Carving Out a Tax Cut Just for Tips Doesn't Make More Sense When Kamala Harris Does It
Exempting tips from the federal income tax would add to the deficit and unfairly penalize nontipped workers. It's a bad idea no matter who is pitching it.

No matter who wins this year's presidential election, tipped service workers might be getting a nice new tax break.
Vice President Kamala Harris has followed in former President Donald Trump's footsteps by promising to eliminate income taxes on tips if she's elected. Trump, meanwhile, is already complaining that she's stolen the idea from him—although isn't it supposed to be a triumph when you convince an opposing campaign to adopt your views?
Cutting taxes for tips has already gained minimal traction in Congress too. Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) and some House Republicans have drafted a bill that puts a few bones on the Trump (and now Harris) proposal.
Unfortunately, this is a poorly thought-out idea no matter whose campaign is pushing it. As I wrote shortly after Trump floated this plan in June, exempting tips from income taxes would increase the deficit, create some weird economic incentives, and unfairly cut taxes for a small subset of workers while not doing much to help the majority of Americans or grow the economy.
Those things are all still true, even when the silly idea comes out of a Democratic politician's mouth. Don't buy the argument being peddled by people such as Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik, who declared Harris' version of this plan "better" simply because she's also calling for a higher national minimum wage.
If anything, given Harris' track record of talking about equity and fairness, her embrace of this idea looks worse than Trump's decision to throw it out there in the first place. There's no way around it: This would be a very unfair proposal for a lot of low-income workers.
Alex Muresianu, a senior policy analyst at The Tax Foundation, spells out in detail why that's the case. He compares two hypothetical low-income service sector workers: a cashier and a waitress, both of whom earn $34,000 annually. Under the current tax code, both have the same baseline tax liability (roughly $2,000) even though about half of the waitress's earnings are via tips.
If those tips are exempted from income taxes, the cashier still owes that $2,000. The waitress, meanwhile, owes just $600.
Harris should have to explain why she thinks it's fair to ask some low-income workers to pay tax bills that will be two or three times higher than other workers who earn the same amount—because that's what she is proposing here. More generally, Muresianu's example is a nice reminder of why the government should pursue broad tax bases with low rates and few special exemptions, and why the tax code should treat all earnings equally.
Of course, it pains me on some level to have to knock down this idea. As a libertarian, I want people to have less of their income consumed by federal taxes. Exempting tips would accomplish that. The most recently published IRS tax data show that about 6.1 million Americans would get to keep about $38 billion in income that would otherwise have been taxed away. That's the number of workers who reported earning tips to the IRS in 2018 (the most recent year for which we have full data; data from Table 5.A) and the amount of taxes paid on those tips.
You could even, maybe, convince me to overlook the fairness question. If some workers are benefiting, no one else is being harmed, and the government is getting less revenue, that sounds great.
But what I cannot sanction is a pair of politicians trying to boost their low popularity ratings by promising special tax cuts after years of fiscal mismanagement have left the country with a $35 trillion debt and trillion-dollar deficits as far as the Congressional Budget Office's eyes can see. Trump added $8 trillion to the debt and the Biden/Harris administration has added trillions more. There has been no indication from either campaign that Trump or Harris has a serious plan for deficit reduction.
Until they clean up the mess they've helped to make, they shouldn't be allowed to promise more goodies to anyone.
Both Trump and Harris should be asked the same questions about this plan. What will you cut to offset the estimated $38 billion drop in revenue that will occur if you end taxes on tips? Why should a small subset of workers get special treatment at the expense of everyone else, since adding to the deficit is a promise of future tax increases?
Until those questions get satisfactory answers, chalk this up to being nothing more than campaign-trail pandering. And remember that a bad idea doesn't get better just because it is bipartisan.
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Principals, not principles. All around.
Sarc admits that the media is unabashedly biased for Harris. I am sure that he missed that implication of his comment in his rush to "both sides".
Is this actually Sarcasmic or the person that is using his name?
Is there a difference?
I have to admit that this is the first time that the trolling sock is indistinguishable from the original. Which is likely the point.
