The Document That Explains Why Nationalists Keep Trying To Ban Porn
Do lawmakers believe they should be trying to make more Christians?

For the second year in a row, Oklahoma Republican Sen. Dusty Deevers has introduced a bill that would criminalize pornography in the state. If passed, S.B. 593 would create "criminal penalties of up to 10 years in prison for production, distribution, or possession" of consensual adult pornographic material and "10-to-30-year criminal penalties for organized pornography trafficking."
The bill died last session after being assigned to, and ignored by, the Judiciary Committee, but its language was broad enough to criminalize the illustrator of erotic drawings or "even someone who simply sent someone who is not their spouse a sexually charged photo," as Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown reported.
It would be easy to write Deevers off as a marginal figure who has attached himself to a strange lost cause, like the Florida representative who tried to repeal his state's ban on dwarf tossing in 2011. But Deevers not only has a posse, but a much broader agenda for America. This agenda was detailed in The Statement on Christian Nationalism & the Gospel, a manifesto of which Deevers was the primary author. His co-writers included former Trump appointee William Wolfe and Texas pastor/online influencer Joel Webbon. Christian Nationalists are a disorganized bunch, ranging from dispensational dominionists who want America to help Israel build a third temple to theonomic anti-Zionists who want America's laws to reflect those handed down by Moses. But Deevers' statement is meant to be a conciliatory document—bringing together the populist right faithful regardless of "confessional tradition or denomination" to silence non-Christian voices in the public square, criminalize pornography, and repel immigration.
The ideological core of this document is a Christian Nationalist reading of "the Great Commission," Jesus' command to his apostles to "go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you." The Commission is generally understood as evangelistic as opposed to coercive—after all, baptism always follows sincere belief and voluntary repentance in the New Testament. But Deevers' Statement regards the Commission as, in part, a call for rulers to impose onto non-Christians uniquely religious imperatives regarding consensual sexual behavior, obedience to the Ten Commandments, and official recognition of orthodox Christian creeds.
The Statement also urges the adoption of laws that have not traditionally been connected with Christian doctrine, such as a more restrictive immigration policy. However, it seeks to avoid being direct on this point. Its language of "secur[ing] our borders and defend[ing] against foreign invaders" suggests a reactionary opposition to immigration, not to mention its definition of a nation as a "particular body of people in a particular place" who are bound together by a "shared… lineage" and "languages." But Deevers' statement also denies that "sovereign nations must only be composed of mono-ethnic populations" and repudiates "sinful ethnic partiality in all its various forms."
This last point would seem to be the nail in the coffin of getting ethnonationalist buy-in for this statement. However, Deevers' co-author Joel Webbon clarified on X that as to "race…and how it relates to nationhood," the Statement is no concession to left-wing critics of racism, but affirms that, "there is a manner of ethnic partiality that is sinful, BUT there is a manner which is NOT sinful."
The tension between these two seemingly contradictory positions was massaged by Webbon in his correction of fellow Christian Nationalists Andrew Torba and Eric Conn. Whereas they had tweeted that a multi-ethnic society inevitably leads to "ethnic chaos," Webbon took the more moderate (for a Christian Nationalist) position: while this is generally true, racial discord can be ameliorated when the state officially embraces the identity of "a distinctly Christian nation."
In sum, although the Statement avoids calling all ethnic partiality "sinful," refers to immigrants as invaders, and presents ethnic nationalism as normative and perhaps preferable, Webbon argues its denial that a nation must be ethnically unified places it in the "moderate-centrist" position within Christian Nationalism. It also appears to be a not-so-insignificant position within MAGA. Indeed, the Trump administration's imposition of federal arrest quotas on migrants will certainly help to make it the de facto reality as many Latino Americans will inevitably be wrongly profiled and made to feel like outsiders.
