Israelis and Palestinians Found Common Ground at the DNC. Is That Enough?
Both Israeli hostage families and Palestinian Americans want the war to end with a prisoner exchange. But that isn’t moving Democratic policy.

Rachel Goldberg and Jon Polin came to the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday with a message they said was "not a political issue." The Israeli-American couple's son, Hersh Goldberg-Polin, was at a music festival during the October 7, 2023, attacks on Israel. A grenade blew his arm off, and Hamas fighters took him hostage.
"In a competition of pain, there are no winners," Polin said. "In an inflamed Middle East, we know the one thing that can most immediately release pressure and bring calm to the entire region: A deal that brings this diverse group of 109 hostages home and ends the suffering of the innocent civilians in Gaza. The time is now."
He added that kol adam olam umlo'o, a Hebrew saying meaning "every human being is an entire world" that is paraphrased from the Talmud.
Outside the convention center that night, former congressional staffer and convention delegate Abbas Alawieh was leading a livestreamed protest. Uncommitted delegates like Alawieh, representing those who had declined to vote for President Joe Biden in the primary, were demanding that the Democratic Party also allow a Palestinian American speaker on stage to share their people's story.
Alawieh himself had lived that story. As an American teenager visiting his family in southern Lebanon, he witnessed the Israeli invasion of 2006.
"I thought that 100 percent I would be killed using bombs that my government was sending over there," he said. "I remember what those bombs feel like when they drop. I remember how your bones shake within your body. I remember what they smell like. I remember what the dust feels like when it fills the room after a bomb drops and I can't even see my own hand in front of my face."
He added that he was "privileged" to hear the humanistic message of Polin and Goldberg at the convention, and echoed Polin's reference to the Talmud. "I was thinking about how in the Muslim tradition, we know that if you harm or if you kill any one person, it's as if you harmed or killed all of humanity," Alawieh said, paraphrasing a verse from the Quran.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is probably the most intense foreign policy issue in U.S. politics, threatening to break apart the Democratic coalition. At stake are hundreds of thousands of Muslim, Jewish, Arab Christian, and other voters in swing states, including over 100,000 people in Michigan and 88,000 people in North Carolina who voted uncommitted in the Democratic primaries.
In theory, all the major Democratic factions have the same goal. Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris say that they want a ceasefire. So do many of the Israeli hostage families invited to speak at Democratic events and the Palestinian-American voters protesting against the party. When a heckler chanted "Free the hostages" at Alawieh's protest, uncommitted supporters reportedly chanted back, "We agree!"
"President Biden and I are working to end this war such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination," Harris said on Thursday night.
But move from the realm of rhetoric to the realm of action, and the fault lines become clearer.
While calling for diplomacy, the Biden administration has also rushed weapons to Israel at the American taxpayer's expense. (Harris also promised on Thursday that she "will always ensure that Israel has the ability to defend itself.") Some hostage families, including the Goldberg-Polin family, have asked the U.S. government to push harder on the Israeli leadership to accept a ceasefire. The Uncommitted movement believes that nothing short of a total weapons cutoff can move Israel.
This question—whether the Biden administration is seriously working towards a ceasefire—has also divided the progressive wing of the party. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) said in her Tuesday convention speech that Harris "is working tirelessly to secure a ceasefire in Gaza and bring the hostages home."
Rep. Ilhan Omar (D–Minn.) rebuked her in a speech outside the convention hall. "It's been unconscionable for me the last ten months to witness my colleagues in this administration refusing to recognize the genocidal war that is taking place in Gaza," Omar said. "'Working tirelessly' for a ceasefire is really not a thing, and they should be ashamed of themselves."
The Uncommitted movement had publicly hoped that replacing Biden with Harris would also mean a shift in administration policy. Harris' foreign policy team includes figures like Philip Gordon, a skeptic of U.S. wars in the Middle East, and Ilan Goldenberg, an Israeli-American peace negotiator who has called for recognizing the State of Palestine. Recent polling shows that an arms embargo would win more votes than it would lose in swing states.
