What If Native American Tribes Had Gotten Their Own State?
Historian Donald L. Fixico explores a forgotten moment in Oklahoma history and its lessons about liberty.

The State of Sequoyah: Indigenous Sovereignty and the Quest for an Indian State, by Donald L. Fixico, University of Oklahoma Press, 206 pages, $34.95
In McGirt v. Oklahoma (2020), the Supreme Court rejected Oklahoma's attempt to prosecute crimes committed on a reservation by an Indian. Henceforth, the tribe, not the state, would have jurisdiction over Indian crimes on Indian lands. It was such a win for Indian sovereignty that the Muscogee have dubbed July 9, the day the decision came down, as Sovereignty Day.
If history had taken a different turn, the place now known as Oklahoma could have seen an even stronger win for Native American sovereignty. That area was once known as Indian Territory: a land where tribes displaced from other parts of the U.S. had been resettled. In 1890, a part of it was carved out to form the Oklahoma Territory, but a large portion of what is now the state of Oklahoma remained in Indigenous hands. Even as the Oklahoma Territory applied for statehood, so did the Indian zone. On November 7, 1905, delegates from the Five Tribes—the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee, and Seminole—met in Muskogee, Oklahoma, at the Hinton Theater. They voted overwhelmingly to support a constitution for a proposed state of Sequoyah, named for the Indian who was the first to write down the Cherokee language.
They lost that fight: When Oklahoma was admitted to the Union in 1907, the Indian and Oklahoma territories were consolidated into a single state. But in The State of Sequoyah, which relates the history of that battle and of the larger idea of an Indian state, the Arizona State University policy historian and ethnohistorian Donald L. Fixico makes a case for the continued relevance of such ideas. "If the District of Columbia or Puerto Rico are possible candidates for statehood, then so should be the state of Sequoyah," he argues.
The Five Tribes were not actually "tribes" in the sense that most people use the word today: They consisted of autonomous townlike communities, each with their own histories and their own systems of property and governance. In the decades that followed their removal from the East, the Five Tribes revised their traditional infrastructures, adopted constitutions, and, in Fixico's words, "began endowing a central, collective sovereignty."
Fixico demonstrates how deeply ingrained the idea of an Indian state is in the history of Indian-white relations. The concept itself goes back at least as far as the Treaty of Fort Pitt, signed on September 17, 1778, which promised the Delaware Indians an offer "to join the present confederation, and to form a state whereof the Delaware nation shall be the head, and have a representative of Congress." Needless to say, this was not how we got the state of Delaware. The new nation's first treaty with an Indian nation was, thus, also the first to be broken.
Secession provided another opportunity. The Confederacy promised Indian Territory statehood in exchange for support, and many Native nations provided soldiers to the Confederate cause. That path to an Indian state disappeared when the South lost the war.
During Reconstruction, the federal government forced the Five Tribes to unify into a single structure, though each retained a degree of autonomy and each sent delegates to the convention for statehood. The Reconstruction-era government also trampled tribal sovereignty by asserting federal authority over all major crimes, even though the Five Tribes had their own courts and their own police. After Reconstruction, the Dawes Act of 1887 broke up the tribes' landholdings and imposed a system of individually held property whether or not the Indians involved wanted it. (In practice, this was used to free up land for white settlers.) The Curtis Act of 1898 continued the reorganization of Native property rights and also abolished the Five Nations' tribal courts.
At the end of the 19th century, the government repeatedly and continually opened more land for settlement in the area that is now Oklahoma. The land rushes of 1889 and 1891 together opened more than 2 million acres of land for settlement. In 1893, 100,000 people participated in the biggest land run in American history: the Cherokee Outlet Run.
The land rush included not just whites but around 3,000 African Americans. Many of these new arrivals offered yet another political vision: a black state in Indian Territory. Oklahoma clubs in Kansas hoped to establish black homesteads and all-black towns. Many of these migrants were former slaves of masters from the Five Nations. Some of them wanted to settle on the Unappropriated Lands in Indian Territory—that is, those lands within Indian Territory that were not settled by Indians.
Some Indians resisted black settlers, wanted freedmen removed from their reservations, and had their governments formally forbid intermarriage with African Americans. Oklahoma Territory legislators tried to drive out black settlers too and adopted segregationist policies. They certainly weren't willing to make room for a black state.
The dream of an Indian state died as well: President Teddy Roosevelt decided it was against "Republican policy" to form two states from the region, and the single state of Oklahoma was admitted instead. (Republican policy are the words the Indian delegates who met with Roosevelt used to describe his stance. It is not clear what policy the president was referring to.)
It is hard to say in retrospect how close Indians were to securing their own state, though Fixico shows there was a substantial consensus within the tribes in favor of forming one. If Roosevelt had been more supportive, or if "Republican policy" had allowed it, there may have been an opportunity for Congress to consider the idea. But the lack of support from the top of the Republican administration seems to have doomed the proposal.
