If You're Worried About Fascism, Worry About War
The most serious danger is the one that historically allowed dictators to take power.

There's another controversy about whether former President Donald Trump praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in private. In a New York Times interview published Tuesday, former White House Chief of Staff John Kelley claimed that Trump said, "Hitler did some good things." The same day, The Atlantic reported that Trump said, "I need the kind of generals that Hitler had," citing anonymous sources. Trump's campaign has denied both reports. These allegations, which have come up before, fit a liberal argument that Trump is a dangerous would-be dictator in the making.
Whether or not the specific reports are true, the discussion often misses an important historical fact. A large part of the Nazi political program was about revenge for losing a past war. Germany and its allies not only turned their guns on their own people, but focused heavily on military glory through conquest. Anyone concerned with the danger of fascism today has to understand the role that militarism played back then.
Hitler was not able to seize control simply because he was skilled at riling up mobs. The Nazi movement took root in soil poisoned by the economic collapse and political chaos caused by losing World War I. Most people understand that Hitler overthrew the weak and chaotic Weimar Republic, but many do not know how that chaos was directly related to the war.
World War I ended for Germany in 1918 with a revolution and counterrevolution. After it became clear that the war was hopeless, the country suffered a mutiny by sailors who didn't want to fight anymore, which turned into a nationwide uprising, forcing the German emperor to step down. As the new German republic tried to hash out peace terms, the far left and far right armed themselves to fight over the future of the country.
For all the warnings about "Weimar America," the violence between far left and far right that America has faced in recent years was nothing close to what Germany witnessed in those days. Communists poured into Berlin, trying to take the capital at gunpoint, only to be beaten back by right-wing Freikorps militia, which executed communist leader Rosa Luxemburg in broad daylight. The sight of Germans killing Germans while the enemy was at the gates created years of bitterness.
That experience gave rise to the Dolchstosslegende, the infamous "stab-in-the-back myth." German military brass testified after the war that they could have won if only they had not been betrayed by the political class. That myth became a specifically antisemitic conspiracy theory. A key moment was the assassination of Foreign Minister Walther Rathenau—who was Jewish—after he signed a deal with the Soviet Union in 1922. Nationalists believed that Rathenau, who wanted Soviet support to rebuild the German army, was really trying to sell out the country again.
Hitler, a wounded veteran who became a police informant, witnessed these events while trying to infiltrate a small nationalist party that would later be called the Nazis. He realized that he actually agreed with their conspiratorial racism—and quickly became their leader.
Even the Nazis' genocidal ideology was hard to separate from their wartime experience. Hitler was driven by a specific fixation with securing Germany's food supplies, argues Columbia University historian Adam Tooze in The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy. Since Germany's reliance on imports had allowed the Allies to starve out the country during World War I, the Nazi regime became obsessed with both expanding Germany's borders and removing the so-called "useless eaters" within them.
Hitler's partner in crime, Italian ruler Benito Mussolini, was similarly bitter about World War I. Even though Italy had been on the winning Allied side, Italian nationalists did not win all of their demands at the end of the war, so they complained about a vittoria mutilata, a "mutilated victory." The failure to take all of the land that Italy wanted, they felt, meant that the sacrifices of Italian soldiers were in vain. Mussolini, who started his political career as a pro-war journalist, rose to power leading a veterans' movement that promised to finish the job.
Fascism isn't just a matter of someone wanting to be dictator. The conditions have to be in place for them to take power. Hitler and Mussolini came up in societies that had gone to war, were shocked by the outcome, and wanted to try again. Of course, not all societies at war go fascist. But all societies that go fascist have a heavily militarist element. More than anything else, war is what increases the danger of dictatorship.
Just as fighting "small wars" in the colonies had made Europeans overconfident going into World War I, the "forever wars" against militias and failed states in the Middle East have left Americans unprepared for what a peer-on-peer conflict would look like, and convinced that winning is just a matter of wanting it badly enough. While the public was rightfully shocked by 13 American deaths during the withdrawal from Afghanistan, military planners are forecasting 3,200 Americans killed in the first three weeks of a potential war with China.
Dr. Jeremy Freeman, who has been working on wartime medical planning for the U.S. government, recently gave an interview about the dark scenario that the United States is looking at. He is aiming to prepare for 1,000 daily casualties (both injured and killed) in combat, along with possible attacks on American soil. Along with the mass suffering, it would be a terrifying, sudden intrusion of foreign policy into everyday American life.
Private ambulances may be commandeered to help transport the planeloads of wounded Americans coming into the homeland, along with other "creative" options, Freeman implies. With doctors stretched thin, lower-ranking medical staff could be put in charge of procedures "that they otherwise would not be licensed to do," he speculates. In an effort to keep information on American casualties out of enemy hands, basic information about the number and types of patients in civilian hospitals might become classified.