The Democratic National Convention would put those hopes to the test. Unlike the outside protesters who threatened to disrupt the convention, the Uncommitted movement played the inside track, negotiating with Democratic leadership and playing up the movement's willingness to help elect Harris.
"Michigan voters want to support you, but we need a policy that will save lives in Gaza right now," Layla Elabed, cofounder of the Uncommitted movement and sister of Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D–Mich.), reportedly told Harris when they met earlier this month.
Meanwhile, many hostage families have grown to see Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as an obstacle to saving their relatives from Hamas. Rather than negotiating for a prisoner exchange in good faith, they believe he is dragging out the war, endangering hostages' lives in the process.
During hostage negotiations last month, Netanyahu added new demands for a permanent Israeli presence in Gaza that members of his own negotiating team reportedly worried would torpedo the talks. On Tuesday, a U.S. official accused Netanyahu of making "maximalist statements" that are "not constructive" to securing a deal.
"There's a myth out there that there's a better deal somewhere, if Israel just delays a little longer and fights a little further. Every day, another hostage can die, including all of our loved ones, those who may still be alive," Jonathan Dekel-Chen, father of a hostage, said in a July 2024 congressional roundtable. "Any true friend of Israel today must pressure our prime minister to finish the deal."
By then, more hostages had died in captivity—some of them mistakenly killed by Israeli troops—than the Israeli army had rescued.
Netanyahu spoke to Congress a day after the roundtable. Hostage families teamed up with pro-Palestinian progressives to protest him. Omar gave her seat to Zahiro Shahar Mor, the nephew of a hostage; Mor was arrested by Capitol Police for heckling Netanyahu, alongside five other hostage relatives who wore t-shirts calling on Israel to "seal the deal."
That demand is easy enough to square with the old Democratic consensus on Israel. An Israeli is pushing for a change in his government's wartime policy for the sake of Israeli victims. The Uncommitted movement, however, believes that peace can only come if the U.S. stops arming the Israeli military altogether. ("You want the bombs to stop? You stop sending bombs," Alawieh said at his Wednesday protest. "It's a very simple idea, Mr. President.") And it is driven by a Palestinian perspective first and foremost.
Ahmad Awad, an Uncommitted delegate for New Jersey, has Palestinian ancestry on his father's side and Polish ancestry on his mother's side. "I hold the Palestinian cause very near and dear to my heart. It's something that I have experienced firsthand when I visited family and visited Palestine. I've experienced the discrimination. I've experienced the apartheid, the occupation, the hell that my people have been put through," he says.
His Polish grandfather was "forcibly removed from his town and shipped off to slave labor camps with his family" during World War II and was forced to stay in a displaced persons camp after the war, according to Awad. "It definitely impacts how I move forward. I'm going to voice concern for human rights and for human dignity, wherever it may be. It's not exclusive to the Palestinian cause," he says.
Democratic leadership has been skittish about airing that kind of perspective in public. Several weeks before the convention, the Uncommitted movement publicly asked the Democratic National Committee to allow a speech by Tanya Haj-Hassan, a doctor who had served in Gazan hospitals during the war.
The Harris campaign privately told the Uncommitted leadership that it would be open to a private meeting. However, as soon as news of those talks became public in early August, the Harris team stated that they were not open to discussing an arms embargo, and Harris herself made a show of talking down Palestinian protesters at a campaign rally.
As negotiations with the Harris campaign dragged on, the Uncommitted movement dropped the demand to have Haj-Hassan speak and presented a list of Palestinian Americans to choose from. On Wednesday night, the campaign rejected all of the names on the list, and Alawieh immediately organized his protest in response, according to Palestinian-American writer Y.L. Al-Sheikh, who is close to Uncommitted but not an official delegate.
"It seems to me like they expected us to just roll over and not make a fuss, but in reality we made a rather symbolic ask, and made it in a very conservative manner by providing them with options, and they rejected it out of hand before seeing a single speech draft," she says. "At the end of the day, in my humble opinion, even the most conciliatory speech possible by a Palestinian American would be bad in the DNC's view because her very presence on the stage forces people to some degree to reckon with what the party has supported."
