Nearly Half of All Masters Degrees Aren't Worth Getting
According to new research, 23 percent of bachelor's degree programs and 43 percent of master's degree programs have a negative ROI.

Is college worth it? Well, it depends on what degree you're getting and where you're getting it, according to a new paper from the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity (FREOPP), an economic opportunity think tank.
While more than three-quarters of all bachelor's degrees have a positive return on investment (ROI), according to the paper, master's and associate degrees are much riskier bets—with many costing students in the long run.
The paper, by Senior Fellow Preston Cooper, examined data from over 50,000 degree and certificate programs at thousands of American colleges and universities. Cooper's analysis looked at how much students were earning immediately after graduation, as well as how much they were making 10 years later. The paper also took into account a student's chance of dropping out when calculating a degree program's ROI.
In all, Cooper found that 31 percent of students are enrolled in a program with a negative ROI—meaning that "the earnings benefits of the degree are unlikely to fully compensate students for the cost and risk of pursuing post-secondary education."
However, different kinds of degrees were more likely to have a negative ROI than others. For example, 77 percent of bachelor's degrees and doctoral and professional degrees have a positive ROI. In contrast, just 57 percent of master's and associate degree programs have a positive ROI.
For bachelor's degrees, fine arts, education, and biology programs had the lowest median ROI, while engineering, computer science, and nursing degrees gave students the highest long-term rewards.
However, where college students were enrolled also mattered when it came to ROI. For example, an English degree from the University of Virginia has a $581,925 positive return on investment—climbing to over $600,000 when only including students who graduated on time. In contrast, students at Virginia Commonwealth University—another public university—who majored in English have a negative $30,000 ROI, with just a $3,624 benefit for those who end up graduating on time.
"When choosing a college and program of study, students should evaluate several key variables that contribute to ROI. The most important is earnings after graduation," Cooper writes. "Besides starting salary, another critical factor is the institution's completion rate. While students' individual ability and motivation affects their likelihood of completion, research shows that college quality also has an impact on completion rates."
Cooper also pointed out just how much federal dollars go toward funding low-value degree programs. He found that 29 percent of the federal funding that went to the programs he studied went to programs with a negative ROI.
"That figure includes $37 billion in Pell Grants, $47 billion in loans to undergraduates, and $39 billion in loans to graduate students," Cooper writes. "Because ROI is negative for these programs, it's unlikely that most of those loan dollars will be repaid."
This latest paper paints a detailed picture of the kinds of concerns prospective students and their families should take into account when deciding whether to enroll in college. While bachelor's degrees are still a good bet overall, students need to consider what they'll really get out of both the major they want to study and the school they've been accepted into.
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The only path to making real money is having your own business.
Even that's a bit like describing an Indiana Jones-style adventure to to find and open a box that was going to melt the Nazis' faces whether you got up off the couch or not as a "path".
Back when the Fedgov started throwing money at women-owned businesses something like 8 muffin stores opened within a 5 mile radius of my house. And that's on top of all the other pre-existing mom-and-pop bakeries, Dunkin' Donuts, Starbucks, Paneras, etc. Now we're back to zero muffin shops and a couple fewer mom-and-pop bakeries.
No different than choosing the wrong degree.
To "your side" of the discussion, the Indiana Jones-style wasn't entirely whimsically chosen. Whether you pass the exam or fail, nobody sits their Grandkid on their knee and tells the story of how they crammed for their second final while composing their Master's thesis and even your undergrad sheepskin usually just gets tossed in a closet only to be discarded once you pass on (unless you start your own business and hang it on the wall); but, as long as you don't run your own business into the ground and leave a smoldering crater, the pursuit alone is a point of pride or distinction.
Yes, it takes a certain degree of risk evaluation, a huge amount of determination, hard work and self confidence.
