Stop Blaming the Attempted Assassination on Heated Anti-Trump Rhetoric
Biden's bullseye comment was no more dangerous than Sarah Palin's crosshairs.

A consensus is swiftly forming among Republican politicians, activists, and media figures that the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump can be blamed on the heated, occasionally violent anti-Trump rhetoric deployed by President Joe Biden, leading Democrats, and mainstream media pundits.
This is a deeply cynical and misguided tactic—and Republicans are well aware of it, since they have rightly criticized their political opponents for doing the exact same thing.
"Today is not just some isolated incident," wrote Sen. J.D. Vance (R–Ohio), Trump's pick for vice president, on X (formerly Twitter). "The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempted assassination."
Conservative author Ben Shapiro said that likening Trump to Adolf Hitler—an action taken by "nearly everyone on the Left, up to and including the current president"—had increased the likelihood of political violence. Reps. Lauren Boebert (R–Colo.) and Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) blamed anti-Trump rhetoric for the shooting.
"To the media," said Greene. "This is your fault."
Conservatives also specifically faulted Biden for recently promising to "put Trump in a bullseye." Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R–La.) flagged this comment in a recent interview with Anderson Cooper, insisting that such rhetoric has consequences. (Cooper pointed out that Trump had just recently used heated rhetoric, calling Biden a threat "to the survival and existence of our country." Johnson replied that "everybody is prone to overstatement.")
Asserting that Biden's bullseye comment had anything to do with political violence is obviously ridiculous. Moreover, Republicans know that it is ridiculous. In fact, they rightly criticized The New York Times and other media outlets for embracing the preposterous idea that former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was morally responsible for the attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords. The accusation against her was remarkably similar: The media seized on a map, circulated by her political action committee, that placed target crosshairs over Giffords' district. There is no evidence whatsoever that Giffords' shooter ever saw the map or that he was influenced by Republican rhetoric or even motivated by conservative ideas at all.
It is absolutely fair to call out the double standard. It's true mainstream media wholly embraced the idea that Republicans are to blame for political violence because of things like the crosshairs on the map but said nothing critical about Biden's bullseye comment. But Republicans like Vance aren't calling out that double standard—they are participating in it. They are doing the same thing from the other side: blaming political violence on Democratic rhetoric.
It's true that both parties, their activists, and their acolytes in the media could all benefit the country if they turned down the overheated rhetoric. Routine accusations that such-and-such political leader is a fascist, or Hitler, or a communist, or a dictator are not making things better for anyone. But words do not have some hypnotic power to induce others to commit violence. As always, when a deranged person takes up a gun and attacks someone, we should blame that individual—not other people's words.
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I want to see a detailed article, anywhere, that explains, using charts and graphs, why assassinating Adolf Hitler would have been wrong.
Ask Sarcasmic and Jeff. They said that you're not allowed to be mean to Nazis.
idjit
A well constructed argument.
Your alcohol induced brain shrinkage appears to have accelerated.
This is a very weird comment coming from you. First you claim (incorrectly) that I carelessly throw around Nazi accusations as an epithet, and now you claim (incorrectly) that I said that 'you're not allowed to be mean to Nazis'. So which is it - am I accusing everybody of being Nazis, or am I stupidly protecting Nazis?
Why, it's almost as if you just make up shit and throw it against the wall to see what sticks.
Here's the thing. Trump called Communists and Nazi's "vermin" and you two clowns have spent the last several months pretending that was the most terrible thing ever.
Probably it hits you, because you are a Nazi, Jeff. In the literal, not figurative sense of the word.
Here is liberals calling conservatives vermin for far longer than Jeff's complaint. Jeff has been given this link a half dozen times. Jeff is a dishonest piece of shit.
https://x.com/0rf/status/1732746683274932259
People got ass blasted because he included communist. If he had left it at Nazi’s, the left would have been spending the last several months crowing that “he called his supporters vermin to their faces and they’ll still vote for him!”
Your new line of attack against those who object to paraphrasing Hitler is to accuse them of saying don’t be mean to Nazis?
Man, every time I think we’ve reached Peak Stupid you set a new bar.
And sarc continues with Trump paraphrased Hitler nonsense while claiming he isnt a leftist. Lol.
Can't make this shit up.
You’re an anti Trump rageaholic. You just don’t like being called on your bullshit.
They are fellow citizens, regardless of their political beliefs. I don't want any politician to be declaring any citizens to be unpersons. Do you?
pretending that was the most terrible thing ever
As the argument goes, it's only a matter of time before this type of rhetoric inspires a mass shooting, right?
As the argument goes, it’s only a matter of time before this type of rhetoric inspires a mass shooting, right?
I’m sure ML and the gang will call it chemotherapy, as in getting rid of cancer. Or maybe pest control, as in getting rid of vermin. Or perhaps they’ll call it antibiotics, as in cleansing the blood of the nation. One thing they will not call it is murder.
Not a drop of blood need be spilled. Just get out. America is for Americans, not Marxists. Nor the illegals you and Fatfuck are bringing here by the millions.
So just leave, in peace.
This is working well for you two. Doubling down on harmful leftist rhetoric while claiming you aren't leftists.
You two are doing great. But can you slow down? Boommark folder is getting long.
I wonder how much it will take to finally get rid of them?
Jeff will die of a heart attack soon. Sarc of liver failure.
"But can you slow down? Boommark folder is getting long."
You really need a better hobby
Plumbing, sarc.
That’s what we call it.
Flushing out the sewage.
You don't believe in citizenship. Citizenship requires an acknowledgement of borders and that the citizens of a country get to decide who enters.
And non citizens have no right to vote.
Make that lifetime welfare scroungers as well.
No one on unearned government benefits should get to vote. That includes:
food stamps
welfare
business subsidies of any kind
Does not include:
SS
earned pension
genuine disability
Only citizens have a right to vote. People here illegally should be sent back to where they came.
You realize your old posts don't disappear, right?
They really don't. They honestly think everything disappears the second they switch narratives.
Those claims are literally why I started bookmarking their comments. Both jeff and sarc are sociopathic liars. Even when given links and direct quotes they claim we are lying about them. It is amazing.
Hitler survived 15 assassination attempts so Trump has 14 to go.
This was at least the 3rd against Trump.
Everyone knows that when you kill Hitler, something even worse happens.
People starting to fight back. Even in California.
Good for them. Citizens have to do this because the elite won't let the police.
The assassination attempt was the responsibility of the assassin alone.
But you do remember Palin being accused of putting bullseyes on a map and being responsible for Gifford’s attempted assassination. You must remember Biden et all “targeting” Trump, he had to be “taken out”, all that rhetoric? Yeah, payback’s a bitch.
ETA Fuck it. Politicians suck. Politics suck. Government sucks. Picking on one side, now, when you didn't pick on the other, before, sucks.
No, that was (D)ifferent.
By slugging his face (Robert De Niro), by decapitation (Kathy Griffin, Marilyn Manson), by stabbing (Shakespeare in the Park), by clubbing (Mickey Rourke), by shooting ( Snoop Dogg), by poisoning (Anthony Bourdain), by bounty killing (George Lopez), by carrion eating his corpse (Pearl Jam), by suffocating (Larry Whilmore), by blowing him up (Madonna, Moby), by throwing him over a cliff (Rosie O’Donnell), just by generic “killing” him (Johnny Depp, Big Sean), or by martyring him (Reid Hoffman: “Yeah, I wish I had made him an actual martyr.”).