In a last-ditch attempt to force the Democratic Party's hand, a copy of Georgia state Rep. Ruwa Romman's draft speech was leaked to the progressive magazine Mother Jones.
Democrats have "stood together, demanding to enforce our laws on friend and foe alike to reach a ceasefire, end the killing of Palestinians, free all the Israeli and Palestinian hostages, and to begin the difficult work of building a path to collective peace and safety," the draft speech says. It endorses Harris, criticizes former President Donald Trump for using "Palestinian" as a slur, and does not call for an arms embargo.
A growing chorus of voices called for the Democratic National Committee to include Romman, among them several members of Congress, the United Auto Workers union, and the relative of several Israeli hostages.
"Rachel and Jon deserved every second on that stage. I also believe a Palestinian American voice deserves to be heard on that stage," Alana Zeitchik, six of whose family members were taken by Hamas, wrote on social media. "I'd love to hear from [Romman] and I hope the DNC will give her the chance to be heard."
Democratic leadership rejected all of those entreaties. "I think we've given them a lot of opportunities to engage in this process at the convention. People have had dedicated panels during the daytime programming," Harris campaign adviser Ian Sams told CNN. (Uncommitted was allowed to hold an off-site event with a group of doctors who had served in Gaza.)
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) brusquely told NBC that "we're not going to get any problems for lack of diversity."
Romman ended up reading her speech to a gaggle of reporters on the sidewalk outside the convention center. Uncommitted and other anti-war delegates held a silent protest in the hallway of the center. So far, the Uncommitted movement is still committed (no pun intended) to the inside track. Just before Romman's sidewalk address, Alawieh issued a new demand: a meeting with Harris by September 15.
But many Palestinian and anti-war voters are not Democratic partisans. For them, Harris is clear enough on where she stands, and continuing to beg the Democratic Party for concessions may not be worth the effort.
"Palestinians and pro-Palestinian voters are officially checked out now," says Abdelhalim Abdelrahman, a Palestinian-American writer from Michigan who voted uncommitted in the primaries and canvassed for Justin Amash's Senate campaign. "The Democrats denying the request for a Palestinian speaker at the DNC showed a lot of Palestinians and their supporters that there's no room for Palestinians in the supposed big tent Democratic Party."
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They found common ground?
AYFKM?
"They both want peace". Yeah. Israel wants peace with Palestine. Palestinians want peace without Israel.
Not the same thing.
The war only ends when Hamas is dead.
That battle ends when Hamas is dead. The war will continue for centuries.
October 7 was an inside job.
The following video is the best compilation of evidence to date that proves October 7 was an inside job coordinated by Israel as an excuse to commit genocide in Gaza.
https://richardgage911.substack.com/p/new-documentary-on-gaza-october-7
The video proves that Israel, funded, coordinated and enabled the October 7 attacks.
It shows that Israel opened the gate to welcome trucks carrying Hamas through the wall.
It shows how Israel not only ignored repeated warnings from their many surveillance sources but withdrew all defences from the wall and emptied their military bases just hours before the attack and had ZERO response for more than 6 hours.
It shows and proves that the IDF attacked the concert goers and the kibbutz’s with Apache helicopters and tanks.
It shows that they sacrificed dozens of their IDF forces to blame Hamas.
It shows that only handfuls of Hamas soldiers wandered for hours through the evacuated areas looking for soldiers to fight but finding none.
It shows that the hostages that were taken by Hamas said they were treated well.
It shows that Israel/Netanyahu has funded Hamas with billions in cash in suitcases in the backs of cars for many years.
Refuted.
Also, are you an Islamist, or a neo Nazi?
There's a difference?
It’s not unusual that the Jewish concert goers get along with Palestinians in Gaza.
Those are the left wing Jews that Netanyahu hates enough to target with Israeli tanks and Apache helicopters as demonstrated in the video.
They’re the Jews that confirmed they were treated well by Hamas.
This has been going on for a long time, and will continue to go on. This is not “the time”. Sorry.
