Will American Troops Be Sucked Into an Israeli-Iranian War?
President Biden said that we will “do all we can to protect Israel’s security” after Israel killed an Iranian general.

It looks like Israel and Iran are going to war, and the United States might join in. Two weeks ago, Israeli forces bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus, Syria, and killed seven Iranian military officers, including a general. Iran has vowed to respond, The Wall Street Journal reports that the U.S. government expects a direct Iranian attack on Israel over the weekend.
On Friday, the State Department issued travel restrictions for staff at the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, along with a warning about what to do in the event of rocket or artillery attacks. Iran has a variety of weapons that can reach Israel, from sophisticated ballistic missiles to cheap kamikaze drones.
By all accounts, the United States did not know about the Israeli attack on the Iranian consulate beforehand. (U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin complained to the Israeli military about the lack of warning, The Washington Post reported.) Yet President Joe Biden has promised Israel "ironclad" support all the same.
"We're going to do all we can to protect Israel's security," Biden said on Wednesday. His press secretary added the next day that "we warned Iran not to use this attack as a pretext to escalate further in the region or to attack U.S. facilities or personnel."
Iran has issued its own warning: not to stand in the way. The Biden administration received an Iranian message claiming that U.S. forces will become a target if they stand in the way of Iran's retaliation, according to The Intercept. A small number of U.S. troops are stationed in Israel for air defense and intelligence sharing missions. General Michael E. Kurilla, head of U.S. forces in the Middle East, is currently in Israel with them.
Iranian diplomats have had a flurry of meetings this week with foreign representatives urging Iran not to retaliate. Israel has also said that it will retaliate directly to any Iranian attack. But Iranian leaders are angry enough that they have talked themselves into a corner.
"When they attack the consulate, it is as if they have attacked our soil," Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said in a speech for the holiday of Eid al-Fitr on Wednesday. "The evil regime made a mistake and must be punished and it shall be."
Israel has bombed Iranian troops in Iraq and Syria before, but Iran has written these attacks off as a loss. The difference seems to be that this month's attack targeted a consulate. Attacking diplomatic facilities is considered a major red line in international law. Israeli army spokesman Daniel Hagari claimed that the Iranian consulate in Damascus was really a military base "disguised as a civilian building."
Although the bombing of the consulate came as a surprise to everyone outside the Israeli leadership, the Israeli-Iranian conflict has been brewing for a long time. Over the past few years, Khamenei has called Israel a cancerous tumor that needs to be excised, and Israeli leaders have in turn said that Iran is an octopus they will behead.
Iran is a longtime supporter of Hamas, the group that rampaged through Israeli towns last October, sparking the current war in Gaza. The New York Times reported this week that Iran is now running guns to other Palestinian rebels in hopes of fomenting unrest across the Palestinian Territories.
And since the war in Gaza began, Israel has also been fighting a border war in Lebanon against the Iranian-backed militia Hezbollah. Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant wanted to launch a full-scale attack on Lebanon early in the war, only to be talked down by the Biden administration.
So far, the United States has supported Israel's war effort from a distance, providing weapons and intelligence. U.S. troops, with a few exceptions, have not directly been in the line of fire. The Biden administration has repeatedly insisted that it has "no plans or intentions to put U.S. boots on the ground in combat."
But Biden is now letting Israel and Iran make that decision for him. Even though he was blindsided by the consulate attack, he has implied that the United States will absorb some of those consequences. Iran, meanwhile, is being vague about exactly what those consequences will be.
The news site Amwaj.media speculated that Iran could attack the Golan Heights, a territory that Israel captured from Syria in a 1967 war. Although Israel and the United States consider it Israeli territory, other countries consider the Golan to be occupied Syrian land, which might tone down the international reaction to Iran's attack.
Pushing back on the speculation, an Iranian diplomatic source told Amwaj.media that he "doubts if anybody except for a few actually know" Iran's next move. "These are all guesses."
