Trump and Vance's Foreign Policy Is More War Disguised As Anti-War
Despite flirting with “America First” realism and restraint, the Republican ticket is all-in on the forever wars.

From the headlines, you would think that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and his running mate J.D. Vance were committed to overthrowing the national security establishment.
"Trump Picking Vance Widens Rift With Foreign Policy Old Guard," reported Bloomberg.
"Trump's VP pick spells 'disaster' for Europe and Ukraine," fumed Politico.
For all of Trump's rhetoric about "endless wars" and Vance's attacks on "neoconservatives," however, the two politicians are all-in on some of the establishment's most destructive military adventures. And in some ways, Trump and Vance are even more hawkish than the baseline.
"A lot of people recognize that we need to do something with Iran—but not these weak little bombing runs," Vance said in a Fox News interview at the Republican National Convention on Monday. "If you're going to punch the Iranians, you punch them hard, and that's what [Trump] did when he took out [Iranian Gen. Qassem] Soleimani."
Vance praised Trump for trying to "enable the Israelis and the Sunni Arab states" to fight back against Iran. In a speech to the Quincy Institute in May, Vance tried to sell a U.S.-Israeli-Arab alliance as a way for the United States to "spend less time and less resources in the Middle East."
But that's exactly the strategy that got us here in the first place, and the proof is in the pudding. Trump's shows of force against Iran did not decisively end U.S.-Iranian conflict, nor did the Abraham Accords get Israel and the Arab states to pick up the military slack.
Instead, Trump ended up overseeing a massive U.S. military buildup in the region during his term and nearly went to war with Iran.
Vance even wants to add another counterinsurgency to America's "forever war" roster. In July 2023, he told NBC News that he would "empower the president of the United States, whether that's a Democrat or Republican, to use the power of the U.S. military to go after these drug cartels" in Latin America.
Washington is already heavily involved in that region's war on drugs, doling out support to Latin American militaries and border forces. Last year, several Republican candidates—including Trump himself—called for the United States to invade Mexico directly.
Trump and Vance also share the establishment view that the United States needs to get ready for a conflict with China over Taiwan. At the convention, Vance told Fox News that China is the "biggest threat" to America, and he has voiced support for building up the Taiwanese military with American weapons in the past.
To his credit, Vance has been a little more thoughtful about the risks of escalation than some other China hawks. "As a father of three young children, I really don't want to go to war with a country that makes all of our antibiotics," he said in his Quincy Institute speech. "So for the neoconservatives, maybe pump the brakes for at least 10 years."
The stance that puts Trump and Vance most at odds with the foreign policy establishment is their opposition to U.S. military aid for Ukraine. In a February speech to the Senate, Vance complained that the "experts have a new thing that American taxpayers must fund and must fund indefinitely, and it is called the conflict in Ukraine." He has also written about the munitions shortages that the war is causing, a rare moment of honesty by a politician about the limits of U.S. power.
Vance told Fox News at the convention that Trump will "go in there, negotiate with the Russians and the Ukrainians, [and] bring this thing to a rapid close." He also said that the war simply wouldn't have started if Trump were in office. Yet in practice, Trump's policies toward Russia and Ukraine were just as hawkish as those of his successor. In fact, Trump was the first U.S. president to send weapons to Ukraine—a fact that he bragged about at the time.
And tellingly, at the presidential debate in June, Trump blamed President Joe Biden's military withdrawal from Afghanistan for causing the Ukrainian conflict. "He was so bad with Afghanistan, it was such a horrible embarrassment," Trump said. "When [Russian President Vladimir] Putin saw that, he said, 'You know what? I think we're going to go in.'"
It's not really an argument against war—just a promise to be better at it than the last guy.
Many Democrats and Republicans want to have their cake and eat it too. They know that Americans are fed up with endless military conflict, but they want to make their opponents look weak. Liberal criticisms of Trump's foreign policy were just as incoherent as conservative criticisms of Biden's foreign policy.
But wanting to win harder is not a strategy. And America's problems are not simply a lack of gumption. Vance may be more willing to acknowledge the limits of U.S. power than his competition. When it comes to actually applying those insights, he falls far short.