In the wake of that failed fight, there would be many more reminders of why so many Natives wanted a state of their own. Indians continued to face forced assimilation into the white American mainstream, and after World War II the federal government tried to eliminate tribal sovereignty outright—a time known as the Termination Era, because Washington explicitly aimed to assimilate tribal governance into the state and federal governments. Not until the 1960s did President John F. Kennedy start putting the brakes on termination, and not until the 1970s did self-determination become national policy.
Even after that, Congress asserts powers over Indian country that it does not claim over the states, such as authority over major crimes. Even after McGirt, the Supreme Court has yet to reject the notion that Indians are a "domestic dependent" nation. Paternalism continues to be the overarching principle: Most reservation land is held in perpetual federal trust.
Would an Indian state offer more autonomy? As James Madison argued in Federalist No. 45, the powers reserved to the states are "numerous and indefinite." Tribal sovereignty is more circumscribed and limited. An Indian state would perhaps offer greater autonomy for Native Americans than the current reservation system.
Fixico does not explore what an "Indian state" would look like today. Sequoyah would have occupied a specific contiguous area, with special emphasis on the Five Tribes. What an Indian state could be today, given that there are 574 federally recognized tribal entities, is not clear, but that does not seem to be the point. The point is that if a collection of Indian people wanted to unify and propose a state, or some other alternative to the current reservation system that would align with the conventional system of American states, it shouldn't be considered outside the realm of possibility. The book does not aim to advance any specific proposal; it wants to acknowledge that this is an option to take seriously, if Native nations themselves are interested in it.
For those interested in promoting liberty and autonomy, and in righting the historical wrongs caused by government overreach, such a state could be a reasonable way to promote political freedom. Reading Fixico's scholarship and thinking of those 50 stars on the American flag, I couldn't help asking: Why not a few more?
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the day the decision came down, as Sovereignty Day.
So... 'yes' to borders then?
Clearly xenophobia.
What if we committed genocide, a holocaust, today?
Identifying millions of people living on land they always have, decided we wanted it, and killed tens of thousands of women and children non combatants to get it. Forcefully relocating and terrorizing millions more.
We are, as our western governments support, fund and arm the Israeli genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.
And suddenly ethnostates are a positive thing?
:% s/(Indian|Native)/White/g
"No, no, that would be racist."
Isn't reservations Indian territory that has federal funding? They have their own sovergn law system, and the feds can't act against them. Looking at the reservations i can tell the Indians would do just as well with a state of their own
The feds can act against them - the *state* can't.
Reservations are territories and possessions like Puerto Rico and Guam.
In addition the reservations are under the thumb of the BIA and the 'tribe' owns all the land - no private ownership of land.
In theory, the reservations interactions with the federal government are regulated by the treaty signed with that tribal group. They are, technically, separate sovereign states within the territory of the USA.
If you want to give land to the Indians then buy it and give it to them. You fall into the group of retards that think the Indians lived in utopia until the dredded white man showed up. If you removed your brain no one would notice. How did the five tribes come to be? Ohhh yeah mass genocide. I'm shocked you don't have a land acknowledgement in front of this article. Fuck off you Marxist shit
Right. An "Indian" state would have been in a constant state of civil war between diverse tribes. Today, it would resemble Haiti.
The dream of an Indian state died as well
You fucked up. You trusted us.
What's up, Peanuts?
You can't make this shit up:
Trump Cultist declares the coming recession will be "Bidens recession"
In an interview with Trump on Friday, Bartiromo cautioned about the economic indicators of hard times to come, such as a weaker-than-expected jobs report and volatility in the stock market, as per the report. As per the Independent report, Bartiromo and her guests said that the country's “boom days were over and Americans were girding for tough times ahead," as quoted in the report.
......
Maria Bartiromo blames Biden
While talking about the possibility of a slowdown, she asserted that any economic downturn would be Biden's responsibility, even as she recognized other factors such as Trump's erratic tariff policies.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/this-fox-business-anchor-says-a-recession-is-coming-in-the-u-s-and-joe-biden-would-be-responsible-for-that-and-not-donald-trump/articleshow/118804872.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
Oh no. One of our Democrats, furious about what Trump is doing, is mad a Republican thinks a "weaker-than-expected" jobs report is not the fault of the guy who's only been in power for a month.
Stupidity like this is why Open Society will never give you your job back, Pluggo.
Dude, please. It's been six weeks already. Why hasn't Trump fixed a century and a quarter of retardation yet? Filthy MAGAt, thinking Trump deserves any sort of slack at all...
Which really hits him hard as Soros pays him in kiddie porn.
Or maybe in actual kiddies.
‘Shudders’
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Want to discuss the continuing resolution here?
I’m surprised there haven’t been a slew of articles on it already.
Too local.
So...sign of hope, or of a too-soft bargain?
If you have ever visited an Indian Reservation it becomes crystal clear how an Indian State would look and function. I have sympathy for aboriginal Americans but their culture remains Stone Age in the Age of Silica. Alcoholism, drug-abuse and domestic violence is off the charts on the Rez. Most Indians with intelligence paired to ambition leave the Rez when they can.
