Understaffed Air Traffic Control, DEI Are Unlikely Causes of D.C. Plane Crash
There's still a lot we don't know and initial speculation from the media and the president about the causes of Wednesday's disaster appear off-base.

In the immediate aftermath of the deadly collision between an Army Blackhawk helicopter and an American Airlines flight over Washington D.C., people are searching for answers.
The direct cause of the Wednesday night collision, which has tragically left 67 people dead, is not known yet.
Initial reporting has tended to focus on potential error or confusion on the part of the Blackhawk pilot, which resulted in it being "in the wrong place at the wrong time."
The helicopter pilot was flying under visual flight rules (meaning the pilot was using their eyes, not their instruments to avoid other aircraft) and had reported to air traffic control that they could see a regional jet approaching the airport.
An Army spokesperson told The New York Times that the helicopter pilots had experience flying this route near Reagan National Airport and that any assessment about the accident should wait until the Blackhawk's black box is recovered.
The New York Times and Washington Post, both citing a preliminary government accident report that was described to them, report that the air traffic control tower was at below-normal staffing levels and that two controller positions that would have separately handled helicopter and airplane traffic were being manned by one person.
The Post reports that there were only two controllers in the tower instead of the four that would normally be there at that time.
However, current and former air traffic controllers who spoke to Reason said that it is standard for a single controller to be responsible for all local air traffic, including both helicopters and airplanes.
"Unless they have an extremely abnormal operation, I would shoot down the idea that there should have two controllers talking to each airplane," says one current air traffic controller who spoke anonymously to Reason. "I would bet a million dollars that's not the case."
The Army helicopter and the commercial airliner would have been operating on different radio frequencies, but communications with air traffic control would still be handled by one air traffic controller, they said.
Having two separate people in that role "would add a challenge with communications. [You'd] have to communicate with the guy next to you controlling different traffic in the same airspace. That's unsafe," this controller says.
"In my experience it's not" unusual to have one controller to be in charge of both helicopters and airplanes, says Michael Hawks a former Air Force air traffic control tower operator. "It's called local control and they control all the aircraft in the air."
The Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) manual that describes the positions and responsibilities of air traffic control tower staff does not mention any division of responsibility between helicopter and airplane traffic.
Depending on staffing levels, the FAA manual does say that the role of Tower Position has responsibility for flight separation and traffic flows, but that traffic flows can be handled by a Tower Coordinator if that position is staffed.
The controllers who spoke with Reason say that there is every indication that the air traffic control tower at Reagan was appropriately staffed at the time of the accident.
In the immediate aftermath of Wednesday's tragedy, both President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance suggested that past diversity hiring initiatives at the FAA might have contributed to the accident.
"This shocking event follows problematic and likely illegal decisions during the Obama and Biden Administrations that minimized merit and competence" at FAA, said a White House press release issued Thursday.
The press release references a now infamous biographical questionnaire for air traffic control applicants adopted under the Obama administration that was intended to diversify the controller applicant pool.
As has been revealed in past reporting and subsequent lawsuits, FAA employees leaked answers to the questionnaire to black applicants to improve their chances of being selected into the FAA's air traffic controller training program.
Applicants who were excluded from that training program because of the questionnaire are currently suing the FAA over alleged race-based discrimination. The use of that biographical questionnaire was ended in 2018.
While using that biographical questionnaire is a legitimate scandal, "there's no evidence that the result of what they're calling the DEI program had a negative impact on the qualifications, the competence of the controller workforce," says Marc Scribner, a transportation researcher at Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes Reason.
The FAA has long had difficulty recruiting enough air traffic controllers, which has created an overall air traffic control staffing shortage.
The causes of this staffing shortage however are many, and many years in the making, say Scribner. Past government shutdowns, budget sequestrations, and competing budgetary priorities within the Department of Transportation, of which the FAA is a part, have reduced the agency's capacity to train a sufficient number of new controllers.
"Although I support the president with what he says mostly, I think what he said was very damaging," said the current controller who spoke with Reason in reference to Trump's Thursday morning comments about the accident.
Safety concerns about military helicopter flights near D.C.'s busy Reagan National Airport are not new. The Wall Street Journal cites a series of complaints from airline pilots over the years about near misses with military helicopters. However, it will likely be weeks before we even have a preliminary assessment of what caused the accident.
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However, it will likely be weeks before we even have a preliminary assessment of what caused the accident.
Right. But you wrote a story anyway. Get back to us when you know shit.
And why not report now? Why should he be alone? Both the left & right have already spun their imaginary tales. I'm glad Reason did this report. Part of the story here is not the crash itself but each side trying to score points off of it. Neither side really cares what caused it or even that lives were lost, but instead are thinking "how can we turn this to our advantage?" An article like this, if you believe the one credible source (a former air traffic controller) shows Neither DEI nor under-staffing played any role in the crash. I'd say that's worth reporting.