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I give credit to Trump for not starting any new wars during his first term.
But that's no guarantee that he'll repeat that feat in his second. That's because the man has no principles. If he thinks a new war will benefit him, he'll start one.
Yes. You hate Trump so prefer your leftist narratives over factual evidence. We know.
Sarc is garbage, and he wants to be garbage. Fuck him.
Your comments sound very stupid and immature. Sarc's comment was pretty milktoast. You should recalibrate your whole belief system. You sound hysterical.
Stop samefagging your own posts, Sarc, you retarded drunken troll.
You sound hysterical.
That's because he his.
No, that would be you, along with your sock puppet.
You're not tricking anyone, Sarckles. A brand new name, that talks like you, shows up just to defend you? Lol.
Pretty sure I’d have to register with my credit card to get a new account. If I’m not going to do that to keep this account, what makes you think I’d do it for another account? Just to be a troll like you?
Because you dont have a history of already registered sock accounts? Lol.
His Heraclitus sock has been here for a while.
Pretty sure you've been trolling under a handful of socks since long before the paywall came up.
"milktoast"
It's Sarc. Only he would spell milquetoast that way.
Milktoast is the side served with the milksteak that Charlie from It's Always Sunny orders at restaurants.
Except sarc is garbage, so now you look very stupid.
Sock account detected.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Your such a fucking narrative-pushing idiot, Sarckles.
Just like Jeff and the fucking idiot writing the DNC propaganda above, you make all these assumptions without any evidence.
Throughout his 2016 campaign Trump said no more wars and he kept to that. How is that unprincipled?
Why would Trump think a new war will benefit him? Why would he start one? He’s shown absolutely no inclination before, even holding peace talks with guys he was verbally sparring with like Kim Jog Un months before.
You’re so utterly fucking dishonest. Go fuck yourself you propagandizing, lying piece of shit.
Nothing I said was dishonest. You’re the dishonest one. And Jesse is just plain stupid. You make a perfect pair. Like chocolate and peanut butter, thunder and lightning, or Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
NO. Fuck you, weasel troll.
You're not getting away with this.
How was Trump unprincipled in his war stance?
Why do you say Trump would think a new war will benefit him? Explain.
And why do you claim he start one? Explain yourself, troll.
How was Trump unprincipled in his war stance?
Because he stands for Trump.
Why do you say Trump would think a new war will benefit him? Explain.
I didn't.
And why do you claim he start one? Explain yourself, troll.
I didn't say that either.
Now you're being a Jesse and expecting me to defend things I never said.
Like I said, you two are a perfect pair. Between the two of you you almost have one brain.
In other words, you just want to insinuate these things.
Every sarc argument devolves into a handful of things.
Bald assertion
Leftist narrative
Ad hominem
Personal attacks
Right, he’s unprincipled………… BECAUSE HE’S TRUMP!
Thats the height of his intelligence. But he gets 4 jeff head pats for saying it.
It probably works like this……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI1ulJ87XOg&t=12s
Just substitute a morbidly obese dork for the Asian guy and a disheveled stinking hobo for Carter.
Funnier because I believe jeff admitted to being Asian. So just needs obesity.
And spot on sarc description.
So you have nothing to justify your claim.
As usual, you were trolling.
Trump kept his word about no new wars from the 2016 campaign. Vance actually crossed the floor in voting to end 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force, voting to remove troops from Niger, and voting to remove troops from Syria.
That is principled.
Now you’re being a Jesse and expecting me to defend things I never said.
Right up there in the very first comment, you drunken wretch.
Like I said, you two are a perfect pair. Between the two of you you almost have one brain.
Take your lips off Jeffy’s cock before you fire off that accusation, retard.
What I said what that if it suits him he will start a war. That also means that if it suits him he will not start a war. The point being that he will do whatever suits him because he’s a narcissist without any guiding principles.
What I did not say is that he will start a war or why he would start a war. That’s something Jesse would claim I said because he’s really fucking dumb. Are you that dumb, Tweetledee?
Nothing about this post makes sense (per usual for you).