Isn't "common ground" the whole issue in the first place?
It's not like they give a shit about the native Chicagoans living there.
How is what is happening in Gaza different than what happened in Germany and Japan during the first half of the 1940's?
Misek says nothing happened in Germany in the early 40 ‘s. The Germans were all on vacation.
How is it similar?
The Palestinians don't have the resources or manpower to exterminate the local Jews. Also, the Germans were snazzier dressers.
Also, the Germans were snazzier dressers.
So true. They immortalized themselves with those outfits. As long as human history and entertainment exists, them Nazi uniforms will be a staple.
Yeah they're really bringing people together:
https://twitter.com/uncommittedmvmt/status/1826470913233080763
Very fine people on both sides.
What I love is the hypocrisy and double standard on display here.
Reading that article, you get the sense that the only people with any agency in the Middle East are the US and the Israelis.
The Biden administration is giving money. The Biden administration is selling weapons. The only way to get ISRAEL to “move” is cutting them off. Netanyahu is not negotiating in good faith.
Note that not ONE word is mentioned in that entire article about ANYTHING that the Palestinians or Hamas ought to do to help bring this conflict to a close. It is all the Biden/Harris administration and Israel.
Petti continues to tell us more- Because he won’t “seal the deal” hostages are dying in captivity. Because Netanyahu is negotiating for more concessions, hostages are even being killed by their own army.
Let’s be clear here. Hostages are dying in captivity BECAUSE THEY ARE HOSTAGES HELD IN CAPTIVITY. That is the proximate cause of their situation. They were abducted by Hamas in a brazen WAR CRIME of targeting civilians. They continue to be held in captivity in direct violation of international law. If they die there, it is because HAMAS killed them, not Israeli negotiators.
And if you read Petti's linked articles, you see that the reason Israeli hostages were killed by Israelis is because Hamas violates international law by ambushing soldiers under the cover of false surrenders. The Geneva Convention forbids using the white flag and SOS messages to setup ambushes. It forbids using hostages as human shields. It does this precisely because the architects of the treaty know that if these conventions are not followed, innocent people will die. And it is clear in putting the responsibility for such deaths on the government that breaks the rules. That would be Hamas.
I am not just pointing this out to score moral points. I am pointing it out because there is no greater way to encourage this behavior from Hamas than to downplay or even ignore it. The Geneva Convention sets rules between two Hostiles because if BOTH SIDES don't follow the rules, non-combatants will suffer and die. It is the International Community's unwillingness to hold Hamas to account for their war crimes that leads them to continue using the tactics.
I personally believe we should sell weapons to Israel if they can pay for it themselves, and should cease aid to the entire region. I hate war, and hate the US supporting any war. But if people truly want war to end, they need to hold both sides of a conflict accountable equally.
But despite their obvious bias against Israel, Petti and the Uncommitted unwittingly uncover a simple truth: as much as they hate the only functioning Democracy in the Middle East, they admit it is the only one that COULD change. They don’t call on Palestinians to obey the laws of war, or compromise on their “to the sea” rhetoric. They don’t do it because Hamas is nothing more than a mindless beast- a storm that cannot be reasoned with, only adapted to.
This ugly double standard is typical for leftists who show their bigotry against minorities with such tactics. But it should have no place at Reason.
Leftists are always counter tribal. It comes dow to one thing. Hamas must be slaughtered until they no longer exist.
Reading that article, you get the sense that the only people with any agency in the Middle East are the US and the Israelis.
...
Let’s be clear here. Hostages are dying in captivity BECAUSE THEY ARE HOSTAGES HELD IN CAPTIVITY. That is the proximate cause of their situation. They were abducted by Hamas in a brazen WAR CRIME of targeting civilians. They continue to be held in captivity in direct violation of international law. If they die there, it is because HAMAS killed them, not Israeli negotiators.
Yeah, this is utterly repugnant from both a libertarian and a moral perspective.
It's beyond "Did you see the skirt she was wearing?" Petti might as well blame female rape victims for not doing enough to negotiate the guardianship/custody of their children with their rapists.