The problems with the Indian Reservation system is one that is entirely of the Federal Government's making.
Blaming the government for creating a culture of dependency is arguably libertarian. Absolving the recipients who are in no way prevented from leaving that situation is leftist nonsense.
Should we make a bet on the over/under for how much Brandy has ever donated them?
Who said anything about absolution? People behave in predictable ways. That doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their own choices. But there is nothing leftist about pointing out that government creating fertile ground for a culture of dependency is likely to result in a culture of dependency.
This.
It's the same thing up here. Our government is constantly telling them it's all Whitey's fault, and they will never get ahead because the deck is stacked against them, so don't even try.
But if you vote Liberal/NDP we'll make sure that the Band Council gets another couple of million to spend.
Were you born this stupid or did you work on it?
It's a sad statement, but it's pretty hard to argue against this. We largely have a Native American state in New Mexico. Just take out Los Alamos and Santa Fe. What you're left with is not something you would generally want to emulate.
Just take out Los Alamos and Santa Fe.
*leers in Burqueño*
Sounds good to me.
Oh wait. That wasn't actually a suggestion was it? Whoops. My bad. 😉
LOL. It's the same all over. The sentence "Can you imagine what Colorado would be like without Denver, Boulder, and the ski towns?" is either a horror or a dream world, depending on who is saying it.
To be fair, I don't actually have anything against Los Alamos. It's too small to really matter. Santa Fe though, my fucking gods and little fishes...
As for Colorado, it's my understanding that Denver and Boulder were fine until they got Californicated. Santa Fe has been loopy for a long-assed time. Then again, I'm a New Mexican, not a Coloradan, so I will fully grant that I may not have all of the relevant history.
The best lesson from New Mexico is how racial political strife does not need "white" people.
This is true.
If you want a good read on the rampant violence, drug and alcohol abuse as well as other problems on the rez, read the book, "The Second Trail of Tears."
Almost all these problems are brought to you by those wonderful people in the federal government.
Terrible news for the Fake libertarian lefties of Reason: ABC News is shutting down their favorite polling news aggregation site, FiveThirtyEight.
https://thefederalist.com/2025/03/07/abc-shuts-down-pro-leftist-polling-site-that-claimed-harris-had-better-chance-than-trump/
Oh well. Everyone on both sides of the political aisle knows that RealClearPolitics is and always has been way more accurate and honest anyway. That's why they're still in operation (and will be for many years to come) and FiveThirtyEight isn't!
The question now is, when is Comcast going to finally give in to reality and shut down MSNBC?
They have to be absolutely hemorrhaging money hand over fist on that trash, those losers have a lower viewership now than some public access channels.
Now that Comcast will no longer be getting those sweet, sweet USAID dollars to keep it on the air, MSDNC is, in fact, probably doomed.
The lesson is that if you lose the war, you only have such sovereignty as the victor gives you.
*ding ding ding!*
We have a winner!
Corollary: If you have already lost several wars, and pick yet another one, you might just get turfed out in order to make room for Trump Gaza.
Would not help if htey had their own state. That was sort of the plan once upon a time, and the source of the Trail of Tears where Indians were forcibly "deported" to Oklahoma. But it didn't work. Because historically the United States has always been hostile the American Indian. Treaty after treaty was violated. Genocides were numerous. Bounties for scalps. Etc.
Have we turned the corner where we can trust the Federal government to honor its treaties? Hah! Hardly! Consider that Trump wants to renege on the existing Panama Canal Treaty. Not via any act of Congress but just on his order. Thankfully he hasn't followed through, but the it just goes to show that honoring treaties is still an issue.
While Trump is busy restructing the government to be a monarchy, perhaps just maybe, get rid of the Reservation System entirely! Incorporate each reservation as its a corporation and grant full shares to the tribe members, and just walk away. From there on it's entirely up the tribe as what to do.
Have we turned the corner where we can trust the Federal government to honor its treaties?
Fundamentally impossible as long as elections occur.
Five words too many.
What genocide?
He has a signed copy of Howard Zinns Marxist revision of american history.
Hrm... Maybe this is why so many people don't just mute The Five Stooges. Perhaps every once in a while those blind squirrels find an acorn.
[G]et rid of the Reservation System entirely! Incorporate each reservation as its a corporation and grant full shares to the tribe members, and just walk away.
This is actually a marvelous idea. I fully support this. I will write to my representative. You should too.
Always listen to Lord Humungus.
"Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror."
Given that Lord Humungus gets obliterated by a tractor trailer in the end, I'm not sure that's the best example to use... 😉
This was the approach the feds took with Alaska natives, and it worked out much better than the reservation system.
another UBI success story
A much better resolution would be an independent country.
But casinos and tourism are too powerful to redirect money towards that.
How well would it work in practice to have a bunch of small, independent countries which were wholly locked inside of some other, larger single polity? Would they even actually be independent countries, given that the USA would essentially have to insist on the ability to maintain the highway system through these locations?
I kind of can't believe I'm saying this, but Brandy's idea just above seems like a better idea, to me. At least at this point.
