Empires Thrive on Pluralism, Not Brutality
Empires with more room for cultural difference were more successful, anthropologist Thomas Barfield argues.

Shadow Empires: An Alternative Imperial History, by Thomas J. Barfield, Princeton University Press, 384 pages, $35
In his classic book Afghanistan: A Cultural and Political History, the anthropologist Thomas Barfield argued that Afghan society had seen stability only when its rulers respected the diversity of the country's communities and allowed them some space to govern themselves. In Shadow Empires: An Alternative Imperial History, Barfield extends this argument to empires throughout history. The most important ingredient in imperial longevity, he argues, wasn't brutality; it was respect for pluralism. The empires whose rules had more room for cultural difference were the empires more likely to thrive.
To be an empire, by Barfield's definition, a state must have at least 5 million square kilometers and at least 40 million people. Within those criteria, he distinguishes two groups. Endogenous empires are created through a process of internal development and outward expansion. They are large, they rely on direct taxation or tributes for revenue, and they include some of the best-known empires in history: the Romans, the Chinese, the Ottomans. Exogenous empires emerge from their interaction with already-established empires. Rather than depending on internal revenue to support themselves, they rely on trade, raids, and piracy.
While most people associate imperial rule with endogenous empires, Barfield focuses on the exogenous examples—the "shadow empires" of his title. Like Adam's rib, these emerged from the flesh of their progenitors to grow into something more complex and beautiful.
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Barfield identifies five main varieties of shadow empires:
- Maritime empires built their power by controlling sea trade routes and ports, extracting wealth primarily through trade dominance rather than territorial expansion. They include ancient Athens and, more recently, the Portuguese and British empires.
- Steppe nomadic empires had dispersed populations and few urban centers. They relied on pastoralism and military power to control vast territories and influence sedentary states. They include the ancient Xiongnu and medieval Turkish empires.
- Empires of the periphery emerged in frontier areas after endogenous empires were weakened. Barfield divides these into vulture empires, which arose when leaders at the edge of a collapsing empire established their own dominion from its remnants, and vanquisher empires, which emerged when frontier groups conquered endogenous states and reorganized them under a new alien elite. One vulture was China's Qing dynasty, and one vanquisher was the Abbasid Caliphate.
- Empires of nostalgia derived their legitimacy by emulating long-gone empires, but they often lacked their precursors' power or resources. The classic example is the Holy Roman Empire.
- Vacuum empires were a European phenomenon, arising in large, sparsely populated areas (usually forests) where external actors saw an opportunity to develop these regions for their own expansion and control. Examples include Kyivan Rus and Muscovy.
Barfield wears his brilliance lightly, illustrating his points with engaging metaphors. How can one forget the Umayyad Caliphate once we've seen it as a fast-food franchise? "Leaders sought authorization from the caliph to engage in new conquests and then recruited their own troops who were promised a large share of the loot and landed estates in the territories they helped conquer," Barfield writes. "Thus, while the Umayyad equivalent of McDonald's golden arches appeared to be everywhere, the new territories (franchises) were operated by their governors (franchisees) and not by the Umayyad caliph (McDonald's head office), who collected a percentage of their revenue. And like McDonald's, these new governorships could adapt to local customs as long as they maintained basic commonalities."
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Another Barfield metaphor involves two broad approaches to governing a vast expanse: the Swiss cheese model and the American cheese model.
A Swiss cheese empire exercises direct control over only its most productive population centers and major communication lines, paying less attention to lands that have less value or are more difficult to control. Barfield likens these ignored areas to the holes in Swiss cheeses, which are not defects but a natural byproduct of the way the food is made. When empires took this approach, they accepted and allowed room for the deep variation of the people under their realm.
Take the ancient Persian Empire. Its "king of kings" model was able to integrate subsidiary rulers with local autonomy into the system, rather than seeking direct control over all the people. This decentralized governance let leaders tailor their ruling strategies to meet specific geographical and demographic characteristics of the regions they ruled. Those holes in the cheese were opportunities for clever rulers to govern strategically.
In the American cheese model, by contrast, rulers tried to exert direct control over the entire territory and its people, administering them with a uniform set of rules and laws. Just like processed American cheese, where each part should be uniform in texture and appearance, any deviation from the standard was seen as a defect that the state should address. The Qin dynasty, which ruled China from 221 to 206 B.C., exemplifies the American cheese system. It was known for its centralization and the uniformity of legal codes and standards across its entire territory.