Bet ya won't hear this on any mainstream news. A crash that is just an accident and has no political agenda isn't "news-worthy" and doesn't fit the narrative.
One thing I'm confused about. So there is a shortage of air traffic controllers- Is having one standard now because of that shortage?
And the idea there is more then one doesn't necessarily mean they were handling the planes and helicopter traffic separately. There could still be more then one person working but not based on that division.
Also, Trump did that thing where he didn't actually say it was because of DEI, he said he didn't know it this case.
That's part of Trump style that has a specific effect. When people say "He said it was because of DEI" supporters will say "he never said that, fake news media lies". At the same time, the other half of MAGA will say "Oh, of course it was because of DEI, the media is lying and covering up."
"...Also, Trump did that thing where he didn't actually say it was because of DEI, he said he didn't know it this case..."
IOWs, one more "DID YOU HEAR WHAT TRUMP SAID?!?!?!", when he said nothing of the sort.
Fucking TDSS-addled shit-piles like Britschgi need to fuck off and die.
He didn't explicitly say "DEI is to blame," he just inferred in such a way that's it's obvious to anyone with a fucking brain what he was talking about. And "TDS" is a recycled term from the fucking Bush years. They only had to change one letter to get dipshits like you to lap it up. What an impressive freethinker you are.
"He didn't explicitly say "DEI is to blame," he just inferred in such a way that's it's obvious to anyone with a fucking brain what he was talking about..."
So TDS-addled slimy piles of shit like you can lie about "WHAT TRUMP SAID!!!!"
Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick and then make the word a better place: Fuck off and die, asshole.
There is a transcript of what he said you imbecile. Let me quote his press conference and his words verbatim:
"Brilliant people have to be in those positions and their lives are actually shortened, very substantially shortened because of the stress. Where you have many, many planes coming into one target and you need a very special talent and a very special genius to be able to do it. Targeted disabilities are those disabilities at the federal government as a matter of policy, as identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring, the FAA's website states. They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism all qualify for the position of a controller of airplanes pouring into our country, pouring into a little spot, a little dot on the map, a little runway.
(23:15)
The initiative is part of the FAA's Diversity and inclusion hiring plan. Think of that. The initiative is part of the FAA's Diversity and Inclusion hiring plan, which says diversity is integral to achieving FAA's mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think it's just the opposite. The FAA website shows that the agency's guidance on diversity hiring were last updated on March 23rd of '22. They wanted to make it even more.
(23:46)
And then I came in and I assume maybe this is the reason, the FAA, which is overseen by Secretary Pete Buttigieg, a real winner. That's the guy's a real winner. Do you know how badly everything's run since he's run this Department of Transportation? He's a disaster. He was a disaster as a mayor. He ran his city into the ground and he's a disaster now. He's just got a good line of bullshit. The Department of Transportation, his government agency charged with regulating civil aviation while he runs it, 45,000 people and he is run it right into the ground with his diversity. So I had to say that it's terrible."
Considering at the time he made this speech... the black box recorders were not even recovered, the wreckage was still being collected... the investigation was in its infancy. But Trump had this prepared speech with specific quotes on FAA website from 2022? Not every position at the FAA is in air traffic control but he directly implies that the diversity and inclusion recruitment including people with intellectual disabilities and dwarfism is for air traffic controllers!! Its in the transcript quoted directly above.
How bout you fuck off and die Sevo? You contribute less than nothing to any comment thread other than being a total jackass.
So he didn't say that, but TDS-addled steaming piles of shit like you and Joe Jonas lie and tell us he did?
How about you get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick and then fuck off and die? You add nothing but one more TDS-addled voice.
Gee, called on your bullshit, and you got nothing?
Why am I not surprised, steaming pile of TDS addled shit who claims to be a lawyer, while proving him/herself to be a steaming pile of TDS addled shit?
Perhaps steaming piles of TDS addled shits tend to be lying piles of TDS addled piles of shit? Pretty sure we have your number; fuck off and die, asshole. Make your family proud!
Still waiting for something to make your claim, shit-bag. Nothing yet.
Still waiting for you to support your claim, TDS addled steaming pile of shit.
Q: “You have today blamed the diversity elements but then told us that you weren’t sure that the controllers made any mistake. You then said perhaps the helicopter pilots were the ones who made the mistake.”
TRUMP: “It’s all under investigation.”
Q: “I understand that. That’s why I’m trying to figure out how you can come to the conclusion right now that diversity had something to do with this crash.”
TRUMP: “Because I have common sense. OK? And unfortunately, a lot of people don’t. We want brilliant people doing this. This is a major chess game at the highest level. When you have 60 planes coming in during a short period of time, and they’re all coming in different directions, and you’re dealing with very high-level computer, computer work and very complex computers.”