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Never underestimate joe’s ability to fuck things up.
World War 3 incoming.
Which side is on trial in the international court of justice for committing genocide?
We should support the other side.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shit.
Jews, not Nazis or Iranians, are committing a holocaust in Gaza.
Fuck off and die, LYING pile of Nazi shit.
“Hundreds of Bodies Found in Mass Graves at Al-Shifa Hospital 'Bulldozed
by Israel and Buried Like Trash'
A bipartisan pair of AIPAC-funded senators have introduced a new bill
backed by the Anti-Defamation League aimed at silencing criticism of
Jews and Israel and policing Americans' online speech.
The bill comes as Israel is committing an active genocide of
Palestinians with US-supplied bombs and inducing a man-made famine in Gaza.”
Fuck off and die a slow painful death, LYING pile of Nazi shit.
So you support the Mullahs of Iran...
who not only put out a fatwah and a bounty on the head of Salman Rushdie simply for his writing of The Satanic Verses...
but who sent also sent out assassin's against Iranian dissenters throughout Europe...
and who also attacked the Israeli Embassy and the Jewish Community Center in Argentina, in our own Hemisphere?
Well, that is par for the course for an asshole like you who would prosecute and imprison people for stating facts which you deludedly call lies.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
I don’t, will never, support a holocaust like Jews are committing in Gaza.
That you do demonstrates what you are.
Eat shit and die, LYING pile of Nazi shit.
When you say “Nazis”, everyone hears “Jews”.
Fuck, I need to buy space in a Vault Tech facility for my family. I hear the closest one plans to recreate the late Roman Empire and the non premium members will be forced to fight in the arena for food! I look great in a toga! This will be great!
America has already been fully engaged in the Global War Against Everything for over three decades now. The United States should not have responded militarily to the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. The United States should not have invaded Afghanistan. The United States should not have engaged in a secret war against the enemies of the Shah of Iran. Not only is it impossible to defeat terrorism around the globe, it's a bad idea to try.
It was both necessary and justified to go into Afghanistan to take out Al Qaeda. To the extent Taliban opposed us doing it they needed to be dealt with also. But yeah, after that declare mission accomplished and leave.
The problem with wars against nouns is that nouns can't be defeated, and it's embarrassing to surrender to a word. So the wars must go on and on. Forever.
Terrorists, tyrants and criminals all have names, which makes them Proper Nouns…and they all go down the same way and if successful, it is permanent.
I see that someone needs a lesson from Schoolhouse Rock:
https://youtu.be/929mBQPQB3g?feature=shared🙂
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The only addendum I can add is that Nouns also include IDEAS and ideas that contradict reality, such as those that undergird terrorism, clearly can be defeated
Drugs, poverty, and terrorism, are not proper nouns. They can't surrender. As long as they exist then the wars against them can't end. Which means wars must go on forever and ever and ever.....
Ending the wars on Poverty, Drugs, Porn, Gambling, Sex Work, Lawn Darts, and Misinformation/Disinformation/Malinformation would enable government to do it's proper function of upholding Life, Liberty, and Property against violence, including the violence of terrorism.
Are you insane! The religious right and the Marxist left wouldn't stand for that!
Well, we can't defeat terrorists if we stay afterwards and "nation-build" nations that should never be built up and "win hearts and minds" of savages who've clearly shown they have neither hearts nor minds.
And we damn sure can't defeat terrorists if we give terrorist bankrollers a monopoly in the global oil market by restricting our own production and a monopoly on drugs by making the drugs illegal to produce and sell at home.
Defeating terrorism is as easy as defeating tyranny and crime: They are all forms of plundering Life, Liberty, and Property, and as Bastiat observed, plunder only stops when it is made more difficult and painful (and if necessary, deadly) than labor.
Terrorism isn't plunder. It's the use of violence to achieve political ends.
All acts of initiated coercion such as terrorism plunder Life, Liberty, and Property.