I’ve gone to 5 or 6 cupcake or cookie shops in my area and they’ve all been terrible. They don’t taste bad they just don’t have any flavor at all. I fight the urge to go back and tell them their product sucks and they’re not going to make it.
Because gluten free is the new trend.
Free the Glutens!
No question. Even if you have a steady job, you should always have a family business/side gig going. If the job is demanding, focus on passive income-generating businesses. If not, you can be more active. The family business should definitely involve other people in your family. Make sure there is no overlap whatsoever between your day job and family business.
You don't need to make a killing. You need to turn a profit so you can get a tax break, but even netting enough to pay for groceries is going to help you big time.
Nerdwallet about small business. Overall, about two out of every three businesses with employees will last two years, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. About half will last five years.
Which is better odds?
So the Masters in basket weaving doesn’t pay off? Who’d a thunk it?
Not to mention Masters in "Gender or Wymyn's Studies', library science, Hospitality just to name a few.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VZjT0JE70
Hey, kids, here's a simple rule you can use to test your education plan: if you have to pay out of pocket to attend grad school (with some exceptions like med school), then your degree will only lead you to financial ruin. If the field of study and institution offer you stipends, assistantships, and tuition waivers, you MIGHT be on a productive path.
Basically the same thing my father offered me many years ago: he'd pay for the undergrad degree, but was clear that if I wanted an advanced degree I'd need to come up with my own funding for that. Being a chemistry lab teaching assistant was fun in the 1980's; not sure how fun it would be today.
I have to say that an MS in chemistry (even from a minor state university) paid off quite nicely.
I prefer that my Starbucks barista have a masters degree. I don't like to count my change.
Counting is white supremacy.
Look at Mr. Old School using cash.
If your barista has even a BS, I suggest they can't even match the change to what the computer tells them.
A junior high dropout is more likely to count properly.
Agreed, but "ROI" can also be non-financial, e.g. job satisfaction, necessary for career and profession etc. Taking this at face value no one should want to be a teacher or a marine ecologist because they would make more money without a degree at all in a craft or trade. But if you want to be a teacher and you don't want to be an electrician, the degree is necessary no matter what it costs.
It used to be that a college degree was a luxury for the wealthy. Now you can't be a fucking barista without one.
Well, degree creep is a separate issue. What jobs SHOULD require a college degree is separate from the "supply and demand" marketplace issue. If coffee shops are flooded with applications from college graduates, why shouldn't they make a college degree a "requirement?" Assuming, of course, that being a college graduate doesn't actually impair one's ability to make coffee and ring it up on a card reader ...
Or break solder at Motorola--but Poetry Appreciation still workz!
But if you want to be a teacher and you don’t want to be an electrician, the degree is necessary no matter what it costs.
Right. A degree in education is an absolute must in order to make sure you don't electrocute anyone and/or burn down the school and not just a feel good slip of paper that the school district makes you get before implementing someone else's hybrid-at-home learning plan and that you can brag to your friends about after putting off "book club" for a year or two.
Again ... two separate issues. Whether a degree in education actually prepares one to be a good teacher or not is a quality and education system question, not a "ROI" question for the individual.
Do trade school give degrees? I thought they give certs. Unlike teachers that once you pass, you never have to recert
Exactly. I'm not sure I've met one person in my class who got a BS Biology with an eye towards Fish and Wildlife Mgt like myself who were in it for the big payoff. We all knew we would be lucky to break even but the job was the thing. Money isn't everything.
Job satisfaction is an iffy thing. I can think of periods of months and even years when all I was doing was showing up so that I could pay the bills. Work shouldn't be something you loathe, or have ethical issues with, but at the end of the day, is about the paystub every other Friday.
Family, home, hobbies are for satisfaction, and if they are worthwhile, even those will have their struggles at times.
Almost everything in life is an iffy thing more or less. Of course you also have to pay the bills. Getting a degree that doesn't get you a job is pointless. The question here is "ROI" - some people would much rather make less money in a particular career than make more money in an occupation they loathe. Some people won't be satisfied until they are making more than a million dollars a year and don't much care how they make it.