If only technology were advanced enough that some sort of user name check could be done automatically when signing up to comment....
They enforced this until commenting required a subscription, which I do not have.
Boo hoo.
It’s not like anyone considers you informative or credible in any way to begin with. So no harm done in your case.
commenting required a subscription, which I do not have.
And I do, and yet you and White Mike would always pretend that you were the only ones supporting the magazine and the rest of us were leeches.
Everything was bullshit with you, huh?
It’s the real one. I muted the fake one.
Me too, if I'm going to disagree (or agree) with something Sarc says, I at least want it to be Sarc saying it.
No Trump defenders are bashing Harris for wanting to cut people's taxes for a change. They're mocking her for copying Trump's good idea, and for her flip-flop hypocrisy, after she was all for cracking down on tip tax compliance previously.
I forgot that there's nothing worse than someone changing their mind, especially if that person is someone you hate and that change involves them agreeing with you.
Did you admit you were wrong all those times you changed your mind? Did you continue to attack those who were originally right after you changed your mind?
Glad to see you defend Kamala though. That should work out well.
By the way. Want the post where you said you didn't want to agree with people you hate? Because this statement seems like you're projecting again.
She did NOT change her mind! She's a phony trying to buy votes. She will never cut anyone's taxes.
Trump is still leading the Nevada polling. The Service workers' union is a reliable left wing Democrat bloc. The rank and file was trending Trump well before he proposed "no tax on tips". Kamala is trying to put down a rebellion and recapture votes. It ain't gonna work.
She comes off as extremely disingenuous to everyone except die hard democrats, who are already beyond help. And it will only get worse when she has to give press conferences and interviews
FFS, she couldn’t even make it through a fairly friendly interview with Lester Holt without blowing it. And she’s apparently too stupid to understand that blowing things only gets her ahead in a very specific context.
Harris 2024: Knees down! heels up!
Cite on your strawman?
Is strawman arguments and identitarian yells all you have left?
I mean principles and all.
Harris cast the deciding vote to tax tips earlier in Biden's egregious regime.
So don't hand us all this bullshit about her wanting to stop taxes on tips.
It's a lie and an egregious one at that.
Take that up with her. I'm just the messenger.
Harris' messenger? Yeah, we already knew that.
Boehm is a Trump defender? Haha, what a fucking idiot.
He’ll still manage to vote for Harris, both strategically and reluctantly.
How about Harris is lying because she cast the tie-breaking vote on legislation that hired a bunch of IRS agents who were meant to concentrate on tips?
"What will you cut to offset the estimated $38 billion drop in revenue that will occur if you end taxes on tips?"
Trump: Department of Education
Harris: Cut? What is this word 'cut'?
"Why should a small subset of workers get special treatment at the expense of everyone else, since adding to the deficit is a promise of future tax increases?"
Because that small subset deserves the same type of carve out as all other small subsets. The entire tax code is small subset carve outs. (and no deficit increase from Trump because of the offset in no Dept. of Ed)
Why didn't Trump cut the Dept. of Education in his first term?
Impoundment Act.
Look at what he did, not what he says. Oh wait...
It's Trumps fault he wasn't the dictator I claim he is screams sarc.
“Look at what he did, not what he says.”
Remember when he removed Title IX and your team lost their shit?
Remember when he appointed Betsy DeVos and your team lost their shit?
Remember when they pushed school choice and your team lost their shit?
Trump attempted modest cuts of all cabinet level departments. He was stopped in his tracks by democrats and RINOs.
Except not all small subsets have carve outs, and this will just drive demand for even more carveouts. I'm all for lower taxes but we need to cut spending first. Cutting 38bn in spending to offset a 38bn drop in revenue doesn't accomplish much when we are running trillion+ deficits every year.
“Just the tip”.
Isn’t that what Willie Brown told her?
Then he shafted her in the end.
reports are she won that game 6 to 9
I hear he at least fed her a cream pie when it was over.
Trump’s plan to exempt tips is great no matter who is saying it.