All (D)ifferent.
Whats amazing is nobody is blaming the rhetoric in isolation, we are pointing out the false cries from the left about Trump are false and reactionary.
On top of that the violence on the left is celebrated and more apparent. However the narrative even this site pushes is the violence on the right. The left even riots when they won elections for fucks sake. BLM riots, scalise shooting, multiple drivers running into conservative groups in 2019, free palestine, clean energy protestors.
Yet Robbie and rest of reason constantly attacks the violence of the right then start making shit excuses like he does here.
From punch a nazi to murders in Seattle, all excused. But then look at their coverage of J6.
But corporate media set the narrative. Next week we will see the Reason article saying Trump was the cause of increased rhetoric and violence.
A lot of Trump supporters are blaming Biden for saying Trump should be "put in the crosshairs." But the same people thought "targeting" Giffords had no contribution to her shooting. Which it probably didn't, but people should be consistent. The shooters in both cases are the people responsible.
I think a lot of it is turning the tables against dem accusations for the last 7 years. But in this case we do have people openly calling for the assassination of Trump which is a different thing than crosshairs on a map.
On top of that the left has largely excused their violence and even joined bail funds for the violence on their side. Applauding and elevating BLM/Free Palestine and other violent acts. Then the entire denial of Antifa and use of DoJ and FBI resources to criminalize political opposition.
Lying, radical, Marxist, violent cunts gotta be, well, you know.
The made the standard, it's only fair to hold them to it.
Well, he incited an assassination attempt. By being basically Hitler. Also, he’s responsible for the death of the man behind him by not stopping the bullet. He’s responsible for murder of the assassin because his protection detail got around to shooting that guy after he got his rifle sighted in. Expect charges against Donald Trump for all of those.
In the real world, JD Vance has it right:
“The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs,” he tweeted. “That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.
Twenty years of mainstream Communists, er Democrats, calling Republicans Nazis has created an environment where the Left regularly tries to kill people even kind of on the right. Steve Scalise, Kavanaugh, Trump 3 times.
He also killed Shannon Doherty by not dying and being the 3rd for the rule of 3.
I don't pay attention to celebrities, so I don't know who the others were. I guess that's one more item to add to the indictment.
"The media seized on a map, circulated by her political action committee, that placed target crosshairs over Giffords' district"
I was a printer for 20 years. The mark on the map was an ordinary register mark mark used in pretty much every multicolor printed piece. They usually end up being trimmed off the finished product. Whoever designed the piece probably thought the mark would be a handy way to draw attention to that section of the map. Probably a bad choice but in no way related to firearms.
I suspect a lot of Trump supporters are pointing out Biden's words there, but I doubt many are blaming them per se. I suspect that if they're going that route, they're blaming the previous 8 years of constant absolutely unhinged rhetoric from the left.
I'm not normally a fan of blaming things on words, and I'm certainly not saying that anything should specifically be done about it, but if there was an 8 year period where a significant fraction of the country was talking continuously about lynching black people, and then a black guy got lynched, I might at least consider the possibility that the verbiage may have played a role in that.
Records show that Loughner was registered as an independent and voted in 2006 and 2008, but not in 2010.[37][38]
Loughner's high-school friend Zach Osler said, "He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn't listen to political radio; he didn't take sides; he wasn't on the Left; he wasn't on the Right."[18]
Loughner's was mentally ill no doubt. Who was targeting Giffords though?
The Giffords shooter was left wing. Crazy, but left wing.
Facts matter:
https://time.com/archive/6916936/what-motivated-giffords-shooter/
There was literally one person saying that in HS he was liberal and left. Hardly qualifies as definitive or up-to-date as of the time of the shooting.
And no one could find any evidence of right wing leanings. Don't pretend CNN and Time magazine didn't try.
He shot her because she was mean to him. Brain damaged people act that way. I'll keep an eye out for ya.
In Pennsylvania and probably other States, Democrats are encouraged to register as Republicans in order to influence the choice of the Republican candidate in the Primary Election. During the 2022 Primary, Democrat PAC's were funding commercials for Dr. Oz. I've said before that I find it amazing that the shooter's voter registration information was made public so quickly, even on a Sunday. Any bets on how fast we would have found that out if he was a registered Democrat?
He did donate to progressive causes.
As far a changing registration to vote in Republican primaries, the Communists do that everywhere. Liz Cheney was publicly asking them to do that for her. Where I live, the Communists had an open push to their members to vote in the Republican primary to try to beat Lauren Boebert. According to state records they got about 20k people to do so.
But he was following Palin's orders, so that makes him MAGA.
A huge difference is the chorus of voices from the MSM vilifying Trump in the most extreme terms.
The assassination attempt was the responsibility of the assassin alone.
But there is virtually zero discussion here or elsewhere trying to truly figure out anything about the shooter. So that statement is viewed as mere pablum here. Even though 'truth' will obviously be more difficult and murky because he's dead.
There is a lot of discussion/conspiracy/etc related to generic political shit that could have been posted weeks ago. That has nothing to do with the shooting – but has everything to do with the sameoldsameold. Where the only effect of the shooting is to ratchet the heat up to eleventyeleven.
Even though ‘truth’ will obviously be more difficult and murky because he’s dead.
I suspect if there was a manifesto, there would probably be every attempt to make sure it remained hidden.
You know, for copyright reasons...
Well of course. The most diabolical conspiracies are the ones that lack any evidence whatsoever.
It just shows how wide and deep the conspiracy goes!
Yeah, because its not like there has been a concerted effort to keep a shooter's manifesto under raps or anything, right?
TBF, I seem to remember 2chili calling out the target bullshit narrative.
"The assassination attempt was the responsibility of the assassin alone."
At some level, this is true.
At another level, a 20-year old in a leftist family/social circle/school environment could potentially have been subjected to ranting about trump being an "existential threat to the United States" who needed to be stopped "by any means necessary" since before he was a teenager.
In a part of the country where hunting is a popular activity, and where the public schools have varsity "shooting teams", the Secret Service should never have allowed for a rooftop with a direct line of sight to the stage and which was only 400 ft away to be outside of their controlled perimeter. There are likely a relatively large number of people in that county (and many of the adjacent counties) in western PA who could have made a shot like that from 300-400 meters away with a larger caliber bolt-action hunting rifle if their optics were sited in properly; larger/faster bullets would be less susceptible to wind than the lower energy round from the AR15 that was used.
Soave is dead wrong.
Biden quickly acknowledged that he has been helping to incite violence against Trump by removing all of his tv, radio, social media ads that lied about and demonized Trump within minutes after Trump was shot.
That was the Democrats sole strategy to win the election (i.e. repeatedly defaming, demonizing and slandering Trump to confuse and scare uninformed Americans).
The fact that MSDNC didn't air the Morning Joe this morning is tacit admittance that the show was one big demagoguery fest.
Without a doubt. If you truly believe you are on the right side, and not a bunch of lying, pandering, shills, you don't cancel your primary outlet to dispense your views.
Didn't Morning Joe ponder out loud why someone couldn't take out Trump?
Biden quickly acknowledged that he has been helping to incite violence against Trump by removing all of his tv, radio, social media ads that lied about and demonized Trump within minutes after Trump was shot.
Or it could be - hear me out - that moments after an attempted assassination is not an appropriate time to be trying to make a political argument.
But I know, I know, when "They" do something, it is always in bad faith with bad intentions.