This is the leftist rot I would see excised from the libertarian community. This "Oppressed can do no wrong" marxist worldview is responsible for an inordinate amount of misery in this world.
Ironically, the inordinate amount of misery it causes is also disproportionately aimed at those same 'Oppressed'.
I like to think of the Israeli attack on Gaza as "blowback".
Finally, something Kamala can relate to.
Neither side is following "international law" or the "Geneva convention". If you ignore the domestic propaganda and read the Israeli press, all the "burned and beheaded babies" are in Gaza and the rapes are in IDF detention facilities.
Then appealing to only the Israelis to obey international law is a fools errand, don't you think?
The Israelis are the good guys. Case closed.
As I said above, I really could give a shit about Israel, and I think they should get about as much money as the rest of the middle east (zero). They should also get as many weapons from us as they can buy with their hard earned cash.
That said, everyone, including their critics sure seems to treat Israel as the good guys. Good guys can be reasoned with. Good guys can be persuaded. Bad guys cannot be reasoned with, and must be either placated or destroyed.
The Israel critics want Israel to stop committing "War Crimes". They have NOTHING to say about the war crimes of Hamas. Just look at the entirety of the article above, which speaks only of the things the US and Israel should do. The only mention of Hamas was to say what Hamas had done. They treat Hamas like a wild beast that cannot be reasoned with, while Israel is the out of control but decent guy who has agency.
I don't think you can apply morals to countries. But everyone sure seems to have judged Israel as the better party here.
Israel also has no desire to kill Americans. Hamas does. Right there American values and interests align with Israel and not Hamas.
Why does everyone insist it's on Israel to make the peace? No one ever seems to call on Hamas to surrender and return the hostages, which would immediately end the war. it's like demanding Charles Lindbergh drop charges and make nice instead of insisting Hauptmann return the Lindbergh baby and surrender to authorities. There are still 5 Americans being held by these terrorist scum, as far as I'm concerned there should be American boots on the ground with the Israelis.
"I was thinking about how in the Muslim tradition, we know that if you harm or if you kill any one person, it's as if you harmed or killed all of humanity," Alawieh said, paraphrasing a verse from the Quran.
Even towelheads will get a laugh out of that.
They like quoting passages like that while being silent on the ones saying non-Muslims and infidels don't count as people
Definitely one of Trumps worst positions is his plan to keep Israel-maxxing.
WTF is “Israel-maxxing”?
From where I sit, the “NATO should pay their fair share.”/Abraham Accords/Jerusalem is the capital of Israel guy is the best option if not a really good policy.
The idea of “Palestinian as a slur” as a strike against him is as stupid as the idea that appearing in blackface should/shouldn’t disqualify someone for office. Hamas is a terrorist organization. People obstructing students from going to class and setting fires on public property in support of them are, legal definition or not, using intimidation/terror tactics to support them. As with blackface, acknowledging that 10% of the population is responsible for the majority of violent crime and that BLM was responsible for destroying the policing reform movement doesn’t make someone a racist, it makes them objective.
If by “Israel-maxxing” you mean he’s pledge to give them even more unfettered access to free shit, sure, it’s a bad position. But hardly the worst and, in Sandra/OBL fashion, what’s the alternative? *More* appeasement of Palestine from even more parts of the globe in response to Oct. 7 because they haven’t gotten enough? That’s insanely worse.
Maybe he meant to say ‘vaxxing ‘. Oh wait, that would be Harris.
Everyone seems to forget, or not even know, there are American citizens among those hostages. I think there should be American boots helping the Israeli's force these terrorist scum to either surrender or go to Hell where they belong.
Petti continues to be the biggest idiot here.
This is why you don’t let parents of captives set policy or negotiate.
This isn’t about their son, it’s about the next 2400 parents who could have their child slaughtered in the next Intifada in a few months or years.