This is the same tactic that mystical bigots have used to get laws passed initiating deadly force. Marijuana and LSD have never killed anyone, yet tens of thousands not shot and killed by enforcement have spent potentially productive centuries if not millenia in jail. But look at the articles before such laws were passed. All say LSD "has the capacity" to drive you batshit crazy, marijuana "could lead to" drugs that--like gin and cigarettes--are actually harmful. The Agument From Intimidation builds on these sneers to justify deadly aggression and the hiring of thugs at 6 to 10 grand a month each plus retirement and medical.
Oh, and TDS addled shit piles like you.
Fuck off and die.
A local College has one of the few programs to train Air Traffic Controllers. When they finish the College, they apply to the FAA and if accepted they attend the FAA school in Kansas City. I work for an electrical company. We are always short handed. Right now we have three guys in training who are graduates of the College ATC program. When they applied to the FAA they were informed that they did NOT meet the diversity quota that the FAA wanted. Yet the FAA ATC is complaining that they can't find enough "qualified" applicants.
The faa stated their goal was equity, not flight safety. Fuck them
Because, he is speculating that understaffing and or DEI had no effect, he has no more evidence than a couple anecdotes. No evidence. He's speculating (and has a pretty significant history of speculating incorrectly when it comes to Trump, because of his own bias).
The issue with staffing shortage may also end up being slightly different than the article asserts.
A long-term staffing shortage always results in people getting used to the shortage and figuring out workarounds to deal with 'normal' work load. That seems to be the focus of this article and the ATC experts who are opining.
A short-term staffing shortage is always a problem. By definition, they don't know yet what their shortage really is relative to the work. And that can be very very local - one airport, maybe even one shift.
A long-term staffing shortage always results in people getting used to the shortage...
You must be in management—"do more with less" bullshit.
You must be in management—"do more with less" bullshit.
They literally use that line where I work. At the nuclear weapons laboratory. I'm sure it will be fine.
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion aren't about hiring the less qualified candidate merely because she's black.
Its about NOT hiring the less qualified candidate merely because he's white.
Everyone says that their hiring practices treat all candidates equally. But in reality its the white men who get treated so much more equally than everyone else. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/the-resume-bias-how-names-and-ethnicity-influence-employment-opportunities
DEI unlikely to have caused crash. Sure....the pilot being trained on that Blackhawk was a black female that had already had one close encounter with an airplane on that same training flight.
Rebecca Lobach was a Black female?
Here’s some shit:
The Blackhawk and crj were likely gps spoofed. Yep, you heard it here first.
Check this from MIT tech review in 2019 :
In fact, something far more dangerous was happening, and the Manukai’s captain was unaware of it. Although the American ship’s GPS signals initially seemed to have just been jammed, both it and its neighbor had also been spoofed—their true position and speed replaced by false coordinates broadcast from the ground.
This is serious, as 50% of all casualties at seaare linked to navigational mistakes that cause collisions or groundings.
When mariners simply lose a GPS signal, they can fall back on paper charts, radar, and visual navigation.
But if a ship’s GPS signal is spoofed, its captain—and any nearby vessels tracking it via AIS— will be told that the ship is somewhere else entirely.
I get it now. To the White Man's House, Obama and Biden were the blameworthy DEI hires.
Bidens faa appointee could not answer a single question about aviation, but he was a nig so he was qualified.
White male airline pilot. White male chief of helicopter crew. Hmm.. Maybe the woman in the copter distracted both white guys with her boobs. Maybe she was suicidal, grabbed the controls and overpowered both of them.
Or maybe the white male pilot was mentally deranged like Robert Card and Shamsud dim Jabar?
DEI is just one aspect of failure. Not doing your job is another big one.
I mean... we really don't know what happened at this point, so it's premature to say whether someone didn't do their job or anything really.
There are hints reading about this that it must be the helicopter pilot that was to blame, but we really don't know any specific. The woman thing was a joke right?
It was a female pilot, but she had 500 hours stick time. Given the recent history of the US Army, some of that time quite probably was in a non-permissive environment. It's possible things changed under Biden but generally speaking you don't get assigned to a unit like this unless you're at the top of your profession.
I quit flying GA with ~ 150 hours, knowing I was allowed to fly as "current", but not by my decision.
And my instructor had >1,000 hours in a Phantom, landing on carrier decks.
The thing you dei retards don't get is that we also want to shit can the incompetent white guys too
The male Warrant Officer was not flying the helicopter. That's not his job
The woman was in command of the helicopter. A Crew Chief is an enlisted position.
Sometimes, bad shit happens for no real reason.
Like jeffsarc finding reason.
Now that's the truth. But what will the mainstream media do if they can't somehow tie it to a political talking point?
Given that most of our professional press corps is (again) on a holy crusade, they can't help themselves.
I read somewhere else that one person control was "allowed but not optimal".
By evidence of DEI, you mean evidence of an unqualified individual who got a job due to his or her skin color? Why do you need this evidence?
