.
But of course leftards self-project... So the imaginary boogie man is really just a marker of leftard self-projection.
We have good kings, not bad kings!
https://www.nhl.com/kings/
So you are for Kings?
If I or another libertarian is king. Would you rather live in libertarian monarchism or in democratic socialism?
...of A.A. are essential to its remarkable success?
Cites facts not in evidence.
AA is remarkably ineffective. ALL addiction interventions are actually remarkably ineffective, all things considered. Like, in some studies, long term results are hardly better than no treatment at all.
Basically, the people it works for, it works for. And those people tend to be self motivated and genuinely ready to change, willing to make the effort to do so, etc.
I don't mean to throw shade on anyone who is in AA and it works for them. I have friends who have visited AA meetings for a long time because they find it very helpful. Those are precisely the people it works for.
I also have met a lot of people who have gone to a bunch of meetings but still backslide. A lot. And I have met way more of them than of my buddy who hasn't done drugs for 30 years and goes to meetings every week. AA's main benefit is that it's cheap or free and available long term, so someone who wants to feel understood can attend a meeting whenever, without having to have insurance approve it or pay a therapist or whatever.
Curiously, when looking for cites on how ineffective addiction treatments are, I found a crapload of duck duck go headlines saying "Review finds Alcoholics Anonymous performs well" and "AA the most successful" etc.
Except, the actual study says no such thing.
They're all citing a meta-analysis published in 2020 that said AA can provide better long term sobriety results than other interventions. It says:
There is high quality evidence that manualized AA/TSF interventions are more effective than other established treatments, such as CBT, for increasing abstinence. Non‐manualized AA/TSF may perform as well as these other established treatments.
Since other treatments are also remarkably ineffective in the long term, it's "better". But better is not good.
The study conclusion says:
AA/TSF probably produces substantial healthcare cost savings among people with alcohol use disorder.
In other words, since it's cheap and widely available, it's a lot cheaper for insurance companies. Which is what the study was looking at and where AA was very effective.
Anyway, there's a rabbit hole I didn't mean to go down. Point is, most addiction treatments only work for a certain subset of those treated, and that subset is quite small.
This is a weird post.
THe whole point of AA is that just as you didn't become an alcoholic by accident you won't get cured by accident
I like Abraham Llincoln's view much better than yours
He criticized past temperance advocates for alienating drinkers by treating them as moral failures rather than human beings in need of support. Instead, he praised the Washingtonians, a proto-Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) organization, who helped others change their relationship with alcohol through camaraderie and shared experience, not shame or compulsion.
Lincoln framed this movement as a continuation of the American Revolution, calling it a "new conquest" and a moral struggle that could further the principles of liberty. He declared, "Happy day, when, all appetites controlled, all passions subdued, all matters subjected, mind, all-conquering mind, shall live and move the monarch of the world!" This was, in Lincoln’s view, another fight for freedom—freedom from destructive habits that cloud our judgment and sap vitality.
"Happy day, when, all appetites controlled, all passions subdued, all matters subjected, mind, all-conquering mind, shall live and move the monarch of the world!" - Abraham Lincoln, Temperance Address 1842
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AA does a lot of good and your booing from the grandstands is rather deplorable.I lived 5 years with an ex-alcoholic priest and he would not infrequently speak of AA when he said Mass in the morning
You completely misunderstand the post then.
AA is not a "Remarkable" success. Nor is just about any treatment. The widely believed notion that it is remarkably successful leads to things like sentencing to intervention or allowing rehab before criminal punishment.
If AA was remarkably successful, for all people, then these sorts of interventions to stop the worst of addicts from stealing, driving intoxicated, living on the streets, or whatever it might lead to would be justified. Instead, it's just creates a rehab-industrial complex where offenders have to go to some approved "treatment" program to get out of trouble, but that doesn't actually help them.
Most people -- the LARGE majority -- attend a few meetings then never go again. Or complete a mandated program then backslide again. I don't care about your feels on this, call me deplorable (it wouldn't be the first time) but that's the actual truth of the matter.
In college, I actually attended meetings. Not for me, I just had to drive a friend, who was under 21 and had tested positive for alcohol at a checkpoint so had to attend meetings to get his license back. It did nothing for him. It was a massive disservice to the poor people who were actually there, actually looking for the support of their peers, with actual problems other than my buddy's just being a spoiled dumbass kid. I felt shitty about it, but the court ordered it and I was helping my friend by driving him there. My buddy got nothing from attending, he just served his sentence then never went back.
As you obviously didn't read, I mentioned one of my friends who has been clean and sober since the 90s. He was FUCKED up, hit a rock bottom I won't relate here, heroin, cocaine, etc... He uses AA very effectively. Still. But this doesn't mean AA works for everyone. He's a self-aware, driven, humble man who decided he won't even have a beer because he can't control his harder addictions. But he is definitely the minority.
Again, it only works for the small subset of people for whom it works. Pretending otherwise is a really stupid thing to do, especially when talking about a book author that places a societal burden on addiction, which the article author notes as: "What he really wants is a humane, evidence-based approach to the problem of addiction consistent with individual agency,"
Well, evidence based means facing facts. You don't make good policy from bad data. And, your feels aside, if you want to get clean YOU have to do the work. Even AA preaches that.
But you admit that it works. When you hear that only one man survived that recent plane crash , do you say 'One survived, who cares for that one?"
I never thought I'd post this because it is obvious but that is just what you need :
"A boy stands on the beach, where hundreds of starfish have been swept up by the waves and stranded there to die. He’s throwing the starfish back in the water, one by one, so they can survive.
A grownup watches him for a minute from up on the boardwalk, and then yells down, “You can’t possibly throw all those starfish back in the water. You could stand there all night throwing starfish — it won’t matter.”
The boy looks around, throws another starfish into the water, and says, “It matters to this one.”
And for the grownups in the audience, the GREAT Edmund Burke (I tell this one to my college students)
"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little"
Ibogaine, anyone?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6157925/
I can summarize all of this in a few sentences without requiring a complete book: most human beings try something that does not turn out well despite any pleasure (or at least relief) we get temporarily, and we never do it again. Addicts try something that does not turn out well, get a great deal of pleasure from it (or at least some temporary relief), and can't wait to do it again despite the repeated bad consequences of it. There is a good deal of scientific evidence that addiction (at least to substances) has a genetic and, therefore, a biochemical cause or predilection. So in that sense, at least, addicts do not choose to be addicts but have a much more difficult time resisting the desire for pleasure or relief than the rest of us, Keith Richards notwithstanding. So this is just one more clever if more subtle attempt to shift responsibility from addicts to society.
IF I may generalize, EVERY human being has terrible things that they are tempted to : adultery, taking an innocent life, perversion -- and if not resisted they are in the same boat as the coke head.
Hence I post this again. Has served me for decades
======> “Keep the faculty of effort alive in you by a little gratuitous exercise every day. That is, be systematically heroic in little unnecessary points, do every day or two something for no other reason than its difficulty, so that, when the hour of dire need draws nigh, it may find you not unnerved and untrained to stand the test. Asceticism of this sort is like the insurance which a man pays on his house and goods. The tax does him no good at the time, and possibly may never bring him a return. But, if the fire does come, his having paid it will be his salvation from ruin. So with the man who has daily inured himself to habits of concentrated attention, energetic volition, and self-denial in unnecessary things. He will stand like a tower when everything rocks around him, and his softer fellow-mortals are winnowed like chaff in the blast."