Harris idea isn’t quite the same though.
There is no ‘carve-out’.
The customer’s wages are taxed. The business is taxed, the service person’s wages are taxed.
And after all those taxes are paid, if the customer wants to give a gift of a little more to the person who helped make their experience pleasant, why do the ‘libertarians’ at Reason think the government deserves a cut?
What is wrong with you people?
The state has been stealing this money for so long, it's become accustomed to it, how will the candidate who stops the state from wronging people recompense them for their loss?
Context counts? What a novel concept.
I tried to make this point yesterday. A tip is not wages. It's a gift. If I give a gift to my neighbor he is under no obligation to report it. The tax code requires that I report it only if it exceeds 18k. If I choose to give a gift to a waitress I am not paying a wage and I don't want her paying taxes on it. This is not unfair to people who choose to work for wages or anybody else. It's a private matter. Taxation is theft and I always tip in cash because I don't want people paying taxes on my gift. Boehm strategically but reluctantly demands that service industry workers be taxed on private gifts that they earn by providing personal service because it will somehow offset a 34 trillion dollar debt or something.
Exactly, if it is not guaranteed and protected by wage law, why is it treated as wages. Income from gifts has its own treatment.
That's my position: So long as I have a choice about paying it, a tip is a gift. And theoretically gifts already aren't taxable, up to a substantial annual limit.
Now, those automatically added "gratuities"? They're just part of the price of the meal, tax away.
That's a great argument for eliminating all income tax.
I do think it's a bit of a dishonest argument, though, to call tips (for restaurant service anyway) a gift. No, it's not legally enforceable, but everyone knows it is expected and it is the primary income stream for servers, and you are an asshole if you don't tip. It's not "a little extra" for good service.
That's not to say that I necessarily object to the plan. But as it is now, probably at least half of tip income goes unreported, so effectively we're halfway there already.
The studies done have found that as much as 2/3 of tip earners do not pay any taxes anyway. Due to diminishing returns, they may spend more than they receive to enforce it.
Improving the efficiency of tax collection without actually taxing anyone more seems like a win.
So how about a deep philosophical discussion about the difference between 'tips', and a commission?
Way back when 10% was the custom, I made more in tips because I worked hard at selling appetizers "while you review our new menu choices", and deserts "while you finish your coffee".
And, oh by the way, I didn't need loans to get through college.
College was also a much better value proposition back then. And likely 89% less Marxist?
Well, yeah.
It was so long ago the ROTC members wore uniforms and lived in barracks.
And I was in engineering.
We’re really in trouble when they wokify engineering school.
Boehm's argument has one major fallacy. In many area's the waitress' $34,000 is not equal to the cashier's $34,000. In many places the waitress is paid less than minimum wage in anticipation of the waitress earning tips.
It doesn't unfairly penalize anyone! Sheesh, you're writing as if we got money as taxes instead of paying it.
Like George Washington freeing his slaves was unfair to other slaves? Like the USA freeing slaves was unfair to slaves in the rest of the world? Like pulling out of a foreign war was unfair to those who'd fought and died there already? Why are you spending bandwidth complaining that both major candidates for president are proposing a tax break?
Exactly.
Let's go out to eat sometime and I'll walk out before the check shows up because the restaurant cutting me some slack isn't going to negatively affect you.
Bad example. In this case, you've stolen a meal. In the other case, the government is intervening to steal the server's money.
Why does the waiter get a tax break and not I? Is he more deserving of one? Why not give a tax break to Jeff Bezos? If we're going to stop "stealing" people's money, surely it makes sense to start with the biggest thefts right?
But you and I both know that's not how it actually works. Taxation isn't actually theft. It's how we pay for all the injustices we do together. The libertarian ideal is that that should be as little as possible but just deciding we'll tax like a tiny state while spending as a big one is patently insane. Does the government currently indebt itself? Of course. Does that mean that we should indebt ourselves more? No, that's ludicrous.
It has to start with cutting spending. Cutting taxes when the country is already in the red is bananas. If anything, it makes it worse because it further emboldens the "debt doesn't matter, borrow to the moon!" Krugman-ite retards.
