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Government Spending

Why DOGE Failed

Elon Musk promised $2 trillion in cuts but delivered only a tiny portion of that total. We asked seven policy experts to explain what he got wrong.

Eric Boehm | 5.12.2025 3:20 PM

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Elon Musk rode into Washington, D.C., with a chainsaw and a big promise: He would cut "at least $2 trillion" in government spending.

Less than four months after President Donald Trump's second inauguration, Musk is now reportedly scaling back his work with the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), the meme-inspired project that Trump authorized to implement Musk's vision for a leaner, more affordable federal government. Officially, DOGE claims to have cut $170 billion in government spending—though there are some doubts about the validity of that figure—mostly by firing bureaucrats and canceling some pretty silly contracts.

Libertarians and other advocates for limited government have plenty of reasons to applaud those cuts. Given the incentives of federal workers and the tendency of government to only ever get bigger, it's possible to regard DOGE's work as a "smashing success"—as Reason's Christian Britchgi termed it last month. And even though Musk is on his way out, DOGE's efforts will continue (reportedly, the new boss plans to target some of the staggering levels of waste in the Pentagon, which would be a very worthwhile project).

Still, $170 billion is plainly not $2 trillion. Why did Musk fall so far short of his budget-cutting goal? Reason asked seven budget policy experts to answer that question, and their answers fell broadly into three categories.

Refusing To Touch Entitlement Spending

"I think they missed a tremendous opportunity," said Veronique de Rugy, a senior fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. "DOGE's top priority should have been to target improper payments and fraud in entitlement programs—particularly Obamacare, Medicaid, and Medicare."

There's potential for some huge savings in those areas. The $101.4 billion of improper payments made by Medicare and Medicaid in 2023 accounted for 40 percent of all improper payments across the entire government that year, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

"It is insane not to have started there. Given DOGE's comparative advantage in data analytics and [information technology], this is where it can have the greatest impact," said de Rugy. "Cracking down on this waste isn't just about saving money; it's about restoring integrity to safety-net programs and protecting taxpayers. And if fixing this problem is not quintessential 'efficiency,' what is?"

"Cutting $1 or $2 trillion was never feasible in the first place when 75 percent of spending goes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, veterans' benefits, and interest [payments on the national debt]—nearly all of which was taken off the table by Trump," said Jessica Riedl, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and former Senate budget staffer.

Trump campaigned on a promise not to touch Social Security and other entitlement programs, which ruled out much of the work DOGE could have done. Those so-called "mandatory" spending programs constitute the majority of federal spending and most of the expected spending growth in the coming years.

Achieving "the substantial $2 trillion in savings our nation urgently needs, we must address the primary driver of federal debt: unchecked mandatory spending," said Vance Ginn, who served in the first Trump administration as chief economist in the White House's Office of Management and Budget.

Misunderstanding How the Federal Budget Works

"DOGE failed because they got the order of operations wrong," said Ryan Young, a senior economist at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI). 

By targeting the federal payroll before reducing federal agencies' regulatory powers and eliminating programs, DOGE limited its effectiveness at saving money, Young argued. He pointed to the fact that the federal civilian payroll costs less than $300 billion annually while CEI estimates that the federal regulatory burden is a hidden tax costing well over $1 trillion.

"We're left instead with the worst of both worlds. Agencies still impose the same heavy regulatory burdens, but in some cases now lack the personnel to administer them. That means delays and paralysis for the private sector, while the quality of governance gets even worse," he said. "It's one more example of this administration's laziness. They go for the quick headline-grabbers, then call it a day."

"They were more interested in generating easy headlines by defunding small-ball costs like [diversity, equity, and inclusion] contracts, Politico subscriptions, foreign aid, and government employees," said Riedl. "MAGA voters loved the culture war bait, but that is not where the money is."

Musk was able to cut costs and reduce the employee headcount when he took over Twitter, and he likely thought a similar approach could work in Washington, said David Ditch, a senior fiscal policy analyst at the Economic Policy Innovation Center. It did not work out that way.

"The federal government is not a business, and the executive branch has very limited authority with respect to spending," explained Ditch. "While there is tremendous waste and dysfunction within the federal budget, the largest problem is the government doing too many things it shouldn't and subsidizing nearly everything under the sun. Congress has primary responsibility for the size, scope, and spending of the federal government."

"Elon Musk had good intentions but failed by misunderstanding that large-scale federal government reform is not a prerogative of the executive," said Romina Boccia, director of budget and entitlement policy for the Cato Institute. Instead of trying to do everything through the executive branch, DOGE could have put together a package of budget cuts for Congress to consider—like the one that Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) asked Musk to assemble. 

"In an attempt to act unilaterally, DOGE limited itself in scope and sabotaged its own chances of success," said Boccia. 

"Cancelling non-priority grants and laying off workers only gets you so far, given the federal government primarily funnels money from some to others," said Ryan Bourne, an economist at the Cato Institute. 

Even when it comes to things the federal government does clearly control, DOGE has done a poor job of constraining spending, said de Rugy. She suggests that DOGE should focus on government subsidies to private businesses and look at wasteful grant programs delivering billions of dollars to state governments.

"They were all over the place, overpromising things they couldn't deliver on," said de Rugy. "They had no theory about how to proceed."

Not Asking for Help

There is no shortage of people in and around Washington who have spent their entire careers studying the federal budget and advocating for cutting spending—including the people quoted in this article. But the Trump administration did not seek much input from the experts who might have pointed DOGE in a more productive direction.

Musk's team "seemed to believe that technical skills alone could solve entrenched budgetary issues—without doing the homework on how federal spending works or consulting with policy experts who've been in the trenches for years," said de Rugy. "Had they engaged with think tanks and fiscal reformers, they could have built a coherent strategy and better defended their spending cuts."