The Statement on Christian Nationalism & the Gospel seems, at times, to suggest some libertarian sympathies. For instance, Article VII includes a denial that "civil authorities are tasked with being the caretakers of citizens or educators of children" because government schooling creates "a culture of dependence upon the state." Article X urges "restraint in international military intervention and adventurism in overseas 'democracy building'" and Article XVIII adds that wars should never be waged for greed or even to spread "good ideas" like democracy or Christianity. However, this philosophy of minding one's own business does not trickle down to the individual. It only protects the "sovereignty" of states to compel their reading of Christian ethics onto the people in its territory.
The Statement seeks to be as ecumenical as possible, not drilling down on too many divisive theological questions or espousing "any particular eschatological [end of days] framework." Nevertheless, another animating force within much of the Christian Nationalist movement is a certain kind of postmillennial eschatology. Postmillennialism argues that the world will become more and more Christian and then Jesus will return, so its advocates often describe it as "optimistic" in contrast to the "bad days are coming" Left Behind premillennialism of many dispensationalists. Paradoxically, many of the latter are also fellow travelers with Christian Nationalists. While some postmillennialists imagine a future where the world becomes more Christian as a voluntary response to evangelism and discipleship, Christian Nationalists scorn those voluntary postmillennialists as "pietists" and insist that Jesus wants us to advance the gospel (as they understand it) through the violent force of the state. Thus, despite a shared interest in military non-interventionism and a suspicion of certain kinds of state control over schools, Christian Nationalists are, at their core, diametrically opposed to the libertarian principles of individualism and the creation of a voluntary society.
It remains to be seen whether questions about Christian Nationalism are largely academic—a debate relegated to Christian pastors and theologians—or if it will be a significant force in American politics. While Christian Nationalism is a niche viewpoint now, its major advocates are strongly pro-Trump and hope to leverage their relationship with the MAGA coalition to achieve as many of their goals as possible. In an era of deal-making and creating policy just to "own the libs," we should expect a few wins for Christian Nationalists, particularly when they can advocate for policies that Trump is already passionate about, such as crackdowns on immigration.
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What about dwarf tossing porno? Is that a thing?
Salad tossing dwarf porno is.
*opens google*
Why waste any time on this handful of weirdos?
Gotta keep changing words and moving the targets. As alt-right, maga, proud boys, etc start waning as terms for scary right wing boogeymen they need some new scary term for their opposition. Likewise, they keep rebranding their own bullshit and pretending we aren't following their shifted terms and are weird for noticing. Stupid cycle of "it isn't happening. It is happening but not as bad as you think. It is happen and it's as bad as you think, but shut up nazi. It is new term for thing."
Lol. Christian nationalists are the biggest threat ever i guess.
They are to neo Marxist extremists who want to murder infants, and groom/rape the survivors.
That's why we need more Muslim immigration. They'll put a stop to this religious nonsense.
Kinda...
If UK is the example, a large Muslim population will help push back some of that stuff but comes with a lot of worse things. I see too few examples of them being successful in shutting down all but a few niche aspects of wokeness.
ANd you are clueless fool of the year.
>>While Christian Nationalism is a niche viewpoint now ...
if it even reaches niche status
Strange enemy for Reason to pick, since the adherents of the actual movement could fit in an Arby's washroom.
I think it is just a way to hate on Christians in general, as well as chaff and redirect for the fact that they're big government establishment progressives LARPing as libertarians.
Niche? Maybe fingerhold.
It can't possibly be because they think it exploits young women?
I believe they will use that as an excuse but, no, that's not their real reason for wanting it banned. With that said, plenty of the progressive feminist left also hate porn and want to see it banned also.
anolther stupid poorly-phrased self-contradicting load of shit from you
You believe but you don't know...then you abandon that and talk about 'real reason' [ what a moron you are ] then you contradict both statements by the FACT [your first fact) that progressive feminists oppose this...and then another godawful juvenille asshole statement about them wanting it banned.
So all one can conclude is that you think it is alright to ban IF you have the right reasons. WHAT STUPID HORSESHIT
Holy fucking triggered bro! Calm the fuck down, you might have a heart attack.