Do you really see "Vote for me because the other guy is evil and needs to be destroyed" as a political argument?
It seems more like the argument you make when you are an empty suit and have nothing of value to offer.
Well jeff does in fact have nothing to offer. Ever.
Seems like Soave and most other Trump haters also believe it would perfectly OK to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater if Trump was in the audience) but not if they, their family members or friends were in the audience.
The dozens of false accusations that demonize Trump (made by Biden, and repeated by many/most other Trump hating Democrats and left wing media propagandists (who have also lied about Biden's mental health for the past four years) have been carefully evaluated, researched and polled (before they are included in Biden ads and speeches) in order deceive, enrage and anger uninformed Americans to hate Trump (and subsequently vote for Biden).
While its Biden's only strategy to win November's election, Trump's support continues to increase (as Biden's falls), indicating Trump will win in a landslide (even if Biden reverts to lying about and demonizing Trump), as most Americans now see through Biden's repeated lies.
The dozens of false accusations that demonize Trump (made by Biden, and repeated by many/most other Trump hating Democrats and left wing media propagandists (who have also lied about Biden’s mental health for the past four years) have been carefully evaluated, researched and polled (before they are included in Biden ads and speeches) in order deceive, enrage and anger uninformed Americans to hate Trump (and subsequently vote for Biden).
Congratulations! You've figured out half the problem with the current state of our political discourse.
Now, the other half is that - wait for it - Team Red does the same thing.
Democrats did it first and worse so that makes it ok.
Oddly enough you never criticized them for doing it first nor worst. But you sure as hell will criticize any and all responses from the other side. While claiming principles. Weird isn't it?
Get a new act.
As a freedom loving atheist, I've been criticizing the Christian theocrat caucus of the GOP for the past 5 decades for advocating/enacting/enforcing prohibitions on contraceptives, abortion, pornography, marijuana, psychedelics, gay marriage and other activities they consider sinful.
And I've been urging Trump to remove the nationwide abortion ban endorsement from the GOP platform.
I'm not just talking about the evangelical wing of the Republican Party. I'm talking about the whole thing. The very thing that you complain about - that they demonize and whip up hatred of the other side by manufacturing lies and pushing them out to their devoted followers over and over again, in a cynical attempt to drive votes for their team, is what both teams do.
No. You and yours have been calling everyone to the right of Bill Clinton a Nazi for my entire adult life. You've created a generation inoculated to charges of such nonsense. They know you hate them. They have identified you as the enemy BECAUSE YOU HAVE TOLD THEM THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY. Bill Clinton had no hate in his campaign or governance. Bush II had no hatred of the other side in his campaign, or in his governance. You and yours called him and anyone that supported him, at at least found him more tolerable than the other side, a Nazi. You see the other "team" doing it because that is what your team has been doing. The Biden administration is worse than any previous administration because they don't reserve their attacks for opposing politicians. They have chosen to claim citizens that disagree with them are enemies. Every previous major politician refrained from doing that for the hope of converting a few. This administration thought they had seized enough power that it was no longer necessary to do so.
If you and yours want a cool down in rhetoric, try to go 6 months without a major person on your side calling us Nazis and threats to democracy, while simultaneously looking over an the military and saying their job is to protect democracy. The president on your side, and countless other Democrats, have repeatedly mentioned using the military against citizens that disagree with them.
Now, the other half is that – wait for it – Team Red does the same thing.
Y'all had to dredge the depths for Sarah Palin' registration marks on a map to find something.
We can point to this morning. And last night. And yesterday morning. And last week. And last month. And last year. And the year before that.
You don't ever stop. You told people that Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney, for the sake of all the gods, was going to put black people back in chains. You tried to make HIM out to be a threat to "our democracy" --because that's what you do--you violently demonize anyone who opposes you.
And it bears fruit. You leftists ARE political violence, from your klansmen to your antifa. Start to finish.
most Americans now see through Biden’s repeated lies.
Naww, it's more like:
About 30% see through Biden's lies but totally believe Trump's lies and will vote for Trump.
About 30% see through Trump's lies but totally believe Biden's lies and will vote for Biden.
About 40% see through both of their lies and probably won't vote.
In your dreams.
The severe TDS types think it is OK to set fire to a crowded theater if Trump is in the audience.
Democrats like you wallow in bad faith, and bad intentions.
You left out Biden's frequent "Remember me? I'm the sitting President, and I just wanted to remind you that I'm still here!" Press briefings where he actually knew less than the news reports he was interrupting about the assassination attempt.
Team Biden saying to 'target' Trump didn't incite anyone, but the constant drum beat that Trump will end our democracy, will imprison his opponents, will impose a national abortion ban, deport millions of amnesty seekers, and so on DID (most likely) spur on this shooter to 'take one for the team' and 'take out Hitler 2.0 (Trump)'.
The republicans need to catalog and disprove every outlandish claim/threat the Democrats falsely claim Trump has promised if elected.
Democrat lies are responsible, not Biden saying the word "target".
LOL IOW typical modern American political hyperbole coming from the corporate-owned center/center-right (Dems) is responsible for a would-be assassin with as-yet completely unknown political views attempting to kill a corporate-owned center-right/rightwing (Trump/GOP) politician.
Got it.
I mean, he's wrong of course but notably Trump is in no way 'corporate owned' unless you're referring to Trump's own corporation which, of course, he owns.
IOW typical modern American political hyperbole coming from the corporate-owned center/center-right (Dems)
If you think the level of invective the left has been hurling against Trump since 2016 ("literally Hitler", "existential threat", "blow up the White House", etc, etc) is just "typical modern American political hyperbole" then you need to talk with your mental healthcare professional about adjusting the dosage of whatever s/he has you on.
Soave is a lying, regime cuck. I don't remember Palin calling anyone Hitler, a fascist or an existential threat to democracy that must be stopped at all costs. GFY.
They have the gall to say that after the years of "Obama is the devil / facist / communist " rhetoric they spouted ? I disregard most politics as garbage & ear cancer, but at least try not to be openly hypocritical when video exists.
It's hard to figure out who to ignore harder: the wingnuts calling this an assassination plot by the deep blue state or the wingnuts calling this a false flag by the deep red state.
“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”
― George Washington
Fuck off shill.
You can't turn on a program without seeing some Democrat scream for Trump's death, but some rodeo clown wears an Obama mask or Palin uses crosshairs on a map and your demagogues get years of screaming about violent right-wingers.
Here’s 2 and a half minutes straight of Democrat politicians explicitly calling for political violence.
Have you ever denounced this? No?
Tenacious D was on stage in Sydney, Australia, on Sunday when Black brought a birthday cake for bandmate Kyle Gass and asked him to make a wish.
Gass, 64, replied: 'Don’t miss Trump next time.'
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889
Stop watching Fox News, boomer.
Ohhhhh… “fAuX nEwS!!!!”
I’m barely on the low end of Gen Z by four months, and don’t even get Fox News in my neck of the woods in northwestern Canada. Couldn’t watch it even if I wanted to.
So stop slurping MSDNC bukkake even if it’s coming from ABC, and get some fresh insults… boomer.
Almost all of those examples turned out to have never ever happened. They were lying to you. If you hadn’t relied on four year old links, you might have done a few searches and discovered that the article was doing something popularly called “lying”, and most of its examples were hoaxes.
Now tell me again about peeing hookers and “fine people”.
Jussie Smollett was really in MAGA country God damnit.
"Connections" "alleged"
Lots of heavy lifting there.