Riedl points to how the Trump administration fired inspectors general in several departments—exactly the types of insiders who should have been allies in any serious effort at curtailing waste, fraud, and abuse.

"There is an entire industry of economists, policy wonks, and government auditors who have spent decades identifying wasteful spending and drafting savings blueprints for an ambitious Congress or president to adopt," said Riedl. "Yet DOGE decided that 'the swamp' includes not only Washington's lobbyists and bureaucrats, but also seemingly anyone with an economics degree and familiarity with the federal budget."

Or Maybe It Didn't Fail?

A few of the experts interviewed by Reason pushed back on the idea that Musk's failure to deliver $2 trillion in budget cuts meant the DOGE project had not been successful in other ways.

"DOGE has sparked a valuable conversation about wasteful spending, and it's encouraging to see over 20 states, including Texas, follow suit with their own efficiency initiatives," said Ginn. 

If a rescissions package eventually gets to Congress and is passed, DOGE should be credited with saving billions of dollars of taxpayer money. "In absolute terms, this should be considered a success," said Ditch. 

Any assessment of DOGE must also consider the counterfactual of what would have happened if it had never been created, argued Bourne.

"Before the election last year, nobody was talking about cutting anything," he said. Now, the Trump administration has overseen a significant reduction in the size of the federal work force, gutted a few federal agencies, and shifted the conversation about wasteful government spending.

"On the margin, it may still wash out pretty positive," Bourne said, "relative to the counterfactual where DOGE didn't exist."

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  1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 months ago

    And Eric the fake libertarian is here to shit useless garbage into the ether yet again.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      And your comment is what?
      Not defending Eric, just pointing out that that is all that any of us is doing here.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        We don't get paid like Eric.

        1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 months ago

          They pay him?

          1. Dillinger   2 months ago

            how did these guys become billionaires again?

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              Musk is a brilliant innovator, has extraordinary anticipation of the markets and products of the future, and is willing to take huge risks.

              Donald Trump is a trust fund baby.

              1. Dillinger   2 months ago

                the guys signing Eric's check

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  Sorry, I thought you meant the ones screwing things up.

                  The Kochs made their money in energy, specifically oil and gas. So basically with lobbyists.

                  1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

                    The guys screwing things up left office January 20th of this year.

                  2. Dillinger   2 months ago

                    thank you

              2. Incunabulum   2 months ago

                So was Musk.

                1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

                  How the fuck do you figure that?

                2. Alberto Balsalm   2 months ago

                  Nope. He actually, mostly, bootstraped himself.

        2. Zeb   2 months ago

          Have you seen what most people who get paid to write put out? A lot who do it for free do a much better job. What's our excuse? At least Eric is getting paid to waste his days shitting out useless garbage on the internet.

        3. BenF   2 months ago

          Which makes your life even more pathetic.

  2. Anastasia Beaverhausen   2 months ago

    "Libertarians and other advocates for limited government have plenty of reasons to applaud those cuts."

    Wrong. This Libertarian isn't applauding the "cuts" because there's no proof yet that the cuts are actually happening. What's worse, the cuts were not made with any principles behind them except to poke a proverbial stick in the eyes of Trump's enemies. If we Libertarians had been in power, our cuts would have made sense and had a political platform outlining specifically what would be happening - if departments, agencies and bureaux are called for in the Constitution, they stay - if not, they get shut down.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   2 months ago

      “This libertarian” pull the other one.

      1. Nelson   2 months ago

        Aren’t you one of the social conservative/fiscal conservative people who pretend that doesn’t make them bog-standard conservatives?

        Fiscal conservatism crossed with classical liberal cultural policies makes a libertarian. So no abortion bans, porn bans, book bans, tyranny of the minority policies, etc. That’s a libertarian.

        If you don’t like people doing what they want, when they want, how they want (as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others), you can’t honestly claim to be a libertarian.

        1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

          “No abortion bans”

          Right, because murdering infants is totes libertarian.

          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

            The fetus had a choice, she put herself in her mom's womb, not her mom and dad, and she must die for it.

            Maybe if things like condoms, diaphragms, blowjobs, sponges, tubal ligation, the pill, anal sex, mutual masturbation, and dams existed they wouldn't have had to do the one thing guaranteed to make a baby.

            But none of those things exist so taking a creampie in the cunt totally wasn't a choice.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              “ The fetus had a choice, she put herself in her mom's womb, not her mom and dad, and she must die for it”

              That isn’t even vaguely relevant. Until there is a conflict of rights between the mother and the fetus, the mother wins. And individual rights require an individual. And until a fetus has the basic capacity to exist, it isn’t an individual.

              After viability, you have a point. Until then, you don’t.

    2. Spinach Chin   2 months ago

      What a load of shit...

      "Libertarians" insist that nothing at all happen without Congress passing a law, so "Libertarians" wouldn't cut jack shit.

      The System is broken. You can't fix it by attempting to work within the same broken system.

  3. JFree   2 months ago

    There is no shortage of people in and around Washington who have spent their entire careers studying the federal budget and advocating for cutting spending—including the people quoted in this article. But the Trump administration did not seek much input from the experts who might have pointed DOGE in a more productive direction.

    There's a shit ton more people who have never been to DC who have even better ideas - while spending a gawdawful amount of time standing around in a DMV line. They're NOT experts - who are ALL 100% corrupted because no one can earn a legal living by advocating fiscal responsibility by government.

    It's not about DOGE choosing the 'wrong direction'. It's about Trump/Musk/ilk pretending that they could make this a show and then move on to some new corrupt cronyist show. Rather than figure out how regular CITIZENS might do the blocking and tackling - yes paid - of holding governments feet to the fire - now and forever. Saving a true ton of money in reforming government rather than merely hyping an ideology. And yes - that is certainly possible.

    1. Don't look at me! (This post comes with a 10% tariff)   2 months ago

      EXPERTS!