Even the nervous online jokes about getting drafted to fight in World War III don't really imagine what a prolonged war of attrition looks like. Everyone likes to laugh about Generation Z storming Chinese and Russian cities in some final battle. It's less funny to imagine American citizens fighting for bomb shelter space, getting snatched off the streets by press gangs, losing access to basic goods and services, and fretting for prisoners of war in enemy hands.
No one really knows what that level of chaos and trauma would unleash in American politics. Again, although there isn't a one-to-one relationship between war and dictatorship, military conflict creates the conditions that make dictatorship possible. Those who are worried about the reemergence of fascism should take war—and how to prevent it—seriously.
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Biden-Harris currently shoveling tens of billions of dollars to a nazi adjacent dictator in Kiev.
Harris campaign supported by much of the W Bush regime including former VP Cheney.
Remember those four years of no new wars? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I think Petti was one of two Reason staffers who would consider voting for Trump. I voted for Trump yesterday primarily because of foreign policy. The war party became fully entrenched under Biden as many of us predicted. Harris not only promises to continue their endless wars she is openly campaigning with neocons like Cheney. The author describes a war with China but in all likelihood the Harris war will be fought on multiple fronts including Russia, Iran and North Korea. It doesn't take a fascist dictator to start WW3, Kamala is fully capable. I'll take my chances with the guy who talks about ending wars.
I think Petti was one of two Reason staffers who would consider voting for Trump.
He didn't answer.
https://reason.com/2024/10/17/how-are-reason-staffers-voting-in-2024/
That of course means he's voting for Harris just like the rest of the staff. Sure most of them said they'd vote for Chase, but the articles they write are all full of TDS which means they're Democrats. Ask anyone.
But you're not going to vote Harris, right? You'll be writing in Biden again. Won't you.
Sarc can't vote for Chase because he's gay, he told us that that is something only a left wing activist would do.
I thought he was going to vote for trump if they put Harris on the ballot.
Oh, I wish I would have saved that. One day I'll have to cook some time looking for that.
He didn’t just talk about it, he contracted the end of one that Bush-Cheney-Clinton-McCain-Biden all goose stepped into. And didn’t start any new ones. That is a yuge data point.
"And didn’t start any new ones. That is a yuge data point."
Trump didn't end any old ones, either. That's the salient point, given that we're already involved in at least two at the moment.
misconstrueman...The Abraham Accords formally changed the diplomatic and military status of four separate countries with Israel, a peace accord that has endured through a very troubled time (the last year).
"a peace accord that has endured through a very troubled time (the last year)."
Israel wasn't at war with the signatories. Israel's beef is with the Palestinians, the Shia of Lebanon, and Iran, none of which were even remotely involved with Trump's sham peace deal.
Kamala is not capable of starting a war but her administration is quite so. Her administration being that of the previous one and the same as under Bathhouse Barry.
Harris is incapable of making any sort of serious decision on her own.
"It doesn’t take a fascist dictator to start WW3, Kamala is fully capable."
So is Putin, Xi, Kim and the guy from Iran. In fact they've already started. You think Trump is going to left behind for long?
Anyone concerned about war should vote for Trump, with a Republican down ballot.
Tucille and Liz Wolfe were the maybe-Trumpers.
And I think that's the best reason to vote for Trump. The Democrat establishment is now officially the party of the MIC, eternal war, censorship/information control. I feel like this should be a much more central issue in this election. The whole fucking W Bush admin and republican neo-cons are supporting Harris. It's so weird to talk to people who still think Trump is the one who's going to start WW3.
"It’s so weird to talk to people who still think Trump is the one who’s going to start WW3."
It's already started. Trump's problem is not starting wars, he's already shown us he's piss poor at ending them. He kept up the war in Afghanistan despite promises to withdraw, US troops remained in the Middle East and Africa all through his term. He cajoled allies into spending more resources on war preparations. The list of economic sanctions only grew under Trump. If he'd shown a fraction of the commitment to peace China has shown hosting a meeting between Saudi and Iran, you may have a point.
I think Trump's anti-war instincts are real and sincere, but paper thin and no match for the resolve of the war mongering cabinet members he chooses to surround himself with.
And Harris has anything to say about ending wars?
She was the "last person in the room" when SloJo sent billions to Iran and allowed them to sell oil for tens of billions more. Those dollars are killing Israelis and Americans. She was the 'last person in the room' when SloJo decided on a whim to precipitiously pull out of Afghanistan without a plan, condemning 13 Americans to death. She was the last person in the room when SloJo supported NATO expansion and didn't pre-arm Ukraine. A trilogy of weakness.