I’ll bet Petti thinks the prisoner swap deals with Russia were great as well. They definitely Don’t incentivize future assassinations and hostage taking to swap for your assasins
Everyone says that you can’t trust the number of deaths coming from the people in Gaza. So let’s just say that they’ve doubled the actual numbers, meaning the true death toll is half of what they say. Right now they’re saying it’s around 40,000. If they’ve exaggerated by 100%, that still means twenty thousand dead civilians. They say 16,000 children. Again if they doubled that then that means eight thousand dead kids. What if they tripled the numbers? That’s still 10,000 parents whose kids have been slaughtered. Assuming the parents are still alive.
But that’s cool, right? They're just Palestinians. Not like they're human or anything.
So let’s just say that they’ve doubled the actual numbers, meaning the true death toll is half of what they say.
They've more than likely quintupled or septupled the numbers.
And in addition, it's also extremely likely that a large number of those that have been killed are also Hamas fighters.
Moreover if *they’re* willing to arbitrarily double the number of deaths so that the majority of the concern is actually not for dead Palestinians but for the fake people they lied about and said were dead, why, even by *their* own metrics, should *I* care about the comparatively few *actual* deaths?
“I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
Edit: This is why, for decades, moralists, objectivists, conservatives, hard scientists, rational thinkers, and pretty much anyone else who isn't a motivated, insane zealot in the climate (and other) conversations has said that "Correct, within an order of magnitude." = incorrect.
It’s a fact that some of those are Hamas fighters. Thing is, they’re not fighting fighters so much anymore. They’re just blowing up any place they think some leader might be hiding, collateral damage be damned.
If Hamas places a weapons cache and headquarters in the middle of a refugee camp, and the IDF targets it, who bears the fault when the secondary explosions kill the nearby civilians in addition to the Hamas fighters?
Stop parroting jew propoganda.
-sarc, jeff, mtruman, misek
Are you joking? The Israelis are executing the most careful military campaign in history to minimize collateral damage. This is hard to do when your opponent not only places zero value on human life, but additionally uses women and children as human shields in an effort to get more of those women and children killed for propaganda purposes.
Seriously Sarc, you’re just fucking vile for defending these assholes. The Israelis are heroes here.
I doubt that.
I’m too lazy to re-research it now, but I started running some numbers months ago when they were throwing out figures like 30,000 dead! I started running comparisons against nightly death tolls from carpet bombing during the Blitz in wwii for London, where civilian areas were laid to waste by German bombers nightly for 8 months. The Hamas security and intelligence services would release figures of “500 dead” when a single bomb would land, when an entire night of bombing across wide swathes of London neighborhoods would net maybe 500-1000 dead.
Then there was the obvious problem of how fast Hamas would release the figures. The bomb hits the ground, then some 27-34 seconds later, they’re releasing a death toll of “500”. That’s almost as bad… almost as the media declaring the 2020 election “the most secure in history” on the same night of the election.
Edit: Just so you know, the entire 8 month period of the Blitz netted 40,000 Londoners killed. That's dropping tonnes of bombs per night for eight months straight.
Table napkin maff time: 8 mos. ~30 days per mo == 240 straight nights of bombing, 40,000 dead. 40,000 / 240 == ~166 killed per night. From a strategic, concentrated bombing campaign designed to kill as many civilians as possible.
I’m too lazy to re-research it now, but I started running some numbers
So I guess we can't ask you to solve the "how long can a generator run on a drop of fuel" problem?
1 week. In perpetuity.
And the Hamas number s are bullshit anyway.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable
“A high proportion of reported deaths come from an unknown methodology that may be misrepresenting the data, while enormous uncertainty persists regarding how many combatant fatalities go uncounted in tunnels and other battlespaces. The exact proportions of men, women, and children killed are even more unclear. The available data does not allow for reliable estimates about the ratio of civilians to combatants killed either, whether independently or by comparison with Israeli estimates.”
So what you are saying is there is a number of human shields terrorists can hide behind where it is unethical to shoot back at them?
I fundamentally disagree with this premise.
What is to be done about the strongly held conviction of Palestinians that Israel must be attacked again, and again, and again? How can Israel coexist with such an avowed enemy?