There’s no logical test you can apply to this to determine if it’s valid. If there’s no war during his term, you can just say “Obviously it didn’t suit him” If there is one, you can say “See? It suited him to start this war.” You could make the same non-argument about literally any other president.
This is (partly) why people accuse you of being a non-serious person.
We are well past accusations at this point. We have plenty of evidence he is unserious. And quite fucking dumb.
Yeah, he and Jeffy just need to go. They are serial liars and just shit up every thread where they appear. Casting a dark shadow on all discussion. A very wide shadow in Jeffy’s case.
Plus, like Shrike, Jeffy is pro child grooming/molestation/mutilation. So he should never know a moment’s peace here. Neither should Shrike.
"What I said what that if it suits him he will start a war. That also means that if it suits him he will not start a war. The point being that he will do whatever suits him because he’s a narcissist without any guiding principles."
*Throws up hands in the air*
I don't know, folks. I just can't even...
sarcasmic
“How was Trump unprincipled in his war stance?
Because he stands for Trump.”
But how does that make him necessarily unprincipled? Seems it begs the question. If Trump is principled, then standing for himself is standing for his principles, makes him principled. If Trump is unprincipled, then standing for himself makes him unprincipled.
If Trump’s principles are anti-libertarian therefore wrong, like invading and doing asassinations in Mexico, then Trump being unprincipled is a feature not a bug, In that case, if he was principled, he'd be dangerous. May we be blessed with corrupt adversaries.
It's better someone be unprincipled than have evil principles.
“Why do you say Trump would think a new war will benefit him? Explain.”
“And why do you claim he start one? Explain yourself, troll.”
Here’s why – https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
It’s not just Trump. On this issue, it’s conservatives, in general – populist to neocon – they’re all in love with drug prohibition and the War on Drugs. And when there’s blowback into the United States, just like the 9/11 attacks were blowback for U.S. boots on the ground on Saudi “holy ground”, then both Republicans and Democrats will get together and enact the bi-partisan “Duper-duper Bi-partisan [UN]PATRIOT[IC) Act”. Good-bye Constitution, good-by Bill of Rights.
The social conservatives are just as arrogant and just as self-righteous as they ever were, both “popcons” (populist conservatives) and neocons. Don't think they wouldn't start a self-righteous war with Mexico over drugs.
This is not just Trump blustering and bullshitting. This urge to drug warmongering is dangerously widespread amongst conservatives, amongst Republicans overall.
Correction: should be "Super-Duper" not "Duper-duper".
“I know Trump didn’t do these things with the evidence I have, but im going to attack him because he may do the opposite because I sarc have declared him unprincipled” is pretty fucking stupid.
He hates Trump even more than he hates cops.
Well because he loves Capitol officers. True heros.
Wouldn't the obvious pro war Trump argument be protecting Israel if Arab states attacked? Trump would be more likely than Biden to send troops in that situation.
Although saying that out loud might get Trump more of the Jewish vote.
This would be Trump stealing the Jewish votes from the dems and you could expect theft charges from the NYS AG.
A question Biden's handler would never allow to be asked.
Would you send troops to defend Israel if Arab states attack?
Biden needs every young pro-hamas protester's vote to beat Trump.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
More like Trump didn't start any wars in his first term but Biden has set the world on fire so the next President will be forced to clean it up.
If I were ambitious, I'd bookmark all these articles and compare them to what comes out at the DNC convention.
Speaking of which ...
https://reason.com/volokh/2024/07/16/bidens-badly-flawed-new-housing-plan/
C'mon, Britches, don't let Ilya beat you to the punch. Or is today reserved for Trump?
What difference will it make? Dems are pushing to get Biden nominated using a "virtual convention" long before anyone shows up in Chicago to prevent the unseemly spectacle of people wanting him to go away. For a party constantly harping on how Trump is going to end Democracy the Dems sure are acting like Facists.
From what I understand, the Dems are having to do that because if they waited for the live convention, then they would be past the deadline to their candidate's name 9n the ballot in several states.