      1. Freethinksman   2 months ago

        Yes, experts: People who spend their professional careers gaining experience in a particular field. Trump and his ilk did a marvelous job convinving the demitards who make up their base that there is no such thing as an expert (and Trump is more than happy to tell you why he knows "more about the cyber" than anyone. But the truth is, there are people who develop expertise. There is a difference between someone who can demonstrate proficiency and a celebrity who demands you trust him instead. Contrary to popular (on the right side of the aisle, anyway) stupidity, ignorance is not a perfectly suitable alternative to expertise. The "Dunning-Kruger Effect" describes mental disability this best, and the Republican base tend to demonstrate it best.

        1. JFree   2 months ago

          There is no such thing as an expert who decides how much you should be taxed or how much your government should spend on your behalf

        2. Trollificus   2 months ago

          Many of those '"demitards" (as you label them) are just going by the observed life phenomenon where the acquisition of this touted 'expertise' always seems to come with a heavy dose of political obligation and baggage; so that what we can expect to get from them is NOT unadulterated wisdom, but lobbyist-flavored demi-expertise. Which, in The Swamp, is used to impress smarty-mans such as yourself, invariably at some cost to the public coffers.

  4. Zeb   2 months ago

    Well, cutting $2 trillion without legislation was always a ridiculous idea. I still think there was a lot of value to the idea and it did uncover, or at least publicize, a lot of pretty crazy stuff about how the government disburses money and stopped some of the more egregious spending through USAID and some other agencies.

    1. MasterThief   2 months ago

      I think it was telling how much writers pushed back against most cuts they did make and simultaneously laughed at Musk for not cutting more than he had access to. Musk got the ball rolling and congress needs to step up and keep the momentum going.
      I also believe Musk is winding down his role because of the terms of his special employee status. He should be able to take another crack at it next year.

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        I hope so. It would be pretty disappointing if more didn't come of it.

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          More won’t come out of it and most of what was done will turn out to be smoke and mirrors. It’s the Trump Administration.

          This article has one of the most succinct encapsulations of them:

          “It's one more example of this administration's laziness. They go for the quick headline-grabbers, then call it a day."

          1. Don't look at me! (This post comes with a 10% tariff)   2 months ago

            We are doomed to never ending government spending! But it’s a good thing too!

            1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

              Oh, it will end alright. Start stocking your bunker now.

            2. Nelson   2 months ago

              I agree with the first statement completely, unfortunately. The second is completely wrong.

              I had hopes that Trump would flip-flop on entitlements, but once he kept those off the table we were basically screwed. When you walk off most of the budget from cuts, nothing can actually get done.

              1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                "Make cuts! Not there though! Or there! Not that either! You're doing it wrong! It's not enough! Stop looking there!"

                Weird how you claim to want to cut spending, but complain about everything.

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  I think there is a wealth of cuts that can be made. I just think they should be identified first and then cut. Through Congress. Otherwise you end up with the fired-then-rehired nonsense and tiny, meaningless cuts that won’t last.

                  Spending is a bipartisan problem. Spenders will find ways to spend unless it is prevented Congressionally.

          2. Trollificus   2 months ago

            Big improvement over the "Green New Deal" and the "Build Back Better" initiatives that were moslty handing out money to Dem-led states and organizations with a small percentage going towartds "climate salvation" and "infrastructure".

            At least the cuts, inadequate and ill-targeted as they are, are actually cuts.

      2. Freethinksman   2 months ago

        I like the fact that the Government Accountability Office (GAO) had to correct Elon. The "Deep State" knows a whole lot more about money in government than even Big Balls. The fact that Elon has said nothing about the cost of Trump's birthday parade says all anyone would need to hear about how serious "DOGE" ever was. The whole nonsensical escapade to weaken the administrations that insist on following the law was always a transparent ruse. But Trump's willingness to accept a new 747 from Qatar which he plans to keep after he leaves means he will be responsible personally for swiping 400 million dollars from the Federal government. This was never about saving anything. If someone had seriously tried to audit agencies it thought were misspending their congressionally apporved budgets, they would have started with that: discovering what and where the waste was/ might possibly be. This clusterfuck of a rape of the Federal government, spearheaded by a guy who already stole top secret documents should surprise no one. Then again, you'd think that people getting fucked over by the Grifter-in-Cheif would be upset about it, especially when it is pointed out to them in ways so simple they could even understand. But they don't. We have gotten the charlatan we deserved. America is so fucking fat and lazy and dumb that even when he tells them about the illegal things he plans to do, they don't raise a hand to ask why he is behaving illegally. Instead they trip over their own fat trying to invent nonsense stories that make sense out of what is so obviously nonsense. Fuck gullible stupidity. I wish there was some kind of penalty people faced for being so fucking intellectually lazy.But Trump took that away too, leaving the halfwit demitards cheering for him even as he fucks them.

    2. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

      It would be much easier if there weren’t a pack of treasonous democrat judges interfering illegally with the Executive Branch.

      Nothing changes while democrats are allowed to exist.

  5. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    Eric you subhuman trash you complain when trump tries to minimize goverment, the you bitch when it doest go as far as you want. Why don't you point the finger at the evil Marxists on the bench and in the beurocracy? You can't because your an anti human a Marxist shill

    1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

      He is filth. No question.

  6. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    DOGE is clearly a net good.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      I don't get why so many (at least among libertarians and conservatives) are down on it so much. It's definitely disappointing that there haven't been more actual cuts to spending. But that was never going to be easy or fast. Even if the degree to which DOGE has had an effect is less than I might have hoped, getting an audit of the executive branch started at least is a very good thing and it has already exposed a lot of pretty shady shit.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

        the death blow to USAID is monumental. It may never recover.

        1. charliehall   2 months ago

          Indeed US influence in much of the world is now at an end.

          1. Zeb   2 months ago

            That's ridiculous.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              There’s a reason foreign aid is referred to as “soft power”. We lost a lot of influence around the world.