It’s not like the Palestinians should have any say in the matter. So what if they’re nationless? So what if they’ve got no government? So what if they’re not a recognized state? So what if they keep being herded into ever shrinking plots of land? So what if they live in an apartheid state? So what if they have their land and possessions systematically stolen from them? So fucking what? Their point of view just doesn’t matter. They need to see it from the Israeli point of view. Then everyone will get along.
And if they don't like it, exterminate them with extreme prejudice.
It’s not like the Palestinians should have any say in the matter. So what if they’re nationless? So what if they’ve got no government?
They have a government.
So what if they keep being herded into ever shrinking plots of land?
One wonders why some of those Arab state borders don't get opened up a little. Actually one doesn't wonder, because if you know anything about the history of the other surrounding Arab nations and the Palestinians, you know why they don't open their borders.
And your "so what?' is whether they try to murder or otherwise harm random Israelis.
How fast was Gaza "shrinking" in the past 18 years when Israel left them to basically self govern?
The Palestinians’ are massively in favor of this conflict.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
“Seventy-two percent of respondents said they believed the Hamas decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was "correct" given its outcome so far, while 22% said it was "incorrect". The remainder were undecided or gave no answer.”
The ‘Palestinians’ approve of what their Hamas masters are doing. So fuck them. They’re reaping what they’ve sowed.
How many dead Germans are you crying over? If you support a murderous regime, and most Palestinians do, you get unfortunate consequences when they launch their murderous wars.
Hamas has not surrendered. They haven’t agreed to any proposal presented to them.
At what point were you for ceasing hostilities with Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan? 1942? 1943?
You are advocating for more dead Israeli civilians - that is all you are doing here
Sarc hates Jews. Just like he hates Trump.
War sucks. Hamas shouldn't have started one. 20 or 30 or 40 thousand more Palestinians would be alive today if Hamas had not attacked on October 7th.
And all of the Palestinian civilian casualties since then could have been ended at any time if Hamas had released all of the hostages and turned over anyone involved in committing or planning or aiding the October 7th attacks to face justice for their crimes.
If they won't surrender the perpetrators to Israel, how about some independent tribunal organized by the UN or the US or NATO or some coalition of neutral nations? Publicize to the world what actually happened on October 7th, so the deniers can't claim it's just Israeli propaganda.
How have you not run out of straw yet?
I’m actually surprised the DNC allowed the parents to speak because the administration has done fuck all to acknowledge that Hamas still has American Citizens as hostages.
A few of those American hostages were wearing IDF uniforms when they were captured. While they hold American citizenship they're Israeli hostages first.
Hamas (Palestinians) started this fight. They broke the cease fire, such as it was.
Were the people taken hostage (kidnapped) on October 7th all wearing IDF uniforms, is that your claim? Is it legitimate to kidnap a soldier?
No, not all of them but more than a few were. A bunch of hostages are IDF and some more are reservists. Israel holds over 10,000 Palestinians captive. That's who Hamas trades the Israeli captives for.
How many of those Paestinian prisoners are war criminals?
Or just regular criminals.
There’s no ‘occupation’ or active genocide going on in Chicago but, shootings alone, there have been over 20,000 in the last decade. Not unreasonable or impossible to assume 10,000 distinct individuals and that’s just shootings.
As pointed out by Overt above, the idea that people are inherently virtuous by the fact that they’re oppressed or captive, rather than just that they are not themselves oppressors, is a very modern, secular, faux-moral, pro-Marxist, insane, religion.
I heard the number was 100,000 captives and, really, if they aren't pushing into the high six figures, they really aren't genociding seriously.
Fucking retard.
“Captive”?
Like the poor disabled prisoner, the old woman who was disfigured.
She was held for nothing more than setting off a suicide vest that malfunctioned. Totally the same as snatching people from a concert and raping them and butchering them
US citizenship used to mean something. (So did killing an American ambassador, once upon a time.) If the captured US citizen is a civilian, the US should be exerting military pressure on the group holding the hostage (i.e. joining the attack on them) or effecting a rescue operation. If the captured US citizen is a bona fide military target (as an active member of the IDF while on duty in time of war, for instance), the US should be negotiating for their release, every day, and not building aid piers and pretending the US hostages don’t exist.
