DOGE Can't Slash Government Without Congress
The federal leviathan can’t be dismantled by executive action alone. To truly cut spending and rein in the bureaucracy, the administration needs buy-in from the branch that built it.

"It's a joke," a "waste of time": That was the Democratic line on the new Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) just months ago. But ever since Elon Musk and his "baby-faced assassins" stormed the bureaucracy—mass-firing employees, zeroing out budgets, and tossing agencies "into the woodchipper"—the tune has changed. Now, DOGE is "an agent of chaos without limitation," per a lawsuit from Democratic state attorneys general. Worse, says Sen. Ron Wyden (D–Ore.), they're "seizing the tools they need for a coup."
Even some self-described libertarians are not at all amused by the Musketeers' hijinks. I'm at a loss: How are they not enjoying this? The whole thing plays like it was scripted by Ayn Rand, if Rand had a sense of humor.
Even so, I'm hoping DOGE provides something beyond entertainment value—I'd like it to work. But it won't, so long as the DOGEnauts believe they can cut trillions from the federal budget with executive action alone. To get the job done, DOGE needs Congress.
So far, DOGE has stuck to the go-it-alone strategy Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy outlined in The Wall Street Journal after the election: "driving change through executive action based on existing legislation rather than by passing new laws." But that's not how any of this works. Neither the president nor his proxies can summarily zero out agencies and departments for which Congress has provided statutory authority and funding. Even the MAGA-friendly Heritage Foundation acknowledged as much in a 2017 legal memorandum: "The power to enact, amend, or abolish these executive departments and agencies and their functions belongs to Congress." The DOGE team is finding that out the hard way, as their agency-killing plans get hung up in federal court.
President Donald Trump's team thinks they've found a work-around—an ambitious constitutional theory that lets the president nullify congressional appropriations he doesn't like. The last president to try that was Richard Nixon, and he didn't get very far. In his second term, when Nixon adopted an impoundment-on-steroids strategy, withholding billions in appropriated funds, he got slapped down, first by the courts, then by Congress. In 1974, Congress shut the door to future abuses by passing the Impoundment Control Act, which requires the president to get congressional approval before rescinding appropriations.
Key Trump officials, like Office of Management and Budget head Russ Vought, insist the Impoundment Control Act is unconstitutional. But historically, there's been little support for that view even among conservative legal heavyweights.
As an assistant attorney general in Nixon's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), future Chief Justice William Rehnquist rejected the notion that the power of the pen trumps Congress' power of the purse. "It seems an anomalous proposition," he wrote in a 1969 memo, "that because the Executive Branch is bound to execute the laws, it is free to decline to execute them." The Reagan administration's OLC reached the same conclusion in 1988 saying, "There is no textual source in the Constitution for any inherent authority to impound." It's unlikely that the Supreme Court will discover one and hand Trump unlimited authority to impound funds.
That doesn't mean DOGE is doomed to nibble around the edges of a $7 trillion federal budget. While the president currently lacks broad authority to reorganize the executive branch, Congress could grant that authority. On February 13, Sen. Mike Lee (R–Utah) and Rep. James Comer (R–Ky.), introduced the Reorganizing Government Act of 2025, which would do just that—give the president sweeping power to restructure and downsize the bureaucracy, subject to a fast-tracked approval vote in Congress.
The bill reactivates statutory authorities enjoyed by multiple presidents from 1932 to 1984—but with a key difference. Past presidential reorganization acts typically barred the president from proposing plans to shutter whole agencies; this bill puts "entire executive departments, not just agencies" on the chopping block. If passed, it would give the administration clear authority to shrink the federal government—and shore it up against legal challenges.
Another reform bill from Lee and Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) would advance DOGE's goals by "reclaiming legislative power from the regulatory state." As Musk put it last week, "You can't have an autonomous federal bureaucracy, you have to have one that is responsive to the people." The Regulations From the Executive in Need of Scrutiny (REINS) Act would require affirmative approval from Congress for major federal regulations, putting the administrative state under democratic control.
Musk is right: "We need to delete entire agencies" and rein in bureaucratic rule. But he's wrong to think he alone can fix it. The federal leviathan is a creature of statutory law and congressional appropriations. There's no dismantling it without buy-in from the branch that got us into this mess. Reformers on the Hill stand ready to help. The administration should take "yes" for an answer.
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First tool for the coup: win the popular vote AND the electoral college.
The democratically elected Trump administration is being overthrown by the Musk/Trump authoritarian regime. Some of the same players, but different government.
Did you get defunded by DOGE?
I think Tony is just a retard.
That much is certain.
Seriously, I wonder how many 50 centers had to go back to blowing truck drivers.
What's a "blowing truck" and how do you get a license to drive one? Asking for Sarc.
Just stop. Musk is doing everything on Trump's behalf. In other words, we elected Trump, we approve of everything he is doing, he appointed Musk and he is 100% in charge of the executive branch. He is the alpha male and he wouldn't allow Musk to do one damn thing without his approval. You really need to stop watching MSNBC and The View for your political info - they are literally nothing but shills for the people who have everything to lose when the sun starts to shine on the federal bureaucracy's spending habits.
>>stop watching MSNBC and The View for your political info
National Review ... NYT ... axios ...
True, but I was using the two media outlets that make viewers look like the biggest clowns.