Entire Obama/Biden terms were Fascism disguised as AntiFascism
Fascism disguised as AntiFascism
Racism disguised as AntiRacism
Poverty disguised as AntiPoverty
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
The DNC reaction coverage is going to get completely derailed when Biden names Max Headroom to be his new VP. Not to mention the speculation over who's actually running the deepfake Biden that'll be coherent, energetic, and charismatic on all of the vitrual "convention" appearances.
These clown articles that attempt to undermine liberty by running interference for the Democrats are always bad, but claiming that Trump is a warmonger because he mocked Biden's Afghanistan debacle is stupid even by Reason standards.
We get it, Reason. You want the least liberty you can get.
"We get it, Reason. You want the least liberty you can get."
They want to be recognized by the desirable elites for their journalism chops and continue to get invited to DC cocktail parties and to go on Bill Maher. You don't get that unless you "reluctantly" hold your nose and vote blue.
If you vote red, you will be the next threat to democracy, alt-right, far right, extremist nazi rag. Your basically hitler.
They know what incentives are out there
Least liberty, but most libertine.
Anti-libertine - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
None of the in crowd will treat you seriously, or invite you to cocktail parties, if you're not anti Trump.
It is pretty ridiculous. Essentially, they're saying, "Although the establishment warmongers are opposed to Trump/Vance because they're insufficiently warmongering, they're actually warmongers. So, you should vote for the warmongers instead."
“Although the establishment warmongers are opposed to Trump/Vance because they’re insufficiently warmongering, they’re actually warmongers. So, you should vote for the warmongers instead.”
Which was essentially their case for "the adults in the room" in 2016 and 2020.
It's logic. But not as we know it.
It's logical if you assume their imperative is to promote the Democratic Party instead of libertarianism.
They don’t even know what the fuck they’re talking about at this point. TDS + the last 72 hours hasn’t been good to the Cosmo editorial staff at Reason.
"undermine liberty"
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
This is a weird reach after T's first term...
It is - so much so that Sarc realized it above, and no one has accused him of being a Trump apologist any time recently.
In a sea of retarded articles, this one manages to stand out.
You should really shorten that to "retarticles". Which would be a good rebranding for Reason.
You need to copyright that term immediately. Don't say you were not warned.
"retardicles"?
Maybe this one, maybe not - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Quite a reach. Clinton, Obama and Biden have all started conflict and gotten the US embroiled. Trump is the only one of the 4 that did not. To suddenly start the "he is a warmonger" talk is rather silly but much of the rhetoric around Trump is silly.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
The historical record is clear. Trump is nowhere near the warmonger that his predecessors and successor are. And it's interesting that Reason is determined to make the case that the Vice President will be in charge of domestic or foreign policy. If you have a problem with Trump go for it. Vance is irrelevant.
They're just throwing everything they can to see if it sticks.
An exercise in futility against Teflon Don.
if it sticks
This should stick - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Trump is nowhere near the warmonger that his predecessors and successor are
Three world wars in the span of four years beg to differ.
The historical record is clear. Trump is nowhere near the warmonger that his predecessors and successor are.
I used to think that. But with Trump’s anti-libertarian threats to send special operations squads or regular military into Mexico to take out – kill or capture, drone strike, bomb – “drug lords” who are Mexican citizens in Mexico, raises alarm. Why? Because, it’s not just Trump unseriously bullshitting; it’s Vance, Scott, and many other conservatives. It makes me fear that if the Republicans get power, they’ll start a self-righteous war with Mexico. Considering the intensity of conservatives’ self-righteousness (actually, false-righteousness), it’s not an unreasonable nor unrealistic nor unfounded fear. The only thing worse than a war with Mexico would be war with a nuclear power like China or Russia. People don’t realize just how nasty it could get.
I have a solicitation from the Trump campaign on my desk, right now. I was thinking of sending him several hundred dollars for his campaign because I thought it imperative that he be elected in the face of Democratic political prosecution, to send a message to Democrats that political prosecution is an unacceptable threat to freedom and democracy.
But, now I’m as afraid of Trump as I am of the Democrats. So, that money and my vote, that I was going to give to Trump to teach the Democrats a lesson, will likely now go to the Libertarian, Oliver, if I think he’ll siphon votes from Trump. Trump needs to repudiate his drug warmonger position before he’ll get my support or vote.