First, I agree that a ROI can be nonfinancial and I would encourage anyone thinking about an advanced degree to be sure they consider more than just the financial gain. You can probably make more without an additional degree.
Ask me how great it is that the State of Texas decided you need a Masters Degree in Architecture AND an internship.
Humorously I'd bet the study was actually Pro-Education. Did the Investment-side of the R.O.I. include that 30% of federal $ directly to the student? Did it include all the school grants/subsidies? Did it include Biden's new ?free? 'armed-theft' forgiveness?
'Armed-Theft' IN-justice is a net-negative every time.
'Guns' don't make sh*t.
Their only asset to humanity is to ensure Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
Step 1: overturn Griggs vs Duke Power.
This insight seems quite powerful in the context of (1) superstitious slack-jaws spending time in church and (2) drawling, half-educated rubes giving money to churches, televangelists, faith healers, etc.
Thank you, Emma Camp!
(By the way, I (writing degree, working part-time) likely earn in a month what you earn in a year. What degree did you choose to place you on such a shambling path? Don't despair, though -- maybe some rich guy will marry you.)
You’re really bad at this.
Just awful.
Miserable fuck of a human being, as well.
How much you want to bet that Arty is the biggest sniveling coward ever if you were to meet him in person?
You need some work on your trolling.
Zzzzzzzzzzz.....
With the debatable exception of fields where a degree is legally required to work, NO degree at any level is worth the paper the diploma is printed on. What you should have learned getting the degree has theoretical value. In real life, what you DO with the knowledge is the only thing with real value.
Note: If you research the pioneers in ANY fields, without exception, NONE of them had advanced degrees in related fields, and most didn't have actual degrees, because they were too busy inventing the field to get one.
"What you should have learned getting the degree"
Today is; Sustaining one's living through Gov-Gun-Theft of the 'worker' slaves.
Coming from a "hard sciences" (physics, chem, biochem, engineering, etc.) background, I have to disagree. There are many basic concepts and facts that you need to have readily on hand, and the ability to look them up online ain't quick enough for the way the mind solves problems when you're roughing out how to approach something.
I agree with Groundtruth below, coming from a BS in physics, MS in Space Science, and working at NASA for manned space flight for 25+ - some degrees you need.
The degree at least shows you have been exposed to concepts, can apply them, and think through them. Yes, new stuff is taught/reinforced but the having a specific degree helps you evaluate or take a risk on someone for a position.
"Do you understand Orbital Mechanics?"
"No, but I know 52 genders from my gender studies"
"well, sweet you are hired!"
The gender-studies bit is good for trolling. Hardly anyone gets those degrees and those who do tend to get a human resources job or a marketing analyst job if the degree comes from a prestigious school. If they get a gender studies degree from a mediocre school they deserve to be a barista.
ROI is not the only consideration for degree choice. I know "conservatives" don't value things that elevate society or contribute beauty to the world, but I do and I'm damn glad some number of college students do.
'Armed-Theft' elevates society and contributes beauty to the world?
The complete BS of *excuses* people like you use to be 'armed-robbers' is pathetic. Go PAY THE BILL like an honest person instead of trying to STEAL from everyone else for what YOU desire.
You can even go start your own [Na]tional So[zi]alist membership club and share the bill but you have ZERO standing to put Gov-Gun-Theft into your utopian equation.
Fuck off, asshole. If you can’t be civil, just go away. Muted. Buh-bye.
No, we value those things. Your kind value other things. The kind that destroy society, and are malignant and parasitic.
Face it Ed, you’re pure fucking evil.
Kiss off, punk. Muted. Buh-bye.
When a person has a college degree that literally means nothing or has nothing to offer as in the way of being marketable, they will contribute nothing. Furthermore, because they have incurred massive debt which this administration is forcing onto the taxpayers, thus, creating a negative effect on society.