The federal bureaucracy's spending habits are set by the Congress-Slimes, per the USA Cunts-tits-tuition. If Ye are PervFectly advocating the abolition of the USA Cunts-tits-tuition, please PervFectly, honestly, and forthrightly say so!
Congress doesn’t get to tell the Executive how to do its job.
Congress gets to tell the Executive it's failing to do its job (which is to "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" and to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States").
The problem is, Congress is full of members who either simply don't care if what the Executive is doing is unconstitutional, or actually support when the Executive does some things that are unconstitutional.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, Congress approves of what DOGE is doing and doesn't need to say anything to the President?
The Executive Branch is an equal partner to the Legislative Branch, not one who is in submission to it.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, MANY "Team R" Congress-Slimes HATE twat DOGE is doing, but are AFRAID of the "Team R" dictator? After all... "Hang Mike Pence" can very easily turn into "Hang Congress-Slimy-Person XYZ"!!! Ass we can see, faithful "Team R" allegiance does SNOT protect ye from the Wrath of the Hangman-POTUS!
"Has the thought ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, Congress approves of what DOGE is doing and doesn't need to say anything to the President?"
Congress authorized a budget. For example, it funded PEPFAR. If Congress has changed its mind, and decided it doesn't want to what PEPFAR was doing any more, Congress should pass a budget that eliminates PEPFAR.
The president doesn't have the constitutional authority to simply refuse do the PEPFAR work that Congress authorized.
Yes, and the budgetary "tax and spend" author-shitty belongs to the Congress-Slimes, per the USA Cunts-tits-tuition. Congress-Slimes, for entirely TOOOO long, have surrendered up this power and this duty, to the POTUS. Ditto war powers. In an era of nukes, there are SOME excuses for Congress-Slimes to surrender some war powers... The same does NOT apply to taxes and spending! Congress-Slimes need to claw BACK these powers, and do better than the POTUS, especially with respect to DIALING THE FUCK WAAAAY BACK on tariff-taxes!!! We don't need no stupid trade wars!!!
As I understand, they either don’t or can’t line item designate spending (unless it’s specifically earmarked) so it’s “here’s $80Billion Mr. Secretary of State, spend it.”
If those laws are unconstitutional, he has no obligation to execute them. In fact, if he thinks doing so would violate the constitution, he is duty bound to NOT execute them.
"In fact, if he thinks doing so would violate the constitution, he is duty bound to NOT execute them."
The constitution requires that the president "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
If the president thinks that constitutional duty (to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed") is in conflict with his oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States", he should bring that argument to Congress, and if they disagree, he should bring it to the courts.
In the case of matters like the funding of U.S. AID and the Department of Education, the courts will probably wonder why, if Donald Trump thought US AID and the Department of Education were unconstitutional, why he didn't think of those things in his entire first term in office?
Worse yet, HOW can we take Trump's oath of orifice seriously, to support and defend the USA cunts-tits-tuition? When He has forthrightly stated that He feels like He can and should bypass and thwart it nilly-willy?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump calls for the termination of the Constitution in Truth Social post
Probably after they wonder why Obama legalized illegals after saying, for years, that he could not do so.
Tony is too stupid and faggoty for anything more. His reading interests are largely ‘Bathhouse Bottoms’ back door back issues.
Wait, the Trump administration is being overthrown by Trump and the guy he picked to do an audit?
You guys MUST have something better than that in your bag of tricks.
Nah; that’s the best they have. Not much opportunity to shoehorn racist, white supremacist, or the other usuals without looking even more retarded.
It's also not like DOGE was not discussed in the campaign. A LOT.
You, Molly, are seriously, beyond any doubt at this juncture, the absolutely stupid, most fucking retarded, idiotic commenters here, and with commenters like Shrike (SPB), Jeffy, Tony (who some suspect is you), J(ew)free, misconstrueman, Misek, M4e, and even Sarcasmic, that's fucking saying something. Did you even read the totally retarded screed you wrote? It just makes no fucking sense in any way, shape, or form, as Trump, democratically elected, told us all through the campaign that he would be running the audit with Musk.
.. the administration needs buy-in from the branch that built it.
Yes, they seem eager to help.
Stupid.
Gene suggests that they don't need much buy-in. Gene suggests that congress just delegate the dismantling project to the executive.
If there is one thing that congress is good at, it's delegation. That saves them from work and responsibility. And if the delegation legislation is crafted carefully enough. SCOTUS will be on board too. Because this is the sort of delegation that SCOTUS will like just as much. SCOTUS can moth-ball the non-delegation doctrine until the next democratic administration, if there ever is one.
You want congress to delegate article 2 powers to the president?
They can slash government, and they are, just not to the levels we all prefer without Congress. It doesn't mean they shouldn't be auditing expenses. This narrative being pushed is getting very tiring.
It all comes down to how serious Trump is about carrying the plan out. What if he refuses to comply with court rulings and court orders? Who is going to make him comply, and how? Progressive socialist whining that the laws they passed aren't unconstitutional but the current administration's actions are unconstitutional can be safely ignored by anyone who seriously couldn't care less what they think. Constitutional crisis? Bring it on, baby! Let's see what you got!
Unconstitutional court orders? You'll have toe board your blind acceptance of democrat narratives.
There is a decades long debate regarding spending executive must conform to in regards to appropriation.