Well after trashing Trump Kamala forced his hand. Forced to make an ass of himself. Again.
Akshually...in Washington's time, men who freed their slaves were often criticized as heartless cheapskates who just wanted to get out of providing for them, especially in their old age.
38 billion is 2 days spending.
..unfairly penalize nontipped workers.
How?
They both work and so both should have same tax rate. Didn't you read the article? Tips are just income employers outsource to customers.
Both should pay zero then. Now we are talking about freedom.
Except the waitress is as much a performer as she is a service worker. Her income is directly dependent on her performance in her job, whereas the job of a cashier is to provide a warm body to discourage stealing and ensure federal alcohol and cigarette sale laws are followed.
Wait staff are actually sales people.
Tipping is equivalent to sales commissions. The more you can sell, the higher that 15%. The happier the customer, the more chance that it's more than 15%, but even if it's a flat 15% selling that extra appetizer and a bottle of wine can make quite a difference in what's in the waiter's pocket at the end of a shift.
taxation is theft.
Yes, but so is freeriding.
*shrug*
I have to pay the government because someone handed me cash?
'Freeriding' is communist slang for when you refuse to pay them for claiming your labor.
Nonsense. Taxation is the money to fund government services. Where and even when on this earth could you live and not pay some form of tax? Don't like all the government services, join the crowd. The fact is government spending in this country be based on representative democracy. It is not what I want the government to spend money on, but rather it is what "us" as a whole want money spend on.
the direct correlation between passage of the 16th Amendment and prosperousness of our Empire is mind boggling.
Given the ‘collective’ sins of the democrats, there should be an omnibus revenge bill that strips them of legal protections regarding private property. Then we can just take what we need from them at will. This should be agreeable, given their Marxist aspirations,
I'm beginning to suspect Democrats cynically campaign as the champions of the working class (raise the minimum wage, eliminate taxes on tips), but actually govern according to the interests of billionaires (loosen the borders).
Does anyone know if there's a name for this phenomenon?
It's not Harris's fault that voters are morons.
Wasn’t Kamala part of an administration that blew out the size of the IRS with an enormous increase in staff(80,000) and resources($80 billion) just so they could hassle these same service workers over taxes on their tips?
Was she not, specifically, the DECIDING vote in passing the legislation that made this a concern?
Who said she had no accomplishments as VP?
Biden/Harris created 87,000 new high-paying jobs with great benefits, at the IRS.
Not only did she cast the deciding vote on that, she cast the deciding vote on the Inflation Acceleration Act.
Harris is just pandering to voters.
I'm pretty sure the left's ideology of tips is that they shouldn't exist because everyone should get a livable wage.
progressives believe that tipping reinforces systemic racism due to the fact that white males tip the most
And that conventionally attractive females get the biggest tips.
Fuck you. Cut taxes.
Fuck you. Cut spending.
You're for tax increases now. You've admitted this. You don't need to keep telling us.
A tax cut without a corresponding spending cut is not really a tax cut, it is a tax deferral. Because if there is no spending cut, then that spending is paid for via borrowing, which then must be paid back with future taxes (plus interest). So the taxes to pay for current spending are merely deferred into the future.
So yes, taxation is theft, but it is theft when future generations are taxed just as much as when I am taxed.
And frankly, tax deferrals disguised as tax ‘cuts’ in this way, are even more immoral than taxation to pay for current spending. At least if my taxes are stolen from me to pay for current government spending, I get *something* out of it even if that thing is not nearly as much as what I could have gotten if I had decided on how to use that money myself. But if I get the benefits of current spending but I don’t have to pay for it, instead transferring the costs to future generations, that is deeply problematic.
Not true. What matters is who is doing it. If Republicans cut taxes then the rising deficits are driven by Democrats spending. But the cuts themselves are good. If Democrats cut taxes then they’re irresponsibly driving up the deficit. The cuts are bad. See the difference?
Oh I definitely see the difference.