              Even worse, it happened at a time when China is actively challenging us with their Belt and Road initiative and foreign aid. We’re going to find ourselves with much fewer regional allies in the near future.

              1. Don't look at me! (This post comes with a 10% tariff)   2 months ago

                Is that what your girlfriend calls it? Soft power?

              2. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

                and i should care why? Fuck USAID and fuck sending my money to buy 50 million condoms in Mozambique

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  Sure, until China takes over as the dominant world power. Then suddenly it will be a problem.

                  You don’t really think the developing world supported us out of the goodness of their hearts, do you?

                  And if you ignore soft power, all that’s left to expand our influence is military action. And that’s a terrible place to be.

                  1. Steve@mozmail.com   2 months ago

                    Sir, all of the friends you have bought in your life will fuck you when you are broke. Bought friends are worthless. Friends with common goals will stick with you. Didn't your daddy teach you anything?

                    1. Nelson   2 months ago

                      In international relations, bought friends are almost all there are. Virtually no one chooses allies based on shared values.

                    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

                      He had a daddy?

              3. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

                "There’s a reason foreign aid is referred to as “soft power”."

                USAID WAS NOT FOREIGN AID.

                The State Department handles foreign aid under the International Affairs Budget.

                I get that the media is deliberately confusing the two but the United States Agency for International Development was the CIAs checkbook for things too shitty to do with its own budget, and the Uniparty's way of practicing massive graft and getting things done through "NGOs" that were constitutionally illegal.

                1. Trollificus   2 months ago

                  ^ This.

          2. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

            It's like you didnt read a single thing about what USAID was doing and what spending got cut.

            1. Nelson   2 months ago

              It isn’t about whether or not a specific program made you happy or sad. Your policy preferences aren’t the issue. If you go from spending money in a poor country to not spending money, especially while China is literally building infrastructure there, guess what happens when you need something? Or want to create a US-friendly consensus in the region? Or are in competition with China for mineral rights or rare earths or oil or anything else?

              Saying, “I don’t like what the programs did so I am happy they’re gone” makes your ilk feel powerful and relevant, but it does nothing to expand the US’s global influence. It’s about as foolish and shortsighted as foreign policy gets.

              In foreign policy, no one cares about feelings. Certainly not the snowflake sensibilities of American conservatives. All that matters is whether we are giving something to someone else, with the understanding that they choose us when we call about international issues.

              Thinking that foreign aid is anything other than thinly-veiled bribes is naive.

              1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

                Again, foreign aid comes from the State Department's International Affairs Budget. USAID has nothing to do with that. The name only sounds like it does.

                1. Nelson   2 months ago

                  It’s foreign aid. It goes to projects all over the world. It is soft power. Just because it isn’t one specific type of foreign aid doesn’t make it disappear.

          3. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

            You’re a dumb cunt.

            Were you aware of that?

        2. Freethinksman   2 months ago

          it WILL never recover. After WWII America had the power to crush anyone on the planet. But we didn't. We built it up. Our currency became the reserve currency of the world and Americans got used to thinking they simply earned lower interest rates than anywhere else in the world. That advantage took generations to solidify when we were already thought of as the good guys. Trump threw that goodwill (and with it the fundamental backbone of the economy out the window. Wh the hell would trust us now? I sure as hell wouldn't! Not even our (technically speaking) "allies" are under the illusion that America will be there when needed. They saw what Trump did *to* Zalensky and *for* Putin. They watched him willingly drive his own country's economy off a cliff. They know Americans can and will elect (and then fucking re-elect!!!) A moronic fucktard as President and fight to make him king. You'd have to be a complete idiot to trust America after this!

          1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

            You have nothing to say. And you’re saying it too loudly.

            1. Freethinksman   2 months ago

              Denying what simply *is* will never change reality, no matter how angry Fox tells you to be.

              1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                CNN doesn't define "what is". Neither do you, freefromthoughtsman.

                1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

                  Why is it that steaming piles of shit adopt obviously false handles? Dos the non-thinksman somehow hope we won't notice s/he's one more lefty parrot?

              2. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

                You have zero understanding of reality, and you also have a tendency to lie, as you are a liar and propagandist.

      2. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

        "I don't get why so many (at least among libertarians and conservatives) are down on it so much."

        I have yet to meet a single Libertarian or Conservative that is "down on DOGE" IRL. Sure you'll find people online commenting negatively, but you'll find people online commenting negatively about anything.

        If DOGE is useless, then the only thing worse is the Pundit Class commenting on DOGE.

        1. Dillinger   2 months ago

          ^^^ the authors at this site are not cites.

        2. Zeb   2 months ago

          I have met such people, but you make a fair point.

        3. MasterThief   2 months ago

          At worst there is disappointment that more couldn't be cut. I figured 300-600B was a reasonable amount to cut before getting into entitlements. They only really had the authorization to trim the fat. On top of the fat trimming they pointed towards billions more in fraud and abuse that required other actions to eliminate. Shouldn't we be cheering the hollowing out of departments and shutting down partisan pet projects?
          Also, are the numbers presented a current tally of money saved? Can we expect to see more savings from activities, employees, buildings, and resources we won't have to pay for in the future? Currently we're still stuck paying for much of it this year.

          1. Nelson   2 months ago

            The numbers are DOGE’s claims about what they saved. Needless to say, those numbers will be significantly smaller than advertised.

            1. Don't look at me! (This post comes with a 10% tariff)   2 months ago

              Like your dick.

              1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   2 months ago

                Dude you're hilarious.

                1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

                  He’s also much smarter than you. And not worthless trash, like you.

      3. Incunabulum   2 months ago

        'Libertarians' believe in 'following the rules' nowadays - even when the rules are weaponized against them. DOGE didn't do things 'the accepted way' (never mind that the accepted way works to maintain the status quo) thus they hate DOGE.