Decisions on the Impoundment Act revolved around Nixon refusing to take any action on appropriated funds. Democrats have expanded this to say the executive must spend every penny allocated, which constitutionally makes no sense.
Appropriation should only bound the soendy limit, not minimum. As long as the executive is taking care to act on the direction of the funding, they just can't ignore it.
This is the key thing, and the reason why democrat operatives are locking up DATA in the courts, while the chattering gibbons of journalism yammer on about "Separation of Powers."
Literally hundreds of billions of dollars are being spent, and we don't know the details of many of these payments. Maybe it is for a legitimate expense that was mandated by congress. Or maybe it is for consulting services that do not actually qualify for that mandate. Maybe it is being spent twice for the same purpose.
WE. DON'T. FUCKING. KNOW.
These grifters poured $2.3 TRILLION into Afghanistan. Does anyone in the WORLD think that we got $2.3 Trillion of value out of that debacle? The answer is no. No we did not.
Whether Congress authorizes spending or not, it is the Executive's job to determine how that spending will result in the aim earmarked by Congress. And it is painfully clear that there is plenty to cut while still achieving the aims set by congress.
I saw a clip yesterday of John Stuart discussing the Pentagon failing its audit (this was from a few years ago) to the tune of $850Billion unaccounted for.
I don’t understand how people can look at that and go “well of course there’s probably waste and fraud there” but then turn around and pretend like it couldn’t possibly be anywhere else.
Wrong again! Actions are only "unconstitutional" when the autocrats don't like them. Unconstitutional actions are not unconstitutional when power-hungry officials use them to expand the scope of their authority beyond the original intent of the Constitution and have a Supreme Court inclined to perpetrate socialist experiments via unconstitutional legislation from the bench. The only way the courts can stop the current wrecking ball is if the demolition company lets them. After all, what is Chief Justice Roberts going to do? Send the bailiffs around to force them to write checks? Enforce the regulations that the Executive refuses to enforce? Please ...
If SCOTUS rules Trump's actions unconstitutional and illegal, what is the remedy that the court can impose?
Ask Joe Biden about student loan forgiveness.
That's what makes Tony's stance extra-retarded. Biden didn't just ignore some lower court judge, but SCOTUS itself.
But Joe recognizes the constitution - sarc.
Biden did not ignore SCOTUS. The court said that the particular method that Biden was using for loan forgiveness was not allowed. Biden then attempted to use different methods that were on stronger legal footings.
For every effort Biden made for student loans, there was a corresponding section of federal law that plausibly supported his actions.
Bullshit, you retarded twit.
Nope. Not me close Tony, why don’t you just stick to being serially bottomed at your local bathhouse?
Including the unilateral spending of money Biden had zero right to create on his own?
Seriously?
I understand you're excited about the idea of a Constitutional crisis brought about by an Executive who ignores laws. But that isn't how America was designed to work. If you are advocating ignoring the Constitution altogether, realize that attacking our system of government at the roots can't possibly be construed as anything but traitorous behavior. The are patriotic Americans who have taken oaths to protect and defend the Constitution. I'm certain they will. Against *all* enemies, foreign AND domestic.
I understand you're an ignorant pile of lefty shit.
Free, America has not been working the way it was designed to work for a very long time. Are you too dense to understand why I'm excited about someone finally using the "ignoring the Constitution" thing that the socialists perfected against them? Or are you just willfully clueless here?
Hugely clueless.
It’s almost always that.
Not clueless at all. Willful. Dude's obviously just a troll, you can tell by repeating the talking point "Constitutional crisis", which is what the Ds have had their mouthpieces repeating to try and make believe it is true because it's said so much.
"Chaotic" didn't get much traction, so they've been pushing this one to try and de-legitimize the new administration.
Fair.
A hugely bloated, self-interested, partisan and corrupt administrative state that dwells within the executive branch like a gangrenous, festering wound wasn't exactly part of the founding fathers' plans, either...but let's put that minor, inconsequential issue aside for a moment so you can tell me exactly which statute Trump is violating. And please give me the exact wording of this statute so we can immediately send the swat teams and squad cars racing over to the White House to put the dictator-in-chief in handcuffs and whisk him off to Guantanamo Bay, never to be seen again.
Freethinksman cannot come up with an answer.
Why do lefty shits always chose a handle which they hope will make you think they might have a brain instead of a vacuum between their ears, like 'freethinksman'?
But DOGE can slash several hundred "measly" billions and publicize the most outrageous examples of government misappropriation of our [not their] money; this in turn can incentivize some members of congress, who otherwise won't [never ever have] touch any of this with even the longest of poles.
Suffer some now, or much much more later [however far that can can be kicked].
In a sane world, the outrageous finds would make people curious what else is being done in their names. Instead, a lot of folks prefer shooting the messenger over an inconvenient message.
Including a certain "libertarian" magazine.
As I have understood, DOGE isn’t actually axing anything, they’re recommending to Trump what and where to cut.
Exactly. Trump has shown his contempt for the courts fairly consistently for a while now in such a way that a large percentage of the American people cannot avoid seeing how corrupt that court system has become through weaponization of the law. There is no way to "drain the swamp" at this point, but it seems possible to wreck the machinery beyond repair, let the chips fall where they may and try to put a much better much more limited system back together at some future point.