Recall that when Trump dropped the MOAB he was lauded as finally being Presidential even by many in the MSM. This action froze Putin in place since he could see that Trump was unpredictable (strategic ambiguity, just as he promised). And taking out Soleimani put the mullahs on notice that he could target them individually, so they shrank back into their mosques.
He prevented the two wars that began because SloJo and Kamaltoe were just plain stupid.
"And Harris has anything to say about ending wars?
Nothing. She's no better than Trump or Biden. That's why this election is such a farce. Whoever you vote for, you're going to get more war.
"He prevented the two wars that began because SloJo and Kamaltoe were just plain stupid."
You seem to think Trump has some super powers and intelligence, and that Russia, Hamas, Iran and China all do his bidding. It's delusional.
Dude the real fear is Cultural Marxism with a dose of Trotsky. Just call the real threat Bolshevikism which the media will hate because it accuretly describes them or their ancestors in many cases..most corporate media big wigs were red diaper babies...
Bolsheviks are the threat...call the bastards out...that is who they are..degenerate Bolsheviks...
No, if you're worried about fascism stop pushing for more state control of society and the economy.
Doesn't have to be war either. Terrorist attacks will help get you there.
Or a cough due to cold.
So to prevent that you need to support the candidate who is running around the country with Liz Cheney.
But she says she'll legalize the weed so the nuclear fallout will be practically painless.
Don't forget open borders and ass sex. No wonder a majority of Reason staff will actually vote for Harris, despite what they tell us.
I was shocked that any of them were voting for Harris after the last disastrous four years of Harris.
I wasn’t.
No wonder a majority of Reason staff will actually vote for Harris, despite what they tell us.
Yup. No one writes that many mean things about Trump without supporting Democrats. So what if they also wrote lots of articles critical of Democrats? Those articles really don't exist because they contradict the narrative. That means all the articles are mean to Trump, which proves that they all plan to vote for Harris.
Ideas ™ !
Remember when you posted the “this article doesn’t exist” strawman directly under a series of posts where people were acknowledging Boehm wrote a strong article?
We already know Kamala is all in for open borders and ass sex.
Pretty sure Harris is going to be handed her hat in not too long, so we can ignore any US dictator.
It's less funny to imagine American citizens fighting for bomb shelter space, getting snatched off the streets by press gangs, losing access to basic goods and services, and fretting for prisoners of war in enemy hands.
This fate mostly falls to urbanites. Us bumpkins will have to worry about the urban migration looking for food and water.
You mean having enough farmland in need of fertilizer?
These are the Bush administration members involved in starting the Iraq war who have publicly supported Harris and publicly oppose Trump.
These are the guys saying that Trump, who opposes war and even negotiated with the Taliban and North Korea, is Hitler.
Commander of the Multi-National Force–West in Iraq John Kelly
Bush Administration VP Dick Cheney
Bush Administration United States Attorney General Alberto González (Yay, waterboarding)
Bush Administration Homeland Security Advisor Steve Abbot
Bush Administration Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Kenneth Adelman
Bush Administration Secretary of the DHS Richard C. Barth
Bush Administration Director of the National Security Council Christopher Barton
Bush Administration National Security Council Legal Adviser John Bellinger
Bush Administration Special Assistant to the President Kenneth Bernard
Bush Administration Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense Mark E. Bitterman
Bush Administration Deputy National Security Advisor Robert D. Blackwill
Bush Administration Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force William Bodie
Bush Administration DND Deputy General Counsel Christian M.L. Bonat
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher
Former FBI Assistant Director Greg Brower
Bush Administration Chief Presidential Speechwriter Christopher Buckley
Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of State Jack C. Chow
Bush Administration Assistant to the President & Deputy to the Chief of Staff James W. Cicconi
Bush Administration Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Peggy Cifrino
Bush Administration Counselor of the Dept. of State Eliot A. Cohen
Bush Administration General Counsel, Dept. of the Army Benedict S. Cohen
Clinton Administration Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen
Bush Administration Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Joseph J. Collins
Bush Administration Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Cindy Courville
Bush Administration National Security Council Legal Advisor Stephen W. DeVine
Bush Administration Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley
Bush Administration Acting Under Secretary of the Army Raymond F. DuBois
Bush Administration Senior Executive Service Dept. of Defense Martha E. Duncan
Bush Administration Under Secretary of Defense Eric S. Edelman
Bush Administration Former Deputy Assistant to the President Richard A. Falkenrath
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs
Jendayi E. Frazer
Bush Administration Deputy Assistant to the Vice President Aaron L. Friedberg
Bush Administration NSA Director of Counterterrorism William Gaches
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Janice Gardner