Imagine the oppressive legislation once the blowback of Trump's drug war occurs. Once Trump's drug war spills back into the U.S. they'll pass legislation much worse than the UNPATRIOTIC ACT. Potential blowback of Trump's drug war - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
For all of Trump’s rhetoric about “endless wars” and Vance’s attacks on “neoconservatives,” however, the two politicians are all-in on some of the establishment’s most destructive military adventures. And in some ways, Trump and Vance are even more hawkish than the baseline.
What hot garbage. There’s been absolutely nothing to indicate this from either Trump or Vance’s political history or statements over the last 25 years.
Meanwhile, as chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, Biden was the chief Democratic Party cheerleader for the Iraq war and was all in on Barry’s Libya misadventure. He pumped for the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia and Gulf War 1, and although he got five deferrals he supported Johnson’s Vietnam war until long after and it wasn’t cool. But does Reason write a pants wetting article on that?
No, of course not.
Because it’s the anti-war candidate who’s the real warmonger.
Fucking clown.
Hey, at least Brandon and his fellow peace loving Neo-Con friends aren’t trying to get us in a war with Russia, mkay?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Fucking clown.
That's a feature not a bug. Biden’s doddering dementia will inhibit any warmongering tendencies or abilities. He would have to be focused enough to work with military planners to plan out and competently execute military plans for war as commander in chief. The military is not likely to want to work with someone as incompetent as Biden to come up with workable plans, especially not against a nuclear power like Russia. So, Biden’s dementia is a feature, not a bug.
Also, having doddering dementia, Biden is a lot less likely to be able to form specific intent and specific plans to invade any nation or militarily intervene.
Again, Biden's doddering dementia is a feature, not a bug.
Initiative. Thst's the word for which I'm searching. Doddering Dementia Joe is far less likely to have the initiative to mount military adventures in foreign lands.
Still again, it's a feature, not a bug.
According to Stormy Donnie’s war boner is shaped like a little mushroom.
What's Joe's look like? Did you ask his daughter?
If we're going with mushroom analogies, I bet Old Joe's looks like a dried morel and when he cums it's like a puffball, just a cloud of dust.
So, no stains on a blue dress?
It's hard to tell how hard I'm laughing because of all the vomiting.
Two recent pearls of wisdom from Robert Byrd's Butplug:
"I suspect some MAGA type was playing with his gun and it went off."
"A “bullet” did not graze his ear. It was broken shards from the teleprompter."
Shrike, how do those little boys you rape describe your pathetic little twig?
"Stormy Donnie" is actually kinda funny.
Libertarian site posts article critical of non-libertarian politician, non-libertarians whine. Shocker.
It is a disingenuous, false article but since that is also your style, Shrike Zero, no surprise you're on here sea lioning.
"Shrike Zero"
What brand still contains cyclamate?
Sweet N low in Canada and Europe but not the US.
Sweet N low Shrike
Better than "stevia shrike" at least.
Credit for shrike zero - best variant since guvna shrike.
But this isn't sea-lioning.
Disingenuous? False? – https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Libertarian writers reluctantly and strategically vote for President and Party that's for more war, undisguised as more war.
more war
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
In key Senate votes on war, Vance joined Bernie & Markey in:
⊛Voting to end 2001 AUMF
(9 total, incl. Baldwin, Warren)
⊛Voting to remove troops from Niger
(11 total, incl. Kaine, Welch, Merkley)
⊛Voting to remove troops from Syria
(13 total, incl. Murphy, Durbin, Wyden)
https://x.com/ErikSperling/status/1813290181123797086
I’ll take someone’s actual voting record than some propagandists propaganda.
Thanks for the list. I thought about searching that but too lazy.
You should write for Reason
No lie. I'm getting quite disillusioned with the caliber of stories being put up. They should just be labeled Commentary and be done with it.
How to misrepresent what Vance meant. He meant hard strikes when it makes sense but no more open ended, winless military commitments. I mean Trump and Vance are saying what the LP supposedly has stood for on foreign policy/war for decades and suddenly we're told that this makes them secretly war mongers. Fuck off.