Wouldn't this create more jobs for hookers?
You (people (Reasonistas) have no idea what Nationalism is
So Christian Nationalists are a disorganized posse of unspecified numbers that want to ban your porn among other things.
Cody Cook, are you Culture War fear mongering?
You are Culture War fear mongering! How precious!
Seriously, you do not have anything more pressing to write about?
Christian Nationalism is the new Q Anon. Let me repeat that with the appropriate scare quotes: "Christian Nationalism" is the new Q Anon.
I like porn as much as the next guy, but if porn were outlawed tonight, well, I have enough saved on my computer to last.
Do Zoomers not know how to download?
I'd still take the christian nationalists over the muslim invaders.
"It would be easy to write Deevers off as a marginal figure who has attached himself to a strange lost cause"
And nothing in the rest of the article has convinced me otherwise.
The Liberaltarian movement must be terribly demoralized if they are raising this bogeyman.
The Reasonistas are obviously demoralized with all the MAGA/DOGE winning
Christian Nationalists are a disorganized bunch, ranging from dispensational dominionists who want America to help Israel build a third temple to theonomic anti-Zionists who want America's laws to reflect those handed down by Moses.
This sentence brought to you either by George Will in disguise, or AI that doesn't know what words are commonly known in American English.
The Dispensational Dominionists was the name of my garage band in high school. We got more pussy than Frank Sinatra.
About that... here's Tom Holland explaining why we live in a world that's essentially... um, handed down by Moses.
But you are both wrong because I know nationalists and I know Christians and not one in 10 that you would call CN call themselves that.
Fuck you. There's plenty here in your explanation of the fringe concept of Christian nationalism that I'm absolutely against. However, I will also say that the things I disagree with would actually build a stronger and better culture as well as a thriving society.
I'm not going to panic over the new boogeyman of Christian nationalists and frankly I'll take them over the progressives. Maybe try making the progressives less fucking insane and people won't be stuck looking at these excesses as the lesser evil.
Christo-fascists scored their big victory with Dobbs.
More on the way.
Federalism=Christo-Fascism. You heard it here first from a child pornographer.
You are a fool and you speak like a demented pig. Not one parent on here would want you near their children. They'd probably shoot you dead and the world would be better off.
>Do lawmakers believe they should be trying to make more Christians?
1. Do you think Christians are the only nationalist in the US?
2. What is wrong with nationalism? You guys love it when the Canadians do it.
I'll take Christian Nationalists over the Progressives.
The former are tolerant people, tolerant of different races. The latter absolutely are not tolerant of anything that they don't allow.
And they constantly change what they don't allow, in order to expose posers who are not connected True Believers. It's kind of like 19th Century aristocrats creating very elaborate social customs and table manners to expose New Money infiltrators.
About 'poseurs' and True Believers.
That comes from Eric Hoffer and he would not support that reasoning.
man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people's business.
This minding of other people's business expresses itself in gossip, snooping and meddling, and also in feverish interest in communal, national, and racial affairs. In running away from ourselves we either fall on our neighbor's shoulder or fly at his throat.
“There is perhaps no surer way of infecting ourselves with virulent hatred toward a person than by doing him a grave injustice.” --and one of the ancients said this very thing...that we don't hate others because of what they have done to us so much as we know we have mistreated them.
“The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a God or not. The atheist is a religious person. He believes in atheism as though it were a new religion.”
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Where you fail is in thinking that all the noveau riche or the monied classes had the same religion. The people who believe and follow what they believe are usuallly more concerned about bolstering good rather than fighting evil.
What you miss is the key discriminator among everyone is "ARE YOU HATES STRONGER THAN YOUR LOVES"
None of that has anything to do with what I said.
Another "what if" fear mongering article.
But yeah; Keep your religion out of politics.
ESPECIALLY this [Na]tional So[zi]alist Empire conquered one (wildly dangerous).