Bush Administration Acting Attorney General of the United States Stuart M. Gerson
Bush Administration Under Secretary of State James K. Glassman
Bush Administration Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President Jon D. Glassman
Bush Administration Director of State Dept, Policy Planning David Gordon
Bush Administration Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency Michael V. Hayden
Bush Administration Counsel, President’s Intelligence Oversight Board Seth Hurwitz
Bush Administration Acting Attorney General of the United States Peter Keisler
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of State James A. Kelly
Bush Administration Under Secretary of Defense Kenneth J. Krieg
Bush Administration Deputy Administrator United States Agency for International Development James R. Kunder
Bush Administration Commander, United States Personnel Information Systems Command George Landis
Bush Administration Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary in the State Dept. Steven R. Mann
Bush Administration Deputy Under Secretary of the Army John W. McDonald
Bush Administration General Counsel, U.S. Information Agency Alberto Mora
Bush Administration Associate Deputy Attorney General Kenneth Mortensen
Bush Administration Director of National Intelligence and Former Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte
Bush Administration Secretary of the Navy Sean O’Keefe
CIA Chief of Station William R Piekney
Bush Administration National Security Advisor Daniel M. Price
Bush Administration White House Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board Vice Chairman Alan Charles Raul
Bush Administration Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency Director Victor Reis
Bush Administration Deputy Assistant Secretary of Homeland Security Paul Rosenzweig
HW Bush Administration Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Charles O. Rossotti
Bush Administration State Dept. Deputy Director of Policy Planning Kori Schake
Bush Administration Deputy Under Secretary of Defense Wayne Schroeder
Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff and Ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency Gregory L. Schulte
Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff John Simon
Bush Administration Senior Director, National Security Council Staff Stephen Slick
Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of Defense and Ambassador to NATO William H. Taft
Chief of Staff, Dept. of Homeland Security Miles Taylor
Bush Administration Deputy Attorney General Larry D. Thompson
Bush Administration Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Homeland Security Jack Thomas Tomarchio
Bush Administration Assistant Secretary of Defense John K. Veroneau
Director of Threats, Ballistic Missile Defense Organization Thomas G. Ward, Jr.
Bush Administration Principal Deputy Director, State Dept Policy Planning Matthew C. Waxman
Bush Administration Counselor of the Dept. of State Philip Zelikow
Bush Administration Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick
Just looking at all those titles, I’d say government is too big.
Looks like a long list of Zionistas.
Looks more like a list of the Military-Industrial Complex's top lobbyists to me.
That's a lot of phony baloney jobs. If Trump wins they'll all be unemployed and cause a recession.
Yeah didn't see many Catholics..all for quotas in the national security and state department..how about it Cuban or Zuck? Come on now do you have a problem with Catholics? Blinkin? Yep I thought so...quotas except when your group is overrepresented..
Did you know that Chase has a platform?
It's too late. Apparently he's gay.
That’s too bad, nobody will vote for someone who is gay, despite the fact he is unqualified.
Yes, Sarc and Jeffy informed me of that. Then said I can’t vote for him because of that.
“Director of Threats, Ballistic Missile Defense Organization”
Sounds pretty boss, but then I realized it is probably about responding to threats and not making them. Would be a much cooler title if the position was in charge of making the threats.
Hey baby, wanna see my missile?
Deep State traitors? Looks like it...why would any General send Americans into battle without a declaration of war? Any who did are traitors...
Democrats insist upon projection, as virtually everyone who has deceitfully claimed Trump is a fascist has been advocating fascist and unconstitutional policies for the past decade, including banning/censoring free speech, banning guns, banning fossil fuels, and mandating covid lockdowns, mask and vaccines.
We're being told by both the MSM as well as all those Hollywood and pop star geniuses that Trump is a fascist. And if you don't go along with our agenda, we'll throw you in jail for it.
The Covid event of the last four years has illustrated that the Democrats/ liberals are much worse than anyone expected. Looking back on the hysteria by the branch Covidians, proved to be utter nonsense and provably false but Americans suffered for it.
So who is the real fascist? Trump or the Democrats who punish with lawfare, anyone daring to oppose their ideology? Just as Elon Musk.
So, who is the threat to Democracy and Fascist?
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Harris, wants to censor speech, engage and fully fund foreign wars, believes in big and growing government, and favors maximum foreign engagement and entanglement.
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or Trump, Free speech advocate, wants to reduce foreign entanglements, plans to reduce government size (even getting Musk to take charge of regulatory reduction), and wants to avoid foreign wars.
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Trump does not seem like the Fascist risk to me.
