Anthony Fauci Gives Misleading, Evasive Answers About NIH-Funded Research at Wuhan Lab
At yesterday's congressional hearing, the former NIAID director played word games and shifted blame in an effort to dismiss credible claims that his agency funded work that caused the pandemic.

In a now-infamous 2021 exchange with Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.), Anthony Fauci—the former longtime head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and former chief medical advisor to the president—said that the National Institutes of Health (which oversees NIAID) "has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
We now know this is not true.
A treasure trove of documents uncovered by congressional investigators and dogged investigative journalists has established that the NIAID was funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Lab via a grant to the scandal-plagued nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance (which the Biden administration just debarred from receiving federal funding).
These revelations lead to the inescapable conclusion that Fauci was being misleading at best (and dishonest at worst) about the NIH-funded research at Wuhan. It also has fueled eminently reasonable speculation that that research precipitated a lab leak at Wuhan which caused the COVID-19 pandemic.
In his testimony yesterday at a hearing of the House Oversight Committee's Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic, Fauci attempted to push back on both notions.
While the NIH-funded research by EcoHealth at the Wuhan lab met the generic definition of gain-of-function research, it did not meet the narrower federal regulatory definition of dangerous gain-of-function research aimed at enhancing potential pandemic pathogens, said Fauci.
"Every time I have mentioned gain-of-function—at the Senate hearing with Senator Paul, at the [transcribed interview with the Coronavirus Subcommittee in January], and today—the definition that I use is not my personal definition, it is a codified, regulatory and operative definition" found in the Department of Health and Human Services' (HHS) 2017 Framework for Guiding Funding Decisions about Proposed Research Involving Enhanced Potential Pandemic Pathogens (P3CO) that regulates potentially pandemic-causing research, said Fauci.
Therefore, Fauci stressed, he was not being dishonest by saying that NIH had not funded this specific type of regulated gain-of-function research.
Moreover, while that NIH-funded research might meet the more generic definition of gain-of-function (that is, research that enhances the properties of a virus), such research could not have created SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19), argued Fauci.
"It would be molecularly impossible" for the viruses that EcoHealth and Wuhan researchers were manipulating with NIH funding to have become the virus that caused the pandemic, he said.
Fauci's latest defense is evasive, misleading, and arguably downright dishonest for at least three reasons.
The first is that the P3CO framework is not the only relevant definition of gain-of-function research found in federal regulations. The second is that EcoHealth's work in Wuhan arguably did meet the definitions established by the P3CO framework. The third is that we don't know all the viruses that EcoHealth and Wuhan researchers were experimenting on with NIH funding.
Let's take these three reasons in turn.
To understand the first reason for why Fauci's testimony was misleading requires a little history. In 2014, EcoHealth received a five-year, $3.7 million grant from the NIAID to collect and analyze bat coronaviruses in China.
That same year, the Obama administration paused government funding of gain-of-function research, defined as research that could make flu, SARS, and MERS viruses transmissible via the respiratory route in mammals.
For Fauci to claim that EcoHealth wasn't performing research that met the P3CO framework's definition of gain-of-function research is irrelevant for the first three years of EcoHealth's grant because that framework wasn't in effect yet. The Obama administration's gain-of-function pause was.
And as it turns out, EcoHealth's work arguably should have fallen under this pause.
In 2016, EcoHealth reported to the NIAID that they planned on using viruses collected in the wild to create SARS-like "chimeric" or hybrid viruses that might be better able to infect human lung cells in genetically engineered (humanized) mice.
In response, NIAID told EcoHealth to stop its experiments because they likely violated the then-extant pause on gain-of-function research.
After some weeks of back-and-forth in 2016, NIH did eventually let EcoHealth continue with its research on the condition that it immediately stop its work and notify the agency if any of its hybrid viruses did show increased viral growth in humanized mice.
When these hybrid viruses did show increased viral growth in mice, EcoHealth did not immediately stop work or notify the NIH. It instead waited until it submitted an annual progress report in 2018 to disclose the results of its experiments.
By that time, the NIH was operating under the P3CO framework, which imposed new regulations on gain-of-function research on potential pandemic pathogens (PPPs).
This brings us to the second reason Fauci's testimony was misleading to the point of dishonesty: EcoHealth's work arguably did meet the definition for gain-of-function research laid out in the P3CO.