Some shadow empires began with a decentralized Swiss cheese system but shifted toward American cheese once in power. This was particularly likely among vulture empires, which adopted the administrative techniques of collapsing endogenous empires. The Qing dynasty, for example, began in Manchuria in 1636 but quickly conquered all of China, adopting its highly centralized governance structures but incorporating minorities into these structures along the way.
Why did the old empires vanish? It may come as a bit of a surprise to activists demanding the decolonization of everything, but the chief culprit was capitalism. Barfield argues that the Industrial Revolution shifted the world away from agrarian economies, which had been the lifeblood of most empires.
Although the Industrial Revolution was birthed in the British Empire, the market logic it reinforced ultimately undid the imperial order, destroying the system from within. Technological innovations allowed countries to produce goods more efficiently and transport them more quickly and cheaply. The rise of a new class of industrial capitalists challenged traditional agrarian elites. The creation of new working classes around the world helped foster nationalism, leading to rebellions against the empire as subjects increasingly questioned its right to rule them. The British Empire was not able to adapt to these challenges, and it eventually collapsed.
It wasn't alone. Old-fashioned empires could not keep up with this pace of change, and they were supplanted by more dynamic capitalist states. In the 19th century they began to crumble, and by the late 20th century they were in the dustbin of history. Today, no state calls itself an empire. The term is a pejorative.
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While Barfield limits his discussion to empires of the past, his work has implications for the present. The Swiss cheese model, for example, resembles what economist Daniel Bromley calls a "rationally attenuated state," where the government's reach is limited by geography, population density, or other factors. Take Sudan. It's the largest state in Africa, but its vast terrain had little value because it was not arable. In that context, institutional weakness can be a governing strategy. The southern part of the country had only 20 kilometers of paved roads until a few years ago, after oil was discovered in the region.
Similarly, political scientist Jeffrey Herbst's seminal work on sub-Saharan Africa shows the leaders of many postcolonial states focused less on land than on concentric circles of authority, with the state exerting strongest control over its political core and varying its reach beyond that. European colonization and subsequent state-building efforts failed because they tried to impose Weberian American cheese on an existing Swiss model.
That leads us back to Afghanistan and the effort to build a heavily centralized unitary state there. The U.S. tried to impose an American cheese model on a country that had been most stable and prosperous under Swiss cheese rule. The results went about as well as the last few thousand years of history would lead you to expect.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Pluralism Outlasts Brutal Uniformity."
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I’m not sure what the point of this is. The summary seems like cherry picked examples placed in arbitrary categorizations which are then being applied to prove some arbitrary modern concept like “pluralism” is good for …empires?
Same puzzle. I could come up with a dozen different ways to categorize empires. So what? I could also categorize the rugs in this house, or the tableware, or wen sites or people's hair.
Academics fail to impress, part MCLXII. Film at 11.
Fry: Usually on [Star Trek], they came up with a complicated plan and explained it with a simple analogy.
Leela: Hmm, if we can re-route Imperial power through ethnic and cultural diversity and configure them to abide or ignore pluralism, that should overload the regio-ethnic structure, establishing cavitation within the whole.
Barfield: Like holes in Swiss Cheese!
Fry: Of course! It’s all so simple!
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Reason: Binary thinking is destroying our culture.
Also Reason: Imperialism? We got both kinds! American *and* Swiss.
shut up and take my money!
Who wants an empire?
Democrats?
What a shitty defense of pluralism.
Empires exist because they don't care about pluralism.
You've heard of the Mongols? Maybe before your time. Once the world's largest empire, with trade routes stretching across Asia and Europe, thanks to the peace they imposed. That's pluralism. Kublai Khan's mother was a Christian, Genghis' grandson converted to Islam. The Mongols adopted all manner of Chinese customs like the meritocratic system of tests for their civil service after the conquest.
Had they attempted to impose Mongol customs on those they subjugated, it's likely their empire would never have got off the ground. Instead they embrace pluralism and the empire grew and flourished.
Or boiling people alive and slaughtering them kept them in line.
A little from Column A, a little from Column B.
It's all swings and roudabouts.
No no, the Mongols took over China and huge parts of Europe when they showed up in suits, gave a silicon valley-style powerpoint plan showing their management style and everyone in the conference room said, "yeah, this looks great, where do we sign?"
Mtrueman has confused post-conquest crafty statesmanship with a love of cultural enrichment and food trucks.
I haven't confused what you believe I've confused. Conquest is the military subjugation of foreign lands and peoples. Empire is the administration of said lands and peoples once they've been subjugated.