If it had just been "Indahoma" all as one big chunk, that would be one thing, and it wouldn't have been impossible (if still a tremendous pain in the ass) to route the Interstate Highway system around that. And I will grant that I am looking at this from the perspective of someone who worked as a long haul truck driver for a couple of years during Covid. But it would be very bad if we let essentially every (or possibly even simply just "every", I would have to look at a map which showed both the interstates and the location of all of the current reservations) East - West Interstate be severed with a need to reroute them entirely around these blocks of land which were not at all laid out with that goal in mind.
To say nothing of the railways, because I'm not nearly as familiar with their routes as I am those of the freeways.
I drove long haul for quite a few years. You may recall when the tribe (don't remember which one) shut down US highways in NY some years back. I quit taking loads into the state, not that I would do it for anything but a premium rate anyway. Wasn't the first time either. The tribes have closed the through roads many times affecting interstate commerce. Seems kinda unamerican.
Only vaguely, I didn't start driving until like, a month before Covid started, and stopped in November of '21. It was actually a pretty good time to be driving, in some ways. Even LA freeways were reasonable. I do know that has happened before. Heck, I think it happened here in NM as well. Though I don't think it was interstates, but rather either yeah, US or even just State highways. Still, I'm not 100% certain they actually have the rights to do so, despite being notionally independent. Which is why I prefer Brandy's idea of incorporation above. Just make them part of the states they are in (although that might fuck with their ability to run casinos or sell cheap cigarettes), and let everyone at the BIA go. Almost like they were actual citizens, or something.
Though I suppose at this point, they may not have to pay property tax, and that might be worth a good bit to them. Of course, this is just spitballing here, it would probably be a good idea to actually ask the people affected what they'd prefer. Not being Native myself, for all I know they'd see it as another taking.
Trump blames ‘globalists’ for stock market sell-off
Over the course of an hour, Trump used “globalist” to describe people, companies and countries, making it difficult to pin down specifically what he was talking about.
...
But during his first term, Trump repeatedly denounced a set of ideas he called “globalism,” and labeled some of his political opponents globalists, as he pushed his nationalist, isolationist worldview.
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The word has drawn condemnation from critics who say it is linked to antisemitic conspiracy theories about Jewish people.
.....
According to the American Jewish Committee, the term globalist is used today as “a coded word for Jews who are seen as international elites conspiring to weaken or dismantle ‘Western’ society using their international connections and control over big corporations.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/06/trump-blames-globalists-for-stock-market-sell-off.html
Also Donnie could have used "soros" or "hebes".
WW2 Jew-hunter Soros himself has said many times he does not identify as Jewish. So hard luck, Pluggo.
Also, trying to smear the most Zionist president ever, who moved the American embassy to Israel to Jerusalem, the first president ever to don a prayer shawl and say a prayer at the Kotel while in office, and a man with a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandkids, as an antisemitic conspiracy pusher, is retarded even for you.
The sad thing is that Buttpedo actually is their best and brightest.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
In cleanest election ever narratives, and government/political parties would never cheat news...
According to a January filing for Rochford’s lawsuit in Leon County Circuit Court, he argues that there was “a total of approximately 122,971 compromised vote-by-mail ballots, of which approximately 96,188 were voted” in Florida’s 14th Congressional District general election.
The Amended Complaint claims that the mail-in ballot requests were “compromised” because they were submitted “when the Voter Fraud Protection System was off or being overridden.” The court filings also said that “On September 9, 2024, in Pinellas County alone, 198,166 requests were dumped into the system in Pinellas County, and those requests were made with the Voter Fraud Protection System turned off or somehow overridden.”
Rochford's pleadings also assert that “This is known as there were 37,495 unacceptable Requests for Vote-by-Mail which were accepted notwithstanding that they did not provide a Driver’s License Number, a Florida Voter Identification Number, or the last 4 digits of a social security number.
The case also details the “clone” voters that were found on the voter rolls. “An examination of the Voter Roll shows that there is a multitude of ‘clones’ in the lists of the voters who are registered to vote in Florida,” according to court papers. “They are referred to as ‘clones’ because they are either duplicates or near-duplicates except that invariably, they have different voter identification numbers.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/florida-election-lawsuit-exposes-loophole-federal-voter-registration-law
C'mon Jesse, there are 3.144 counties in the United States. That's just one. That can't possibly qualify as "widespread". Pff. It's like you're not even trying. Nothing to see here! 😉
Deep state bureaucrats are openly defying the executive. The executive has had to go to court to be allowed access to various groups denying them access.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-unleashes-rogue-bureaucrats-agency-head-refuses-doge-entry-headquarters
And the court sided with the bureaucrat?
It is now time. Trump needs to ignore the ruling.
I'm kind of gobsmacked.
These pigfuckers really do think they're entitled to permanent employment. Yeesh. WTF.
So... does the President have the authority to appoint members there or not? Because if the answer is "No" then it would seem like Brehm has been acting illegally for the last twenty years.
The guy is dirty and fighting to stay free.