Never mind that Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc. etc. etc. have all - with massive support from GOP and Dem congresscreeps and supporters - stood for unmitigated, unaccountable deadly violence against people in other countries, and that the violence was responsible for killing millions. Nah, forget the genocide in Gaza too, something Biden has facilitated and Trump has encouraged (as well as facilitated with the "Abraham Accords").
Let's instead - as is the American Way - pretend that History Started With _____ (insert your chosen politician's name) and focus on the violent hyperbole directed toward trump by Democrat politicians and forget all that was said about Obama by the right.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/leftists-triggered-after-trump-shares-image-biden-tied/ ("leftists" !!! LOL as if a leftist supports Biden - make your minds up)
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/wsdbro/2022_republican_calling_for_violence/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqwMAVr2L5Y
https://www.icct.nl/publication/buffalo-attack-analysis-manifesto
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/el-paso-gunman-allegedly-posted-wildly-anti-immigrant-manifesto-online-65265221968
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3712538-donald-trump-jr-mocks-paul-pelosi-attack/
https://web.archive.org/web/20201230062249/https://twitter.com/_stand_firm/status/1343969166655692800
Democrats have complicated explanations about how Trump uses "racist dog whistles," but claim "Trump should be eliminated" is a really complicated thing to figure out with regard to intent.
And democrats are always the killers and would be killers.
Calling Obama a fascist/communist because he pushes fascist/communist policy on the US is one thing (Obamacare for one) vs unsubstantiated accusations with no substance beyond disagreement is another. Sorry you can't tell the difference.
Disagree with Trump on immigration or other issues, fine, but don't flat out lie about it.
Corporate Obamacare: fascist/communist.
FFS where did you get your political and economic education?
Last I checked drawing money in from everyone and redistributing it to a particular group can indeed be labeled communist, although I'd agree it really is more fascist since the government dictates healthcare while leaving the industry to deal with the malpractice fallout.
But what do I know, I only worked in healthcare for 15 years both pre-ACA and post-ACA.
You sure gave a lot of examples for Obama.
Show us the major magazine calling him Hitler when you get a chance.
Is it his opponents fault that the most famous promotional image of Obama has him posed with a rather Mussolini-like jaw thrust?
And yet Obama remained unshot for the entirely of his Presidency. Cool story.
It’s hard to figure out who to ignore harder: the wingnuts calling this an assassination plot by the deep blue state or the wingnuts calling this a false flag by the deep red state.
I'm voting for the mouth-breathing window-lickers claiming that the assassination attempt was staged as a photo-op.
Yeah there really isn't any solid evidence to suggest that the shooter was heavily influenced by "violent political rhetoric". AFAIK anyway, it hasn't come to light that the shooter was heavily involved in politics, subscribed and/or listened to political podcasts, or otherwise absorbed those toxic messages in any meaningful way.
Alphabet is right, the attempted assassin is the the one who is responsible for his actions.
Donating to act blue is a typical action by people not heavily involved in politics? Or was that misinformation? Hard to keep up.
Steelmanning the Actblue donations, IIRC they were claiming to launder donations to BLM so he might have been suckered into that fraud. Really depends on the time of the donation but even that isn't a great look.
He made one $15 donation. I don't think that counts as 'heavily involved', no.
Needz moar evidence! But masks totally work.
it hasn’t come to light that the shooter was heavily involved in politics
It's pretty difficult to get more heavily involved in politics than trying to murder a political candidate, especially given that the attempt will almost certainly result in your own demise even if you fail.
Also, what is with the sudden insistence on the Left and in the media (but I repeat myself) to bring up the Gabby Giffords shooting and the Paul Pelosi hammer attack, as though they were politically motivated and perpetrated by right-wingers? There's no evidence at all that either one was motivated by anything other than deranged insanity.
But for Team Blue, whatever Biden's ventriloquist dummy operator says is automatically true.
The guy who shot Giffords was after a judge who was present. Giffords was just collateral damage. The one who attacked Pelosi was a far left kook. Both were nuts.
Here's the thing that bothers me. With a few exceptions, a large portion of the progressives saying that the shooting of Trump is terrible and horrible and not acceptable have been adamantly comparing Trump to Hitler, designating him a fascist, insisting democracy is at stake, etc. But, if you believe that's true, shooting Hitler isn't terrible. Saving democracy from fascism isn't horrible. Hell, I've even seen a few still insist, post assassination attempt, that all the accusations are true. But, I don't really see how you can insist those things are true and simultaneously believe the would-be assassin was a villain. Occam's razor would suggest that the simplest explanation was that they don't really believe their own claims. And, of course, Sarah Palin referred to targeting political races and didn't make false claims about Giffords to cast her as a monster, did she?
I do wonder how many of the snowflake progressives while condemning Hitler (the original, not the orange remake) would actually balk at fighting WWII because it made too many people sad.
Maybe the shooter was from the future and was trying to stop some massive Trump caused disaster?
If that were the case, it would have been Biden and Harris that were disposed of. Especially considering how inch of the world you democrats have fucked up over the last three years.
Goddamn, you’re a stupid piece of shit.
Meanwhile, Vance is now Trump’s VP pick. And the hate is already rolling from the Progressives.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/15/jd-vance-trump-vice-president-announcement/
See the comments.
They're apoplectic, how delightful. If the Washington Post is against it then it's probably a very good idea.
I first saw the headlines about a long talk with RFK and thought that would have been a hilarious VP pick.
* Immunity from impeachment
* Many twisted knickers
* No more talk this election of a spoiler
* Gnashing of teeth and the lamentations of their women
Well, can't have everything. Two economic ignorami with economic ignorami sidekicks, what the hell.
Yeah. In my mind RFK would have been a better pick than Vance, but oh well.
The lamentations of their women are one of the best parts.
Do trans-women even know how to lament?
Depends on if their meds are balanced right.
I think RFK Jr. might make a good Cabinet pick. Which one would have oversight of the CIA?
That’s disappointing.
Vance is a terrible pick. Which is likely the point, it makes Dems think twice about proceeding with impeachment attempts.
But Republicans like Vance aren't calling out that double standard—they are participating in it. They are doing the same thing from the other side: blaming political violence on Democratic rhetoric.
I'll agree with this, certainly. It wasn't fair when it happened to Palin for what was about strategically targeting Congressional districts they wanted to flip, and it's not fair when Biden is talking about strategically putting Trump on the defensive when it comes to campaigning.
And I'll agree from a free speech principle that it's always legitimate and should be permissable speech to accuse a political figure of being a fascist, or an extremist, or saying they're going to destroy the country. That's core protected political speech.
That doesn't mean we can't criticize the rhetoric. It's absolutely fine to say, "Whoa, okay, let's cool down." The major criticism is that the media has run with these narratives for the past decade, especially regarding Trump. There's not been enough of the moderates trying to cool down the rhetoric and say, "Listen, I dislike Donald Trump, but he's not going to put blacks in chains or women in camps. Let's base our opposition to him in reality." There's been entirely too little of that and perhaps that's where the discourse needs to run.
Biden is a bad president, and I think his current mental fragility is actually dangerous to the country. I think the fact that he's completely incapable of running the country is anti-democratic and somewhat sinister because the power is in the hands of the King's Men behind the scenes, and the authority of the federal government is unchecked. I can say that and not wish violence on Biden or the left.