You forgot his mean tweets. Mean tweets make him a warmonger itching to launch our entire nuclear arsenal at the first opportunity.
So very mean. Poor Don Lemon.
Nor to me; which is why I am voting for his ticket vs the party of more; more government, more regulation, more intrusion, more censorship, more taxes....and inevitably less freedom.
Ignore Trump's plan to round up 13,000,000 political scapegoats that he blames for everything from unemployment to gout.
Are you talking about the criminals came in illegally, and should be kicked back out for doing so? There's nothing fascist about that, Nazi.
Trump co-opted bill clinton's immigration policies and this broke the left entirely.
How dare the Soviet Union evicting the millions of German immigrants that crossed over the border without a permission slip. How dare them.
Don't forget the tens of thousands of military age young Chinese men. Some of whom have been arrested for spying. The Venezuelan gangs noted for taking over apartment complexes, the young women who have been brutally raped and murdered by illegal aliens, the increase in crime, auto thefts, accidents and over all violence.
Not to mention the spending of billions of dollars in freebies given away to millions of illegal aliens.
Ignore all that....everything is just fine. Right?
Assuming that's all true (and it isn't) is the busting down doors and dragging millions and millions scapegoats from their beds who have never harmed anyone, who work in agriculture, construction and the like, for the crime of not having papers, justified because of the actions of a few?
I don't think so. Then again I don't support demagogues.
sarcasmic, hold on a second. These 13MM people broke our laws and are illegal aliens (emphasis on illegal). That is the truth. There is a very real cost of sheltering and feeding them. And educating any children that might accompany them, or children they might have here in the US. NYC and other cities are in deep shit right now, financially and with petty crime.
Let's not hand wave away the reality of the high cost Americans are bearing, in blood and treasure.
Illegal aliens do not belong here and have overstayed their welcome. They need to return to their home in their country of origin. We need to enforce our laws consistently.
I also think we need to vastly expand the numbers for legal immigration, meaning millions, and institute very strict criteria on who gets in. Why not intentionally skim the best and brightest from the entire world to build the America of tomorrow? This is what Pres Trump advocates. He is right.
Yes, but it's hard for Sarc to troll his enemies here on that.
I have no problem with rounding up Bolsheviks and Cultural Marxist and deporting (liberating) them to Ukraine for many it would be a sort of homecoming..
As a Catholic and Italian American, the Dems can piss off..they are attacking our natural rights and BJ Harris had the "balls" to smear us on Columbus day...meanwhile her "woke" hubby banged and knocked up the nanny (JC is there no shame with these folks) and beat the shit out of his side chick.
No we need to deport your traitor ass to Rome you god damn pedo enabling papist.
The Romish trash needs to just shut the fuck up. You’re the ones with the biggest child sex abuse scandal in our lifetimes.
You need to decide whether you’re a bigoted papist or an American?
You’re a goddamn fucking bigot. Fuck you and fuck your make believe cracker Jesus.
“(T)he violence between far left and far right that America has faced in recent years was nothing close to what Germany witnessed in those days.”
Actually, if you read the links in the article what America has faced in recent years is almost exactly what the post-war Germans faced! The level of violence so far may not be exactly the same, but history – contrary to the common slogan – NEVER repeats itself. The principles at play here and now are still the same: increasing polarization between totalitarian communist socialists and totalitarian national fascist socialists with “others” refusing to take action and standing on the sidelines wringing their hands in impotent frustration. Meanwhile the stakes for gaining control over the growing central government power to be used against your opponents grow apace. The issue here is not democracy and never was. The issue is constitutional limitation of government power and the majority of the moment being able to impose their will on everyone.
Actually, the only real violence has been from the far left, from violent rioting, looting, burning in cities to violent attacks on people for their religious beliefs. The violence committed on people who dared express an opposing opinion. Censorship, losing their jobs, threatened with death.
Yes, we know all about violent right wing extremists./s
>>There's another controversy about whether former President Donald Trump praised Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in private.
there was a first controversy? stop hanging with Sullum
if Trump was a fascist, he would have fascismed the first time he was president. He didn't. He deregulated government, cut taxes and secured our border. He fucked up other things, but he certainly didn't spend his time trying to put his political opponents in prison - the hallmark of fascists throughout history.
As soon they took power, the Democrats opened the border and rolled out the red carpet to millions of illegals, tried to put their biggest political foe in prison on made up charges, forced people to get experimental vaccines, bullied social media companies to censor speech, repeatedly and unlawfully granted a mass amnesty for student loans, withdrew due process rights for college men, cozied up to Iran, bungled an unnecessary Afghanistan withdrawal demonstrating so much weakness that Putin invaded Ukraine (who they've half-heartedly helped) and spent an ridiculous amount of time trying to trans our military. They also can't seem to tell the good guys from the bad guys in Israel vs. Terrorists.