Undoubtedly, but this seems like truly desperate flailing. Surely he can't actually think that after having been put in place by one President, he can't be removed by another? Surely?!
"Oh, he does alright, and don't call me Shirley."
Why am I paying for African development? Can't Africa develop itself? Oh that's right. Never mind.
Just look at what a shining beacon of enlightenment Zimbabwe has become since it was given back to the natives to run. It's practically a real life Wakanda! And South Africa looks to be well on the way to joining them.
Why am I paying for African development?
Tampons for elephants?
Why the fuck do we have an agency to develop Africa? Since when is that continent one or more American states or territories? Since when did it start paying taxes to the USA FedGov?
What part of the fucking Constitution allows allocating tax dollars to fund development in any other nation?
Hon, could you do us all a favor?
You could get your point across better if you stopped using foul language. Curse words are the hallmark of a poor upbringing and education, and it would do you well to work on your language.
Yes.
Fire the agency heads immediately. Remove their security clearances. Escort them out of the building. Have someone fetch their things.
And parade them through the streets while Democrats sing we shall overcome. Out of key.
Why are we even discussing this?
If the tribes want a nation, let them declare war on the United States and try to take a piece of it. It's OURS. We took it, they couldn't keep it, and then we improved it all. Not one single American should feel even the slightest guilt for it; that's how colonization works.
We actually did one better than most colonists do because rather than just exterminating them all, we acknowledged their existence and VERY graciously gave them the means to continue existing alongside us - and as we bettered ourselves, they enjoyed the fruits of it.
The American indians need to shut up. They lost this battle 200+ years ago.
They had the entirety of both American continents under their complete control for at minimum fifteen thousand years before the first Europeans ever arrived. And with access to all of those resources, they built a culture strong enough to ... melt away like butter under a blowtorch when arrive the Europeans did.
Practical thesis of the people advocating this sort of thing: "Only Asians, Europeans, Middle Easterners, or North Africans could have built anything productive and defensible out of the bounty of the Americas." Seems kinda racist towards the Native Americans of them...
They melted because of the continuous flow of various communicable diseases.
Being out armed didn’t help either.
Which largely happened before English colonization occurred.
And in the 14,300 years before that?
DEI is still strong in Britain as bill to adjust sentencing based on race makes it's way through the system.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/softer-sentencing-minority-uk-prisoners-david-lammy-6h2s6djgn
Amusingly, it's racist to assume that minorities have agency according to the UK government.
Or to rephrase it, agency is the white man's burden. If it wasn't for white saviors, those minorities would never survive in the wild.
I wonder if this was spun as 'harsher penalties under the law for white people' would make people understand the issue there.
In an effort to restore fairness, when the UK Sentencing Council is itself sentenced for violations of UK equality laws, I propose that they all receive the exact same penalty of being hanged.
The UK government really should be violently overthrown.
And these assholes think we should fight WW3 for them?
I mean, why don't they just send all of those patriotic new citizens they've gained over the last decade?
What if "native Americans" were actually native to America instead of just being the last outside group before the Europeans to come in and run off the group before them?
Is there evidence of human habitation here prior to the arrival of the people who crossed Beringia during the last glacial period? All of the studies I've ever read about (admittedly, as just a causal observer, I'm hardly a professional there) pointed to that 18 - 25 kya range of first arrivals.
None that I know of, but I don't think that's his point. The various tribes have fought each other and displaced each other over and over, just as Europeans, Asians, Africans, and everybody else. No region has been living in some idyllic peaceful coexistence. You could no more trace any legit property rights back 1000 years in the Americas than you could in Europe, Asia, Africa, or anywhere else.
A specific example: Navajo and Apache people arrived in the southwest US (from western Canada) only about 100 years before the Spanish. Before the evil Europeans genocided everyone, the Navajo and Apache had already done half the work.
No, I knew all that. It was the "native to America... to come in and run off the group before them" bit that threw me. I mean, I do also know there were multiple waves of them as well, so, OK, maybe the first ones to show up actually did all get run off (or killed) by the last wave. I was just more working from the "between when the land bridge sank beneath the waves again as the ice melted, and the first intercontinental explorers arrived in ships" POV. There wasn't any in-migration to North or South America from outside that set of continents for at least 11 ky.
There is a set of footprints that date to between 21,000 and 23,000 years ago at White Sands National Park. The dating is pretty robust and has held up so far. Radiocarbon dating of pollen in the footprints and mass spectrometry are both giving roughly the same date.
This is about 10,000 years older than Clovis which was also in New Mexico and was previously regarded as the oldest site found.
I love the hubris of archeologist. We found the ONE oldest site!!! This is it!! Saying otherwise is antiscience!
So, still within the range I gave. OK.
That's pretty crazy though, I mean, the footprints I left the last time I went to White Sands only lasted a couple of minutes at best. 😉
What If Native American Tribes Had Gotten Their Own State?
Trump would have slapped a 25% tariff on them to show them who's boss.
Biden would make all the illegal immigrants go into the Tribal lands.
I'm trying to see a downside here.
Say Sarcasmic, do you know which party shipped the Native Americans off to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears?