If the priority of an government organization is anything other than doing its job, than its entire operation is compromised and public safety is at risk. It doesn't matter if all their DEI hires technically met the requirement of the job - because by knowingly excluding applicants of certain race or allowing race to be a tie breaking consideration, there's always a possibility that a better candidate will be left out.
FAA employees leaked questions to help black applicants, at a time when air control towers suffered from recruiting shortages. Where do you think they got that kind of agenda? What kind of work culture would encourage that?
Remember the "Sloped roof" Pepsi Woman? DEI. The black lesbian female firefighter who said "your husband is in a wrong place if a female fighter can't carry him out"? DEI. LA obsesses over Trump and identity politics but didn't fill a reservoir, so yes, DEI help burn that town.
Kamala Harris. Pete Buttigieg. Rachel Levine. Kentaji Jackson Brown. All DEI. ALL OF THEM. Every single one of these people were chosen for "representation". And America paid a price for it. When something becomes a pattern, speculations are reasonable.
Denied! You have no evidence that any of the other "appointments" and elected officials in government today are any less incompetent than Kamala, Buttigieg, Rache, or Ketanji !!
I submit the contrast between Holman and Ragsdale.
Air Traffic Control at busy commercial airports is dangerous enough without adding totally unnecessary military practice flights to the mix, especially helos. Military helicopter pilots have a totally different skill set and operating experience from commercial airline pilots, and completely different safety equipment on board. Of course accidents are going to happen even under optimal operating conditions in a modern hi-tech complex world, but there is no need to unnecessarily add to the risk in the way that flying a practice mission across a busy airport does.
This seems to be the underlying problem. I'm not ready to assign blame to any individual but this is clearly the government fucking up as usual. Fewer aircraft = less risk of collision.
I addressed this in the hit n run this AM. The government uses them as their personal chauffers, ergo they need to train in this environment because they're flying in this environment, and there is basically no way to fly from Virginia to DC without crossing a glide path of Reagan (besides the fact they often land VIP at Reagan, or pick them up). If this was a VIP flight instead of a training flight, and the accident happened and it turned out the pilot had never trained for this environment, we'd be screaming about them not having the training. The problem isn't the military, it's the government using military assets as personal chauffers.
Then the obvious solution is to not let the brass use Blackhawks to ferry them around DC! See how simple that was?
I'm really glad Reason did this report.
Both the left & right are already spinning their imaginary tales. Part of the story here is not the crash itself but each side trying to score points off of it. Neither side really gives a damn abou what caused it or even that lives were lost, but instead are thinking "how can we turn this to our advantage?" An article like this, if you believe the one credible source (a former air traffic controller) shows Neither DEI nor under-staffing played any role in the crash. I'd say that's worth reporting.
Bet ya won't hear this on any mainstream news. A crash that is just an accident and has no political agenda isn't "news-worthy" and doesn't fit the narrative.
Good observation--indeed generalizable to practically any event both halves of the looter kleptocracy deem worthy of distorting and lying about for additional capacity to ramp up the rate at which the initiation of coercion kills actual people. It's the definition of power, the rate at which energy is converted into Work, translated into the rate at which politicians can order people mowed down by gunmen.
Ending DEI will lead to lower quality employees. DEI reaches out and opens doors to quality candidates who might otherwise not even know to apply. DEI also helps disabled employees.
You want to know what DEI really is? Go read Hidden Figures, where there was an outreach to black colleges where there were great mathematicians who were being overlooked by everyone else.
Goddamn you are a fucking stupid racist.
DEI is the opposite of racism, it is about welcoming everyone.
Everyone but Whites and Asians.
Fuck off.
According to US Dept of Labor, the largest people groups who benefit from DEI are (in order):
1) White women / Male CEOs
2) Latino/Hispanic Americans
3) Asian Americans
4) Native Americans
5) Disabled Americans
6) Veterans
7) LGBTQ+ alphabets
8) Black Americans
I don't know how we made it to the top of the list, but white women have more DEI opportunities than you can shake a stick at. Groups, committees, government incentives (state & federal), etc.
Oooh. A reliable source!
I've got controlling interest in the north anchorage of a bridge nearby and I'll let it go for a very attractive price!
"DEI is the opposite of racism, it is about welcoming everyone."
You.
Are.
Still.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
DEI is specifically racist, hiring based on skin color and or ethnicity.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
It’s the good racism though!
-Marxist twat
Can we agree that racism exists, and it is wrong, both morally and factually? If we can't agree that then fuck off.
Can we agree that racist beliefs skew hiring practices, and this is bad both for the qualified candidate who gets passed over, and the organisation that winds up with the less qualified candidate?
Can we agree that countering racism in hiring is a good idea?
Can we agree that in order to counter racist hiring, it is necessary to start by modelling racism, partly because if you can't define it you can't measure it or talk about it, and partly because an effective counter to a known bias is an equal and opposite bias?
If you agree with that, then you agree with Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Because that is what it is about.
You are either a dumb cunt or an evil cunt. Points for basic consistency, though.