Can we accept that allowing the most extreme speech necessary when criticizing politicians means that we don't have to normalize it? That culturally we should condemn it and try to appeal to cooler heads? That's why people are going after the rhetoric-because it really should moderate. I don't want to pass any laws, but I do want things to cool off.
The "crosshairs" rhetoric was obviously figurative. The "threat to democracy" rhetoric, on the other hand...
I completely agree. I would go even further though:
There’s not been enough of the moderates trying to cool down the rhetoric and say, “Listen, I dislike Donald Trump, but he’s not going to put blacks in chains or women in camps. Let’s base our opposition to him in reality.” There’s been entirely too little of that and perhaps that’s where the discourse needs to run.
There hasn't been enough of that (and likewise about Biden), but the much bigger problem is that in today's media landscape, there is not an appetite for that kind of discussion, because it is so segmented into different bubbles populated entirely by people who WANT to hear the outrageous rhetoric (about the other side). MSNBC is not going to say "hey, from now on, we're not going to make crazy accusations against Trump", because if they did, they would lose viewers, and the people who would most appreciate that kind of statement, don't even watch MSNBC anyway. Same deal for Fox News and Biden.
So nothing is going to change unless there is some shared, common baseline or understanding about the discourse that media outlets have strong incentives not to violate. And from a libertarian framework, since we absolutely do not want the government trying to impose such a thing, the only way that this can happen is with consumers voting with their pocketbooks and their eyeballs. We have to be the ones to turn off the partisan 'news' and unsubscribe from the rage-filled Youtubers and podcasters and actively choose media sources that have a commitment to responsible journalism and rhetoric.
But until that happens, the market incentives are just too strong for the MSNBC's and the Fox News's out there to further degrade the discourse.
Having a cold is like driving around with a bear in your trunk!
I think Jeffy is more interested in trapping a bear cub in his trunk.
Funny how refraining from that normalization is only ever expected to go one way. No, if they set the rules then the marxist scum has to play by them too. No violent rhetoric, excusing shootings, riots and sending the FBI to hunt down their political enemies on one side but don't anyone dare notice or get angry over the abuses. Fuck that hypocritical nonsense.
There's nuts on the right but we all know the left is nothing but violent nutjobs. They're like a cult, look at all the chanting, and are particularly susceptible to violent rhetoric. I mean Hitler enthralled one of the most advanced countries on the planet into doing some pretty awful things.
wow dude 8 years of TrumpHitler = Palin not even talking about Giffords. speaking of missing the mark …
The memo is out. Both sides the shit out this. Ignore the assassination attempt. Use false equivalence. Another example.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/07/donald-trump-democracy-dictator/679006/
Good work Robbie. Good corporate media soldier.
David Frum is Bush's old speechwriter, one of the neocons that pushed Bush into Iraq, and he invented some of the justifications. Wonderfully ironic to see him acting like he gives a shit about democracy.
According to an interview I just saw with some classmates of the shooter who knew him, "he continued to wear a mask... after COVID".
I think we can all reasonably agree that he's a monster.
Meanwhile, the leftists are blaming the assassination attempt on Trump "inciting violence."
The Bee Prophecy came true REAL fast that time.
https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-indicted-for-inciting-assassination-attempt
I was reading Yahoo News when the Trump assassination attempt went down. Literally the story right before that was about VP Harris saying Trump was inciting violence.
They took a shot at CNN's coverage of the assassination attempt too:
https://babylonbee.com/news/how-cnn-reported-on-7-famous-assassinations
Trump speech interrupted by Secret Service was a CNN headline.
If you search you can find "Trump speech interrupted by Secret Service - CNN". You can see it, but they changed the link from an article to slide show. When I first saw it the link went to an article that I am not surprised they removed.
Let's take a look at Robby's reasoning lol here.
Millions upon millions of examples of "heated, occasionally violent anti-Trump rhetoric" in the form of posts, news articles, soundbytes, hot mics, recorded interviews. Literally, minutes after the dude was shot, there were 100,000 leftist nutbags, some even prominent, lamenting the fact that the shooter missed and/or hoping someone takes another crack at him.
But "asserting that Biden's bullseye comment had anything to do with political violence is obviously ridiculous."
Therefore all the millions upon millions - individually and cumulatively - are as well. Derp.
It's not the deeply divided vitriolic partisanship that's quickly manifesting as violence and mayhem guys. Robby said so.
Hey, as an aside, you know what I think is weird? Someone shot the MAGA leader, and the MAGA's didn't immediately go bananas and (mostly peaceful) start burning down city blocks and going on a crime spree. And the non-MAGA's on the right, you know, the normal people? What crazy thing did they do? Pray.
If the bullet had been an inch or two to the right, the civil war might have started already.
But the "far" right does tend to show more restraint than the (far) left. How many cities would have been burned down if an unarmed protestor had been shot at any BLM mostly peaceful protest (as Ashli Babbitt was on January 6th)?
calling Biden a threat "to the survival and existence of our country."
But Biden actually IS a threat to the survival of our country.
Yes we know. THEIR outrageous rhetoric is the problem. But YOUR outrageous rhetoric is in fact the absolute truth.
I feel so safe with a dementia patient in the White House.
As long as they don't attack after 8:00, we're in good hands.
It’s not his rhetoric that threatens the country’s survival, it’s the fucking dementia (that’s only gotten worse since the obvious signs in 2020) and his administrations inching us closer to a hot war with a nuclear superpower.
I agree. But tell that to the people around here who think that Biden's so-called "red speech" means that he wants to throw Republicans en masse into camps.
BOAF SIDEZ! Fuck off, Robby.
Hey, Robbie, it sure seems like Credible Accusations to me
My thoughts on this are mixed.
The previous situations– particularly the Giffords situation is not the best comparator. The Giffords situation was an obscure politician shot by a lunatic, and the media, desperate to make connections, found an unrelated campaign insider map with “bullseyes” over districts indicating which were to be targeted for campaigns. The connections the media made were so tenuous as to be laughable.
And the most important thing is, Republicans and right-leaning media figures hadn’t spent 8 years calling Giffords “Literally Hitler” with her face plastered on the cover of nationally distributed news magazines from titans of journalism morphed into an Adolf Hitler image, and major media figures literally… not figuratively but literally calling for her to be assassinated. Had that been occurring, even I may have been more circumspect about violent rhetoric at the time.
Nothing I say should be taken to suggest that I believe that because of that rhetoric, all of which has in fact been used against Trump was the reason for his attempted assassination. We simply don’t know why this kid decided to shoot Donald Trump. I mean, if we’re being all super-journalisty and just-the-facts-ma’am on this, it’s possible the kid was attempting to assassinate a firefighter with whom he had a vendetta… and unfortunately Trump got in the way... Annnyhoooo…
There’s simply no way to connect the violent rhetoric to Trump’s assassination– but I do think that we have a set of circumstances here in which we would not be wrong to start ROUNDLY condemning the media, the Biden administration and various members of Congress and their staffers if they continue doing what they’ve been doing the last 8 years.
There’s simply no way to connect the violent rhetoric to Trump’s assassination
Only if you're viewing it from a highly specific position. Like, did the media and the partisans specifically do/say something that flipped a switch in the shooter's brain? No, you probably can't tie that to some specific bit of violent rhetoric. Biden's bullseye comment no more contributed to the assassination attempt than it did to Paul Pelosi's gay lover hammer-spat.
But has the rhetoric made people more or less agitated on the whole? More or less likely to lash out? More or less likely to commit a crime in the name of their cause? The more the pressure goes up, the more the seams start to pop. And the rhetoric absolutely contributes to it.