"no more open ended, winless military commitments"
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
"Trump Picking Vance Widens Rift With Foreign Policy Old Guard," reported Bloomberg.
this is a selling point.
The only no war guy in my lifetime is now all war? Just shut up.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Blah blah. Same as last time. No wars last time. Wars with the bullshit, quiet talkers before and after. No evidence it will be an issue this time. Shut up, and worry about something real.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
...Trump blamed President Joe Biden's military withdrawal from Afghanistan for causing the Ukrainian conflict. "He was so bad with Afghanistan, it was such a horrible embarrassment," Trump said. "When [Russian President Vladimir] Putin saw that, he said, 'You know what? I think we're going to go in.'"
I doubt that was specifically Putin's reasoning. But, his larger point is actually legitimate. Teddy Roosevelt was right when he advised to "Speak softly and carry a big stick" (It's just a shame he was utterly terrible at following this same advice). Ideally, if you want to maintain peace, you bring combination of power/competence and non-aggressive intentions to the table. That says, "I wont' f**k with you, but you better not f**k with me." In that context, getting chased out of Afghanistan like the Three Stooges by a gang of 7th century goat hearders, rather than an orderly withdrawal, probably did signal weakness on America's part.
Biden did botch Afghanistan causing nearly $100 Billion of equipment to be left there arming terrorists and costing the lives of men and woman. He compounded that ineptness by telling the world that he would ignore a small incursion by Russia into Ukraine giving Putin the green light and is now throwing an endless stream of money into one of the most corrupt places on Earth with no accounting for how it is spent. A place his family and Dem have gotten rich off. So there is that.
“I wont’ f**k with you, but you better not f**k with me.”
Words of wisdom for us to remember.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
How disingenuous can you be? "Trump blamed President Joe Biden's military withdrawal from Afghanistan for causing the Ukrainian conflict." But not for the fact of it, which, you'll recall, was originally arranged by Trump. Rather, for the delays and the attempt to make a show of it with advance announcements and historic date, leading to a bad, rushed withdrawal leaving equipment behind and causing harm to those who relied on US promises.
As I said, "getting chased out of Afghanistan like the Three Stooges by a gang of 7th century goat hearders"
I like it.
How disingenuous can you be?
They have another three and a half months to show us. We ain't seen nothing yet.
Neither Trump or Vance are perfect, but they are both a darn sight better than Biden and Harris. Personally, I will not be voting for any of them, but understand that one or the other will win realistically. Trump is less of a warmonger than Biden and it's not even close.
What better option is there? Oliver is a leftist joke masquerading as a libertarian. The other third party candidates are just leftists.
Giant Meteor.
>>the proof is in the pudding
ya ... the first term derp.
Other than intervention in the drug wars, none of Trump's foreign policy outlined here is an indication of a "forever wars" agenda.
Military buildup is not war. Iran is a terrorist state and avowed enemy of American and Israel. Read the Al Jazeera (ugh) article you linked. The ships that beefed up the gulf are capable to shooting down Iranian missiles. That was precaution for Trump taking out Solmeni, and Iran didn't harm any or our military personnel until Biden took office.
No, Trump didn't singlehandedly end the middle east conflict. But his "hawkish" stance kept at bay several disasters that unfolded during the Biden years. "I'm hitting you hard if you touch us or any of our allies" is something that needs to said to lunatics.
Indulge me for a minute - how many Israelis, Palestinians, Ukrainians and Russians would be alive today if Trump was president? Let's say Putin and Hamas bought into the narrative that Trump was a crazy warmonger. Putin claimed Biden would be more "understanding" of his position. Meaning he thought Biden was Obama 2.0.
Non interventionism is a good foundation for peace. That's not an argument for being blind to the realities of the world.
I’m surprised Al Jazeera has time to publish such articles while guarding Hamas’ hostages.
You are confusing them with the UN.
And the AP.
There's a video online of a US rep who was in the room when Trump was negotiating with the Taliban about the withdrawal from Afghanistan. The story is Trump lays out the schedule and tells the Taliban leader it's a done deal but if you kill a single American you are a dead man. The translator steps back and Trump says tell him exactly what I said. He then pulls a satellite photo of the guy's house out of his pocket and hands it to the guy. Elon Musk saw the story on X and responded "based". I'll post the link when I can get on my laptop.