That or about the political State forcing people to hire Puerto Ricans or Blacks, or bake a cake for gay couples--at gunpoint. This stuff BEGS the MAGA Klan to make it about forcing good Christians to hire naygurs, queers, potheads and other such untermensch--as martyrs nailed to the Swastika that could turn the tables for them. Since 1972 the LP has offered alternatives to deadly altruistic aggression, with success proportional to the number of spoiler votes gotten.
Your truth will fall on deaf ears. DEI is painted as selecting by race or gender when it is not the selection but building a pool of candidates to select from. Hidden Figures is a good example as are the Tuskegee Airmen, or Jackie Robinson. I look at the number of black quarterbacks in the football and remember growing up in a time when no black man would ever be considered for the QB position.
You really don't have a clue. I'm in favor of setting standards. If you meet or exceed the standard then you should have the position. I don't care about your sex, race, religion or any other thing.
However DEI means that if you have an outstanding white male candidate and a mediocre to poor candidate who happens to be part of a "disadvantaged" group you hire the mediocre to poor candidate to show how "woke" you are.
I don't know any of the specifics that lead to this crash. At this time neither does anybody else, so I'm going to wait for more information. With all of the lawyers on here, this subject is actually in my field. I spent ten years working towards being an air crash investigator. I spent three weeks working the US Air Flight 427 crash, before deciding to pursue a different line of work.
This is the straw man version of DEI. Real DEI is about making sure that the outstanding black female candidate who has pulled herself up by her own bootstraps is NOT passed over in favour of the nice white man with the Ivy League degree (legacy admission, fees paid by Daddy).
..quality candidates who might otherwise not even know to apply.
Yeah, I wanna hire that dumbass.
Probably the same kind of people who don’t know how to get an ID.
Remember when Boeing said dei was better then merit?
I'm so glad after that planes didn't crash out of the sky, and they didn't strand astronaught!
Diversity, Equity and Inclusion aren't about hiring the less qualified candidate merely because she's black.
Its about NOT hiring the less qualified candidate merely because he's white.
Everyone says that their hiring practices treat all candidates equally. But in reality its the white men who get treated so much more equally than everyone else. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/the-resume-bias-how-names-and-ethnicity-influence-employment-opportunities
'The helicopter pilot was flying under visual flight rules (meaning the pilot was using their eyes, not their instruments to avoid other aircraft)'
Can an aviation expert check me, but I thought VFR means instrument certification (and aircraft capability) is not required, but certainly may be used.
Don't fire until you see the black of their night vision goggles.
Flying in black and white isn't easy.
Likely using NODs training for night operation transporting VIPs because that's a big part of the squadron's,she was assigned to, mission. Why we need an Army squadron whose mission is chauffeuring around VIPs is an entirely different question.
It's called MARSA. Military Accepts Responsibility for Separation of Aircraft. It means that a military aircraft doesn't have to report it's movements to ATC and isn't under positive control by ATC. With that being said there are certain procedures that still have to be followed. One thing that isn't being mentioned here is the altimeters.
There are two types of altimeters. One uses Barometric Pressure to calculate the aircraft's height above Sea Level. The other is a Radar Altimeter that used radar to calculate the aircraft's height above the ground. There is a difference. When using the Barometric Pressure altimeter the Barometric pressure is entered into the altimeter. Washington DC is pretty close to Sea Level. If the wrong pressure was entered the altimeter could have been reading 200 ft. when the aircraft was actually at 300 ft. At low altitudes the Radar Altimeter sometimes has issues. It reading could fluctuate depending if the aircraft was over water (the Potomac) or land. Both the helicopter and the jet use these altimeters. If there was an error it could have been on either or both aircraft.
"DEI reaches out and opens doors to quality candidates who might otherwise not even know to apply." Yeah, somebody who can't even figure out how to apply for a job probably shouldn't get that job.
As for "Go read Hidden Figures, where there was an outreach to black colleges where there were great mathematicians who were being overlooked by everyone else." Those examples start in the 1930s, and go through the 1960s; the current year is 2025, and the book's environment no longer exists, except in the fevered dreams of sheeple.
Funnily enough, DEI policies at Dartmouth actually decreased the number of minorities accepted. It hurts the very minorities it supposedly was supposed to help. Also, the vast majority of DEI professionals (like far above their percentage of the population) are white and like only 4% are black. That says all you need to know about DEI.
"Gimme a make-work job to justify the stupid amount of money I paid to Harvard for an otherwise useless degree"
They do have one vital mission. They're in charge of evacuating certain individuals in case of a national emergency. Usually the leadership of Congress and those individuals in charge of national security. And since you probably don't want them all in one helo (prob couldn't fit all the designated survivors in one Helo anyhow), they'd probably use the whole squadron. I kind of wonder if they weren't training for something like this, because in that case, especially in the case of a nuclear strike, they would have limited time, so they would be coming in fast and low (don't want to take the time to climb and descend from altitude). I'd kind of wouldn't mind watching those VIPs on the ride out, because it's going to be low, fast and dirty, like only an Army aviator can do (okay maybe the Marines can do it too). So, yes they do have a vital national defense role, and depending on the threat, they may not have time to divert civilian airliners. Flying at low altitude on NODs kind of makes me wonder if they weren't practicing for this. Every pilot for a specialized unit like this are veteran pilots who've spent hundreds of hours of stick time in a line unit. Wouldn't be surprised if there are almost no slick sleeves in this unit.