They further plan to ban guns, nuke the filibuster so they can add Democrat states (including DC), pack the Supreme Court, delete the Electoral College, require all states to legalize and pay for abortions until (and after?) birth, turn our children into tranny zombies, and force the entire nation to rebuild or retrofit every building and ban the most efficient and cheapest sources of energy in hopes of changing the weather in 100 years.
Their best defense when this is pointed out is that they're probably not going to 100% succeed.
No, no, it’s not the people who tried to censor everybody's political speech, imprison their political opponents and remove their political opponents off the ballots who are fascist. It’s the guy who didn’t do any of that.
Here now,… any more of that and Komrade Garland will send out his KGB to arrest you for insurrection.
"He deregulated government, cut taxes and secured our border."
No, he FAILED to secure the border, which didn't need securing in the first place. My taxes didn't go down during his reign, did yours? My prices went up dramatically on his watch due to massive COVID spending and the trade war he initiated with China - how about yours? Two out of three is pretty bad in my book, but maybe not in yours?
The deregulation bit is also bogus. It's more properly called re-regulation. The regulations that once favored one set of lobbyists over another are re-written to reverse this.
There’s no such thing, for example, as an unregulated bank. Banks are institutions to which the government has granted the right to issue I.O.U.’s that it will recognize as legal tender. The government regulates everything from a bank’s reserve requirements to its hours of operation; how much can be charged in interest, fees, and penalties; what sort of security precautions can or must be employed; how its records must be kept and reported; how and when clients must be informed of their rights and responsibilities; and pretty much everything else.
So what are people referring to when they talk about deregulation? In ordinary usage, the word seems to mean “changing the regulatory structure in a way that I like.” In the case of banking, deregulation has usually meant moving away from a situation of managed competition between midsize firms to one in which a handful of financial conglomerates are allowed to completely dominate the market. In the case of airlines and telecommunication firms in the Seventies and Eighties, deregulation meant the opposite: changing the system of regulation from one that encouraged a few large firms to one that fostered carefully supervised competition between midsize firms. In neither of these cases was bureaucracy reduced.
Not sure if this is sarcasm but I'll play along. Well based on ya know the numbers the border was a lot more secure under Trump than Biden. But if you don't think the border needs to be secure it doesn't matter if he FAILED. My taxes absolutely went down under Trump and I don't even itemize anymore but you're probably in a higher bracket. But not to worry, the Democrats promise to let the tax cuts expire. And prices were pretty stable prior to the manufactured pandemic. But I wasn't shopping for a Rolex so maybe your experience was different.
"No, he FAILED to secure the border, which didn’t need securing in the first place."
Better be sarcastic or else someone is retarded. Caught mtrueman though.
Aren't we being invaded by Mexico? Sounds like war footing. And Trump is bragging about how he supports Israel more than Harris and Israel is pushing war on Iran. So there you go.
I get it. War sucks and Harris will be surrounded by war hawks. But unless we are arguing that Trump is some kind of appeaser spare us. We still remember the days of appeasement Monkeys and Freedom Fries. Many of the same people yelling that stuff are Trump supporters. Or are Trump supporters former Democrats?
"But unless we are arguing that Trump is some kind of appeaser spare us."
Trump is some kind of appeaser. North Korea had for decades complained about American joint military exercises off North Korean shores. Trump cancelled them calling them an unnecessary provocation and complained about their cost. The cancellation lead to meetings between Kim and Trump. Appeasement sometimes pays and sometimes it's necessary to make diplomatic headway. The word doesn't deserve the negative connotations we usually give it. In any case the meetings in North Korea went nowhere but showed that Trump's anti-war instincts were sincere enough. His problem was he lacked the smarts, courage and resolution to bring peace to the peninsula. He also staffed his cabinet with war mongers like Bolton (on the strength of his impressions watching interviews on FOX) who worked from day one with other of his cabinet members to subvert any peace initiatives.
You forget that Kim stopped sending missiles into the sea of Japan after Trump showed him a bit of respect - that's what Kim really craves - which is free and inconsequential.
Trump tried out staff like a woman in a shoe store. He brought in guys he thought would help and tossed them aside when they were worthless. Biden/Harris still have dangerous criminals like Garland, Blinken, and Mayorkas.
"You forget that Kim stopped sending missiles into the sea of Japan"
That's all part of the diplomatic give and take. It's a pity Trump didn't have the courage, smarts or resolve to carry it through and cement a permanent peace. Wouldn't that have been something?