Here's a hint, it's your absolute favorite.
“Hernán Cortés, Philip Sheridan, and Mother’s Lament.”
Name three people that the FNMI community despises?
I'm Métis you stupid fuck. Literally the 'M' in FNMI.
“Donald Trump, Gary Bettman, and Mother’s Lament.”
Name three people who hate Canada?
Why would I hate Canada? You're not the best troll out there, are you, you crazy Mormon-hating fuck?
“Elon Musk, a college in Prince George, and Vladimir Putin.”
Who employs Mother’s Lament?
Not getting many bites huh.
“An illegal immigrant, a fentanyl addict, and a drag queen.”
Who are the only people desperate enough to have sex with Jesse?
Sarc-tier trolling
He’s just mad that the Mormon men won’t cornhole him.
America’s a very forgiving place, so you will probably only be deported, but when Patriots like me take our country back from you traitors I will be screaming from the mountain tops that you all need to hang.
I will never forget or forgive what you traitors did to MY country.
We need to make sure it never happens again by exterminating you Christofascist filth.
Mormon men won’t cornhole him.
That assertion is questionable.
How many times do I have to mute you? Off you go little guy.
Ok, boomer
Everybody in the world, including two-year olds.
Name anyone who is more intelligent than KARnac the Magnificent
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Hope you had a nice weekend. God Bless you Sevo!
Which god are you referring to, pedo?
I feel like it’s a toss up between him and shrike.
Unions ask court to stop DOGE from accessing Social Security data of millions of Americans
"Noooooo! Don't audit that!"
There’s one obvious reason why the unions might be doing this. Massive social security fraud with fake employee dues flowing into union coffers - and being used for political contributions in the process.
And the same morons defending the left and activist judges stopping audits will be the very first to blame Trump for all spending.
Rep. Nadler @RepJerryNadler
Trump’s $400 million cut to @Columbia sends a chilling message that universities must align with the MAGA agenda or face financial ruin. My statement with @RepEspaillat
Do Democrats hear ourselves?
Jerry, if allowing Jews to go to school without getting screamed at and harassed by antisemites is the MAGA agenda and something we oppose DEMOCRATS ARE FUCKED.
What are you doing, buddy?
On one hand, fucking finally.
On the other hand, Western Jews will never learn anything until they are as oppressed as those behind the Iron Curtain, and this act shields them from the consequences of their retarded beliefs.
I think I've said this before, but most American Ashkenazi come from the Pale where 'conservative' meant the Czar and his Cossacks, and socialism was seen as as a liberating philosemitic force. The other chunk had fled from a Western Europe where big business had thrown its lot in with the Nazis.
Socialism had almost become part of the religion for many.
Now the Eastern European and Soviet Jews were quickly disabused of the notion that the "left" didn't hate them as much as the Czar by lived experience, but the American Jews never were and still hold the same worldview as when they lived in Galizia and Russia.
So is your new PM more, or less shitty than Trudeau?
More. He's one of Trudeau's puppeteers, a WEF muckity-muck and a multi-time Epstein Island visitor, who wrote a lot of the terrible policies Trudeau pushed through.
Has said in other interviews that he is a European and a globalist rather than a Canadian, has Irish and some other country's citizenship, and has not lived in Canada for the last two decades.
Holy shit, when Brianna Wu is a voice of sanity, you may have really fucked up.
*Brianna WU!* talking sense?
Sign of the end times.
JUST IN: Woman has meltdown because Trump shut down her job where she studied "how to safely collect s*xual orientation and gender identity" practices.
Lmao. You literally can't tell what's a parody anymore.
"I was told to stop work immediately and that no more research expenditures would be allowed. My study is to explore how to safely collect s*xual orientation and gender identity and cancer care practices."
"... We need better data to create better clinical guidelines for lesbian, gay, bis*xual, transgender, queer, and inters*x people."
"My research was terminated as a result of the president's executive orders."
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These are the doctors Molly demands we support at threat of government.
So by safely does she mean not getting ass raped?
Pretty sure chemo doesn’t give a fuck what you identify as or who you like to fuck. But it DOES care if you have XX or XY and other biological markers that doctors use to determine the appropriate dosage.
Fuck that lady.
Not even with your dick, Nate!
Seriously, the tonedeafness of people like this bounces back and forth between hilarious and frightening. They're like real-life Titania McGrath. How many people that deluded and isolated from the real world, from real people outside their insular DC/Academia/Woke bubble, hold bureaucratic positions where they exercise power that affects my life? This chick is a true believer.
I'm not a libertarian. Never claimed to be. But my thoughts are informed by and based on a foundation of individual liberty, and the root of my libertarian-adjacent ideology is basically that I don't trust any bureaucrat to have my best interest at heart, and expect asshats like this lady to be fundamentally hostile to me.
Government may be seen as a necessary evil, but a necessary evil is still evil.
“and the root of my libertarian-adjacent ideology is basically that I don't trust any bureaucrat to have my best interest at heart, and expect asshats like this lady to be fundamentally hostile to me.”