Sorry, I thought you were replying to my post about a unit for chauffeuring around VIPs).
the leadership of Congress
They're definitely expendable.
Probably not that, to get selected for a unit like this (it's a special assignment) you're an experienced pilot with outstanding marks. We tend to think of them as parade units, but even the 3rd IR, the Old Guard, is a combat ready infantry unit (and did deploy during the GWOT). I'm betting the majority of the pilots in this squadron flew combat missions in Iraq or Afghanistan. Premier units like this in the military tend to be selected for their skills not to check a box (although, it's possible in the past four years the latter has bled into the selection criteria, which would play into the DEI hypothesis).
Try reading https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/the-resume-bias-how-names-and-ethnicity-influence-employment-opportunities and tell me that racist hiring isn't an everyday reality.
There's still a lot we don't know....
But I know for sure it wasn't the things I support!
My observations suggest that all problems at the FAA have been caused by Ronald Reagan's decision to fire all the striking air traffic controllers. There were some valid legal arguments underlying his power to do that, but exercising that power to its fullest extent was a political move intended to impress everybody with his firm grasp on authority.
Trump is simply following suit by trying to politicize the aftermath of the DC air crash. He's trying to do what he always does, which is to deflect any real or imaginary blame from himself to everybody else. The fact is, of course, that the air crash cannot be blamed on Trump. Nothing he did or could have done on Jan. 20th could have caused the crash.
Wait, no, I think he does share some of the responsibility. He could have intervened when eDon Trusk, an un-elected and un-appointed civilian, capped off his beef with the FAA when the agency's Administrator, Michael Whitaker resigned as of Jan. 20th. Had Whitaker stayed on, would the air crash have been prevented? Probably not. But whatever influence Trusk may have had on events at the FAA, it had non-zero effects, and that's a problem.
If Trump wants by fiat to set up a fourth branch of the federal government to represent and accommodate the upper class of shareholders, CEO's, and billionaires, he may very well succeed, and the United States may finally and formally become Amerika, Inc. There will then be no Constitution, and the highest law of the land will be "Thou shalt not get caught. If caught, thou shalt blame anyone other than thyself."
LOL
My observation is that Daddyhill is a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
Yeah, all those guys with 43 years of service are needed desperately
Reagan fired the illegally striking air traffic controllers in 1981 - 44 years ago. Any who were over 21 then would be over 65 now. But Daddyhill thinks they would still be working today if Reagan hadn't fired them, and that the agency has been understaffed ever since.
Daddyhill, you lowered the intelligence of everyone who read your post.
DEI can't be definitively prosecuted as the culprit in the crash any more than climate change. That's why these ideas are difficult to destroy: they are invisible like viruses and CO2
There's the answer! The Dems can come right back and blame Misanthropic Warmunist Sharknados for plane crashes while looking no more idiotic than the Gee Oooh Pee! Now each looter party will need something that is NOT prohibitionist asset-forfeiture looting to blame for stock market crashes, recessions and unemployment. Republicans can keep blaming bad luck while Dems can again blame insufficiently meddlesome coercive regulations.
The problem is lots of people simply take up an oppositional position until proven wrong. DEI gets you worse candidates and outcomes because the pool you're fishing in is, by population, shallow or disinterested without inducement. Climate change is so much smoke and mirrors from leftist language manipulation and bad science.
"The causes of this staffing shortage" are not really "many" - there's one cause. We chose to make that a government function. If we privatized air traffic control (as many other countries have done successfully and as many have repeatedly proposed for the US), market incentives would solve this 'staffing shortage' in short order.
Yes, government decisions contributed to this disaster - but the single biggest mistake was to give this responsibility to government in the first place.
Congress keeps ordering troops, Socom, DEA, CIA and P.I.G.S. to invade Grenada, Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru... setting up puppet governments till the natives would gladly pay to watch planes blow up in the US. So instead of leaving them alone to repeal prohibition and prosper, they ramp up national socialism, Transport Sozialist Arbeiter cavity searches and long lines at airports, huge prisons to hold dealers and NOT violent traitors. So Congress figures the national Socialist Staat HAS to keep meddling. That's logic.
What's with the "they/their", the Captain in control of the aircraft has been confirmed as a "she/her". Is there a DEI quota for split tail chopper pilots?