So are you or Jeff going to provide one example of your accusations here? Who here was for it before they were against it?
Besides Kamala the other way.
Nah, they’ll probably DM each other their favorite dark web child porn links.
If Democrats cut taxes then they’re irresponsibly driving up the deficit.
Hahahahaha--you said 'democrats cut taxes'
Democrats don't cut taxes.
Kamalamadingdoing is proposing doing just that.
Lying Jeffy's right. This is a tax cut and whether it's Trump or Harris its always the right thing to do.
A tax cut without a corresponding spending cut is not really a tax cut, it is a tax deferral.
Why do people like you think that the economy will never grow when rates are cut?
There is never a consideration that reducing taxes will yield a long term revenue by growing the pie.
The Laffer Curve is not magic. Sometimes tax cuts can generate enough economic activity to increase revenue. Sometimes they don’t. The way people try to sell it in these comments you’d think that the ideal tax rate for maximum revenue is zero.
Nobody says that.
Provide a citation sarc.
You can't. You just lie about everyone else to hide you're openly pro tax now.
I feel certain that for this exchange, we are “muted”.
Nah, you just have to keep pointing out how big a lying hypocrite he is then he will respond.
He avoids me. He’s scared. He won’t avoid you though. He and Jeffy have a perverse attraction to you. Kind of like Joker has with Batman.
That’s like saying I’m afraid in an attack Chihuahua.
Jesse occasionally makes arguments that aren’t personal so I’ll occasionally entertain him. You’re just a pathetic, yippy lapdog that doesn’t know its size. Hope you enjoyed the pat on the head. Back in the handbag you go.
Why do people like you think that the economy will never grow when rates are cut?
I don’t assume the economy will never grow. But whether the economy grows or shrinks does not change the moral foundation of my claim.
If a tax cut/tax deferral leads to increase economic activity, which then leads to more taxes being paid to the state, that just means that more theft has occurred! From a libertarian perspective, the primary reason to cut taxes is not to grow government revenue via the Laffer curve, instead, the primary reason is to cut taxes because it reduces the theft.
Taxes are immoral.
Overspending is theft. It's just deferred.
Well, the spending itself isn't theft. It's when the bill comes due, that is when the theft occurs to pay the bill.
What will you cut to offset the estimated $38 billion drop in revenue that will occur if you end taxes on tips?
Trump already proposed a tariff increase.
Which will cover that (obviously overoptimistic) $38B.
Protectionist tariffs are not for revenue. Ideally they bring in zero dollars because the purpose is to change consumer behavior by raising prices, not bring in money to the government.
Tariffs funded the whole government for the first several decades of the USA. They must bring in some amount of money.
There’s a difference between revenue tariffs and protectionary tariffs. Revenue tariffs are meant to be paid, while protectionary tariffs are meant to raise prices to the point where people do not buy the taxed item. Meaning ideally protectionary tariffs are a roadblock to trade, not a source of revenue.
Also, the reason that tariffs were able to fund government wasn’t because tariffs are great and wonderful, but because the government back then hadn’t reduced the Constitution to “Congress shall do everything necessary and proper to regulate commerce and promote the general welfare.”
Oh, so now your dumb, drunken ass can make distinctions between tariffs based on their purpose. Funny how you had a problem figuring that out for the last seven years when Trump used them as a negotiating tactic. As opposed to Biden, who sees tariffs as an economically necessity.
But everyone here knows how stupid, irrational and inebriated you are
Just didn't take the tariff war far enough. When the EU imposed retaliatory tariffs in response to our tariffs we should have doubled that. Gotta keep up. French wine should cost $1000 a bottle if we did it right. The worst scotch should be $500.
Yep. We should offer tariff-free trade to any country that will reciprocate. If they don't, we should try to set our tariffs to match theirs.
If another country forces its consumers to pay taxes on imports from us, and we‘re not forced to pay taxes on imports from them, that’s not fair. So to make it fair you want us to be forced to pay taxes on imports from them.
That’s essentially what you are saying.
Because tariffs are taxes on you, not them.