Under the P3CO framework, PPPs were defined as pathogens that were "likely highly transmissible" in human populations and "likely highly virulent" in humans.
The P3CO framework required that any proposed research that could be "reasonably anticipated" to create PPPs that had enhanced transmissibility or virulence be forwarded to the HHS for review and risk-benefit analysis.
As mentioned, EcoHealth was creating hybrid SARS-like viruses, using them to infect humanized mice, and finding that those hybrid viruses did have enhanced transmissibility and virulence compared to their natural cousins.
It's eminently reasonable to say, as virologists have, that the hybrid viruses EcoHealth was creating with NIH funding did in fact fall under the definition of an enhanced PPP set out in the P3CO framework. At a minimum, EcoHealth's experiments should have been forwarded to the HHS for review.
That didn't happen.
Indeed, a steady, mainstream criticism of the NIH prior to the pandemic was that it was interpreting definitions in P3CO policy so narrowly so as to not have to send any research up the chain to the HHS for review. In his testimony yesterday, Fauci continued this tradition of effectively defining gain-of-function research subject to P3CO out of existence.
In his testimony yesterday, Fauci also asserted that the entire inquiry into whether EcoHealth's research at Wuhan met this or that definition of gain-of-function was irrelevant to the inquiry into the origins of COVID-19. That's because the viruses they'd reported working on in Wuhan couldn't possibly have caused the pandemic because they are so dissimilar from SARS-CoV-2.
This brings us to the third way that Fauci's testimony was misleading in the extreme: We don't know all the viruses that Wuhan researchers were experimenting with.
As Harvard molecular biologist Alina Chan notes in a New York Times essay arguing COVID-19 "probably" started in a lab, the Wuhan lab EcoHealth partnered with has thousands of unpublished virus samples, and Chinese researchers have long been incredibly cagey about sharing all their virus samples with their American collaborators.
In 2018, EcoHealth had also proposed to engineer viruses at Wuhan with features "strikingly similar" to SARS-CoV-2, Chan notes. The Biden administration also cited EcoHealth's failure to monitor the work of its Chinese partners and report the results of its own experiments on time as the reason for debarring it from receiving federal funds.
When representatives asked Fauci yesterday whether Wuhan researchers might have performed experiments on these unpublished viruses that could have sparked the pandemic, his repeated response was that he couldn't comment on all the virological work being done across China.
At a minimum, that's an incredibly brazen exercise in blame shifting. By funding EcoHealth's virological work in Wuhan, Fauci's agency (and he, as director) had a responsibility to ensure the work being done there was being conducted safely and transparently.
Now, Fauci is baldly saying that he can't be expected to really know all of what's going on at a lab receiving U.S. taxpayer funding.
That's maddening all by itself. It also undermines Fauci's definitive statement that "the viruses that were funded by the NIH bio-genetically could not be the precursor to SARS-CoV-2." If Fauci doesn't know the full extent of the work the NIH funded, he can't say with certainty that it didn't spark a pandemic.
So in short, Fauci's latest position, repeated by congressional Democrats and his fans in the media, that a lab leak origin of COVID is possible but that it's still a conspiracy theory to say it resulted from NIH-funded research at Wuhan is as mendacious as his original word games with Sen. Paul.
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Is perjury a crime?
In this case, no.
(D)epends.
Outstanding
He might have immunity from that charge.
They should have needled him more, boosted his recollections.
^+1
Perhaps given him a shot, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
A courtesy for a gentleman....
Is this perjury? Dr. Fauci is staying within the letter of the law. You can charge perjury, but you cannot prove it.
Lying in Congressional hearings is absolutely a crime. It's also a law that's almost as selectively enforced as the New York law against "promoting or preventing the election of a person by illegal means".
Is this a thinko for mixing up "disbarred" and "barred", or was their banning a few days ago lifted?
this a thinko for mixing up “disbarred” and “barred”, or was their banning a few days ago lifted?
None of the above.
debar (V): to bar from having or doing something
"Debarred" is the correct legal term for companies/institutions which are prohibited from ever bidding for or receiving contracts or grants from the Federal Government.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debar
"It would be molecularly impossible" ????
I think this entire essay could be supported or undermined by pursuing if the statement "molecularly impossible" is true or false. From my understanding will molecular biology this very well could be an open and shut proof.