Therefore those degrees are not only useless, costly, and provide nothing to society, in which the holder of that degree can only find income as a barista if they can even find that.
To make it worse, those degrees come with massive woke indoctrination which makes them unpalatable for employment.
From Emma camps bio
"She graduated from the University of Virginia in 2022 with degrees in Philosophy and English Literature."
She clearly knows about useless degrees
Is not to worry, Komrade. Soon you will be paying for her education thanks to Joetato's college bail out grift.
So her origin story is that she fell into a vat of useless redundancy.
Emma is using her degrees. She spins a story to fit her philosophy. Easier to lie if you can write great stories!
I have neither masters nor PhD. But from what I can see of my coworkers, a masters degree doesn't mean anything at all, other than possibly getting you in the door. But entering a doctorate program, even if never finished, is enough for significant career returns.
How of course there are tech companies who won't even consider you unless you have a masters degree. It's a way of weeding out those with useless bachelors in an era of useless bachelor degrees. But once you're in the door, the differences do not mean much at all.
At over six decades of life, NOT ONCE have I ever needed to show my college transcripts, let alone my high school diploma. Literally, no employer has ever asked to see my degree, grades, transcripts, etc.
As economist Bryan Caplan says, the sheepskin is just a signalling device that you can stick to a project for four years. The extra two years for a masters isn't significant enough to matter for signalling. But the extreme effort to get a doctorate is significant and employers do care.
The only reason employers use masters degrees as a gating mechanism, is because bachelors have become worthless. If you can get in to the industry via an internship, why bother with a masters at all?
Great way to start out in life, owing $150,000 for a fake college degree in gender or wymyn's studies or what ever other useless degree they got suckered into. Recently there have been a number of articles that featured a list of absolutely useless and expensive college degrees that are totally unmarketable. So now president Joetato wants us to pay for their stupidity. FJB
The good news is that more and more young people are opting for a real education in the hands on fields, anything from welding to plumbing, electrical and A&P (that's airframe and power plant), even carpentry. They're the ones who will make the big money when near literate college graduates can't change a light bulb or deal with a clogged toilet. They're the ones who will be shutting off the power to someone with a degree in trans studies who can't pay their electric bill because they have no job.
All of this because Bill Clinton thought it would be a great idea to get every young person a college degree with easy money student loans, which you and I are being forced at gunpoint to pay off because the communists in Joetato's administration order it.
Oh, and F DEI along with it.
Getting a Phd by plagiarizing appears to have a very high ROI.
Get you a job at Harvard or any other overpriced fake university.
But not if you’re a honky.
What worries me is when I hear that certain professions require an advanced degree for employment. The job market for these professions are so full of applicants that employer look for extras degrees when the job really will not pay for extra cost. Some of this is on the employer but some also on the students. I would steer clear of any profession that requires a master's degree. I just don't think you will ever recoup the cost.
BTW - I have a MS in chemistry. I don't think it brought me extra money, but it got me a job I really liked. I could have gotten a job as a chemist with my BS degree, but I got a better job having the MS. I did not make more money but did more interesting work and have greater autonomy. I also appreciate what I learned and found it useful in my work.
When I started 26 years ago, my masters was worth an extra 2500 dollars. 32K base, with 2500 for masters on top. (I just graduated)
"It's not much but it's honest work"
Kurt Vonnegut's parents insisted he take calculus, chemistry and physics, which he did. And he wrote books...
Isaac Asimov held degrees in chemistry. I hear he wrote some books. Some of them about robots.....
A great writer and a person with something to fall back on if the publishers had rejected his early submissions.
I have two masters in engineering. The first one I think allowed me to come in one or two levels higher than the bachelors folks. The 2nd one was mid-career, paid for by my workplace, and was responsible to some extent for a boost into management. Eventually I discovered being in middle management was awful.