It might be more fun to set our export duties equal to the tariff, so the consumer in the other country has to pay the tax twice.
What’s the purpose? See my quote below. If the import/exports taxes are for revenue they must be low enough to not disrupt trade. If they are to disrupt trade they must be high enough that no one will pay them.
Keep in mind that governments serve producers, not us. So export taxes that disrupt trade will never fly. While import taxes that force us to buy expensive domestically produced stuff by artificially inflating the price of imports will.
Trump did that. He had no takers
https://cafehayek.com/2024/08/quotation-of-the-day-4735.html
Interestingly, Don decided to talk about that exact subject today.
While it’s true that protective sympathies were expressed in 1789 during Congressional debate over the United States government’s first-ever tariff act, the historical record makes clear that the purpose of the tariff act of 1789 was to raise revenue for the government by taxing imports rather than to protect domestic industry by restricting Americans’ imports.
Revenue tariffs, of course, have some protective effects – but these effects, by reducing the size of the tax base, run contrary to the the purpose of raising revenue; these protective effects are an undesirable negative consequence. It’s likewise true that protective tariffs generally raise some revenues – but these revenues are incidental to the main purpose of protective tariffs, which is to reduce imports (that is, to reduce the size of the tax base). If a revenue tariff worked perfectly to achieve its end, it would have no protective consequences, for it would discourage not a single import; if a protective tariff worked perfectly to achieve its end, it would raise no revenue, for all tariffed imports would be discouraged from entering the country.
Keep the above historical fact and economics in mind next time you hear, as you will, some protectionist proclaim that America’s protectionist tradition traces all the way back to the first administration of President George Washington.
Libertarians for Making Sure People Pay Their Fair Share?
The government didn't do any extra work or go the extra mile to provide good service, why should they get a cut from the guy or girl who did?
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lol word.
The IRS spending more money developing and operating a tip reporting system than it collects - does that make sense? Firing 100k useless eaters from the IRS would save more from the deficit.
The overhead they spend just to harass lower middle class workers and young people earning supplemental income is a disgrace. Get rid of the IRS entirely but AT LEAST get rid of their efforts to monitor tipping for gods sake.
90% of the revenue is already calculated automatically anyway. Everybody uses credit cards and point of sale systems that do all the tip reporting automatically. The IRS doesn't need to duplicate this work. Compliance is already insanely high.
It makes all the sense in the world if your goal is to further increase government power over American workers as opposed to using the tax code simply to fund the government.
I'm a big fan of tax cuts...as long as it goes along with spending cuts.
I'm always a fan of tax cuts. Because any tax increases leads to increased spending.
I'm a bigger fan of spending cuts.
Spending cuts aren’t likely without first overthrowing the democrats and their collaborators.
So you're not a fan of tax cuts then
Fuck you, cut spending. There, your retarded deficit talking point to justify more taxes is dealt with.
Now, the real question is how much does it cost vs what it brings in and how much of that is just guesswork by the IRS that poor working class victims can't afford to fight?
Any case of reducing or eliminating a tax is a good thing.
There are no exceptions.
That is the only libertarian position.
Not always a good thing. It isn't a good thing when a tax cut really isn't a tax cut, but tax deferral instead.
If the government decides not to tax you for $100 today, but in return, taxes your children $110 in the future, is that a "tax cut"? Is that a more just result than if the government only taxed you $100 and did not tax your children the extra $110?
No Fatfuck, that’s a SPENDING problem. Not a TAXATION problem.
Like society hasn't already reached the tipping point--we're gonna be seeing mailmen, doctors, firemen, even dogcatchers spinning screens around if this happens.
Maybe IC checks are "tips"?
I was flabbergasted that Harris proposed this. When Trump pandered to the crowd in Nevada it was just a shrug. Just another bonehead promise we all know he wouldn't follow through on. I can't excplain why Harris proposed it. It's very divisive. Does she not get all those articles in her news aggregator about how people are fed up with tipping culture? Maybe she is one of thoise sanctimonious types who shame people while at the same time bragging about how much they tip. They are all fools. It's just a way for employers to outsource payroll decsions onto their customers. The more tipping culture increases the smaller my tips.