Mongols, you'll be interested to learn, didn't use food trucks. They relied on small ponies for transport and sustenance. While campaigning, they could ride for days, and when they got hungry, instead of dismounting and preparing a meal, they would, while still in the saddle, take out a small knife, nick their pony's flesh, and suck the blood from the wound.
The Mongol empire is not alone in the use of capital punishment or the embrace of pluralism.
They didn’t give a shit about pluralism, they just wanted their taxes.
Shit, or 'dung' as I was taught to say, was valuable to the Mongols. On the treeless steppes of central Asia, there was not much else that could serve as fuel for their fires. There was a choice between cheaper, slow burning cow dung, and the more expensive hotter burning goat dung. Life on the steppes was tough, Vulgar Madman, and it was the tough who could thrive and survive. You have no idea.
The contents of your skull would have been quite valuable back then.
Rude.
But accurate.
But perhaps they keep going because they do.
"Why did the old empires vanish? It may come as a bit of a surprise to activists demanding the decolonization of everything, but the chief culprit was capitalism."
That doesn't sound right. India was under control of the capitalists of the East India Company for centuries. They were merchants and adventurers who had their own private army, made deals with the local potentates and mingled freely with the local women. They were also heavy handed and eventually the Sepoy revolt (over the use of pork grease in rifles and many other indignities) almost cost the British their foothold in India. Victoria stepped in, pushed the company and capitalists aside, and assumed sovereignty. Entrusting the civil service and church of England to handle the administration. Victoria styled herself as the 'Empress of India' only after the capitalists were dethroned.
India was under control of the capitalists of the East India Company for centuries
Correct, an institution that replaced the Mughal Empire.
Victoria styled herself as the ‘Empress of India’ only after the capitalists were dethroned.
And her "Empire" lasted less than a century.
"And her “Empire” lasted less than a century."
It's amazing it lasted at all, don't you think? India is a vast land mass with a huge population. Britain is a smallish island maritime power half the world away. Divide and conquer was the key. And divide and conquer doesn't work without pluralism - different religions and ethnicities that can be manipulated and played against on another. They elevated Sikhs and Muslims over the majority.
It’s amazing it lasted at all, don’t you think?
I suppose, given that it was the widespread uprisings that led the BE to take direct control, which could easily have failed outright in the 1850s and led the British to leave a century earlier. The Mughals certainly made their own contributions to the divisions, particularly when Aurungzeb decided to reject the, shall we say, pluralism? of his predecessors and go full-bore "this is a Muslim Empire!" on everyone.
I never got the impression that the EIC particularly wanted to rule India so much as doing so became necessary because all the conflict Aurungzeb enflamed (Sikh uprising in Punjab, Hindu uprisings in Karnataka and Bengal) was a threat to their trade, and likewise that the BE didn't really want to rule India, either, except that EIC mismanagement of the country (also only about a century's worth, really) threatened their revenue streams.
Seems kind of illustrative of how trying to centralize cultural control of a pluralistic society leads to ruin, since arguably the EIC was only on the rise to the extent that it operated as a capitalist enterprise, and once it started behaving like a government dictatorship it started falling apart almost immediately.
> … since arguably the EIC was only on the rise to the extent that it operated as a
capitalistmercantilist enterprise…FIFY
“Seems kind of illustrative of how trying to centralize cultural control of a pluralistic society leads to ruin”
For some of India’s widows it was a godsend. The British tried, albeit half heartedly, to ban the Hindu practice of sati, widow burning. It was a burning issue for decades and wasn’t resolved until the 20th century. It still remains controversial with a few instances continuing in this century.
“It was a burning issue for decades.”
It’s like you know humor exists but you simply can’t understand it.
> That doesn’t sound right. India was under control of the capitalists of the East India Company for centuries.
Point of note: the East India Company was mercantilist, not capitalist.
Correct. Capitalism didn't really exist yet.
Is there a difference? Wikipedia tells us:
"Mercantilism is a nationalist economic policy that is designed to maximize the exports and minimize the imports for an economy. "
That's certainly the case with India where Britain imported Indian food stuffs and exported manufactured goods. But can't it also be described as capitalist? ie Where profits are plowed back into the enterprise to expand it? Isn't it correct to say the company was both mercantilist and capitalist? Or are they mutually exclusive?
You’d be better off getting your information from a fortune cookie.
Ignorant.
> Is there a difference?