Think about this another way:
If I really believed that a sitting or running politician were "literally the next Hitler" and he was going to off 6 million of his fellow countrymen in concentration camps, and was stockpiling Zykon-B as I typed this, I would be 100% for his assassination. I wouldn't shed a tear.
But I don't believe any American politician in office, or running for office is doing that or anywhere within the solar system of doing that... not even Hillary Clinton.
But what we have gotten over the last eight years, and especially the last two to three isn't just someone pounding the table and shouting spittle-flecked rants when caught off-guard, George Stephanopolous-like in a street interview with a rando, about how Donald Trump is literally Hitler, we've been treated to articles, carefully explaining in their headlines how Donald Trump is Hitler, with a 3000 word thinkpiece below it, explaining carefully why "No, I mean it, I really think he's Hitler and here's my well-thought, carefully considered evidence for it".
So yeah, no bowf sidez on this one.
Remember the "concentration camps" Trump was imprisoning children?
I seem to recall Obamabots defending his putting kids in cages by accusing critics of racism.
And then, the very moment Trump took office, the Obamabots were accused of TDS when they criticized Trump for doing the same thing.
That was around the same time libertarians switched from hardcore conservatives to hardcore leftists. Poof just like that. Why? Because they objected no matter who did it.
There are few things partisans despise more than people with principles.
You, the hard-core leftist, was never libertarian. You have the same views as far left Marxists lol.
They only called it "concentration camps" because they were trying to say Trump is equal to Hitler. I'm pointing this out as evidence of what Rick James is saying.
https://revcom.us/a/366/us-opens-new-concentration-camp-for-immigrants-on-texas-mexico-border-en.html
https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/border-crisis-prompting-new-xenophobic-drumbeat-old-disgrace
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-112hhrg73543/html/CHRG-112hhrg73543.htm
Three links to immigration detention centers being called "concentration camps" while Obama was president.
Seriously, the super far right-wing ACLU? Come on man, even you can do better than that.
I was refuting the assertion that nobody called them “concentration camps” until Trump became president.
Would you care if he gave police expanded powers and immunities to round up 11 million illegals? Probably not. They aren't countrymen. Hell, they're not even human. They're vermin.
Very odd your continued despisal of vermin despite never saying a word when the left uses it.
Very odd your continued leftist fear mongering about door to door searches despite being told exactly how it would be handled. Very odd.
Are you sure you aren't a bog standard leftist?
No, they're human. Humans who don't belong in America and should therefore be removed. By force, if they refuse to go willingly.
Liberty shmiberty. A police state is a small price to pay for getting rid of undesirables. Amirite?
Yes, liberty shmiberty. I have no more compunction about depriving an illegal of liberty as I do any other criminal that we would throw in jail.
Only instead of jail, the illegals should be thrown out of the country. Forever.
You don't get to hide behind "liberty" when your first act on American soil is criminal.
Did you miss the part where he promised to expand police powers and replace qualified immunity with total immunity in order to accomplish the goal? Because, as it is, local police don't enforce federal law and they can be sued for violating rights.
Did you miss where you've been shown the reality of his plan but prefer leftist rhetoric?
No, in fact, I was just talking about that.
https://reason.com/2024/07/15/trump-doubles-down-with-pick-of-j-d-vance-as-running-mate/?comments=true#comment-10642604
Just to be clear, you don't care if the country becomes a police state with checkpoints and all that if it means ridding the nation of people without papers.
It’s something I’m willing to endure. I do it any time I buy a sixer or an airplane ticket.
Heck, I endured worse for far dumber reasons. Remember COVID?
The illegals HAVE to go, sarc. If it means drastic measures, then so be it. It’s THAT big of a problem. Don’t blame the clean up crew. Blame the people who made the mess.
But let’s get you on the record on this subject; make sure I know where you’re coming from. Do you disagree with:
A) “The illegals HAVE to go.” If so, why.
B) “It’s THAT big of a problem.” If so, why.
Do you disagree with:
A) “The illegals HAVE to go.” If so, why.
I disagree. Sure some illegals are criminals (as in they harm the life, liberty or property of others). But most are not. I think that illegal immigration is a symptom of a broken immigration system. I don't think circumventing unjust laws makes someone a criminal.
B) “It’s THAT big of a problem.” If so, why.
Again I disagree. I believe that people have a right to make a living without government permission. The thing that so many people don't understand is that immigrants create demand. They buy stuff. So while they "steal job" they also create jobs.
From my point of view, the problem isn't illegal immigrants. The problem is a broken immigration system that incentivizes people to come illegally.
https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/files/a87d1550853898a9b306ef458f116079.pdf
Maybe I am an open borders guy. I think that people who want to come here and work should be allowed to come here and work. Yes they should be screened, and refused for criminal histories, diseases and such. But not because of some arbitrary quota.
High fences and wide gates.
I don’t think circumventing unjust laws makes someone a criminal.
Breaking laws doesn't make someone a law breaker.
Got it.
Again I disagree. I believe that people have a right to make a living without government permission.
We're not talking about making a living. We're talking about entering a sovereign nation without that nation's consent.
From my point of view, the problem isn’t illegal immigrants. The problem is a broken immigration system that incentivizes people to come illegally.
That's like saying, "From my point of view, the problem isn't the water that's flooded the basement. The problem is the broken pipe."
I'm all for fixing the system. But you also need to clean up the mess that broken pipe made. You can't just leave it the way it is.
Maybe I am an open borders guy
Ya think?
Breaking laws doesn’t make someone a law breaker.
Don't be a Jesse!
I don't equate criminal with law breaker.
That’s like saying, “From my point of view, the problem isn’t the water that’s flooded the basement. The problem is the broken pipe.”
Not really. Because I would put a big filter on the pipe but let most of the water in.
Thank you for not being a dick. Good night.
Sarc is even fine if they come here and commit crimes. See sullum thread.
He is even fine if they take 150B in taxpayer funds.
He is fine with their pressure on schools, hospitals, and food banks.
He is even fine if they take housing away from others through government power.
Sarc is fine with all of that.
Sarc, why are you fine with taxpayers funding people who simply cross the border? You even call for more taxation. Is it because you dont pay taxes?
I understand (and could even be sympathetic to) your position on freedom of movement, etc., but that’s not the world we live in, so what’s your solution sarc? Just amnesty the fuck out of all of them like we did in the 80’s?
I don’t equate criminal with law breaker.
Committing crimes isn't crime.
Not really. Because I would put a big filter on the pipe but let most of the water in.
Well good for you stupid, you've still got a flooded basement.
Yes Sarc, we know you love MS-13. Perhaps one day they can show you their love.
Would you care if he gave police expanded powers and immunities to round up 11 million illegals? Probably not. They aren’t countrymen. Hell, they’re not even human. They’re vermin.
Stop calling illegal immigrants vermin, racist.
But what we have gotten over the last eight years, and especially the last two to three
Gee, what could have happened about "two to three" years ago that might have triggered such a response? Oh yeah.... Jan. 6, 2021. A lot of people really do think that it was, if not an 'insurrection', then an 'attack on democracy'.