She IS divisive. Shes also incredibly stupid. Why do you think that 25 days into her candidacy and she hasn’t given a press conference or an interview? Her handler know goddamn well she cant even string a few sentences together coherently. Plus she has a lot to hide.
They’re going to hide her, just like Biden. Then they’ll keep throwing out these phony polls show her ahead so that when they cheat her in they can point to those polls saying her ‘victory’ was plausible.
If that happens, its time for a mass revolt.
Tipping is arguably an unfair practice begin with.
Imagine a waitress serving 3 tables that each produced a bill of 50-60 dollars. She essentially made min wage in CA for the labor of bringing out food. The kitchen actually made the food, but they could theoretically make way less for doing more work on a given day. And waitresses make min wage if tips don't add up to that baseline salary.
Tipping is also one of those "voluntary" things that are effectively mandatory. Not tipping is like a woman not wearing a hijab in some middle eastern country where that's allowed. Or you're that one guy in the Hallmark Christmas movie who wants to "skip" Christmas. You will be frowned upon by society in some way. So you do it out of moral obligation.
It’s been going on forever. You aren’t going to change it. And if you could change things, why wouldn’t you put efforts into something more important?
As a practice, tipping has its origins in Europe of the Middle Ages (a period which lasted from about 500 to 1,500 A.D.) when the wealthy would give people in lower classes extra money for their services, according to Kerry Segrave's “Tipping: An American Social History of Gratuities.”
Libertarians against tax cuts
"Lady, I'll snake out your drain for free. Just tip me a $50 bill."
That’s how people used to get cable.
Have you just discovered the underground economy?
I saw that movie.
Saying the waitress shouldn't get a tax break on tips because not everyone gets it is like saying you shouldn't get cured of cancer because some folks still die from it.
And it will cost the government???? I thought this was a libertarian publication.
That "low income" cashier would be making $16.35 an hour to make $34000 a year.
Walmart starts at $14 nationally and many places are lower. And that doesn't account for companies cutting hours to boost management wages (common at Walmart). So an actual cashier is probably closer to $25,000 a year
No matter who suggests no tax on tips it is a bad idea. The whole idea of a progressive income tax is that people pay in proportion to their income. Tipped workers are typically on the lower end of the pay scale and a properly operating progressive income tax should address that fact by taxing them less.
“Trump added $8 trillion to the debt”
KEEP LYING!!!
Here’s an idea. How about offsetting the tip-tax-cut with a Tariff?
After all; Aren’t foreign products getting Tip-Tax-Cuts or I mean Zero-Tariff fans already?
Clearly Tips aren't wages. If they were the customer would have to pay payroll tax, the tip would be set before service, and be mandatory. Tips aren't wages. If you think it will add to the deficit is of no consequence. It's not a wage. The restaurant owner pays the wage.
I know Trunk said it so it must be bad. Reason has TDS. Big time.
Tips might not be wages but they are income. Employers can pay a sub minimum wage if the employee receives tips expected to meet the minimum wage. Because Tips are income they should be reported on the income tax. They question become what amount of tips are taxed, because the absence of that money will add to the deficit.
And to think once upon a time there was no such thing as an “income tax” in the USA.
Seems all the “free” sh*t has a ‘bill’ after all.
A ‘bill’ for the product + a ‘bill’ for millions of bureaucrats that make nothing but misery.
These discussions are summarized by, "Who gets straddled with the ?free? sh*t bill."
Once upon a time just the foreign market paid for the foreign-invasion defense department. Why it almost made sense that way.
Fuck off, slaver.
-jcr
The restaurant owner pays the wage.
Fun fact: there's no such thing as an "employer contribution" to the payroll tax. Anything an employer has to pay for labor that doesn't end up in the employee's pocket is a tax on the employee. Fuck FDR and anyone else who ever pretended otherwise.
-jcr
NO.
FUCK YOU, ERIC BOEHM.