Tell me you're utterly ignorant w/o telling me...
https://fee.org/articles/mercantilism-a-lesson-for-our-times/
Isn't capitalism also a statist system? Under capitalism it's the state which adjudicates property disputes and ownership. It's the state that grants patents, trade marks, and intellectual property, as well as regulating the markets. I'm not sure what you're arguing here. You've managed to find a tendentious source who says bad things about mercantilism. So what? You still haven't answered any of my questions.
Nothing heavy handed going on with the Taliban.
"The most important ingredient in imperial longevity, he argues, wasn't brutality; it was respect for pluralism."
If old Reason Magazine read new Reason Magazine and saw what new Reason Magazine was advocating in Reason Magazine, old Reason Magazine would write an article in Reason Magazine condemning the crap new Reason Magazine publishes in Reason Magazine.
What have you got against piuralism? Nobody here seems to want to put in a good word for it.
You overestimate the popularity of liberal faggotry.
You have a problem with liberal faggotry too? You really should let Mother’s Lament answer his own questions. He’s much smarter and literate than you and doesn’t typically resort to kneejerk insults and bluster. If he has a problem with puralism, I’m sure he’ll be anxious to tell us all about it.
Marxist Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer is SNOT into liberal faggotry or multiculturalism... She is into Christo-Fascism, Necrophilia (recommending suicide for percived political enemies), and ID theft! Proof (cites) on demand for THAT shit!
Ass to the self-righteous Christo-Fascism, I give you a SERMON from Moose-Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer Herself!
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Now, the preachings of The Great Mammary. Note that She picks the verses that say that the right BELIEFS and whorestyles get you “in” with the “in” crowd, and then you’re free to engage in ID theft and other evils, at will!
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It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don't even understand the basic tenets of its theology.
Pretty much the whole point of Christianity is that everyone has sinned and is worthy of damnation so God became a human and took our punishment for us. And the libertarian angle is, that you still have a choice to accept or reject the gift already given.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 6:23 ESV: For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 3:16-17 ESV: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
(End of Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer-style preachings.)
"It amazes me how Americans living in a purportedly Christian culture don’t even understand the basic tenets of its theology."
It's love. When the early Christian bigwigs gathered to decide what to include in their canonical bible, and what to exclude. Love was the central issue. The lovey dovey stuff was kept while the tall tales of miraculous doings were consigned to the apocrypha. The emphasis on love is what makes Christianity so distinct from Judaism or Islam, its closest relatives.
From time to time I have called myself a fundamentalist... In that the "fundamental" idea is supposed to be that we should "love our neighbors"!!!
This seems like it's conflating two different issues - pluralism and decentralization. Most of the evidence cited here speaks to the latter. Of course, anyone with a passing understanding of the theory of federalism would have realized that already.
Pluralism and decentralization cumplement each udder... Ass ANYONE who has any TOLERANCE (and a flexible, non-fossilized mind) would recognize! Now tell us yet AGAIN how "abortion doctors" and womb-slaves should be severely PUNISHED for equating allowing a womb-slave with a cancerous "molar pregnacy" to LIVE, with MURDERING a cancerous, non-viable pregnacy? PLEASE justify Your PervFected intolerance and cancerous, centralized, cuntralized imperialism?!?!
Oklahoma now vying with Idaho for most fanatical!
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-cancerous-pregnancy-told-wait-215500885.html
Woman with Cancerous Pregnancy Was Told to Wait in Parking Lot Until She Was 'Crashing'
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/molar-pregnancy/symptoms-causes/syc-20375175
From there, we see that MOLAR PREGNANCIES ARE NEVER VIABLE!!! Yet fascist assholes like sore-in-the-cunt cuntsorevaturds want to endanger women in the Sacred Name of Unique Human DNA, which is present in a womb-slave!
From the listed source…
There are two types of molar pregnancy — complete molar pregnancy and partial molar pregnancy. In a complete molar pregnancy, the placental tissue swells and appears to form fluid-filled cysts. There is no fetus.
In a partial molar pregnancy, the placenta might have both regular and irregular tissue. There may be a fetus, but the fetus can’t survive. The fetus usually is miscarried early in the pregnancy.
The American empire is in late stage decline.
So, more of a Conciato Romano than a pasteurized, preserved cheddar Colby?
Government cheese
Let cheeses into your life!!!!
The American
empireRepublic is in late stage decline.FTFY.
The Empire is just getting started.
THIS is why we MUST... Hang Mike Pence! Execute General Milley! Fuck Spermy Daniels and PAY her with campaign funds! Have the Proud Boys standing by! Etc.!
We’ve been an empire for a good while now.
