Meet Trump's Incredibly Confusing New National Security Cabinet
Establishment hawks will be running the State Department and National Security Council, but Trump has peppered in some antiestablishment mavericks too.

If President-elect Donald Trump gets his way, his National Security Council will be a very lively place to be. Michael Waltz, who would be chairing the council as National Security Adviser, has declared that there is "no peaceful solution in Syria as long as [Bashar] Assad is in power," because Assad has "been gassing his own people for years." But Tulsi Gabbard, who would be sitting in the meetings as Director of National Intelligence, has met the Syrian ruler in person, arguing that "Assad is not the enemy of the United States, because Syria does not pose a direct threat to the United States."
That's just one of the intense contradictions on display in the incoming second Trump administration's foreign policy staff. Trump has flirted with both extremely hawkish and extremely dovish positions. And his staffing is similarly all over the place.
Many of Trump's nominees are conventional war hawks. His secretary of state nominee, Marco Rubio, is open to regime change wars in Latin America. Brian Hook, running the State Department transition, is obsessed with regime change in the Middle East. Elise Stefanik, nominated as ambassador to the United Nations, and John Ratcliffe, nominated to run the CIA, also want more intervention there. Waltz, perhaps the most radical of them all, is on record supporting U.S. boots on the ground in Ukraine and a reinvasion of Afghanistan.
But on Wednesday, Trump nominated some surprising antiestablishment figures: Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.) for attorney general and former Rep. Gabbard (D–Hawaii) for director of national intelligence, which oversees the U.S. government's 18 intelligence agencies. Gaetz has pushed to restrain the President's war powers under both Democratic and Republican administrations. Gabbard is an outspoken opponent of U.S. regime change efforts—both through military force and economic sanctions—in the Middle East. In 2018, when Trump was considering attacking Iran in defense of Saudi oil fields, Gabbard urged him not to be "Saudi Arabia's bitch."
Gaetz and Gabbard are both going to face a hard Senate confirmation battle. Several Republican senators have come out as skeptics of Gaetz for reasons unrelated to foreign policy; he's been investigated for sexual misconduct and sparked a Republican civil war over his successful effort to overthrow former Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy. Gabbard, meanwhile, has gone further than most other foreign policy critics would. It's one thing to say that Assad is not a threat to America and another to meet him in person.
At first glance, Trump's pick for secretary of defense, Pete Hegseth, is another dyed-in-the-wool neocon. He came up in politics as a leader in Vets for Freedom, a veterans' organization that wanted to keep the Iraq War going. At a rally for John McCain during the 2008 presidential elections, Hegseth praised McCain for being "willing to stick his neck out for an unpopular war" and argued that "Iraq is the central battlefront in a larger battle against radical Islam."
And when Trump ordered the assassination of an Iranian general in 2020, Hegseth was cheering for a full-on war with Iran. "None of this changes the calculation of this regime, which is an evil regime," he fumed on Fox News, arguing that the United States needs to attack Iran's nuclear sites, military headquarters, and industrial infrastructure. "We can't kick the can down the road any longer," Hegseth warned.
But more recently, Hegseth claimed that his views have changed.
Leaving Saddam Hussein in power was perhaps "a better idea than overturning the whole apple cart and welcoming Iran into Iraq," Hegseth said in a November 7 interview with the Shawn Ryan Show. "I heard people making those arguments, which I didn't like, people I didn't like. I just had to dismiss them at the time because I was a believer in the mission that was in front of us at the time, but in retrospect, we have burned two decades of money, our best and brightest, our good will, military capabilities, strategic drift in Afghanistan and Iraq."
Then again, it's easier to agree that the last war was a mistake than to oppose the next one. (Just ask Democrats.) Like others in the "peace through strength" camp, Hegseth has no problem arguing that it's just different this time. "I understand [attacking Iran is] not a popular idea. I don't want boots on the ground. I don't want endless war. I don't want occupation. But Iran has been in an endless war with us for 40 years," Hegseth claimed during his 2020 interview with Fox News.