That wasn't what Bastiat was talking about. If you're going to invoke him, the least you could do is do it based upon what he said.
Given how you don’t have any understanding of definition of words or concepts, as proven daily here, you hav enough business attempting to correct anyone.
So just slink on back to your refrigerator box you drink shitweasel.
Plunder is about property. Attacks on life and liberty have other words.
Murder is taking or plundering the Life of the innocent. Slavery is taking or plundering the Liberty of the innocent.
Initiation of coercion is always a taking or plundrring, as The Philosophy of Liberty so eloquently puts it:
https://youtu.be/5n3h3_u6yOc?si=3ZhcvLwz3NZPb7cP
We were confused after the wildly successful nation building of Japan, South Korea and West Germany.
If there is a war between Israel and Iran, I hope Israel takes the gloves off and eliminates their regime.
While U.S. military might threw off and kept off tyranny for these nations, their economic and cultural successes were largely the result of their own efforts of adapting freer forms of political economy.
It certainly doesn’t work with Muslims.
Sadly, unless they are steeped in the philosophy and practices of the Secular West, you are indeed correct.
Both Germany and Japan were transformed into successful nations long before the America occupation. In the 19th century under Bismark and Meiji. In Korea, the Japanese occupation was building the nation, but it was only after the war that the building took off, thanks to the Japanese models the Korean dictators followed. (Zaibatsu -> Chaebol, Mitsubishi/Hyundai)
Dictators aren't what made Japan, South Korea, and Germany more economically prosperous, but rather, the extent to which they adopted Free-Market Capitalism. They would be even more prosperous if the adopted it further, as would we in the U.S.
Alas, Capitalist operations like Über and Lyft don't hire Rickshaw Boys and certainly not Jew-Hating shit-stirrers like you!
So Fuck Off, Broke-Ass Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
Bismark and the Meiji emperor were not free market capitalists. President Park of South Korea was a dictator, and not a free market capitalist. He initiated laws which punished the export of currency from South Korea with the death penalty. Some freedom.
Feel free to ask any questions about the economic development of these countries. It's an interesting subject. Anyone telling you their development was due to the adoption of the free market is pulling your leg. It was all highly regulated.
Dictators and regulators can't give anything that they don't first take from someone who produces it.
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
Dictators can provide leadership and direction. President Park of South Korea is a good example. Though he was a murderer and torturer, he set in motion Korea's economic revival after the war, adopting the zaibatsu model from his birthplace, Japan. Also he instituted various programs like electrifying the villages, opening schools, building bridges, reforesting the ravaged mountain sides and so on. None of this was free market capitalism. In fact it was more like communism.
Again, don't be shy about asking questions. It's an interesting topic.
"Iran has vowed to respond"
Statements like this are why I can't respect most journalists. Can Petti not apply a modicum of common sense? Is it a mandatory rule of journalism to take statements of a theocratic dictatorship at face-value?
Iran has already been neck-deep in this for decades as the funder of both Hezbollah and Hamas.
And they have nuclear weapons incoming.
"We're going to do all we can to protect Israel's security,"
Knowing the anti-semitic democrats, nothing will turn out to be all we can do.
I hope so.
The limits of what I could support:
1. Allowing them to buy, at market price and using their own money, military equipment made by US manufacturers, if those manufacturers are so inclined.
2. Abstaining from (not vetoing) any toothless UN resolutions.
3. Vetoing UN resolutions to actually do something, but mainly because in general the UN shouldn't be doing anything more than being a neutral safe spot to talk.
4. If we stumble on some specific intelligence about an imminent attack on them while working on our own interests, sharing it.
It won’t be ‘nothing’. Do you understand that despite the public rhetoric, Biden’s puppeteers are giving billions to Iran and doing everything they can to bring about the destruction of Israel?
‘Nothing’ would be a huge step up for Israel’s survival,
Doing nothing is fine.
Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.