They’re still American citizens. The fuck.
(And they aren’t the only non-Israeli hostages)
Both Israeli hostage families and Palestinian Americans want the war to end with a prisoner exchange. But that isn’t moving Democratic policy.
I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of agreeing to disagree in region's future.
"I was thinking about how in the Muslim tradition, we know that if you harm or if you kill any one person, it's as if you harmed or killed all of humanity," Alawieh said, paraphrasing a verse from the Quran.
I would say... QUITE paraphrased.
In other words—some folks need killin'.
The US Middle East policy should be GTFO and stay out.
"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations and entangling alliances with none". Ditch the "antipathies and passionate attachments".
The Palestinian prisoners are terrorists who have been tried and convicted of crimes.
The Israel hostages are just random people near the border, taken prisoner and tortured for the last 11 months.
Not sure that is common ground. The Palestinian terrorists will go back to trying to kill Jews.
How the hell are they supposed to have a prisoner exchange, when Hamas has already killed their hostages?
That's the basic problem here: People are assuming, for no good reason, that the hostages are still alive.
Back in May: Hamas' Offer To Release 33 Israeli Hostages Also Includes Those Dead
"As per the proposed three-phase ceasefire deal, Hamas will free 33 Israeli hostages, alive or dead, in return for Israel releasing 30 children and women for each released Israeli hostage."
Even then, months ago, Hamas wasn't promising live bodies...
This shit is just like the Brittney Griner bullshit. Why in the hell is the US who has historically had a policy of not playing these games now encouraging and making lopsided deals with bad actors?
The response to this shit should be that we'll assassinate their leaders 1 at a time until they release hostages.
That would involve having American leaders that aren’t retarded incompetent pussies. If I were some foreign terrorist or dictator I would be laughing at Biden, Harris and Blinken. They’re all weak and stupid. The only people they directly threaten are patriotic Americans too decent to overthrow and execute them.
So the Israeli civilians that were taken hostage, going about their business last October would be exchanged for who, exactly?
I expect the answer is: murderers, terrorists, and other assorted war criminals. That is not an equivalent exchange. While there are terrible consequences to what Israel is doing in Gaza, it is not genocide. If it were, it would have been over a lot quicker.
It is the Israelis who have to live the consequences of ceasefire, not Paletinian Americans, and not American parents of the people in Israel kidnapped.
If you are supportive of tHe Palestinians, then you cannot legitimately call yourself "anti-war", as you are opposing actions aginst war criminals. What happened on October 7 last year was an atrocity. Unless you call for Hamas to give up on its war aims, you are pro-war.
If you ever wondered what Reason hiring mtrueman would look like, read Petti.
More like hiring Misek and telling him to keep his NAZI-ism a secret
Notice how Misek will never answer any of my questions? He has a lot to hide. In particular whether he is a neo Nazi, or an Islamist.
“Prisoner” exchange? Do they suggest that hostages, mostly innocent civilians kidnapped and held prisoner, are equivalent to suspected or actual terrorists who have been captured and held to prevent them from doing further damage?
Here’s common ground: if Hamas wants the war to end, release all of the hostages and surrender to face justice for their crimes of October 7th.
Any word from the Democrats on the 5 American citizens Hamas is still holding hostage?
A lot of the negotiations involve their Hamas’ leader wanting a guarantee that Netanyahu won’t have him killed in the future. Netanyahu won’t budge on that. Nor should he.
Every member of Hamas should be exterminated.
So 'reason' finally comes out of the anti-Israel closet. Not anti-Semitic, because they love them some Hamas terrorists. I hope your illegal alien maids and gardeners aren't being radicalized by muslims. No, wait, I kinda hope they are.
I don’t order how many American Jewish voters turn on the democrats in November? I hope it’s a lot. Enough to cause them to lose a lot of down ballot races I hope.
Go google how the watermelon people are getting along with the blacks in America.
Wear a diaper, you might pee yourself laughing.