"The story is Trump lays out the schedule and tells the Taliban leader it’s a done deal but if you kill a single American you are a dead man. "
The Taliban were no longer interested in killing Americans by this point. ISIS, on the other hand, was a different story. ISIS killed plenty of Americans, and continued doing so right up until America's withdrawal. Meanwhile US and Taliban fighters worked shoulder to shoulder providing security for an orderly withdrawal and a quick and easy Taliban takeover of Kabul.
Trump's promise to make sure that all military equipment would be withdrawn along with personnel would have great cost and given the military the wiggle room to prolong their stay in Afghanistan indefinitely.
Does anyone think Trump would be building an aid pier for Hamas while they hold 5 American citizens hostage?
"Let’s say Putin and Hamas bought into the narrative that Trump was a crazy warmonger. "
The article here is an attempt to debunk the narrative that Trump is antiwar. As far as I know, there is no narrative that Trump is a crazy warmonger, and his term in office also shows otherwise.
"That’s not an argument for being blind to the realities of the world."
The realities of the world is that the US has become a paper tiger, capable of murdering an Iranian general but little else of consequence. The idea that Putin would have accepted NATO expansion into Ukraine, or Palestinians embrace their status as sub humans under Israel out of respect or fear of what Trump might do is ludicrous.
Good for Biden protecting the environment by culling so many white people
indication of a “forever wars” agenda.
We could have a forever war on our own soil - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Trump and Vance's Foreign Policy Is More War Disguised As Anti-War
*facepalm*
Oh yeah, I almost forgot: LOL *snort*
Donnie did rachet up the drone strikes to an unprecedented level.
Of course not one of his Cultists will acknowledge that.
You would rather have a nuclear war if it meant keeping Trump out of office.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Seems like Trump avoided getting the US into wars during his first term. The high level meetings with Russia and North Korea seemed to keep them in line too. He briefly appointed warmonger John Bolton as National Security Advisor, but came to his senses in time and avoided a bigger war with Iran, sending them a rather clear message with the hit on the Iranian general.
"Seems like Trump avoided getting the US into wars during his first term."
Not really. Trump increased spending on military and continually brow beat NATO members to do the same. He chose to remain fighting in Afghanistan despite promises to withdraw, even increasing troop levels. None of the dozens of US bases in NATO countries closed, none in Africa, none in the Middle East. US proxies continue wars of aggression as before - Ukraine against Donbas, Israel against Palestine, Saudi against Yemen. Sabre rattling against China and Latin America. Some of the nations subject to US economic sanctions:
Afghanistan
The Balkans
Belarus
Burma
Central African Republic
China
Cuba
Democratic Republic of Congo
Ethiopia
Hong Kong
Iran
Iraq
Lebanon
Libya
Mali
Nicaragua
North Korea
Russia
Somalia
Sudan
South Sudan
Syria
Ukraine
Venezuela
Yemen
Zimbabwe
True, Trump doesn't seem to have started any new wars. He didn't manage to end any either. Essentially we see a seamless transition from Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden. It's not a record to boast about.
Nope. Trump actually had a plan to have an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan and it was in the works. Orderly and safe. Brandon came into office and day 1 blew the entire thing up as is his inclination to do to everything. Do not try and rewrite history.
"Trump actually had a plan to have an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan and it was in the works."
A plan to withdraw is not the same thing as a withdrawal. It was actually under Biden that the withdrawal took place according to plans drawn up by Trump and Obama before him.
And let's not forget the increased funding Trump lavished on the military, the economic sanctions that he didn't revoke, the dozens of overseas military bases he didn't close, and the proxy wars he encouraged. All in all, business as usual for any recent president - nothing to boast about.
It was already negotiated, you stupid faggot. Stop lying.
No, it was not, you pathetic fag. Trump is not antiwar. His stance on Israel is arguably worse than that of genocide Joe. Trump promised to withdraw from Afghanistan but it was Biden that delivered. Hardly a record to boast about.
Holy Nazi retard. Only mNaziman could come up with nonsense like this.