        We're somehow supposed to change the results of the system without changing the system - again, by electing 'the right people' despite supposedly understanding that if your system *needs* the right people you're fucked because all you'll ever get are power-hungry morons.

      4. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

        I can tell you why, they wanted/expected and were promised more and for once in their life it looked like someone would try to deliver. It's unrealistic but hope dashed against evil obstacles is more bitter than wishful thinking. Also, a lot of the time it looks like they're not pushing hard enough because court dates and procedures are boring when you'd prefer a wrecking ball.

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ DOGE is clearly a net good”

      You have a strange dictionary if it defines “net good” as “ineffective hot mess”.

  7. Liberty_Belle   2 months ago

    It was always doomed to fail as the hubris to think they could go in with zero practical knowledge and effect 80+ percent change to something is preposterous. This is what happens when the "I'll just run the government like a business" idiots actually get in charge. The purpose of a business is (mostly) profit. The purpose of government very quickly becomes more government. It gets everywhere and into every aspect; you need a different set of tools to tackle it.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      That is true in many ways, but I think some practices of business can apply well here. Such as making sure employees actually do something useful. And demanding a paper trail and accountability for how money is spent.

      1. Nelson   2 months ago

        I’m a fan of both of those ideas. I wish they had actually tried to do them instead of firing people willy-nilly, then having to hire them back. Putting some thought in first, rather than the ready, shoot, aim approach of DoGE, would have been much, much better.

    2. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      No you Marxist cunt, this is what happens when parasites like you know their grift is in jeopardy so they pull out all the stops. Or are you one of those people that think it's fine for the Treasury to cut checks based on zero info but a demand, or paying SS to people not yet born.

  8. Dillinger   2 months ago

    everything is fine calm down nobody told you to believe all the words the monsters say

  9. See.More   2 months ago

    If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

    Ronald Reagan

    1. charliehall   2 months ago

      Tariffs are a subsidy to businesses that can't compete in the world market. Reagan was a free trader who opposed tariffs. Reagan also was pro-immigration and gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. Reagan also wanted the US to be aggressive in opposing dictatorial regimes. He would never support these Trump policies today.

      1. Nelson   2 months ago

        I believe the Republican Party has given up on Reagan’s economic and fiscal policies. They kept the culture wars and the religious right and ditched the good parts.

        1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

          It’s hard to cut anything when you and your democrat friends publicly eviscerate any republican who dares to cut a penny.

          As usual, YOU are the problem.

      2. DesigNate   2 months ago

        Can you compete with subsistence wages?

  10. charliehall   2 months ago

    It wasn't about the money, it was about destroying America's scientific infrastructure. And in that, it has succeeded.

    1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

      Nope.

  11. Pilate   2 months ago

    The title begs the question. Mr. Boehm is libertarian weeny, like most all the other contributors - always whining and crying foul no matter what. It's a tiresome collection of half witted 'I told you so' rants.

    1. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

      “Mr. Boehm fellates libertarian weeny, but is a progressive”

      FIFY

  12. Nelson   2 months ago

    My fear is that, because DOGE over promises and underdelivered, that people will believe cutting spending can’t work. It can’t work alone, and it definitely can’t work without Congress, but now that there has been such a “look at me” failure, people may be less willing to believe it when someone says they can cut government spending.

    Plus long as entitlements are left alone, we can’t balance the budget. Full stop.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      That's right—cutting spending can't work. It's not going to happen. The deficit spending will continue and increase until the final collapse. We're too close to the cliff to hit the brakes now. Stock your bunker or plan to self-terminate.

      1. Nelson   2 months ago

        “ That's right—cutting spending can't work.”

        No, cutting non-entitlement spending, non-defense spending can’t work. The only way to get to a balanced budget is to reform entitlements (raising the age on SS and negotiating all drug prices for Medicare, not just 10 each year), for example. What Musk was doing was porn for the MAGA base and window dressing.

        “ The deficit spending will continue and increase until the final collapse.

        That is the path we’re on. We have a two party system and both spend irresponsibly. Yet another argument in favor of RCV.

      2. Otto Penn, American President 2021-2025   2 months ago

        No, we can always eliminate the democrat scourge along with any RINO filth that interfere. There is no reason to allow them to exist. At least not in America.

        Why do we allow their continued existence?

  13. The Radical Individualist   2 months ago

    Let's consider: Everything was working great in DC until Elon came along. DC is a well oiled machine, stripped to bone with no waste or political patronage.

    Yeah, right. Not even Reason believes that horseshit. So why is Reason pretending that Elon didn't have his work cut out for him? So, he's only saved us 20% of what he promised. I'll take it, for now. We've got three more years to get the other 20%. And I don't care what bureaucrat or what Reason editor has to suffer for it.

    1. Nelson   2 months ago

      He “saved” us less than 10% of what he claimed, and that’s only if his numbers hold up. Which, as has been pointed out by analyzing the “cuts”, they won’t.

      If they take on entitlements and go through Congress, they have a chance. Otherwise it will be zero by the time midterms roll around.

      1. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

        so? DOGE Is clearly a move in the right direction, no?

        Better to have DOGED and lost than never to have DOGED at all, wouldnt you say

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          “ so? DOGE Is clearly a move in the right direction, no?”

          Sure, in the same way that moving 1” forward in a 100 meter race is a move in the right direction. It’s not noticeable or effective in achieving the goal, but it isn’t nothing.

          If your bar for “good” is “slightly more than nothing”, you’ll never achieve any goals.

          “ Better to have DOGED and lost than never to have DOGED at all, wouldnt you say”

          No. I’d rather there was an actually effective effort at cutting spending and balancing the budget. This wasn’t that. It wasn’t even related.

      2. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

        If they take on entitlements and go through Congress, they have a chance.