Gaetz and Gabbard, by the way, have also carved out their own loopholes in the Middle East. Gabbard, who told The Intercept in 2018 that she supported "very limited" counterterrorism campaigns, has come out in full-throated support of Israel's war in the Palestinian territories, accusing American antiwar protesters of being "puppets" of a "radical Islamist organization." And Gaetz has backed President Joe Biden's deployment of U.S. combat troops to Israel, telling Reason that because "our troops are already there," the new deployment is simply a matter of "force protection."
One more figure has emerged as a potential foreign policy dark horse. Billionaire businessman Elon Musk, who Trump has brought into the White House as an adviser on government efficiency, secretly met with an Iranian diplomat on Monday, according to The New York Times. The Iranian side told the Times that it was a "positive" meeting on how to reduce tensions in the Middle East. That's not unprecedented; the Obama administration's own diplomacy with Iran started through an Omani businessman who wanted to try an "out-of-the-box approach" to preventing war.
It's possible that Trump's more hawkish advisers—and the rivalries between them—strangle this diplomacy in the cradle, as they did during the first Trump administration. Former National Security Adviser John Bolton aggressively sabotaged Trump's efforts to prevent a war with North Korea. Meanwhile, Hook at the State Department nearly derailed a Bolton-backed hostage exchange with Iran.
The eclectic voices in the new administration might be more successful at winning Trump's ear. Personnel is policy, as they say, and the policy so far is quite confusing.
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Trump explained his game plan but reading tweets from NYT editorialists doesn’t grant that knowledge.
How many of these libertarian defenses of keeping government in the hands of those acceptable to the deep state do we need?
Didn't you push the abolish articles less than 2 days ago?
The only way we can make things better is to keep doing the same things with the same people!
Reason would support bringing back Matt Millen to be the Lions GM.
Imagine how many 1st round WR they would have now. Try stopping a 1 qb 10 WR set. Dare you.
Free Minds. Free Markets. More Wide Receivers.
But do the 10 WRs know how to "run a mean pick 6"?
Ha. LOLed
Look at the Lions now, unburdened by what has been.
One would be lion if they said that the team would be where they are now if they kept doing the same thing with the same people.
Up until this season I would have said, what difference, at this point, does it make?
But now I’m thinking yes, we can.
Is it possible for REASON to find at least one 'editor' who isn't a steaming pile of TDS-addled shit?
This is REALLY tiresome.
Patti really was subtraction by addition here. He is somehow worse than everyone else on staff. It’s amazing
What, you'd prefer an echo chamber? Which one?
This is the most hopeful sign yet of potentially making some real progress, if he can get such disparate views talking together.
What, you’d prefer an echo chamber?
Funny thing is, this is the insane, ossified, racist, anti-diversity BS that was eating away at the DNC in 2020. Like Petti voluntarily signed up for a CRT re-education camp. Even further, they're effectively criticizing him for not enforcing the insane ideological purity they expected him to enforce.
The idea that a CEO would sit down with all of his interviewees and make sure they’re all 100.00% ideologically aligned with him and/or each other on any and all issues before (not) hiring them is actually kinda insane, but that's what they were worried about. And now that it's actually a diverse and conflicted set, that's a problem.
Yes? What's the problem?
1. It's not Israel's war; it's jointly owned by Hamas, who started it and could end it by returning the hostages and stop launching rockets and terror raids.
2. "Queers for Palestine" is so objectively a Monty Python parody that anyone who actually takes them seriously is a full-on loon. Puppet is too kind a word for them.
I'm sure half of them will be fired before he's been in office for six months.
Another prediction certain to be as accurate as all the others!
Another prediction found on leftist Twitter and MSNBC.
He is still also comparing Trump to Hitler.
Sarc is a sad broken man.
So many ideas™ !