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2024/01/02/poll-on-third-anniversary-of-jan--6-attack
I don't think people here appreciate how much of an inflection point that event was. To a lot of people, it demonstrated that Trump really was a dangerous man. You can argue all you want about the precise details of Trump's culpability, but the broad picture is that Trump just wouldn't admit his election loss, he organized a rally on Jan. 6, he exhorted the mob to go to the Capitol, and the mob very nearly stopped the peaceful transition of power for the first time in the nation's history. That is why you see the ramp-up in rhetoric. Even if one did think he was a tyrant-in-waiting, it's still irresponsible to compare him to Hitler, since that is a purposefully inflammatory comparison.
The country was a hair's width from being taken over by a guy in a bear costume? Really? That's what you're going with?
I think you should try to see it from the other point of view. That poll I showed you was from Jan. 6 of this year. As of *this year*, 55% thinks that Jan. 6 was an 'attack on democracy' that should 'never be forgotten'.
I am not saying that they are correct, only that they *think* that they are correct.
I think a lot of people have concluded that Trump inspired the violence of that day, just as a lot of people around here have concluded that "irresponsible rhetoric" inspired the violence on Saturday.
And - again, please try to see it from their point of view - if you really did think that Trump is not above ordering a mob to ransack the Capitol because he lost an election, then you might have a reasonable basis to conclude that Trump really is more dangerous than your typical politician, even other Republicans. It can help to explain why there is a market for narratives about Trump being a 'threat to democracy'. If that is how you viewed Jan. 6, then yeah, that narrative sounds kinda right to you.
The Hitler comparisons are still wrong, but you can begin to see where they are coming from.
I think you should try to see it from the other point of view.
Sympathizing with the enemy is a war crime.
Thats why you and Jeff demand jailing of all your enemies.
I was reading quotes by Calvin Coolidge today and came across this one:
"When a man begins to feel that he is the only one who can lead in this republic, he is guilty of treason to the spirit of our institutions." -- Calvin Coolidge
Is that not how Donald Trump has been framed?
Keep in mind the Democrat party has been infiltrated by radical left wing extremists and Neo-Marxists whose mentor, Saul Alinsky, in his book "Rules For Radicals" call for charging their political enemies for doing what they are or are planning to do. It's called projection.
So calling Trump a fascist is merely a projection of what the democrats actually are.
55% of the poll says OJ was innocent and that 1 + 2 equals 5. Should I give that point of view consideration, for the sake of balance?
Hitler not only waged warfare against the world, but he also systemically murdered millions of Jews. Even if some people genuinely thought J6 was an attack on democracy, to use that as an example as to why Trump is “Hitlerian” is ludicrous. It’s like KFC likening chickens in a cage to victims of holocaust. I don’t consider FDR as hitler, even though he was the last president to forcibly move an entire group of people to relocation camps.
When someone is being disingenuous, I don’t have to give his side any merit - whether they "think" they're correct or not. Insurrections require a plot to overthrow the government. Not a single person was convicted of that. A fringe group was convicted of sedition for plotting property damage. For all intents and purposes, J6 was angry people getting out of hand and walking inside the capitol to commit vandalism. Democrats impede the democratic process ALL the time, with intention. Jamal Bowman pulled down a fire alarm to delay a vote. And needless to say, there is zero evidence that Trump orchestrated any of it.
You hate Trump, so you bypassed facts to believe the dem’s hate soaked fantasy narrative. There is no comparison between J6 and the near assassination of Donald Trump. Wars have broken out due to assassinations.
When someone is being disingenuous
But they are NOT being disingenuous *from their point of view*. That is what I am trying to get across. They are not trying to deceive or trick you. They actually believe that Trump is a threat to democracy and they will cite Jan. 6 as Exhibit A for that belief. And it is not hard to see why. We all saw an angry mob of Trump supporters storm the Capitol and interrupt the counting of the electoral votes, and the mob was there because Trump organized a rally that day. He organized a rally because he could not accept that he lost the election. If you want to know why this irresponsible rhetoric about Trump gains so much traction, if you want to know why many people regard Trump differently than every other politician, even other Republicans, this begins to explain why.
You could either call them liars for their sincerely held beliefs, or you could try to engage with them to try to persuade them why they are wrong, using facts and reason and logic.
And I AGREE with you that the Hitler references are totally over the top and wrong, even if you think Trump was responsible for Jan. 6.
"But they are NOT being disingenuous *from their point of view*. That is what I am trying to get across."
But they are being disingenuous. There wasn't any "insurrection". No one was ever charged and convicted of that. There's no proof Trump organized or ordered them to do anything. There WAS NO premediated coup de tat on that day. This is fact. It was a protest gone wrong. Therefore, it cannot be used as "exhibit A" as proof of Trump's Hitlerism because it's factually wrong. Anyone who makes that claim is either lying or mistaken.
If someone insist 1 + 2 is 5 we simply characterize that person as someone who is simply wrong. There is no "he's wrong but right in his or her point of view". His sincerity in his belief is not relevant. It's possible someone REALLY thought J6 was a threat to democracy or that Joe Biden was 100% mentally sound despite video evidence. Again, that person is wrong and his judgment is arguably unsound.
The left wasn't shaking in fear of losing democracy when THEIR mobs occupy state capitol and chase Kirsten Sinema into a bathroom because she didn't vote their way. If you think them grandstanding over J6 is anything other than partisan play, I don't know what to tell you.
Gee, what could have happened about “two to three” years ago that might have triggered such a response? Oh yeah…. Jan. 6, 2021.
Hi Joe, how was your ice cream? You're probably in bed already. Well, anyway...
Saying “put him in the bullseye” doesn’t seem particularly inflammatory.
That being said, I don’t understand how one could believe that Trump is an existential threat to Democracy but also that using violence to stop him is unjustified.
At the very least it suggests that they don’t really believe what they’re saying.
As has been said here before, no principles.
Saying “put him in the bullseye” doesn’t seem particularly inflammatory.
It’s not. But national journal printing a 5000 word explainer on why, exactly Trump is in fact the next Hitler which will result every city in the world burning with death camps and bodies piled up three stories high? I’m going to put that in the ‘inflammatory’ column.
Edit: And to be clear, I really don't care what an obese, pink haired, nose-ringed lunatic with pronouns in their bio say about political violence vis-a-vis Trump. I care when the BBC officially calls for his assassination.
If someone were to say that about Obama, we can all guess what would take place the very same day.
And CNN would be right there to record it.
As always, when a deranged person takes up a gun and attacks someone, we should blame that individual
What about a fire extinguisher? Can we blame the President at the time for that?
Got any more long ago debunked hoaxes from Huffington post you want to talk about ?
SEVERAL high profile Democrats have LITERALLY called for putting a bullet into Trump.
While I would have no trouble believing this, it would help your case if you provided evidence of this claim, such as links to articles or, ideally, video clips of the Democrats in question doing this.
You can argue a fist to be some sort of projectile and that a bullet qualifies also to be a type of projectile. And then only then you would have Nancy Pelosi saying she would like to put a bullet in him. However, the reading would be wrong because her actual words do not utilize the bullet expression literally even though we may suspect that violence was her intention. Then again, can she hurt with her fist? Perhaps Trump would like to explore this line of inquiry to the available extent of his powers of office :ha:
This is a deeply cynical and misguided tactic—and Republicans are well aware of it, since they have rightly criticized their political opponents for doing the exact same thing.
And since that got them nowhere, they've decided to play along with the retard game. Probably stupid of Republicans, but last I checked there was a saying about stupid and evil parties.
I'll just be over here, watching the retard fight I suppose.