        Wrong. There is absolutely no chance that Congress will pass the reforms to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the military needed to cut the deficits enough to avoid catastrophe. We're doomed.

        1. Nelson   2 months ago

          I fear you are correct. But that also doesn’t justify the hot mess that was/is DOGE.

      3. Trollificus   2 months ago

        The "chance" that Congresspersons will do something courageous, intelligent and moral?? The kind of thing they have diligently avoided in the decades I have observed them?

        That chance? Here is where I would put the "ludicrously unlikely event" that would demonstrate how unlikely that is...but really, there's nothing less likely.

  14. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

    First of all Doge isn't going away. It is an existing executive agency. And the fact that Musk is leaving, as he always said he would, doesn't mean that the agency has or will fail. And the big complaint seems to be that Doge didn't go after the big spenders SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Treasury and the Pentagon. Eric even implies that this is due to trump's promise not to touch entitlements. Bullshit. Activist judges acting on behalf of parasite government employees have prevented Doge from auditing those agencies and they are still finding significant fraud and waste. Doge doesn't have the power to cut spending it's purpose is to expose the waste and fraud. These savings will not become apparent until budget surpluses show up when the agency heads do the cutting. And Eric may be the only person on the planet that thinks that when Trump said he wouldn't touch entitlements he meant he planned to protect fraud and waste. Meanwhile DOE has been significantly downsized along with others like USAID. Doge isn't going anywhere and it's absurd to claim that it has already failed.

    1. MasterThief   2 months ago

      Shhh, any context outside of his narrow framing is not allowed.

    2. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ have prevented Doge from auditing those agencies”

      They have the power to audit any executive agency, assuming Trump is on board. Which he is.

      There’s a difference between auditing and finding actual waste, fraud, and abuse to cut. Witness the embarrassment that was the 130-year-old Social security recipients … who weren’t getting Social Security. Which was a very, very easy thing to determine if they weren’t just looking for publicity and were actually trying to find waste, fraud, and abuse.

      “ they are still finding significant fraud and waste”

      Really? Like the pennies they actually found with in Social Security? It’s like the Keystone Cops over there. They haven’t found anything new or interesting, just the same stuff that is constantly being found already.

      “ Doge doesn't have the power to cut spending it's purpose is to expose the waste and fraud”

      That’s news to anyone who has ever seen Trump or Musk talk about it. Remember the chainsaw? Nothing says “accountants carefully searching for instances of fraud” like a chainsaw.

      “ These savings will not become apparent until budget surpluses show up when the agency heads do the cutting”

      There will be no budget surpluses. We already know the deficit will grow. He can’t even stop increasing the deficit, let alone break even, never mind surpluses.

      “ And Eric may be the only person on the planet that thinks that when Trump said he wouldn't touch entitlements he meant he planned to protect fraud and waste”

      His point, as is the point made by anyone actually serious in their belief that the budget has to be balanced, is that without entitlement reform nothing will change.

      “ Meanwhile DOE has been significantly downsized along with others like USAID”

      And yet, the deficit is still going to grow under Trump. Maybe he could, I don’t know, actually cut spending in a way that will last? And not keep trying to find ways to cut taxes for everyone above the middle class while screwing everyone middle class and below?

      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

        Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair, Nelson.

        Haha. What a whiny bitch.

  15. Uncle Jay   2 months ago

    "Why DOGE Failed."

    DOGE has no teeth to remove waste and fraud in the federal government because Congress holds the purse strings...and you can bet both the House and the Senate love their pork, waste and corruption.
    So, don't expect the unnecessary and wasteful spending to stop.

  16. RickAbrams   2 months ago

    Musk's thinking that there were even $1Trillion of possible cuts qualifies him to also joining the Flat Earth Society. Both trump and Musk fail to realize that the things that government does needs to be done and it costs money. Cutting health care murders people -- so much for government of, for and by the people. Neither Trump nor Trump do cost benefit analyses. They think that if money is going out, than then is bad, but the ignore that the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution are designed to create a mutually cooperative government that they costs money. If Musk were to cut money from the NFL, he'd fire all the referees and remove all the yard and boundary lines and goal posts.

    1. Don't look at me! (This post comes with a 10% tariff)   2 months ago

      The guy is such an obvious dummy. I’m sure you have done more with your life.

    2. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      They think that if money is going out, than then is bad

      When the amount of money going out is an existential threat, that is correct. No one will care that the Well Baby Clinic shut down when their wheelbarrow of trillion-dollar Federal Reserve Notes won't buy a loaf of bread.

    3. DesigNate   2 months ago

      The fact you morons say there’s nothing to cut while also giving Trump shit for signing the CARES act (which the democrats turned around and made the baseline spending for the next year) puts lie to all of your posturing.

    4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "Musk's thinking that there were even $1Trillion of possible cuts qualifies him to also joining the Flat Earth Society."

      And tell us about the end of times, slimy pile of shit.

  17. Eeyore   2 months ago

    Eliminate every agency that isn't mentioned in the constitution. Then you will get some savings. It also makes rooting out fraud easier. When you cut down the entire tree it kills the blight in that tree. If it's good enough to prevent chicken flu - it's good enough for government.

    1. Nelson   2 months ago

      “ Eliminate every agency that isn't mentioned in the constitution.”

      Then America would fail because we aren’t living in the 18th century any more. Failing to keep up with the world as it exists is a quick way to fail as a country.

  18. jonball52   2 months ago

    The DOGEbags didn't "fail" in the sense of not doing what they set out to do. They had no intention of trying to identify and eliminate "waste, fraud and abuse," leaving behind streamlined and more efficient government agencies. What they intended to do was to gut government agencies that that they dislike for ideological and personal reasons, such as any agencies auditing Musk's contracts, and that's exactly what they did.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

      The department of education is auditing musk’s contracts? If so, I’d say that’s well outside of their purview, wouldn’t you?