I wouldn't go there. I'm a former Navy helicopter crewman (82-87). Some of the best pilots that I have flown with are women. I do agree that some get promoted beyond their capabilities due to political reasons, but we do NOT yet know if this is the case here.
Thank goodness we all elected to have an FAA so both pilots would have to check with the 'Guns' before moving out of the way. /s
YOu just won't even make the connection with Buttigieg so I will skip any detailed reply. We know the crashes are terrible and we know he was terrible.That is enough for me. Were those complaints about military aircraft made under PB , you seem to imply they were. HE THEN IS RESPONSIBLE
This reminds me of my college students' papers. Are you admitting they were understaffed, because if they were not understaffed then that can't be a cause !!!!! A poorly phrased headline.
It is logically on a par with "dancing bears probalby not the cause of.." which implies there were dancing bears , which destroys your case ab initio since 'dancing bears' and "understaffed" are both bad things for air traffic control. Any English teachers on here.
I am hearing the helicopter was at over 300 feet when it is only allowed up to 200 feet in that area.
So, *if* that is true, and it *wasn't* a DEI hire, *why* was the pilot error *in the US military* more than 50% in this case? Because that seems like a rather spectacular screw-up.
Flying off visuals and confirmed that they saw the plane. I assume that it is a standard for the helicopter to change trajectory since it is more maneuverable. How does the tower not tell them to change altitude and how doesn't the helicopter pilot change course regardless of orders?
"Hiring practices of last 20 years or so unlikely to have any effect on the present."
Um, ok ...
Like the 1000 white guys they don’t hire 6 years ago.
Totally unrelated. But it’s Reagan’s fault…
Now that it's becoming a daily thing, howcum these non-Aryan non-MAGAt hires waited till the Don started loosing violent girl-bulliers, vandals and traitors (plus one much-maligned trader as a smokescreen) before crashing planes into stuff? Surely Bernie, Pocahontas and AOC have confessed, no?
Somehow, since the inauguration, every time I read Reason, I hear the lyrics from 'Stop the Word, I Want to Get Off' running through my mind.
The entire HnR with the Zizians made me feel that way. And not just the Zizians either. The Kelsey Piper post and the 3 yr. old with cavities Tweet too. Like some weird alien planet where the female wannabes, fembots, and neurotic women are all waging a passive-aggressive war against each other for reasons that makes the motivations of WWI seem straightforward and obvious.
The Times article referenced in this piece stated that, per policy, there were supposed to be separate controllers for helicopters and planes on that day until 9:30 PM. It further claimed that one of them was released early and left before the accident, but no reason was given.
If this is true, then the claim that the tower was understaffed would also be true.
I'm struggling to understand how someone working the flight path of 2 things puts them on the same trajectory. That the same person directed the plane and helicopter makes it worse.
I’m an airline pilot not a controller - but I find it discomforting, to put it mildly, the number of controllers working that complex of airspace. What if my flight had an abnormal or an emergency and I needed more ATC assistance? The what ifs could go on. The proof is in the pudding….did DCA tower and perhaps approach control have their airspace under positive control? No.
In 2018 Tucker Carlson did a segment with a professional air traffic controller and trainer of ATC staff. The "biographical questionnaire" was appalling: you got 10 points if science was your worst subject in school, 10 points if you had been unemployed for the past three years, and only 2 points if you were a licensed pilot. The question remains: what replaced it, and was it just a repackaging of the same efforts to induct poorly qualified people? The failure rate for ATC training of 30% to 40% suggests that is still the case. And with such a high failure rate, you'll never fill the 3,000 available positions.
Oh, my, gosh!
2 days ago — The Federal Aviation Administration turned away 1,000 air traffic controller applicants due to its DEI policies despite a staff shortage, according to a lawsuit
"Unless they have an extremely abnormal operation, I would shoot down the idea that there should have two controllers talking to each airplane," says one current air traffic controller who spoke anonymously to Reason. "I would bet a million dollars that's not the case."
Meaning you just made that up.
Seriously. Get these guys on record, or don't bother. America doesn't want to hear from "anonymous sources said" any more. REAL reporters get the benefit of utilizing anonymous sources - because the journalist has earned a reputation of objectivity and trustworthiness and investigative integrity. Clickbait narrative peddlers like yourselves have not. And never will.
Your age of LOL jOuRnaLiSm is over, Reason. Any "anonymous sources" (even if you piggybacking, since it's almost always from Fake News) article you post is guaranteed to 100% bullshit you just made up out of whole cloth. You haven't earned the right to anonymous sources. And you indicate not even the slightest effort to even want to try.
Yeah. TDS addled steaming piles of shit got a $5 donation this year, kinda like leaving a nickel tip in a restaurant.
Welsh, you need to get fired, stat! Now. You have no claim of 'libertarian'; you are a fucking lefty swamp critter who needs to fuck off and die.