MWAocdoc has shown him/herself to be a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
That is a smokescreen. DOGE is moving way to fast for them to get any input from the White House. At this point we don't even know who is running DOGE. What we do know is that DOGE people go into agencies and issue orders (many illegal), and fire those who refuse to carry them out. It seems that Trump has given DOGE blanket permission to do as they want.
You did you get defunded by DOGE, didn't you?
Who is running DOGE? Do you know?
pending results excite.
The Illuminati?
Molly: “Da Jews!”
Trump is ultimately running DOGE. You know, the guy who won the popular vote, the EC, and every fucking swing state.
The same guy who campaign-promised DOGE and Elon to do exactly what they are doing.
I don't care who ultimately is running DOGE, I want to know who the head of DOGE is who reports to Trump.
Why? Seriously, what possible reason could you have for needing to know that name? They're doing the work that the voters elected Trump to do. Trump is entirely accountable for their actions or failings.
The only reason I can think of to demand that name is so the person can be doxxed, threatened and otherwise intimidated from doing the job he/she was assigned.
In the US, government officials with authority are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. To have the second (possibly first) most powerful person in the government remain anonymous is a hell of a problem.
Molly, not all go through that process. That's primarily for cabinet members. USDS is not a cabinet-level position.
Trump can't sidestep the Senate by assingng a person to a non-confirmed position and then give them more power than cabinet secretaries.
@MollyGodiva
That isn't true. By that logic, Jen Psaki couldn't be Biden's spokeswoman unless approved by the Senate, and that simply isn't the case.
Except, by your own link, he has no power. All he has is his protected speech.
Get Rekt.
"In the US, government officials with authority are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate."
Biden did not run the Executive Branch for years. This is common knowledge.
So...WHO ran the fucking federal government? What was that person's name? You do not seem remotely curious.
you are not opposed to how it's being done. You're opposed to the fact it's being done at all.
Who is running DOGE? Odd that no one can tell me.
I’m sure the voices in your head have told you.
Trump. There you go, now doxx him. Oh, wait...
Who is running DOGE? Do you know?
President Trump, and he, as Chief Executive, appointed Musk to do the audit. That's how this shit works.
You know, you're going to have to get some talking points that weren't written for gullible boomers.
It is not Musk. Try again.
Fair enough, tHeY dOn'T hAvE oNe.
In reality Musk is the defacto. Trump refers to him as the person he has appointed to run DOGE.
False. The WH says Musk is not associated with DOGE.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277463/gov.uscourts.dcd.277463.24.1.pdf
And your point, other than the one atop your head?
You sweet summer child.
"DOGE is moving way to fast for them to get any input from the White House."
...because Trump runs Biden hours, obviously.
Just because you supported a corpse who had unelected bureaucrats running the government for four years does not mean others do the same.
Yes. They recommend to the heads of the agencies. The agencies make the cut.
What a twisted web is woven with the Cato Institute captured within.
Cato at Data Republican
CATO has been captured for a decade at least.
The only way to get CATO back on the straight and narrow would be to gradually infiltrate the board like they did, but I don't know how likely that is.
Starting a replacement may be a better idea.
Did you even read the link you provided?
Per your link, how much public funding went to the "captured" Cato Institute?
Cato got about $30k from the California Community Foundation, which got some tax funding.
Godspeed DOGE.
Use the info DOGE has uncovered to force Congress to Act. Keep the pressure up by exposing the beltway priorities and Congress will need to act to keep their phony baloney jobs, harrumph.
^This
While I hope you're right, I am not optimistic. The other possibility here is that Republicans will chicken out, make indignant sounds and join the Democrats in doubling down on the entrenched bureaucratic state. Currently I suspect that they're holding their fingers up to see which way the wind is blowing. Do you really see a Republican congress repealing over four thousand unconstitutional laws and regulations and eliminating ten unconstitutional executive cabinet-level departments? They couldn't even repeal Obamacare!
The winds favor doge.
If they can do something about the beast's court challenges under complicit judges, maybe.
These rulings are ridiculous and obviously only intended to delay, and give the beast time to regroup.
"The other possibility here is that Republicans will chicken out, make indignant sounds and join the Democrats in doubling down on the entrenched bureaucratic state."
Not just a possibility. A likelihood.
MWAocdoc has shown him/herself to be a pile of TDS-addled shit.
So law and the Constitution don't matter as long as DOGE cuts funding that MAGAs don't like?
You are so magnificently stupid.
All the MAGAs seem to take the position that they don't care what laws Trump/Musk violate as long as they get what they want.
Which laws are being violated?
Follow up. Can Congress modifying article 2 powers?
What laws are they violating, Tony?
FFS, this isn't Huffpo.
Are you sure?
The comment section gives us away.
ONLY the comment section.
Absolutely correct, Molly. The law and the Constitution ceased to matter when the Democrats and their progressive socialists bypassed the one to weaponize the other a long time ago. You're only whining now because the other side is using your tactics against you finally. What goes around comes around. Sucks to have the tables turned on you, doesn't it!
"...You're only whining now because the other side is using your tactics against you finally..."
No, TDS-addled shit-pile, Trump is strictly within the law, regardless of your brain-dead fantasies.
I can't believe how many people here hate America and out Constitution. It's just bizarre that people support the actions Elon is taking whilke imagining that calling themselves "patriotic" somehow makes them something other than traitors. The Constitution isn't a Bible. You can't just pick and choose the parts of it you want to follow. It's all or nothing. It's patriotism or treason.