      Lol. You’re an idiot, Jon. Go back to daily kos.

  19. jagjr   2 months ago

    what he got wrong?? practically everything. he failed to understand how money is managed in the federal government, how contracts work (despite having multiple contracts via multiple companies), what the law requires, etc. he cost taxpayers more through arbitrary cuts, some of which were reversed in court, because of the time value of money and not understanding what he cut before he cut it. every change that gets reverted costs more than simple status quo. he failed business 101 - he'd have been laughed out of any boardroom in the country with the chaotic, arbitrary, and thoughtless way he approached the problem. he violated rule 1 in making changes to a bureaucracy - get the right folks onboard early & avoid creating antibodies. basically, he got nothing right except the noble goal of reducing the size of our bloated federal government, and he failed utterly to actually do that.

    1. Don't look at me! (This post comes with a 10% tariff)   2 months ago

      The guy will never make it the business world.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      You.
      Are.
      Also.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

  20. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

    DOGE did not fail. They installed an unaccountable deep state bureaucracy that wrecked havoc and committed crimes.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      You.
      Too.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.
      Fuck off and die, asshole.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Because that's what audits that expose graft, and lead to whole departments being eliminated, do. cReaTE bUrEauCracY.

      Tell us Tony, did the big red nose come free with the clown shoes?

  21. AT   2 months ago

    Still, $170 billion is plainly not $2 trillion.

    Still, 9% is 9%.

    We get excited when we can knock 9% off our car insurance premiums. So stop stomping on the sunshine, jerkfag.

    Refusing To Touch Entitlement Spending

    They can't.

    Your pretending they can is the epitome of fake news, and why journalists are the single most hated people on the entire planet.

    Seriously, the normals want to hang you from trees and beat you with sticks until candy comes out. Or you stop moving. They'll take either.

    nearly all of which was taken off the table by Trump," said Jessica Riedl

    Hang her from a tree. Hit her with a stick.

    Trump didn't "take it off the table." It was never ON the table. Trump merely echoed that fact and turned it into a campaign promise he knew he could deliver on.

    "We're left instead with the worst of both worlds. Agencies still impose the same heavy regulatory burdens, but in some cases now lack the personnel to administer them. That means delays and paralysis for the private sector, while the quality of governance gets even worse," he said.

    Hang him from a tree. Hit him with a stick.

    Great. Delays and paralysis for the private sector only illustrate what the private sector doesn't need the "regulatory burdens" in the first place. When your bureaucracy causes paralysis, people will start to ignore the bureaucracy.

    But the Trump administration did not seek much input from the experts

    Yea, COVID taught us a real object lesson when it comes to "the experts."

    Consider yourself lucky we're not out there killing "the experts." Because that's what they deserve.

    exactly the types of insiders who should have been allies in any serious effort at curtailing waste, fraud, and abuse.

    Except for the fact that we KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that they wouldn't be "allies." They would be spies, saboteurs, and enemy agents.

    Hey, rectal cancer, can I count on you to help me?
    Absolutely. Pay no attention to the fact that I'm full of sh**.

    Or Maybe It Didn't Fail?

    Why didn't you just run the article that way, Eric?

    Hang Eric from a tree. Hit him with a stick.

  22. Incunabulum   2 months ago

    DOGE didn't fail - it was certainly underwhelming, but it got rid of USAID and brought the Democrat-NGO axis to the public's perception.

    First they said there was 'no deep-state' but there was. Then there was no collusion between the government and Progressive interests - but there was.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      Why did Boehm fail?
      Simple. He is a steaming, lying, pile of TDS addled shit, riding the swamp gravy-train who needs to get ass-reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick and then fuck off and die.
      Eric, I'm serious. Go find a job, shitstain.

  23. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

    Maybe look at your own publication's writings for an answer. First it's abolish everything then when any movement is made to do so you scream "NO!!! NOT LIKE THAT!!" at every single step and you supposedly aren't even the ones whose political power depends on those payouts.

  24. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

    DOGE failed because it was a show pony and not a workhorse. DOGE never took on the really hard programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. It never really looked at defense spending or programs that big business and the wealthy want to keep. In the end it just gave the idea of cutting the government budget a black eye.

    1. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

      By this "logic" NASA was a failure because your road still has potholes.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

        You should try this again because you analogy makes no sense.

        BTW - I don't think any of the NASA programs doing business with Musk got cut.

        1. Use the Schwartz   2 months ago

          You should try this again because you analogy makes no sense.

          That was the point you numpty.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      DOGE didn't fail. It's just getting started. Musk said right at the beginning he was only going to be involved with setting it up.

      Eric is dishonestly pretending that it is winding down or something. It's not. Eric's just concern trolling.

      All the other narratives you swallowed were establishment media creations.

  25. Winston in Wonderland   2 months ago

    I work on several large engineering projects with the Federal Government. Some workers are GREAT! The other workers are absolute deadwood. Most of the GREAT workers are relatively new, and likely not as well paid as other works.

    The only people I've seen taking Trump's early retirement and severance offers have been the GREAT workers. They all know they can get a better paying job in the private sector. What is left behind is a pool of highly paid incompetent, lazy slugs.

  26. JasonT20   2 months ago

    "We're left instead with the worst of both worlds. Agencies still impose the same heavy regulatory burdens, but in some cases now lack the personnel to administer them. That means delays and paralysis for the private sector, while the quality of governance gets even worse," he said. "It's one more example of this administration's laziness. They go for the quick headline-grabbers, then call it a day."

    This was always going to be the problem. Trump is infamously uninterested in learning new things and finding out the details of how things work (Why should he when he already knows more than anyone else about everything?). It should not be a surprise to anyone that his second Administration, where underlings are valued for loyalty more than anything else, would be just as disinterested in doing the hard work of actually solving complex problems. Doing anything other than making claims of great success was never going to be on the to-do lists of anyone at DOGE.