Exactly this. It truly boggles my mind that anyone who claims to be even libertarian adjacent (like some of our erstwhile posters) don’t have the same concerns about the bureaucracy.
“Not even with your dick, Nate!”
I hadn’t watched the video. Touché.
Buttplug ❤ Lizzy, but who are the real Nativists?
Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney
Damn right, @Elon. I’m proud of what America did to win the Cold War, defeat Soviet communism, and defend democracy. Our nation stood for freedom. You may be unfamiliar with that part of our history since you weren’t yet an American citizen.
This kind of nativist BS is un-American. We require naturalized citizens to take a test on America that many Americans would fail. And it's not as if Musk is some sort of ex-Communist nomenklatura. He's a Gen Xer who came of age in the end of the Cold War & concluded from looking around in that era that he wanted to become an American. Is that bad?
SEN. KENNEDY: "I think Elon Musk is a rockstar. The tofu crowd is mad, but when you trim fat, pigs squeal."
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Eric Schmitt: The American Bar Association sat on the sidelines as our legal system was weaponized against normal Americans.
Now, they launch a pressure campaign against President Trump on day one.
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We’ve had enough. It’s time to liberate our legal system from this failed institution.
On Feb. 10 and Mar. 3, the ABA sent two highly partisan statements parroting leftist talking points and saying "Americans expect better."
"The ABA rejects efforts to undermine the courts and the legal profession. Read full message: https://ambar.org/nqzj0svj"
Americans certainly expected better than the Biden Administration's unprecedented attempt to throw their political opponents in jail (Banana republic stuff) and made that known on November 5th.
The ABA's partisanship is of concern because it traditionally plays a large role in judicial selection in the United States, credentialing judge candidates in an increasingly partisan way.
"She got a “Qualified” from the ABA. Larry Silberman, Frank Easterbrook, and Jerry Smith got worse ratings."
How many statements did the ABA put out against Biden's lawfare? Biden's refusal to accept the Supreme Court's student loan ruling? The Democrats' assault on the Supreme Court? Zero.
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Beyond that, the ABA went woke, mandating DEI courses in law schools and pushing cultural Marxism on the legal profession.
"The American Bar Association once had a very special relationship to the practice of law and legal education. But confidence in the ABA has eroded. Under Attorney General Pamela Bondi’s leadership, DOJ is carrying out President Trump’s executive orders putting an end to radical DEI programs, and we’re all over the ABA’s illegal and immoral diversity mandates for law school accreditation."
And to cap it all off, who is funding the ABA you might ask? That's right, USAID. You really can't make this stuff up.
The ABA currently holds $75,650,439 in active spending awards under the UEI D2KUZ2RYLJJ6, and not all of this funding comes from USAID. They also receive funding from the National Democratic Institute.
Why isn't this conflict of interest prohibited by law?"
Americans certainly expected better than the Biden Administration's unprecedented attempt to throw their political opponents in jail (Banana republic stuff) and made that known on November 5th.
That is why I, along with @BasedMikeLee, @TedCruz, @HawleyMO, @MarshaBlackburn, and @BernieMoreno, are taking the radical step to break our judicial selection process free from ABA control. We are excited to work with the Trump Administration & @PamBondi to put great Trump judges on our nation's courts.
Counterpoint: So you’re taking on a partisan organization TO INSTALL PARTISANS? wtf? How does this solve your stated issue? Oh it doesn’t!
Counter-counterpoint: It depends if by "Trump judges" they mean non-partisans appointed by Trump to dilute the Biden/Soros ones, or judges beholden to Trump.
Comrade Jamie Raskin is one of the chief propagandists for the blob. He is an unhinged loon and a liar. He is also a seditionist that participated in the theft of the 2020 election and the cover-up, January 6, as did Mike Pence.
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Here he lays out the story that the bogus J6 committee was going to tell the public during the televised dog and pony shows to the American Bar Association. They completely tainted the entire legal system against Trump, anyone affiliated with him, and the J6ers. There was zero chance they were going to get a fair shot at justice.
This is unacceptable and everyone that has knowingly gone along with this, including Jamie Raskin and Suzanne Spaulding, MUST BE CHARGED WITH SEDITION. Additionally, the American Bar Association must be dismantled.
The long march through the institutions includes the American Bar Association which has been co-opted by the establishment. Around 2018, they started their effort to corrupt the legal and judicial systems in preparation for the 2020 election. They have continued this effort for the 2024 election.
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This lawyer is a product of their propaganda and brainwashing. He has no idea that he is being used as a brown shirt for the establishment.
The biased American Bar Association has been globalized. And a program it runs gets USAID.
The World Justice Program was, “founded by William H. Neukom in 2006 as a presidential initiative of the AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION (ABA) and with the initial support of 21 other strategic partners:
World Justice Program Supporters:
- Municipality of The Hague
- Soros Open Society Foundations
- US state Dept
- USAID
- UN Development Programme
- UK The Foreign, Commonwealth, & Development Office
- Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs
- The Asia Foundation
- Plus more
This program used to work with Soros Altus when it was around too.