What are you blahing about? Show me where NGO and unelected make rules. Congress funds say the Department of State. It's not a line item funding. The DOS decides how to spend that budget.
Musk is making recommendations to head of the agencies. They are firing. Guess what, Obama paved the way for this.
Maybe you should read the Constitution. It is amazing people like you are throw a fit about cutting fraud. I'm sure if you got your car fixed and they tacked a little waste onto the bill you wouldn't care at all right?
Show me in the Constitution where it mentions the IRS, USAID, DOE, ATF, etc.
You are one of those progs who are pissed at the auditors, not the audit findings.
Who could imagine that in 2025, on a libertarian site, there would people bitching about a government audit that is actually finding stuff.
Musk has found nothing. All the stuff he "found" is stuff he does not like, but they were legal and valid.
Are they things we should be spending any money on?
And what kind of libertarian are you, a liberal-tarian, Molly?
She’s not a libertarian. She’s an actual leftist, like Tony.
Very leftist, liberal, progressive. Like Bernie level. And proud of it.
You're evil.
"Very leftist, liberal, progressive. Like Bernie level. And proud of it."
Oh, so you're just a craven sell-out who is unemployable.
Good to know.
You left out "stupid and dishonest", shit-pile.
Who's feeding these idiots this stupidity? I don't watch MSNBC, is this what they preach?
MSDNC, CNN, most newspapers, NBC, ABC, CBS (see 60 Minutes recently), Daily Kos, HuffPo, The Guardian, among others. Somehow the propaganda pipeline is damaged with the demise of USAID, but it's not totally dead yet. This shit is coming from somewhere central.
Your money is being pissed down one rathole after another and Elon is somehow the problem? You sound like an NGO operative whose govt cheese is being threatened.
"I can't believe how many people here hate America and out Constitution."
Hard to believe the number of lefty shits drag that strawman around. Fuck off and die, asshole.
lol, imagine a fucking tankie lecturing us about the constitution.
Freethinksman - I cherish our Constitution. I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and restore our Constitution. You are correct, you can't just pick the parts you want to follow. Since you have been ignoring the Constitution for a very long time and there is very little left of it except a few important Amendments still being enforced in the Bill of Rights, you are being blatantly disingenuous when you accuse us of ignoring it now. I reject your tut-tutting with the extreme prejudice it so richly deserves.
"DOGE Can't Slash Government Without Congress."
This is true, but that's not DOGE is for.
DOGE is for exposing waste, fraud and mismanagement of our tax dollars as well as recommending what bureaucracies to eliminate and what programs need to be terminated.
It will be interesting who votes to keep funding needless, expensive and useless bureaucracies and programs come time to vote on a budget...especially those programs have been exposed as corrupt and/or unneeded.
It will be interesting who votes to keep funding needless, expensive and useless bureaucracies and programs come time to vote on a budget...especially those programs have been exposed as corrupt and/or unneeded.
What if they're strategically and reluctantly voted on?
That is what they say, but not what they are doing. They have identified very few if any waste, fraud and mismanagement of our tax dollars. They are cutting programs based in their politics.
If your politics say that the entire program is a waste of tax dollars, then that is in fact what they are doing.
As Obama infamously said, "elections have consequences". In this case, Trump is doing what the people who elected him want him to do - cut programs that by their very existence are a waste of dollars.
Winning an election does not give the President the power to violate federal law and the Constitution.
You've been asked this many times but I have yet to see you answer - exactly what law has the president violated?
Molly has no idea. It only repeats what it gets from MSDNC or its ActBlue talking points email for the day.
"If your politics say that the entire program is a waste of tax dollars, then that is in fact what they are doing."
The constitution of the United States does not authorize DOGE (or Donald Trump) to decide that an entire program authorized by Congress is a "waste of tax dollars", and simply refuse to carry out that program.
What law. exactly, has DOGE violated?
"What law. exactly, has DOGE violated?"
DOGE is presumably not doing anything without Donald Trump's permission. So it's Donald Trump who is violating the law(s), not DOGE.
The Constitution is one of the laws that Donald Trump is violating. The Constitution requires that the president "Take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
If Congress funds a USAID, and things like PEPFAR within USAID, a president cannot legally simply say, "USAID does not fit with my agenda" and simply refuse to execute the tasks that Congress authorized USAID to do (like PEPFAR).
There was never any real legal doubt about this fact (that the president can simply choose not to execute specific line items that Congress has authorized the president to execute).
And the Budget Impoundment and Control Act of 1974 made it even more clear what the president is required to do when he/she decides not to spend money Congress has authorized for particular tasks.
You mentioned nothing from the Constitution that either DOGE or Trump is supposedly breaking.
The President is not subservient to Congress, but rather an equal partner. In this situation, Trump is free to use whatever funds Congress allocates to his discretion, which in this situation modified DOGE, a department started by Obama, to execute such discretion, and will cut down spending as a result. Article II grants this.
Your remarks are not as bright as you believe they are.
"...They have identified very few if any waste, fraud and mismanagement of our tax dollars..."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Agreed. DOGE can slash all the government it wants that wasn't implemented by Congress, which is probably enough to keep them busy for four years. It's about time somebody had the balls to make the tough decisions and take action. For all things that Trump rightfully deserves criticism for, this is not one of them.
It's also helping the GOP to grow big ballz. Some say they wanted to do this in the past. Put up or get out of the way time.