All the rest of this text is largely circumstantial and inferential witch hunting.
If you read the original analysis in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists by Nicholas Wade, former Science Editor at the NYT, what has been proven to a very high degree is that it was molecularly almost impossible that the COVID virus originated in nature. The addition of a furin cleavage site of the particular orientation found in COVID has never been found in a natural virus, but adding such a cleavage site to a Bat coronavirus was described as an objective in EcoHealth's 2018 proposal. With SARS, six intermediate forms of the virus were found in animals before the version that infected humans. With COVID, even after testing 80,000 creatures in Wuhan markets, no intermediate versions were found - it appeared perfectly adapted to infecting humans. Which is was the NIH had funded in 2018. From EcoHealth's Peter Daszak, who handled the money for the Wuhan Lab and was the principal decrier of the lab origin theory:
“And we have now found, you know, after 6 or 7 years of doing this, over 100 new SARS-related coronaviruses, very close to SARS,” Daszak says around minute 28 of the interview. “Some of them get into human cells in the lab, some of them can cause SARS disease in humanized mice models and are untreatable with therapeutic monoclonals and you can’t vaccinate against them with a vaccine. So, these are a clear and present danger….
“Interviewer: You say these are diverse coronaviruses and you can’t vaccinate against them, and no anti-virals — so what do we do?
“Daszak: Well I think…coronaviruses — you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily. Spike protein drives a lot of what happen with coronavirus, in zoonotic risk. So you can get the sequence, you can build the protein, and we work a lot with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this. Insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in the lab.
Thanks for the comment.
'Anthony Fauci Gives Misleading, Evasive Answers About NIH-Funded Research at Wuhan Lab'
At least the lying little cunt-weasel is consistent.
He's made a career -- almost as long as I've been alive -- by being a prevaricating, weasel worded, bureaucrat. He never, ever says "white is white" or "Up is up", he always couches a statement in broad and often irrelevant possibilities and generalizations. So he can never be nailed down for anything.
The dude's career should have ended with how he handled AIDS in the 80s, but in 2020-21 he was the leftist's hero. That's how good a weasel he is.
Fauci: The American version of Joseph Mengele
He really is, in so many ways.
I doubt people in the Reich were buying or selling religious items with Mengele's face on them.
I assure Mr britches and the fouchies of the world, if anything like this happens again, I will not respond the same way I did in 2020.
We now know this is not true.
Um, no, we knew back when Reason was taking Rand Paul to task about masking, but that's when it wasn't safe to discuss it.
So "We now know this is not true." should be changed to "We can talk about this, now that it's safe."
It would be more honest.
The commentariat trashed the editors from the beginning on the cough.
A lot.
*Reason* mouthpieces wanna act like they *now know* new information.
*We* knew it was true when Rand Paul caught Fauci lying.
We say that it's not the crime but the cover-up. In this case the fallout from either will be exactly the same.
Shyeah... it's the glint in the Milkman's eye, all the way to the twisted progeny it produced.
Why isn't Fauci already in jail? Oh, right, Merrick Garland.
I sure am glad he never made it to the Supreme Court. He's proven exactly why he is unqualified over and over the last few years.
He should be burned at the stake after his treason trial.
Mitch McConnell actually did something useful for once.
Oh, he’s trying to make it sound as if they were looking to see whether the virus could be induced to mutate into a tamer and less offensive strain.
Or they could be looking at what makes the virus even more potent. If you could deprive a virus of its “jet fuel,” then perhaps that could lead to treatment.
Now perhaps it could be the “open mind” of scientific experimentation and hope not to bias experimental results, but wouldn’t it make more sense that if gain of function could achieve a tamer virus, that it would sound much better saying that, instead?
Have to give Christian an attaboy. Actually did some real reporting.
There is no justice if Fauci does not do time in prison for his actions.
As I have asked in the past, what charges?
50,000 volts?
Beastly!
https://babylonbee.com/news/with-congressional-testimony-complete-dr-fauci-returns-to-hidden-lair-on-skull-island-to-hatch-next-evil-plot
Republicans' obsession with Dr. Fauci underlines for me that they want to avoid what is commonly known and that is the failure of the Trump administration to address the pandemic. No one will ever know whether a lab leak was the cause or natural exposure was the cause. What is more important is how to better spot future outbreaks and how to better respond and that seem to get little attention. I suspect the reason to avoid properly addressing the real issues of the pandemic is that it will point to the incompetence of then President Trump.