I'm not the one claiming Trump is the antiwar candidate.
I know, because you're a full of shit, champing at the bit Nazi shit-eater.
I disagree. I have never champed.
Regardless, you’re an inveterate liar. You lack any integrity. Which is likely a point of pride for a devout democrat such as yourself. Your kind are intrinsically evil.
"Regardless, you’re an inveterate liar. You lack any integrity."
Maybe if I ran for office you'd be voting for me. Thanks for your support.
Wasn't there some official change in the status of the "cease fire" status between the US and NK?
I'm not aware of that. I was hoping for a formal end to the Korean war, but the talks never amounted to anything. Even so, I can see Trump being more willing to sit down with Hamas, and if their representatives are sufficiently deferential and impressive, perhaps a deal can be struck. I don't see the same thing happening with Biden, who, after almost a year of hostilities, still hasn't had any direct contact with Hamas, despite multiple meetings, huggings and kissings with Netanyahu.
Nobody talks to Hamas because there's really no point to doing so; they're still a group which, according to their own charter, exists for the express purpose of carrying out exactly the kinds of things for which Israel is now being accused of "genocide" (in quotes because the term has been defined-down so far from what it was originally created to describe).
Then there's the question of whether anyone in the region (other than maybe the Iranian theocracy, whose endgame is to re-establish an Islamic "caliphate" extending from South Asia to the Mediterranean Sea) wants Hamas involved in any kind of diplomacy. If the population in Gaza still wanted to be represented by that group, there'd have been at least one election held in the area since 2006, something like 60% of the population of Gaza literally can't remember when Hamas was elected to "govern" the Arab population in the Strip. Not to mention the questions about whether the other militant groups in that area such as PIJ would abide by any agreements which Hamas actually entered into.
This is what could happen under the Republicans - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
You know why we keep getting these ridiculous "stories"? The same reason Dems are so hysterical over Trump and impeached him twice. Remember one was over a phone call to Ukraine where Trump was poking around trying to find out what the hell Biden and Dems were doing over there? Trump is going to demand answers again and the gravy train that has made many politicians rich is going to be exposed. Just what was our entire State Department doing in Ukraine? What are they doing everywhere? That is the question and the first place Trump needs to clean house.
Trump and Vance's Foreign Policy Is More War Disguised As Anti-War
Definitely in the running for top 10 stupidest things written in 2024.
Ya think this is stupid? I don't. If the enemy is within range of you, then you're within range of the enemy - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Trump’s lack of war mongering is one of the better things about him and he was better than any other president dem or rep on this. Still, I wouldn’t trust him not to start one if he thought it would benefit him.
I wouldn’t trust him not to start one if he thought it would benefit him.
Especially this - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
"Liberal criticisms of Trump's foreign policy were just as incoherent as conservative criticisms of Biden's foreign policy"
That's bound to be the result when the hard core partisans on both sides try to pretend there were notable differences between GWB, Obama, trump and Biden in terms of most major policy categories.
Arrogant self-righteous conservatives don’t think there will be blowback. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-proposed-attacks-mexican-cartels-could-lead-american-casualties-2023-09-22/
Once, the above happens, both conservatives and liberals will enact “The Super-Duper UNPATRIOTIC Act”. Good-bye Constitution and good-bye Bill of Rights.
The number of fools burping and grunting and snorting and whining and passing wind here is ass-stounding. Stale phrases like "forever wars", all the crap about use of military power as "war mongering", the USA is always the one "starting wars". We get a lot of noise by Petti on this topic, growning and complaining endlessly. How about some substance? I have a right to expect this of Petti, the writer here. Not so much from the Trumpy.Anti-Trumpy profession fools who post here..... So Petti. How much military power does the US need/should have? When/where might it be used, if it should ever be used at all? Should it be discarded? Would peace appear magically like the tooth fairy, living you a couple of bucks cuz you put your decayed teeth under your pillow before going to sleep? ..... Ok, I am ranting here-- much in the style of the professional fools posting here. But I do want to hear what people think the correct policy should be on the use of hard power, or if it should ever be used. The sewer rats who govern Russia certainly think they know....