  27. arpiniant1   2 months ago

    Huh, you elect a gameshow host and he brings in a drug addled investor who has never worked in gov't and it is a mystery why they failed
    Actually, they didn't fail, you just don't understand the purpose
    traitortrump is only interested in people saying his name, so DOGE was a yuuuuge success

  28. Lester75   2 months ago

    Firing so many of the inspectors general was dumb and showed they were unserious about actually cutting costs. They could have purged the ones who were political apologists and then used the recommendations of others to reduce waste, fraud and programs in a meaningful (and higher $$) way rather than cutting only people in a chaotic and ineffective way.

  29. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 months ago

    Eric Boehm appears to be either incapable of seeing the benefits of DOGE, or is so severely inflicted with TDS that he is lying to himself. Granted, DOGE has not produced 2 trillion dollars of savings, but failing to reach an unrealistic amount of savings does not constitute failure.

    I counter that DOGE has been a success even though it has not been wildly successful at this point of time.

    DOGE has been successful by exposing fraud, waste, and abuse that has resulted in the elimination of staff, projects, departments and while I would like much more, one cut is better than none (or more realistic, increased funding of the exposing fraud, waste, and abuse).

    DOGE has been successful by changing the narrative so that exposing fraud, waste, and abuse is desirable, that it's now in the vernacular, that it's a concept in the mind of the public and not just a few libertarians.

    The other issue will all the lamenting and hand wringing that Eric Boehm is hanging his hat on is the notion that "Rome was built in a Day". Of course it's ludicrous to expect 2 trillion dollars savings in just over 100 days, but then again Eric Boehm is well, Eric Boehm and either he is literal to a fault with absolute zero common sense, or he is simply so entirely deranged that 1.9 trillion dollars would still constitute a failure in his illogical mind.

    I will take DOGE, with it limited savings over the non-action, whining that Eric Boehm prefers. Eric Boehm would rather complain that accept anything less than the perfect pipe-dream he has concocted, but doesn't stand any chance of ever seeing the light of day in the real world.

    1. arpiniant1   2 months ago

      Changing the narrative, yes, that traitortrump is unserious and brings in those who flatter him rather than those who know how to do the job.
      Who do you think is most aware of waste in gov't?
      Those who work there
      Yeah, fire em all that will work

      not

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        Wut?

  30. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    DOGE hasn’t failed—it’s only just getting started. The vast majority of its targets haven’t even been investigated yet. To put it in perspective, less than 10% of the roadmap has been acted on. As for Elon Musk, he was clear from the outset that his role would be limited to the early stages of getting DOGE off the ground. That was always the plan.

    Boehm’s article is a transparent attempt to mislead. He’s pretending DOGE is winding down or losing steam, but that’s simply not true. What he’s doing is classic concern trolling—posing as worried or sympathetic while pushing a narrative designed to undermine confidence.

    And let’s be honest: most of the other talking points critics are parroting didn’t come from independent thinkers. They were crafted and amplified by the Democrats establishment media with a vested interest in seeing DOGE discredited. Reuters, the NYT, Politico, etc. all lost big income sources when USAID went down. They are absolutely furious.

    Don’t buy into Boehm's concern trolling. DOGE is still alive, active, and continuing to gain momentum.

    1. YuckFou   2 months ago

      Well put.

      The only thing that I WISH would happen, (but know it won't), is criminal prosecution for the giant grift of the NGOs. But there isn't time.

  31. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    Pretty rich from the "You can't do that!" crowd.
    Sounds a lot like blaming the victim.

  32. YuckFou   2 months ago

    Click bait for the tiny-brained.
    "DOGE failed" - HAHAHAHAHAHA!

  33. jonnysage   2 months ago

    DOGE failed because this is a federalist republic, not a dictatorship. Things only happen is there is consensus for them to happen, and you follow the law. And half the country opposes anything the other half does by default, and massive change cant happen without the people, reps, and at least 2 branches agreeing and changing the law where needed.

    Musk learned a lesson, I think.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      When really all it would take is a Supreme Court with a 1st Grader or better reading and comprehension level to honorably rule what isn't an enumerated power of the fed isn't an enumerated power and 87% of the [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire would disappear overnight or be treated as USA treasonous agencies.

      1. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

        The Supreme Court is Missing Inaction and Presumed Dead. The chance for a reanimated Supreme Court to declare the original intent of the framers to be the clear and unequivocal law of the land is vanishingly small.

      2. jonnysage   2 months ago

        Only if everyone else agreed. The court has no power to enforce their opinion. Congress, exec, people could ignore them and say yeah, weed IS legal, corps arent people, abortion is a right, etc.

        NOthing works unless everyone generally agrees, which is how we got the new deal and cradle to grave govt. Court doesnt care because people dont care. They want their handouts.

  34. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    Look, this failure had nothing whatever to do with Musk or DOGE. It failed because Trump never seriously wanted to cut bureaucracy. He seems to be just fine with violating the Constitution on foreign trade and illegal immigrants, simply bulldozing ahead regardless of the courts and letting the chips fall where they may. If he had issued ten Executive Orders in his first week in office declaring ten of the Federal cabinet-level departments to be unconstitutional, firing all of their employees, refusing to enforce any of the laws or regulations related to those departments and refusing to spend any of the funds allocated for their salaries, thus relieving private enterprise of any responsibility to conform it would have had a huge and immediate positive impact on the economy and innovation. By the time the courts got around to sputtering with incoherent rage, the benefits would have been so great and obvious that no one would dare oppose it. But it turns out Trump has no intention of downsizing government. He simply wants to bend the bureaucracy to his will, show them who's boss and use its power for his own purposes. Which will fail as he himself has said repeatedly whether he realizes it or not.

    1. TJJ2000   2 months ago

      Contrast what he has done to what we've gotten in the last century.

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