It's not confusing, your a retard
+1 "I'm confused. Trump isn't enforcing the racist and single-minded purist norms I was taught to expect from him in the CRT struggle sessions that I paid for."
So this is the confused, unhinged reaction when a leftist is confronted with a diversity of opinion. Good to know Teason's resident Iranian regime and global terrorist cheerleader is consistent in always disappointing.
'That's just one of the intense contradictions on display in the incoming second Trump administration's foreign policy staff. Trump has flirted with both extremely hawkish and extremely dovish positions. And his staffing is similarly all over the place.'
So, openly internal disagreement in our government, especially the executive branch, is a bad thing? Matt, how establishmentarian are you?
There's something very "If you're catching flak, you're over the target."/"Better to have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me." in Petti's criticism.
Seems to me that Trump's overriding goal is the same as it always was. It is to end armed conflict to the extent possible. Getting there will require multiple deals with multiple parties. There will be carrots and sticks. There will be good cops and bad cops. There will be tariffs and sanctions. There will be trade deals and handshakes on the tarmac. Trump told Rogan that he kept Bolton around because he was a useful nutjob. Maybe if Petti tried to grasp Trump's obvious strategy he wouldn't be so confused.
It is to end armed conflict to the extent possible
His goal is to advance American interests. He wasn't shy about armed conflict when he was in office last time. It's just that quick, decisive action has an impact that impotently posturing about red lines and the EU consensus doesn't.
I bet if you killed off all practitioners of sharia law there will be less terrorism
You could also read this as a consistent "speak softy and carry a big stick" style diplomacy.
Reason wants to scream about nationalism and isolationism while also pretending to be anti-war. I'll take a government more concerned about serving its constituents than one directed by Chinese trade policies and European social policy.
Many of Trump's nominees are conventional war hawks.
Try to remember that the world was more or less doing OK in terms of global conflicts during his first term. Now, after four years of Biden's shadow government - Russia and Ukraine are trading blows, China is menacing Taiwan, the Middle East is red hot again, Haiti collapsed, and God knows what the Norks are up to.
So, he's probably feeling a little frustrated at having to start at ground zero to clean up the Democrat's foreign policy mess yet again, especially now that America's mortal enemies are emboldened and financed.
He laid it out with Bolton.
If you walk in to meet Assad with Waltz, Assad thinks "Holy Shit he's going to war!", if you walk in with Gabbard he thinks "They aren't going to do anything to me."
It's like Reason has never negotiated anything or even seen or heard of, e.g., the good cop/bad cop routine.
Beat me to it. And I admire your brevity.
Mad, you are too good for this place. Reading the code in the matrix like you have done.
I like how the conversation has pivoted from 2016’s “Oh Em Gee, we’re all going to be sent to camps– the dark night of fascism is upon us!” to 2024, “These people are incompetent and lack experience!”
So, which is it there, young fellers of Reason, is he only concerned with hiring loyalists, or is he all over the place?
It will be George W Bush’s third term. You got your war hawks, Big Government spending, tax cuts, huge deficit growth, and amateurs in all the cabinet positions. Rumor is that Kid Rock will be nominated at Treasury.
Trump loyalty is the only requirement this time.
Didn't you get embarrassed just yesterday with this talking point?
ML gave you the anti Trump bush list that sided with Kamala.
Well, turd is a lying pile of shit. With a heapin' helping of STUPID!
Biden didn’t start any wars, you moron. And no, you’re not pinning the Hamas-Israel conflict on him. I know your dishonest tactics.
Until we roll 150,000 ground troops into a country and attack it isn’t our war.
And to show I am honest I don’t even count Donnie’s record high drone attacks as a new war.
Nice non sequitur.
What does that have to do with your comment or mine?
You're flailing pretty badly. You're entire political ethos collapsed last week.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Go drink some fucking Lysol like Donnie told you to do, Sevo.
