Will Banning Nonalcoholic Beer Save the Children?
No, but a Stanford psychologist says people under age 21 should be banned from buying some nonalcoholic drinks to protect kids from "drinking culture."

The new plan to keep kids from drinking alcohol: Ban kids (and some adults) from buying drinks containing zero alcohol.
No, it doesn't make much sense.
But that's the argument being made by Molly A. Bowdring, a clinical psychologist at Stanford, who wrote this week in STAT that nonalcoholic drinks meant to resemble beer or cocktails are "a potential public health crisis."
The zero-proof beverage market includes brands like Athletic Brewing, by far the largest nonalcoholic beer brand, as well as a growing number of wine and spirits varieties. While nonalcoholic drinks still account for a tiny sliver of the overall beverage market, the rate of growth in recent years has been impressive—driven by consumers who are looking to enjoy a drink without getting drunk.
But won't someone think of the children, frets Bowdring. "While it's great that more people are taking to heart public health messages that reducing alcohol consumption can improve well-being and extend life, an important lesson from vaping as a replacement for cigarettes is being overlooked: What may be good for adults may be harmful to kids."
After contacting alcohol regulators in every U.S. state, she writes that she was shocked to find drinks that contain no alcohol are generally not subjected to limitations placed on drinks that do contain alcohol. Imagine that.
"Children and teens are, by and large, legally permitted to purchase non-alcoholic beverages. This is a huge liability," warns Bowdring. "The path from non-alcoholic beverage consumption to alcohol use among youths appears to be fairly direct….Among minors, consuming non-alcoholic beverages can socialize them to the drinking culture, with the beverages being perceived as cool, adult, and modern."
Goodness gracious, not that.
The logic here is seriously flawed in several ways. Most importantly, banning the sale of nonalcoholic drinks to individuals under 21—which includes a lot of adults, by the way—isn't going to make "drinking culture" seem much different. And even if it did, it is absolutely not the government's job to police what subcultures seem cool or interesting.
If there's a compelling reason for the state to prohibit the sale of alcohol to some individuals, it's on the grounds that consuming alcohol can increase the risk that they harm themselves or others. But kids are already prevented from legally purchasing or consuming alcohol—and someone who is purchasing or consuming a nonalcoholic drink is, by definition, not consuming alcohol in the first place!
Finally, Bowdring isn't arguing that kids who buy nonalcoholic drinks go on to become raging alcoholics or drunk drivers or anything dangerous like that. She's panicked over the possibility that they'll have an increased interest in drinking, period. But learning to drink socially and responsibly—which might include the consumption of nonalcoholic drinks at times—is a key part of being an adult.
This isn't an argument for banning video games because some kids who play video games will someday commit a school shooting. This is arguing for banning video games because some kids who play video games might someday drive a few miles per hour over the posted speed limit.
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Drinking culture aka adulthood.
aka "college"
I know it sounds crazy, but most college students are in fact adults.
Adulthood and drinking culture are not by any means the same thing. It is perfectly possible to be a happy and productive adult without being part of drinking culture.
You want to drink, drink. Don't claim that drinking is definitionally synonymous with being an adult.
Surprised she's not trying to ban non-alcoholic rum and coke.
Is there such a thing as NA Rum?
A non-alcoholic rum and coke is ... coke. And yeah, it would be consistent for Bowdring to try to ban that, too.
Doesn't banning it make it even cooler?
Nothing can make non-alcoholic beer cooler.
To the point that filling your cooler full of ice with non-alcoholic beer is just warming up your ice.
Refrigerate at 33 degrees Fahrenheit
What could possibly go wrong if kids are protected from "drinking culture" until they are 21 and can all of a sudden drink as much as they want?
I remember from college, many of the most problematic drinkers were kids who had never really drunk much or had exposure to "drinking culture".
^ This.
By the time I was 16 I knew not to drink the PGA punch like it was cool aid.
I learned my lesson when I was 12, after passing out and vomiting all night.
Rites of passage.
Kids should participate in drinking culture the same way everyone else does: with alcohol. Those are the only options, alcohol or isolation. Choose wisely.
Alcohol or isolation? Don't be stupid. You can socialize with responsible adults, who drink rarely and in small quantities. I do it every day.
You want to drink, drink. Don't assume that all adults are like you.
Got that right. I grew up around people where drinking beer at a bbq was a thing. Hit the military then college and I liked some beer but not to the excess I saw in some. Treat it as a beverage like an adult.
Banning anything makes it more appealing.
If we ban kids from drinking water then they can avoid all health problems after their initial death. Then they will also never become alcoholics.
Any recovering alcoholic will tell you what you can do to keep an alcoholic from drinking:
Nothing.
Alcoholism is a disease and this was known back in the 18th century. Dr. Benjamin Rush, who was also a signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote about this!
See................. Leftard 'charliehall' lobbies for alcohol prohibition.
Everyone is being indoctrinated into believing the right is the 'puritan' when that is just simply not true at all. It's just the left self-projecting their years of 'puritan' legislation.
There must be a lot between the lines that I'm not seeing. He said you can't do anything to stop an alcoholic. He's not advocating for any laws. What the fuck are you reading?