And with it, the GOP seems to turn more libertarian on eliminating fraud and waste.
the administration needs buy-in from the branch that built it.
*ctrl-f USAID 0/0*
Congress didn't build that.
Yes they did. Only the name USAID came via executive order. The authorization and funding originated from the Foreign Assistance Act six weeks earlier
Not disagreeing, but I read somewhere funding required from the FAA was simply transferred to the State department. If so, is it not better to consolidate in the name of efficiency?
Idk how much efficiency results from moving one agency into another.
Given what USAID often did - spy/spook stuff that has diplomatic blowback - it wouldn't surprise me that that's why they separated the two.
Musk is right: "We need to delete entire agencies" and rein in bureaucratic rule. But he's wrong to think he alone can fix it.
No, he's not. He's not a politician. He's just a guy who knows $7T in waste when he sees it and that it would outrage any other man who knows $7T in waste when they see it. Congress *should* fall in line, but the degree to which they do not is a direct indicator as to the degree to which the deep state permeates and the swamp needs drained.
So, you're willing to place all of your eggs in the musk basket?
The state is definitely less deep if it is "just a guy", but the idea of having all of representative government "fall in line" to one guy... maybe is not the best idea. But it seems a sizable number want this, and even if that weren't the case, we have it just the same.
>>to one guy
not one guy ... like 70 million plus guys
That's between you and mad.casual. He's the one that said "He's just a guy".
no, I'm commenting on the idea of having all of representative government "fall in line" to one guy ... E has backup.
How many people has Musk fired? Zero. How much has Musk cut? Zero. Department heads make the decisions. They can say no. They are currently onboard with the plans.
Who's feeding the stuff into the wood chipper? Musk said he gave up going to a party to do it. Are you saying that Musk is lying and the department heads were actually running the wood chipper, and Musk could have just gone to the party?
Musk makes recommendations, but not any actual cutting or firing.
So you're willing to continue posting lies?
They can set the budget but they cant direct the departments.
Golly. Maybe checks and balances turned more into shared responsibilities. Congress authorizes without checking what's being spent and the Prez spends without checking the balances in any account.
I thought you've been saying that the President has no right to not spend the money. What is the point of checking anything if his hands are tied?
>>DOGE Can't Slash Government Without Congress
Cato, front and center with January 2025's headlines ...
Trump's personality disorders control his behavior. The best diagnosis is: 1) Histrionic Personality disorder, 2) Narcissistic Personality Disorder, 3) with paranoid features, which became stronger after he lost the 2020 Election.
People are so surprised that Trump does not change and I am so surprised that people can live with a madman, who often has good ideas, and ignore his extreme liabilities. The GOP's allowing Trump to run wild, as the GOP leadership is doing, is the best way to ruin his Presidency. People like Sen. John Thune are such cowardly weenies that they make Benedict Arnold look like a patriot.
So not just a Nazi but a crazy Nazi? Is this what you guys are going with now? Would this be considered quadrupling down? Please continue...
Hey look David said the thing.
Here's some TDS. Now defend Biden, Sanders, Warren, AOC, and Harris. Well Harris is a drunk, but the rest. Please enlighten us on to career civil servants that get rich working for the government out of the goodness of their hearts, right?
Trump is paranoid. Those 3 assassinations attempts non withstanding. Made up laws, non withstanding.
Get bent
Your solution is Kamala? Duh! Here we have a chance to reduce government, and supposed libertarians are against it. Anything vital can be restarted in four years if it is so great.
What a bunch of idiots.
You sound heavily indoctrinated.
Isn’t Rick the handle Paul switched to from Diane? This doesn’t sound like him at all.
That's Rick James (bitch).
Fuck me, you’re right.
RickAbrams raging case of TDS makes him a demented pile of shit.
Is this copypasta-ed from your ActBlue email this morning?
I think it was from his ActBlue email from 2018 or so.
...says the guy who had no problems with a corpse as "President" for 4 years who had spent decades selling influence openly and we still do not know who ACTUALLY ran the government from 2021-2024.
Congress wants to be able to blame Musk when their constituents come complaining about popular programs & services being cut. Their constituents are probably too ignorant to not accept the finger pointing & many in Congress will keep their safe seats (& I'm still at a loss as to why anyone can hear the term "safe seat" in Congress & not react with nausea)
Congressional Republicans know that a sizable portion of their base will believe *literally anything* that comes from a traditionally conservative outlet, like Fox or OAN. It's right wing media that is enabling Musk to run roughshod over Congress. Of course Congress could stop him quickly and easily, but then they would risk the ire of the demitards and halfwits. So here we are- with a Congress who is too scared to govern and to selfish to step aside to let someone who will. We are at the end folks. The noose is about to yank tight.
>>Congress who is too scared to govern
does governing mean stealing where you live?
Thinking of your political opponents as "deplorables" is what lost you the last election. So go on. Keep making that mistake.
Or maybe, someday, you could actually get to know some of those people and find out what they really believe.
Congress should go AGAINST the voters' wishes?
Seems kinda fascist to me, son.
I'm confused. This is Reason still right? A good article? Did Gene talk to Boehm before publishing this. There isn't any TDS or Musk hate or anything. Just facts.
I don't know this "Gene thing" author, but he seems like a socialist idiot.