So, to be clear, you’re saying that you think Fauci didn’t fund GOF research in Wuhan after Obama paused funding for such research and that really, everyone is paying attention to the wrong, person or cause, even though he is and was NIAID director and that they should instead be paying attention to someone else whom you don’t name?
You’re an unfunny political version of almost 40 yr. old children's comedy/satire.
Sorry if I was unclear, the responsibility for the poor and incompetent US response to the Covid19 pandemic lays with then President Trump. I hope that clear up the matter.
The continued questioning of Dr. Fauci is a dodge to protect the former President. The questioning of GOF research is a run-down a rabbit hole. There is at this point no way to prove conclusively if Covid19 leaked from a lab or came from a natural source. You will note that as a person who worked in the field Dr. Fauci uses the Federal definition of GOF research defined during the Trump administration. So going by that Dr. Fauci did not fund dangerous GOF research.
Clown comment.
You must be doing Kool Aid enemas to buy all that at this point.
Fauci's leadership of the NIAID predates trump by umpteen presidential terms. Coupled with Fauci's subject matter expert level depth of knowledge as to..
.. the origins and handling of covid..
..then subsequent blatant perjury..
merits...
Faucian Atonement.
Sounds like a good reason to regulate research and limit the freedom of scientists.
Aside from that, Fauci made a classic mistake. As soon as Trump made a big deal about the "China Virus" and dared the left to push back on his Archie Bunker racism we have been caught in this stupid. Normally it would be a bipartisan issue. Normally Republicans wouldn't care about stifling research. Their bad faith in all of this is obvious. But there is bad faith on the left as well. Normally the left holds institutions to account for bad things that cause harm. In this case they don't want to cede any ground to the right. It's silly.
If the right were serious we would see all kinds of calls to regulate weapons research. Are they being consistent? How about scrutinizing big oil for the effects of our fossilized economy? How about looking at private pharmaceuitical research? Yeah, that's not happening.
This is like Marjorie Greene being upset about puppies but happily ignoring what happens in the factory farms all over the world. It's a stunt. Same thing with worrying about Fauci making money off of patents. Since when are Republicans worried about how patent proofits lead to bad incentives? Where were they the last 40 years when the left was yelling about big pharma?
The fact is that the far left and far right both question science and usually in service to some other goal. The right doesn't want to stop using fossil fuels while the left doesn't want to accept nuclear power or the need for high voltage transmission lines. Both the left and the right seem to fear vaccinations. The nation's government and private sector don't need to limit experts, but rather to correctly put the expert's opinion into context. If a person asked the doctor how much alcohol they can have a week, the doctor will be conservative and say none. The average person will likely stress their liver for the pleasure of a beer, glass of wine, or a cocktail. The problem with the pandemic is that the US lacked leadership to put expert opinion in context. That lack of leadership falls squarely on former President Trump head. The people knew that, and they fired him in 2020.
Gee really? Reason trying to flip the script since they were all in on "following the science" and licking the boots of the "experts".
How convenient to question the COVID-19 guidelines after the danger is gone. But at the time it was staring us square in the face we were more concerned about staying alive. And that was in the Americas, in Europe, in Asia, in Africa and all over the world. Yes, we did the right thing to impose the makeshift guidelines. Far more prudent to error on the side of caution. Indeed, some of us are alive today because of this. Nor should we act any differently in dealing with the unknown pathogens of the future.
This is satire right?
How the fuck does a mature, modern, highly visible and consequential organization let ONE henchman HEAD said organization for
FORTY
YEARS
?!
Anthony Fauci should be charged with multiple crimes. The trial should be televised and Anthony Fauci's legacy should be one of disgrace and corruption.
So now we know that the virus was created in a lab. We assume it was created in the bio lab in Wuhan. But what if it wasn't? What if all the lying, misdirection and censorship by Fauci and friends was for another reason, namely that the virus originated in the US? What if the virus was delivered to Wuhan by the US military entourage attending the 2019 Wuhan World Military Games? There is evidence to support this. Immediately after the games, there were outbreaks on US military bases and facilities that were home to US athletes that participated in the Wuhan games. Google "Tom Squitieri on covid origin" for some interesting facts.