Nope. Alcoholism is a lifestyle choice not a disease. You can not give up cancer tomorrow because you had enough but you can just stop drinking. Quit this "It's a disease and I'm a helpless victim" mentality and take control of yourself
So there were idiots among the signers of the Declaration of Independence. Good to know.
But they will become Democrats (after their death).
""No, but a Stanford psychologist says people under age 21 should be banned from buying some nonalcoholic drinks to protect kids from "drinking culture."""
A Stanford psychologist you say.
Next you will hear people asking if parents that drink should have their children taken away due to the influence of drinking culture.
Titty milk is a non-alcoholic beverage. Is that drinking culture?
Only if the girl is Russian.
IT’S THE GATEWAY BREW!
I got started on root beer and candy cigarettes, and I turned out fine.
If I really dig into the far reaches of my early consciousness, I can vaguely remember the taste of benzocaine from when my pacifier would get dabbed with it to alleviate toothing pain.
I've heard that that's what turned Hunter into a crack addict.
lol. those candy cigarettes and we even had bubblegum cigars that if you blew hard some powder sugar came out the end. Funny I never took up smoking. Remember "Big League Chew"? Shredded bubble gum in a pouch like chewing tobacco?
Pretentious, out-of-touch, pseudo-moralist academics nudged me into drinking culture far, far more effectively than non-alcoholic beer.
Remember in The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy when Ford Prefect chooses his name because his sloppy research mistakes the dominant culture on Earth? A Stanford clinical psychologist saying “We need to get rid of non-alcoholic beer because it introduces kids to drinking culture.” feels that detached except, supposedly, the Stanford psychologist was, again supposedly, born on this planet and lived here for decades before getting her degree and beginning her “research”.
It seems like such a completely detached and out-of-touch assessment of human behavior, despite being steeped in such behavior for so long, the psychologist should get their professional credentials revoked.
Perhaps Milly A. Bowdring should be banned from doing anything which might lead her to inappropriate adult activities, like thinking.
She's already started in on that gateway drug of thinking she's capable of thinking for others.
Sadly, this is not the first time I’ve heard this idiotic argument.
When New Jersey raised the drinking age of 21, many clubs turned themselves into juice bars. There actually was a movement to outlaw of them from doing this, based on the theory that juice bars “taught kids that the way to have fun was to go to a public place and consume liquids,” Which would allegedly “groom” them to drink alcoholic beverages once they came of age
Barq's must be on suicide watch.
Huh, front page, above the fold article in my local newspaper about how a woman who married up supports Joe Biden for president and can "no longer keep quiet". I wonder if her penchant for no longer keeping quiet might have played a role in the divorce which netted her so much cash.
It's been six months
She hasn't shut up once
I've tried to explain
She's driving me insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-rEVVAw3-0&ab_channel=TheTubesVEVO
Affordable housing happening, no upzoning required.
Downtown Seattle home prices now cheaper than city as a whole
Plus all the hobos lining the streets there is a distraction.
Don't forget the native wildlife that will yell at you, threaten you, and follow you around.
This is a real phenomenon and the media doesn't seem to understand the long term consequences that follow. I live near a non descript city 90 miles west of Chicago. Shitty weather, shitty government, high taxes. It's a place where if you don't have to be there you won't be. In the 30 years I've been here real estate needle has barely budged. As of last year less than half of the national average. Last month this god forsaken shithole was declared the hottest real estate market in the nation based on buyers vs inventory. I know a young family that sold a crappy little bungalow in the burbs and bought twice the house here in a hoidy toidy neighborhood with a pile of cash left over. He works from home. And a whole lot of Chicago refugees are in the same position. Sales prices have exploded around here. I think we're going to see a major shift in big city residential just like we're seeing with commercial real estate. I'm not sure our elite is ready for the massive drain on their tax base.
Molly A. Bowdring, did your parents have any kids who lived?
This is why you can’t have chicks in charge of anything.
But if laws against minors drinking non-alcoholic beverages are passed, Reason will have Singer argue that Butterbeer is the libertarian option.
Am I missing something here? If they can't drink alcoholic beverages, and can't drink non-alcoholic beverages, doesn't that mean they can't drink liquids, period?
We will dehydrate them to purity. Water looks an awful lot like vodka, you know.
It's kind of like old test for a witch -- if she sinks (and drowns) she wasn't a witch, so at least she died pure of soul. If she swims, then she's a witch and must be burned (after she's been dried out a bit -- dehydration is virtuous in many respects!).
The Power-Mad wanna be dictators busy working to take-away everyone's Liberties ... because ... what else is there to do with all that ?free-money? time in Commie-Indoctrination camps.
So if Bowdring gets her way, I look forward to the all-Suderman mocktail issue of the mag! Cheers
I think the increased availability of nonalcoholic beers is very important. We are seeing more varieties, and this will allow people options to lower alcohol consumption. It gives the recovered alcoholic the option to socially participate without ingesting alcohol. I think a better approach to reducing youth exposure is social. Were I still the parent of an adolescent I would not permit them to drink nonalcoholic beers. That should be the focus, not government prohibition.
This is probably the same thinking that led to the disappearance of candy cigarettes and bubblegum cigars.
The only thing the kids were saved from is maybe the sugar in those candies.