Congress can institute agencies, if the act is signed by the Executive. The Executive can not shut such an agency down, and don't think there is an example where they are...potentially except examples DOGE and Trump set up to waste the time of the suite of governors et al trying to tie the Administration in knots by legislation.
Congress allocated funding with a budget, also as approved by the Executive. The Executive must use this budget, ONLY as it is specifically enumerated. If the budget was enumerated for condoms for Gaza, then the Executive must provide it, AND Congress must stand behind the decision they made and live with the consequences. 1) No one has really enumerated the waste before. This is good by any measure (except the totalitarian oligarchs). 2) If the details are not enumerated by Congress, the budget is at the discretion of the Executive ... not a call from a shady senator. This is EXACTLY how it is supposed to go, and why the SWAMP is rejecting scrutiny and accountability.
The rest of this idiot article is just TDS fallacious bullshit.
Get you head out of your ass, Gene.
I didn't read it that way. I read it as DOGE is doing good but only true change can come from Congress. Like you said Congress passes the budget. The budget needs to be cut. Executive can't cut the budget just make sure it goes to the needed places, which is what you stated. (I mean we were 2 trillion over last year, exec helped that).
Trump wanted a line item veto in 1st term. They said no.
Instead of impounding unspent, down a black hole intended money, Can Trump just burn it up in a bonfire in the White house back yard?
Gee, I remember when Obama bombed cities and pushed dream act without congressional approval, the left squealed and clapped like trained seals. That was just him overcoming "obstruction" to get things done.
Is it a constitutional crisis for a president to hold up military aid approved by congress? Not when the prez is a donkey!
If some leftwing watch dog group found that USAID was funding white supremacist, the focus would be either shut the place down and start from scratch. If someone like Rand or Massie insisted on deferring to congress, the left would deride them some stickler for convention or closet racist.
In their world, and only in their world, is an "unelected" entity shedding light on wasteful spending some kind of dictatorial power grab. Edward Snowden wasn't elected by anyone - we should dismiss what he revealed on government abuse of power?
Mr. Healy, I enjoyed your book, and generally enjoy your writing. In this article you asked, "Even some self-described libertarians are not at all amused by the Musketeers' hijinks. I'm at a loss: How are they not enjoying this?"
I can't speak for all libertarians who are not amused, but will endeavor to share my thoughts. I would like a return to constitutional government, one where the president and the executive branch is constrained by the laws passed by Congress. Much of what is going on with DOGE is illegal and unconstitutional. You yourself seem to recognize that. Trashing the constitution and violating numerous laws is no way to return to constitutional government and rein in an imperial presidency. In short, I don't disagree with all that is being done, although I'd quibble with firing workers who maintain our nuclear stockpile and airport radars (at least until another plan is in effect). But I object strongly with HOW it's all being done.
The President has a constitutional duty to disregard unconstitutional laws/agencies/spending, doesn’t he? Wouldn’t that result in the immediate termination of a ton of agencies/bureaucrats?
Duty to disregard? No, not at all. Responsibility to challenge unconstitutional acts in court, yes.
Exactly. The president is required to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
If the president thinks his doing that conflicts with his oath to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States", then the president should challenge the laws. There is nowhere in the Constitution an authority for the president to execute only the laws he/she likes.
You two didn't read Article II, have you? The President has the right to use discernment of the funds that Congress passes. This means that any wasteful spending can be stopped. Neither of you have been able to provide what precisely DOGE is violating.
The Executive Branch is not submissive to the Legislative Branch, it is a co-equal partner.
"You two didn't read Article II, have you?"
I've read it enough to know that it absolutely and unquestionably does NOT say:
"The President has the right to use discernment of the funds that Congress passes"...or...
"The President is allowed to use discernment whenever Congress passes a funding bill."
If you think it does, your probably reading the version Donald Trump wrote. (Which you should have been able to tell, because "Constitution" was capitalized and misspelled.)
That had to be painful, Gene, to admit that you were a bit of a Libertarian there at the end and grudgingly agree that cutting the budget of stupid stuff is a worthwhile strategy.
But if it pains you to realize or acknowledge Trump's administration doing this, you could have at least pointed out that Clinton tried to reduce the bureaucracy and was relatively successful. I'm just mentioning this in case you need to save face with your Liberal/Libertarians watching you. You never know who the next budget hawk will be!
They can trim every single agency down to 0 employees of they believe 0 employees will achieve the objectives of the agency in question. Clearly 0 employees at the department of education will result in better educational outcomes, which will make it a better agency.
"They can trim every single agency down to 0 employees of they believe 0 employees will achieve the objectives of the agency in question. Clearly 0 employees at the department of education will result in better educational outcomes, which will make it a better agency."
No, that's not how it works. Congress approves spending for specific items, like "Title I grants to local educational agencies, and "Federal Pell Grant Program."
https://www.ed.gov/sites/ed/files/about/overview/budget/budget24/summary/24summary.pdf
Congress doesn't simply say, "Spend and do whatever you think you should to improve educational outcomes."
Article II states that the President is allowed to use discernment whenever Congress passes a funding bill. The President is not meant to be completely submissive to whatever Congress does.
"Article II states that the President is allowed to use discernment whenever Congress passes a funding bill."
The words "The President is allowed to discernment whenever Congress passes a funding bill" are nowhere to be found in Article II.