It's time for the Constitution to Restore the USA and ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
NOT to make it worse with religion.
who want America's laws to reflect those handed down by Moses
Just out of curiosity, Cody - which of the laws of Moses do you disagree with?
Before we go through them, allow me to point out that they're not just Commandments - they're in order of priority and importance.
#1 "I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me."
OK fine, Church and State. Even the Founders agreed. But on a personal level, aside from stubborn obstinance, is there some specific reason you have a problem with this?
And have you not noticed that the absence of this Commandment in society has lead to socially destructive pagan cults (LGBT, environmentalism) and hostile anti-religions (protestantism, islam, atheism) taking root? And yes, these ARE cults and I will happily explain why if asked.
#2: "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain."
Language. It's really not that much to ask in polite society. Unless you have some objection to polite society.
#3: "Remember to keep holy the Lord's day."
Be thankful and grateful for your existence. That's all it means. You don't believe in the Big Guy, fine. But what could possibly be more valuable to a person than spending an hour - a mere hour in a day, fifty-two times a year - reflecting on how amazing it is that you even exist. This is especially true for atheists who genuinely believe that they are nothing more than a random cosmic happenstance.
Have you EVER considered the sheer probability of your own unique existence in contrast with an entire universe that expands faster than we'll ever be able to chase it to its ends? Let alone think to yourself, "Wow, in all this (seemingly) chaotic mess, I somehow managed to find identity."
So, really, what's objectionable about that? Or do you just take it all for granted and without even the slightest care?
#4: "Honor your father and your mother."
So, this is about the importance of family. It's a recognition that the traditional, nuclear family is the framework for ALL of civilized society. ANY society. Even most monkeys get this to some degree.
Yea, look if your mom was a drug-addicted whore and your father was an abusive pedophile - obviously it's not saying you should put them on a pedestal. But recognize and appreciate that YOU wouldn't exist without them. And they wouldn't exist but for their parents. And their parents for their parents. And so on. This chain goes all the way back to Adam, and thus to God Himself.
Again, just a humble appreciation for your existence. And for that which, whom, made it exist. And the reason it's such a high-level Commandment is to emphasize the effort to BE functional families.
#5: "You shall not kill."
If you have an objection to this, there's something really wrong with you. Even if we're talking about self-defense or war, killing should come with a sense of pain, regret, and repentance.
Nobody should ever WANT to kill. We may need to at times, but killing should never be wanton. If you disagree with this, seek help.
#6: "You shall not commit adultery."
Don't betray your promises. Ever. If you have an objection to this, there's something really wrong with you.
#7: "You shall not steal."
Don't take what's not yours. Ownership of a thing is earned. If you haven't earned it, you have no right to it whatsoever. If you have an objection to this, there's something really wrong with you.
#8: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
Don't lie. Is that honestly - no pun intended - so much to ask? Be straight with people in your regular dealings with them. Yea, OK, I can consider the little white lies ("does this make me look fat?") to stave off harshness or cruelty. But there's actually a way to address those with tact and civility, without resorting to overt deception.
Is honestly really that objectionable to anyone?
#9: "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife."
Don't measure the merit of your own life against others. And don't homewreck (see #4) for your own greed, lust, and envy. Is that really objectionable to anyone?
#10: "You shall not covet your neighbor's goods."
Don't measure your own stuff against others. Be grateful for what you have, not envious of what you don't. Is that really objectionable to anyone?
The telling part is how you put a "but" in #1.
"A PERSONAL God" ...but... I prefer, "Politicians as Gov-Gun packing Gods."???
TJ, put down the crack pipe and then go re-read what I wrote.
"But" ... "is there some specific reason you have a problem with this?"
I don't know why I have to link to your own post.
To answer YES ... because of separation of "Church and State".
There is no "but"....
What a stupid goddman post.
IF you had kids you wouldn't talk like a clueless assshole
How does the staff at 'reason' keep their fingers from sticking to their keyboards? And who oils their chairs so they don't squeak too much?