Wow, I thought after I totally burned you to the ground by pointing out that the Bush neocons were 142% strident Democrat boosters and many are working for the Biden admin, you kind of backed off that whole Bushpig thing. But I guess short memories abound.
I don’t give a fuck who the neocons supported. Biden didn’t start a new war. In fact he got us out of one.
‘‘Twas a bit sloppy though.
Why did Biden blame Trump for forcing him to leave then?
Why did Biden first vote to go in to Iraq and Afghanistan, even championed this, then spent 8 years as co-manager to Afghanistan? When Trump negotiated the exit from Afghanistan, Biden fucked that up as Obama had predicted, unilaterally extending the timeline to dire consequences.
Biden fomented the proxy war in Ukraine, along with since deposed BoJo, and has kept funneling money into that disaster. His bitch boy Blinken just said to throw more money into that pit.
You are a pedophilic clown.
I don't understand your comment. Why would you, a Bushpig, be upset about Trump's 2nd term being a continuation of the Bushpigs' rule?
*Trump's 2nd term is not going to be more Bushpig-erism, but why would the prospect of it upset you when you support Bushpigs?
>>That's just one of the intense contradictions on display in the incoming second Trump administration's foreign policy staff.
oh no! intense contradictions in an advisory board. to the couches!
If President-elect Donald Trump gets his way, his National Security Council will be a very lively place to be. Michael Waltz, who would be chairing the council as National Security Adviser, has declared that there is "no peaceful solution in Syria as long as [Bashar] Assad is in power," because Assad has "been gassing his own people for years." But Tulsi Gabbard, who would be sitting in the meetings as Director of National Intelligence, has met the Syrian ruler in person, arguing that "Assad is not the enemy of the United States, because Syria does not pose a direct threat to the United States."
You seem to believe these statements are contradictory, but why? Because it implies that one wants to go to war in/for Syria, and the other doesn't? But, neither of those statements implies such a thing. If there is further context/proof of such a reading of those statements, it would have been better to provide those statements instead.
"There is no peaceful solution in Syria" and "Syria isn't a threat to the US" are just banal facts. There's no inherent contradiction to them.
Correct. You might be able to infer further sentiments, but more proof is required to back up his claim. There's a lot more assertion here than anything resembling facts connected together with reason.
I'm not even a little bit confused by his cabinet picks. If I were in charge of a large, important organization, I would load my advisory board with a wide range of opinions and expertise. The whole point is to hear ALL of the options, weigh the relative merits, risks and potential for success of those options, and then make a decision. I don't know if Trump will do that, but no matter how offensive he is and how much I disagree with his positions, the man isn't stupid.
I’m surprised he just doesn’t scream xenophobic racist at everyone. Isn’t that your go to argument?
Donnie isn’t doing that. He is just hiring his bootlickers. Like Jesse x 50.
His secretary of state nominee, Marco Rubio, is open to regime change wars in Latin America.
Regime change in Cuba, Haiti, and Venezuela doesn’t sound so bad, and is a lot more defensible philosophically than wars in Asia, Europe or the Middle East. (Monroe Doctrine, next door neighbors, etc.)
Gabbard, meanwhile, has gone further than most other foreign policy critics would. It’s one thing to say that Assad is not a threat to America and another to meet him in person.
If a foreign leader is not a threat, why not meet with them? Find out how to make them less belligerent, if possible.
Regime change is fine Obama style.
Sling a projectile into a tyrant head and leave immediately.
#ObamaForeignPolicytheBest
Regime change in Cuba, Haiti, and Venezuela doesn’t sound so bad
Mexico should be our priority.
"Gabbard, meanwhile, has gone further than most other foreign policy critics would. It's one thing to say that Assad is not a threat to America and another to meet him in person."
Like Pelosi did? https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna17920536
Any Democrat who attacks Tulsi for meeting Assad should have that thrown in their face.
So who would be on the Libertarian "Dream Team" of Cabinet or Advisor appointments?