CUT SPENDING. It's not "the governments" money. IT'S MY MONEY.
Hear, hear!
-jcr
Now do carried interest and hedge funds
How much of tips are actually accurately reported and taxed anyway? 90%? 50%? 10%?
I don't know, but the number is definitely not 100%.
There's a reason I always tip in cash.
I support eliminating taxes on tips if there is a reduction in spending 10 times greater than the expected revenue from taxes on tips.
Frankly, I don't believe that taxes on tips is a large number and suspect that if the tip was in cash, it is doubtful that it was reported. To me it simplifies the tax code, it reduces taxes on at least some people, but what little is reported would be less revenue. Reduce spending by more than is anticipated, because you never know how much will be tipped or reported.
Even with reparations for slavery, use tax freedom, but reduce spending to offset the loss of revenue. Make sure that there are more reductions than the loss of revenue because we all know that government will cook the books. It would not directly benefit me other than the reduction in spending, but it would be worth it to have less taxes paid and less money flowing to government to waste.
Boehm has failed to provide any justification for opposing/denigrating Trump's tax break for tip income, of which most has never been reported (nor paid) to the IRS.
Why not treat honest tax payers (who have honestly reported and paid taxes on their tip income) the same as those who have never or rarely reported their tip income)?
would add to the deficit
NO IT WON'T, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
Spending more than they take in adds to the deficit. There is no revenue problem, and there hasn't been within living memory. There is a spending problem. There is a borrowing problem. There is a looting problem.
All tax cuts are a good thing, ALWAYS.
-jcr
Start cutting government spending. At least Trump is specific about ending the Department of Education, but still no further conversation about would programs go away or be moved to another department.
We need real reduction in the size of government. Then everyone's income can be taxed less.
Social Security, Medicare, and the military account for most federal government spending (and interest on the debt, of course). Everything else is change behind the sofa cushions. Anyone who isn’t proposing major cuts in those Big Three items is not serious about cutting spending. In fairness to Trump, education is #4, so also a good place to cut.
You're forgetting all the rest of the welfare.
Look, the US Government Spending breaks up into roughly five main blocks.
Medicare/Medicaid. Social Security. Other Welfare. DOD/OCO. Agency Spending/Interest.
Roughly put, they're about 20% each.
That means that 60% of the spending goes to some form of welfare (aka vote buying). 20% goes to running the actual federal government (most of which is questionable, because the agencies themselves are unnecessary). And 20% goes to DOD/OCO which is absolutely necessary (or, at least was, now that our military is weakening thanks to DEI, CRT, and LGBT pedo focus).
You don't have to touch the military at all (beyond wiping out the ultra-prog social/cultural rot that has zero place or function there). It's a drop in the bucket compared to the 80% spending that is welfare and agency slush.
There's always a genuine governmental need for more soldiers, guns, vehicles, and bombs. The rest? Not so much.
Gets even better when you consider where the government gets its money. In short, it taxes 60% and borrows 40%. You shut off the entitlement spigot, and you eliminate the need to borrow. You further cull the agencies and defund them, we start meaningfully paying down the debt. We pay off the debt - and everyone can take a nice deserved tax break.
It's so obvious - but nobody's willing to touch it because it's political suicide thanks to a society that abhors self-reliance and desires benevolent dictators.
"Unfair carve out"? Are you kidding? You mean somehow different vs the thousands of other carve outs for other taxpayers? How about the oil company tax breaks while they rake in record or profits?
And anyway the tips tax break means all that money will circulate back into the economy, as those folks typically SPEND IT ALL (unlike take breaks for the rich).
Babylon Bee:
Kamala Proposes $6K Aborted Baby Tax Credit
Neither of these two political whores will get this past congress, so it's an easy thing to walk past. It does beg the question, though...why just servers who are tipped? Why not cashiers? Hotel maids and front desk workers? Why not "poor" laborers, or ALL blue collar workers, like those $200k a year lifeguards in LA? Just quit taxing everyone who isn't part of some preferred voting bloc! We don't need the revenue! We're the richest country in the world!!