Founded by William H. Neocon?! 😉
First kill the ABA. Then kill all the lawyers.
Inconvenient truths for indigenous people acolytes:
Most native cultures in the Americas were (and are) incredibly racist (although progressives now might approve), sexist, fundamentalist, and anti-science (even The Science).
Most native cultures practiced slavery, including raids for capturing slaves (and also women for hand maid tale-style breeding). Some were cannibals.
The one-with-nature fantasy you have for them was far from true, with massive modifications to local ecosystems to get more stuff--you know, greed.
Health kinda sucked, with infant and adult mortality beyond what even modern misanthropes would wish on modern people.
No written languages, no math, no science, no technology (again, Greta might like this--for others). Even cultures that managed some achievements, like simple astronomy, used it for religious purposes.
I once saw an actor pretending to be a native American on TV with glycerin tears running down his face exorting me to stop littering or starting forest fires or something. I was deeply moved. I find your revisionist history disturbing and offensive.
Woul,d you be ruprided if you found out that people used to burned down Yosemite Valley every year just to harvest acorns.
Either America is just another blood and soil ethnonation. Or it is a nation founded on ideas and choice. There just aren't places that mix the two
That said - we need a few dozen more states because that's the only way we will ever allow individuals to be better represented in the House. States should be forcibly split whenever they exceed 5% of the population and encouraged to split at 2.5%
Let's start by establishing City States. When a city reaches a certain size/density (a la New York City, Atlanta, Houston, etcetera) [smarter people than I should determine the size/density critical mass] it loses its status as a City and becomes a State, no longer associated with, receive funding or support from, nor participating in the governance of, the Borough/County/Parish and State they geographically occupy. They immediately gain two Senators and a requisite number of Representatives in Congress.
And the US would descend into full-blown totalitarian communism. Great idea.
Would it? For the example I know best, Michigan, for decades senators have been Democrats who drew most of their votes (legitimate or not) from Detroit and nearby communities. If you pulled this area out of Michigan to make a new state, the current pair of senators would shift to Detroit and either get re-elected or replaced by darker-skinned, even more crazily radical individuals, BUT the rest of the state would elect two new Senators, who almost certainly would be Republican, conservative, and MAGA. That's two more Republican votes in the Senate, and they are unlikely to be RINO's.
I would point out to other countries in the world - not just states but sovereign nations - where multiple disparate tribal nations were consolidated into one nation state.
They're . . . they're rarely good places to live if you're not part of the tribe in control.
Oh, come on. Yugolavia was awesome! 😉
While there is room enough in America to provide each of the 574 Indian Nations with a state larger than Connecticut- and comparable in size to the 39 states comprising Germany in 1815, Europe's more recent experience suggests it might not be a good idea.
Natives should have their own country, not state, if thats what they want. All people have a right to self governance.
And we dont need more states, we need less.
The American people certainly don't need two Dakotas, but the Republican party does.
Or Dems could try changing in order to win there. They did have elected Senators in both of those states as late as 2015 (S. Dakota) and 2018 (N. Dakota). But I guess if we're going by your logic....do we really need Rhode Island and Connecticut? They could be merged. And I see no reason for Vermont not be a part of New York and New Hampshire again other than to keep Bernie Sanders employed.
If we are going to condense the states would it not make sense to use population as a factor. In a country of 340 million people North Dakota has less than 1 million people.
So does Vermont. And Rhode Island is just over 1.1 million as of 2024. You're basing this on partisan interests in favor of the Democrats, not population size. You could embrace the "moderate" way and encourage Democrats to try and appeal to those voters again.
I dont want to merge states, I want to get rid of them. Go back to a smaller US. All the progressives and zealots can go do their own thing somewhere else where they wont affect me.
Does anyone really need Delaware, or Rhode Island, or New Jersey?
I guess it wouldn't be fair to Rhode Island to have Hartford or Boston Governance inflicted upon them. Though I can't imagine its too much different from what they're getting now.
"Need" is subjective. Try to be objective next time, dear.
Natives should have their own country
Let's give them Gaza.
Its not ours to give.
The government confiscated land which it gave away to settlers, many if not most, immigrants. So, to those who complain that the government only now gives stuff to immigrants, I say wrong, wrong, wrong.
Yet you defend this very same Gov't. Odd.
No, what I am doing is calling out the hypocrisy of those who claim their immigrant ancestors did not get any government assistance. A chuck of land is a pretty good start for most immigrants.
What if the author stopped looking back and instead started looking forward? FFS, this stuff has to stop.
"what if native americans had gotten their own state"?
Well, based on the conditions of existing tribal lands - a few very powerful and rich natives with casinos, the rest living in horrid poverty resembling a welfare state that Progressives dream of, I'd say that state would be a shit hole - maybe make the left coast look slightly better.
You may be right, but remember that no tribe has been self-governing since they were forced into the reservations. There have always been members of congress, military officers, and bureaucrats in a position to override major tribal decisions, and this power was often exercised to enrich the federal "overseers" at the expense of the tribal members.