You mean an Empire of the Son? The Son of GAWD = The Donald? Or GAWD = = The Donald?
The Donald sayeth cunto us all...
"You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-rat ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”
I'm struggling to understand his grand thesis here, or his ultimate point. Is he saying that... a kind of globe-spanning empire like... the Roman Empire was successful because it integrated so many different cultures under it's rule? Is he suggesting the hegemonic rule is just jim-dandy as long as you respect some other ways of knowing, other ways of doing along the way?
It sure sounds like Home Slice is trying to make an impassioned argument for Vassal States, while dressing it up in DIE-style multiculturalism.
Is he suggesting the hegemonic rule is just jim-dandy as long as you respect some other ways of knowing, other ways of doing along the way?
No - he's suggesting that the Romans were successful to the extent that they weren't hegemonic and tended to mind their own business when it came to culture.
And that is absolutely correct. The Roman bureaucracy outside of Rome was amazingly small.
"Empires Thrive on Pluralism, Not Brutality."
Bullshit.
Empires thrive on brutality in order to keep the masses in line, and there's more than enough historical evidence to back this claim.
It makes you wonder what mail-order college Barfield graduated from.
No, empires and states use brutality to keep the criminal element in line. For the masses, the threat of brutality is enough to keep them in line. 'There's a policeman inside my head and he's telling me what to do,' as a wise man once told me.
Barfield got his BA from the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League school in Pennsylvania. Donald Trump's alma mater by the way, where he majored in golf.
Wrong.
Empires use brutality to keep EVERYONE in line, and as for Penn, is that the same woke university that gave Anheuser Busch an advertising exec the idea to use Bud Light to use a transgender to advance their product for the working class?
How did that work out for AB?
"Wrong."
I strongly disagree. Nobody has to brutalize me to get me to pay for the groceries I get when shopping. I pay knowing that if I don't, there is a distinct threat of police action - arrest, beating, imprisonment, death, according to how much I resist or plain luck. So I avoid the brutalizing by paying. As a wise man once told me, 'there is a policeman inside my head and he's telling me what to do.'
"and as for Penn, is that the same woke university "
What does it matter? Aren't all universities woke and worthy of our contempt?
You must not live in California or NYC.
"European colonization and subsequent state-building efforts failed because they tried to impose Weberian American cheese on an existing Swiss model."
Probably the most successful effort at colonizing Sub Saharan Africa was South Africa. It wasn't because of the American cheese model. For years they relied on a system of apartheid, much as we see in Europe's most successful effort in Asia, Israel.
Is a strategy of divide and conquer the same as an embrace of cultural pluralism? It doesn't seem so. Cultural pluralism implies tolerance and celebration of differences, while divide and conquer accepts those differences but uses them as a cudgel against disfavored groups.
Apartheid only lasted from 1948 to 1994.
"Apartheid only lasted from 1948 to 1994."
In South Africa the largest city is Johannesburg, founded in late 19th to exploit rich deposits of gold discovered there. It was racially segregated right from the start, with Soweto, a township settled exclusively by black Africans and other non whites. They may not have called their system 'apartheid,' but it was effectively the same thing. Similarly, Israel also doesn't call their system of ethnic segregation apartheid, but the more palatable 'zionism.'
You and Misek should fuck.
Rude.
You two have so much in common though! You could both have a special needs Nazi baby together!
I am going to mute you. Don't take it personally. Or maybe you should.
You’ll mute me the same way sarcasmic did, you liar.
Black South Africans could vote under apartheid?
Oh, the genius things you can learn on Wikipedia!
Ignorant.
Says the retard who claims black South Africans had voting rights.
The headline falsely equates the term Empire with civilization.
There's an aspect of the Swiss cheese model that Barfield seems to have glossed over: The Persian Empire and other examples had a lot of internal violence. At least in Xenophon's time, it was considered perfectly normal for a satrap (regional ruler) to hire foreign mercenaries to make war on other satraps. Then after The Ten Thousand won a regional war for Cyrus the Younger, Satrap of Lydia, the Greek mercenaries were drawn into more regional conflicts deeper and deeper in Persia until it turned out Cyrus was not seeking to enlarge his satrapy, but to overthrow the King of Kings. He might have succeeded. According to Xenophon's account of that last battle, Cyrus was winning until he recklessly joined a cavalry charge and got killed far from his Greek troops.
Two generations later, Alexander the Great conquered Persia in spite of being outnumbered at least ten to one. I suspect the internal divisions and conflicts allowed by the Swiss cheese model enabled that victory.