Not to late to take down this laughably uninformed article from REASON
"2 days ago — The Federal Aviation Administration turned away 1,000 air traffic controller applicants due to its DEI policies despite a staff shortage, according to a lawsuit"
You are just embarrassing yourselves greatly
Please stop
It is obvious this latest tragedy has nothing to do with whoever was in the control tower.
The ADSB data shows an erratic climb rate and eventually the crash. It also appears there was no stall involved, not yet confirmed.
Something happened to that flight that the NTSB will have to try and piece things together.
For further info check out Juan Brown's Blancolirio channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_bLhBMngY
Juan Brown is a commercial pilot who flies triple 7s for a major airline.
His latest report covered most of the issues. Helo over 200ft, both pilots on NODS, two different freqs...so the Helo and RJ could not talk to each other, etc.
Accidents like this are usually the result of many errors that stack up to produce the incident (e.g., the Swiss cheese model)
Thank you for that link. That was a great explanation of the details leading up to both the crash of the Lear Jet 55 Medivac crash and the helicopter crash.
Proving DEI was "the cause" of anything is pretty difficult, so this article is correct to question that logic as the cause. However DEI policy outcomes weren't only present in the control tower, DEI was in the military helicopter cock-pit too. Why was the entire social media footprint of the deceased female pilot scrubbed as reported by other outlets?
DEI may have been a factor, but at this point we really don't know.
Although Trump didn't put it as elegantly as one would like, he was actually factually correct assuming that you actually listen to the entire conversation.
I'm not a Trump voter an don't even like him, but I dislike the TDS crowd even more. The fact is that Trump is a plain spoken blunt speaker and does not nuance a conversation with the typical say-nothing BS. As a result he ruffles the feathers of people who automatically assume the very worst and fail to actually listen and comprehend what he is trying to say.
Two points:
First: there is no reason for military helicopters to be flying under the landing zone of a major airport. It's an unacceptable risk, for what benefit?
Second: video showed the helicopter flying directly at the clearly visible plane, leading some to believe it was intentional (as in a suicide or suicide terrorist attack), or that the helicopter was being flown remotely (as in a nefarious plot).
It would seem more farfetched if such a feature hadn't been tested just last year:
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/2024/command-an-autonomous-black-hawk-helicopter-from-300-miles-away.html
I cannot even with you people.
And not just you at Reason. But on Earth.
I can only imagine what it would be like to relive the Challenger explosion in 2025. And that was not really that long ago. But we treated it so different. Maybe some have more of a frame of reference for 9/11, but I compare it with the Challenger on purpose.
Because it was just a bad thing that happened. As things sometimes do.
Yea, they finally figured out the nitty gritty technological reason why it happened, but we didn't really need it for a sense of closure. It was tragic, but we were a society that understood inexplicable tragedy back then, and how to cope with it united instead of divisive.
There was no screaming on one side of the aisle to blame DEI hires or bureaucratic bloat. There was no screaming on the other to tie it from anything from climate change to institutional racism to some kind of evil Jew scheme. Bad things happened, and we didn't immediately exploit them to grind our axes.
We didn't get mad at NASA and immediately wonder who was on the take and was cutting corners, or go searching for some nefarious mustache-twirling government subcontractor we could blame for lining their pockets. We didn't contrive reasons to use politicians as handy whipping boys because we just plain don't like them.
We all just shared a common - American - sense of shock and horror and loss. Some of you are too young, but some remember having watched it on live television. Others might remember the school assembly that every school in America had the next day. I regret that I don't immediately remember her name, but anyone who experienced it remembers there was a schoolteacher on board.
Others might remember the after-the-fact somber newscasts as they celebrated the lives of the victims. What a stark difference those newscasts are today, as they crank up the emotionalism and the conspiracy theories and the partisanship up to 11+1 desperate for those precious views and clicks and likes.
The loss, the lives - that's what mattered. Not who could rush to the television and the internet the fastest with their hottest of hot takes, conspiracy theories, partisan blame assignment, or Monday morning quarterbacking of how they could and would have prevented it.
It's stupid. It's stupid and cruel and mean-spirited. This nation tragically and inexplicably lost 67 fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, grandparents, grandchildren, husbands, wives, co-workers, friends, neighbors, or just the random stranger that gave you a smile in the grocery line one day.
Perspective, folks.
But I get it. I understand the response. The urge to blame is ultimately a screaming need to reassert a sense of control and knowing. I also get why that need is suddenly so much more in demand today than it was 40 years ago, when the Challenger exploded. (But most folks don't want to hear it.)
I don't know. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic and wistful. I just know that I liked the decade where we learned the names of the victims of a tragedy a whole lot better than the decade where we were immediately shrieked at by politicians and pundits and media and SJW's and armchair activists about who we're supposed to blame for whatever happened to [whoever, it doesn't matter, we're just exploiting their death for our own self-glorification anyway].
NGL, I have followed very little coverage of this tragic accident. Because I can't friggin stand listening to them about it. It's sickening in its brazen refusal to talk about anything and everything on the subject, except that which actually matters.