It's rare that something makes me chuckle out loud. Bonus points for it also being truth.
this from yesterday's Reason Roundup - Other editorial boards have, to their credit, struck the same note. But many of these institutions have, for a long time, aired Hitler comparisons and raised alarms about Trump being a fascist; it shouldn't be surprising when such apocalypticism eventually gets taken seriously by crazies. (That said, the gunman's motive is still not known.)
perhaps Reason staff lives in the 'glass house'? in which case you probably shdn't hurl stones.
Don't pretend this is about some isolated remark from Biden or whomever. There's a pattern here, and that's what's at play.
Is there any sign of Thomas Beckett style rhetoric?
Let's make a distinction between generic hyperbole and targeted rhetoric. Sarah Palin using bullseye to mark battleground states is completely innocuous. Joe Biden saying "we have to put Trump in the bullseye" or a dem saying "we have to eliminate Trump" isn't an isolated bravado, it's a part of a coordinated movement against a former president. Seriously, how often did a republican say "we have to eliminate Obama" in a FOX interview?
That rhetoric or video games don't directly inspire people to violence is intuitive. That doesn't preclude us from criticizing those who actually DO create division and inflame dangerous sentiments. If a KKK member kills a POC in hate, I'm going to blame the KKK, even if the organization's official policy is not to physically hurt minorities. If hate is the mission itself, and not just being tolerated for some end, they own the sins that bear fruit from it.
The left basically owns most violent rhetoric in this country. Look at BLM and the Hamas college kids. I rest my case. Jamal Bowman literally screamed "We're going to show the motherfucking AIPAC the power of the Bronx." Is that language befitting a congressman? Not even Trump sunk that low. Replace AIPAC with NAACP. Name me one republican who would say that in any rally.
At the same time, they see violent rhetoric from the other side out of thin air. They thought Trump saying "Kung Flu" inspired a wave of violence on Asians. They think Ben Shapiro speaking on campus will literally lead to murder. This nonsense got serious coverage in the media. Not few hours after he was shot at, CNN said Trump urging his followers to fight was unwelcome rhetoric.
This is like a murderer giving a Sunday sermon on "Thou shall not murder". They are exactly what they accuse MAGA of being - a brainwashed cabal subservient to radical ideology.
Tell a lie long enough, loud enough and often enough and people will believe you - this is the playbook of the media when it comes to Tepublicans and quadruply so for Trump. What is the purpose of adopting such a tactic if not to sway people into such a belief and to act on the worldview YOU imparted up to and including violence when your rhetoric is apocalyptic in nature. So fuck off Robby, you and your fellow travellers chose this gambit to manipulate low IQ or EQ individuals into action and your mobilization rhetoric left no evil off the table when it comes to ridding the world of your current boogeyman.
Words can have those naughty powers via provocation. Provocation relates to coersion, that perhaps is not well understood except in terms of loss.
We, as Americans, have lost our freedoms*. Meanwhile, two major parties do not seem interested in restoring those. How can mortal men resist tacking on a few more trillion dollars to a growing national debt or stop printing a few more trillion in bank notes to debase buying power? Is it human weakness or collective submission to failure of the flesh?
* So the theory goes, that by uniting, we stand on behalf of correction, in opposition to definable evil.
The current regime occupying the White House has done more damage to the nation than any other. From sky high inflation and the cost of living that is sending more and more people into poverty combined with the attack on freedom of speech and censorship everywhere and inflicting woke politics into everything along with imprisoning and torturing those who peacefully protested on Jan.6,
the democrats have exposed their dirty hand of near Marxist goals.
No single administration has done more damage than this one.
"We must tone down the dangerous Republican rhetoric using Democrats own words and tactics against them"
I'M SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA
The "Bullseye" is clearly rhetoric. I won't debate you there.
However, I'm sorry, but when the core of Biden's campaign is that Trump is a fascist who will destroy democracy, I cannot agree with your conclusion.
If Biden's explicit statements about Trump were correct, assassination becomes quite logical. If Trump really was worse than Hitler who would enact the Handmaid's Tale, which has been stated explicitly many times by many people in the media and even elected officials, then it would be a moral duty to prevent that by any means necessary.
So yes, we can blame the rhetoric. As much as we can blame Henry II for the death of Beckett.
And video for killing the radio star.
Ben, are you in Houston? Do you have power?
Centerpoint stinks. My daughter just got power back an hr ago.
We all know, of course that if some conservative Radio talk show host or a Blog on the internet, were to begin calling Obama a communist, and calling for someone to assassinate him, just how quickly the Secret service and FBI would respond. Not to mention members of a certain ethnic group who would show up at their home threatening to break in or murder them or toss Molotov cocktails and burn the home down.
There would be a nation wide prosecution of any one who dared speak of this icon of justice and equality in such a bad light.
The show trials that would have taken place would make even the ones by the Democrat's predecessors in the old failed Soviet Union look like Judge Judy.
People such as Mark Dice and Ben Shapiro would already be in prison along with Jeff Rense, Alex Jones and Dan Bongino.
Chuckie Schumer and Nancy Pelosi would have introduced a bill into congress to outlaw the Republican party and the nation would then officially revert to a one party state.
But when it comes to such talk by the leftists on every news channel and of course the collective wisdom of four fat and very ugly old women on PMSNBC,all of whom are suffering from post menopausal syndrome, can call for Trump's murder nearly every day and nothing is done because after all, "freedom of Speech".
"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
The left is deflecting by bringing up Giffords and Pelosi, this is a good thing, this is a purely defensive move on their part. Don't get distracted by the both sides argument, we are in their OODA. Fretting about free speech is pure misdirection, the 1A isn't going anywhere.
Robby, while I can see the argument that it's the 'shooter alone is responsible, it's hard in this case.
For 8 years
- Trump is Hitler
- We must save Democracy
- The world will end if Trump wins
If you believe this, plus the 24 hr bashing from the media, and you think you have sacrifice to save the world. What's my life, when it will save everyone?
Sorry, the Left is to blame. They don't deal in facts. They don't deal in the world. They deal in emotions. "Blacks are victims, they do crime because of that. Poor illegals are not breaking any laws they just need help. It's big XX business taking your money. The rich don't play their fair share. BLMs can protest during covid because it's social justice. Climate change -no snow past 2010. 4 years to save the earth."
When you go to extremes outside of facts to make people fearful, you are at fault - period. This is what they wanted. They can't run on record, morals, or anything but fear.
It's not so much specific comments from Biden or anyone. But I do think that the general narrative that has been spun for years now that Trump is some existential threat to all that is good is a factor and that in an environment like that you can expect things like this to happen. In this case, the shooter seems like a lone crazy person as far as I can tell, so hopefully it's not the beginning of a trend. But when a lot of people have convinced themselves that Trump is literally Hitler and must be stopped at all costs, it shouldn't be too surprising to see something like this.
Fully Agree.
WE LEARNED BY WATCHING YOU, DEMOCRATS! WE LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!
"Stop Blaming the Attempted Assassination on Heated Anti-Trump Rhetoric
Biden's bullseye comment was no more dangerous than Sarah Palin's crosshairs."
That's about the same as saying that since smoking doesn't cause cancer in everyone, it causes cancer in no one. Some people are more prone to responding to smoking by developing cancer. Similarly, some people are especially prone to acting out fantasies than others. In this case, it appears that Crookes, being totally loony, responded to hearing wild claims about Trump from, well, anti-Trumpers by thinking it would be a good idea to shoot him. Lots more crazies on the left than the right. And manifestly more suggestible people as well.