Boy, wouldn't it be refreshing to see articles at Reason on this topic with headlines like, "Doge shows the fraud and waste, so When is congress going to act?" or "Democrats elect to whine and protest, instead of writing their own bills to help cut the waste and fraud on display thanks to Doge" or is it really too much to ask the writers at Reason to hold Democrats accountable for anything?
Exactly, spot-on!
*sigh* Perhaps in an alternate universe...
Imagine Reason writers
even if you can
actually tell it like it is
instead of cover for the man
Imagine all the readers
getting some respect, yoo hooo!
There might be some libertarians
but there might be only one
I hope some day they'll join us
and put the Marxist fuckers on the run!
Imagine no propaganda
even if you try
no brainwashed morons
screaming at the sky
Imagine all the people
seeing through the lies, yoo hooo!
You may say I'm a dreamer
but I'm not the only one
I'm glad some people are waking up
'cause mocking leftards is jolly fun!
Imagine propagandists
kicked out of their holes
rolling up their shirt sleeves
and cleaning toilet bowls
Imagine useful idiots
getting useful jobs, yoo hoooo!
Let's expose all the schemers
from U-S-A-I-D
and send the traitors among them
to the penitentiary!
"But it won't, so long as the DOGEnauts believe they can cut trillions from the federal budget with executive action alone. To get the job done, DOGE needs Congress."
But the thing is, DOGE doesn't need Congress. That's exactly why "Even some self-described libertarians are not at all amused by the Musketeers' hijinks."
DOGE is showing that the rule of law is extremely fragile. DOGE is showing that if even a substantial and vocal minority thinks the rule of law shouldn't exist, then it won't. I don't see why any libertarian would be amused by that.
DOGE is only acting within its constitutional power. Congress can pass laws that can help DOGE's overall mission in the long-term, but they are not needed for what's happening now.
You really shouldn't be defending the massive waste of tax dollars. Good on DOGE for exposing that.
"You really shouldn't be defending the massive waste of tax dollars."
No one (including you) should be defending Donald Trump's failure to perform his constitutional duty to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
Mark is for waste. Good to know.
Trump is using prosecutorial discretion here. That is good enough.
No, I'm not just against waste, I'm against every single thing the federal government is doing that unconstitutional. And that includes the Department of Education and USAID (including PEPFAR).
But because--unlike people here--I'm against *everything* that's unconstitutional, and *everything* that violates the rule of law, I'm against *any* president simply ignoring the laws that Congress has passed, simply because he doesn't like them.
There is nothing in the constitution that authorizes a president to simply say, "The Department of Education is a waste, and USAID is a waste. So I'm going to fire all their employees, and stop carrying out all the things that Congress has told me to tell them to do."
"Trump is using prosecutorial discretion here."
That's complete BS. Article lI of the constitution requires that the president "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." The constitution does not say:
"The president may use his discretion to pick and choose the Congressional laws he executes."
Where has Trump just eliminated whole departments? I would like to see that come to fruition, but all that has happened is pointing out waste, fraud, and/or abuse which the department heads or Trump address by making cuts or firings. The point is to reduce the excess, but also to bring it to the attention of the American people. This will help prod Congress to make substantive cuts, like eliminating the DOE. Has Trump issued an executive order eliminating the DOE?
So is it your contention that the President has to execute plainly unconstitutional laws/spending (that you yourself recognize as such)?
How do you square that with his duty to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”?
Obama created DOGE, he just used a different name.
Didn't actually do anything during his terms, but waste more money. Maybe that's why there wasn't the pushback?
Gene Healy, if the executive branch can't cut expenses and eliminate staff under the executive branch and we need to wait for congress to do it, it will never happen. Thinking like this much make you a proud supporter of the deep state bureaucracy.
The congress is complicit in the waste, abuse, and fraud. How can the elected members of the legislative branch enter into office with a low net worth, get payed a a fair, but not earth shattering amount, but end up as a multi-millionaires after a few short years.
It you are correct, the entire system will collapse, because the current trajectory is not even close to being sustainable. While there are bigger areas of waste, abuse, and fraud that need to be addressed, but the executive branch cleaning up government under the control of the executive branch is a good place to start.
Is there any question why the warmongers of the Biden regime were pushing so hard to provoke a world war? If solves the insolvency problems because who questions their waste, abuse, and fraud when we are in a world war and give them the opportunity to flush the books and start over.
Understand that I'm not a supported of Trump and have serious doubts, however he in these few weeks has been a refreshing change from the presidential puppet and his warmongering puppeteers.
We keep harping on bureaucracy when the elephant in the room is congressional corruption. And corruption is a word you will not hear uttered by anyone in the government. It is officially banned from their vocabulary. I wonder why that is?
As far as I'm concerned Musk is just getting started. There's lots more to cut.
How about leaving NATO? How about closing all our military bases throughout Europe and the U.K.?, The middle east. How about bringing our people home and using them to protect our borders against drug traffickers, Chinese spies and gang bangers.
We don't owe the You're-A -peeings anything. As for the U.K. it's not worth spending another dime defending that washed up failed shit hole.
They deserve whatever happens to them.
Citizens United remains a serious obstacle to ending congressional paralysis.
^^^Citizens United is a constant wind in the sails of corruption. If you have millions to contribute you’ve got dozens of Federal contracts and can expect more. When there is endless dark money, more privatization will not lead to more efficiency, it will only lead to more corporate welfare.
24/207 Grey box breakdown.
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