"Trump tried out staff like a woman in a shoe store. "
You're saying this in defense of Trump? A frivolous attitude to choosing staff is supposed to be Trump's strong point? Either you're a Trump partisan who reflexively comes to his defense, or you just haven't thought this through.
1000 American dead per day? Sounds very optimistic to me. Multiply by 10 or 100 maybe?
Whether or not the specific reports are true,
good lord. These reports are the most obvious manufactured oppo of all time, even more ridiculous than the pee tape. Giving them even an ounce of credence shows a level of credulity i did not think possible, even for a jOuRnoLiSt
Fascism was all the rage in the early-mid 20th Century. Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, Franco, Salazar
It's still around under a new name. We call it 'austerity' now. The origin of modern austerity measures is mostly undocumented among academics. During the United States occupation of Haiti that began in 1915, the United States utilized austerity policies where American corporations received a low tax rate while Haitians saw their taxes increase, with a forced labor system creating a "corporate paradise" in occupied Haiti. Another historical example of contemporary austerity is Fascist Italy during a liberal period of the economy from 1922 to 1925. The fascist government utilized austerity policies to prevent the democratization of Italy following World War I, with Luigi Einaudi, Maffeo Pantaleoni, Umberto Ricci and Alberto de' Stefani leading this movement.
Fascism is an economic system where the government controls business by setting production rates and prices without taking ownership as in socialism. It can be enforced austerity or it can be expansive - see the military in Nazi Germany.
Austerity is not in itself either socialist or capitalist.
"Austerity is not in itself either socialist or capitalist."
It's fascist. It was fascist right from the start and it's fascist today.
The idea that Nazis 'controlled business' is ridiculous. They were incompetent, directionless bunglers and always at each other's throats. You are giving them far too much credit. Hitler continued to rely on the acumen of seasoned businessmen. Like the Krupps, for example. Hitler or his minions didn't control Krupp, aside from enacting rules preventing them from exporting arms to potential enemies. Aside from that the family ran the company.
Here we go again.... = The Atlantic reported that Trump said, "I need the kind of generals that Hitler had," citing anonymous sources.
Have we learned nothing in the last 8 years?
If we had generals as good as Rommel and Guderian we would be much better off. Germany had some outstanding military strategists, but, of course, they were led by an idiot.
The most serious danger is the one that historically allowed dictators to take power.
Well, luckily we're not in any danger of that in 2024. There are no dictators on the ballots. Just an orange clown and a gibbering retard.
Fascism is already here in the US.
The next step is war.
Funny how both parties embrace both.
"The next step is war."
War is already here. We're up to our necks involved with at least two, three if you count our meddling in Syria, four if you count Iraq where our soldiers are under attack as recently as a couple of days ago. It's not funny at all how both parties are willingly complicit. It's disgusting. I think the Libertarians, Greens and Cornel West are the only anti war voices in this election, none of whom stand a chance of being elected.
"Hitler was not able to seize control simply because he was skilled at riling up mobs. The Nazi movement took root in soil poisoned by the economic collapse and political chaos caused by losing World War I."
The Nazis were already past their peak when Hitler gained power.
1930 - Nazis got 18% of the vote.
July 1932 - Nazis got 37% of the vote.
November 1932 - Nazis got 32% of the vote.
The November election was the last free election in Germany for some time. The Nazi vote declined and between them the Socialists and Communists picked up the disaffected fascist vote.
Arch conservatives Hindenburg and von Papen were not happy with the trend, held their noses, and realized it was now or never for Hitler who conveniently had the backing of capitalists from the Krupp family and other industrial and financial concerns.
The Nazi movement took root in soil poisoned by the economic collapse of ‘communism’ and [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism].
The political chaos caused by losing World War-I are but insignificant steps to the above.
I find it amazing how many so called ‘historians’ never allow themselves to see the BIG PICTURE.
‘Guns’ don’t make sh*t
...and therefore Communism and Nazism will *always* end up in chaos, economic collapse and believers endlessly attempting to conquer and consume ‘others’ land/resources.
BASIC F’EN COMMON-SENSE 101.
"The purest form of communism is when production is entirely owned by the state"
There is another political system, that economically is distinguished by the notion that the means of production remain in private hands rater than the state, but control lies with the state. The word today is far more tightly coupled with the ultra-nationalist right-wing political facets and dictatorship than with the economic state, nevertheless, there it is.
This article below makes a statement "Fascism is to be distinguished from interventionism, or the mixed economy. Interventionism seeks to guide the market process, not eliminate it, as fascism did. Minimum-wage and antitrust laws, though they regulate the free market, are a far cry from multiyear plans from the Ministry of Economics." But to me it just highlights the slippery slope that is between interventionism and fascism.
https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
From the article:
As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.
Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.
Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission. Levels of consumption were dictated by the state, and “excess” incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.” The consequent burdening of manufacturers gave advantages to foreign firms wishing to export. But since government policy aimed at autarky, or national self-sufficiency, protectionism was necessary: imports were barred or strictly controlled, leaving foreign conquest as the only avenue for access to resources unavailable domestically. Fascism was thus incompatible with peace and the international division of labor—hallmarks of liberalism.
Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left. The government cartelized firms of the same industry, with representatives of labor and management serving on myriad local, regional, and national boards—subject always to the final authority of the dictator’s economic plan. Corporatism was intended to avert unsettling divisions within the nation, such as lockouts and union strikes. The price of such forced “harmony” was the loss of the ability to bargain and move about freely.
To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production.
Re: "Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms."
I give you California Democrats...
On September 28, 2023, Governor Newsom signed into law AB 1228, the Fast Food Restaurant Industry legislation that raises the hourly minimum wage rate for certain fast food workers to $20 effective April 1, 2024. In addition, the legislation establishes a Fast Food Council within DIR to establish an hourly minimum wage for fast food restaurant employees and develop standards, rules, and regulations for the fast food industry.
And...
President Joe Biden will invoke the Defense Production Act in order to produce solar panels, forcing private companies to comply with leftist demands to transition the United States away from oil and gas.
"President Biden today issued presidential determinations providing the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) with the authority to utilize the Defense Production Act (DPA) to accelerate domestic production of five key energy technologies: (1) solar; (2) transformers and electric grid components; (3) heat pumps; (4) insulation; and (5) electrolyzers, fuel cells, and platinum group metals," the Department of Energy released in a statement Monday.
President Biden on Wednesday invoked the Defense Production Act to address the infant formula shortage in the United States.
The White House announced in a fact sheet that Biden would use the Cold War-era law to require suppliers to “direct needed resources to infant formula manufacturers before any other customer who may have ordered that good.”
“Directing firms to prioritize and allocate the production of key infant formula inputs will help increase production and speed up in supply chains,” the fact sheet said.
Biden first used the DPA last year to boost production of pandemic-related supplies. So far this year, the president has invoked the act for the production of electric vehicle battery materials and to address a shortage of baby formula.
Thanks MO! This is rarely mentioned and almost universally misunderstood. Most think that the outcome of fascism - militarism, nativism, jingoism, etc. - are the policies of fascism.
“The purest form of communism is when production is entirely owned by the state”
Not true, I'm afraid. It's not even true for Bolshevism as both Lenin and Stalin allowed for some individual private property and cooperation with Western capitalists like Ford. But Marx wrote that the ultimate goal of communism was the 'withering away of the state.' The dictatorship of the proletariat where the state was pre-eminent, was only to be a temporary state, if you'll pardon the expression, of affairs.
I think all the Hitler talk by so many Democrats is a dog-whistle to their most fanatic supporters to kill Trump. It's the only way they can stop him.
You can be damned sure that this would be the MSM talking point if the Republicans were calling Kamala "HItler in a pants suit."
Trump is not a Fascist nor the next Hitler. For that matter neither is Harris. Of the two Harris is more of a Warmonger and as of late has been campaigning with warmongering neo-con Cheney, is the current Vice President in the Biden regime who has been much more pro-war than Trump ever was.
If the deciding factor is war and keeping out of war, Kamala Harris is a very poor choice, but if you favor getting into wars or escalating existing wars, the she is a good fit.
It not that Trump is great, just less bad. Not less bad enough to earn my vote, but if I was forced to pick one or the other, Kamala would not receive my vote.
" Of the two Harris is more of a Warmonger and as of late has been campaigning with warmongering neo-con Cheney, is the current Vice President in the Biden regime who has been much more pro-war than Trump ever was. "
I fear it's Netanyahu who will ultimately decide the extent of America's in the wars being fought. And he's not on the ballot. Instead we have two candidates happy to do whatever it takes to please the lobby and rake in the money.
Nice try, but I don't think the premise holds. Remember, liberal democracy is an Enlightenment concept with the US being the oldest example (although the Netharlands have a claim as well), so only the past 250 years of 3000+ years of human civilization. Sadly, autocracy seems to be the normal human condition and there is tremendous tendency to regress to that mean. That is why Classical Liberal principles mixed with a Conservative appreciation for the past is so critical to securing durable liberties. Wars create a huge vacuum for autocrats to fill, but it is not the reason autocrats exist or come to power. Latin America is rife with such examples.
I don’t know if Trump is a fascist, but he definitely expresses a lot of authoritarian opinions.