-Napoleon Bonaparte
Except you and your fellow travelers enabled this turd of an administration to reck the world, and they are doing so.
This is on you.
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Oh, you caught a typo. Congrats asshole.
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Congrats asshole.
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
Israel, honestly, does not NEED our help.
Just support.
Back them in doing literally anything they need to do to win.
"Back them in doing literally anything they need to do to win."
Because God's backing isn't enough? Blasphemer!
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
They're Jews, not Muslims.
They are both monotheists. And believe there is only one god. Do they worship the same god, or each a different god?
I would love to see them exterminate all the Islamists, and anyone who collaborates with them.
Historically nothing boosts a president's approval ratings like a shock and awe boots on the ground war with some demonic foreign enemy. This one may be the exception to the rule. Gonna be a tough sale in Dearborn. Ukraine on the other hand is still on the table. The regime is desperate so I wouldn't be surprised if they go down that hole. But the bottom line is if the Biden neocons are still in charge after November, WW3 is pretty much assured.
The democrats should be eliminated before they start a nuclear war.
I doubt the US troops can spare the time.
The Navy has to watch the drag queen rehearsals, the army has to attend DEI classes, and determine how low to make the physical training barriers, the air force is busy rebuilding barracks to deal with all ?? genders, and the Marines can't get to the battle because the Navy spent all their assault ship money on figuring out why nobody signs up anymore.
Besides, we gave Ukraine all the ammunition we didn't leave in Afghanistan.
As a non-veteran, you're a fool with idiotic ideas about the military. Man up and join up.
I am a veteran Ed. So fuck off. You have no Beumer discussing America’s military. That’s the business of Americans. Not democrat filth.
"The Navy has to watch the drag queen rehearsals,"
The navy has bigger fish to fry. After 6 months, they've yet to stop the attacks on shipping in the Red Sea by the Houthi militia. Securing the Persian Gulf for the international trade in oil might not be possible.
Drag queen rehearsals and performances do indeed take place in times of war. See the movie South Pacific. Ray Walston in drag as a native girl singing 'Honey Bun' with Mitzi Gaynor dressed as a male sailor for a fictionalized portrayal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKLHQTShAoc
You’re such a worthless democrat tool.
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
misconstrueman, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
You're saying movies are real life now?
Navy drag shows are real life. Always have been.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. It's interesting to note that all the singing voices in the movie, and there are over a dozen, are dubbed from other singers. All except Walston and Gaynor, whose voices are their own and not dubbed. And Honey Bun is the only number where they sing together in duet.
Build a border fence around the Middle East, perhaps?
"It looks like Israel and Iran are going to war, and the United States might join in."
And don't forget Russia. Since Israel bombed the Iranian consulate in Damascus, Russia not only condemned the action, but increased her presence in Golan Heights, which also have been subject to increasing Israeli attacks.
Yeah, you democrats are really working hard to get us into WW3. You do understand this is all your fault, right?
"You do understand this is all your fault, right?"
What? I'm not Israeli. I'm not even Jewish. I had nothing to do with bombing the consulate.
Israel isn’t at fault you cunt. You voted for Biden and spread democrat propaganda every day. So you and your fellow travelers made this, and nearly every evil thing in the world happen. Jus like Russia invading Ukraine, which would never have happened without you scumbags fucking things up.
Yes it is, you cunt. Russia increased presence on the Golan Heights within hours of the Israeli attack on the consulate of Damascus, you cunt.
All of this happens because of you democrats. All of it.
It’s your fault. And I’m not the cunt here. You are. If you had an ounce of humanity, you would commit suicide for what you have wrought.
"All of this happens because of you democrats."
Because you were too chicken shit to stop the steal when you had the chance. Reap what ye sew.
The asshole misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
Israel reminds me of the wimpy little kid on the playground who recruits a big bruiser friend so his security can be protected when he attacks and provokes other kids.
Yeah, you would say that. You remind me of Alger Hiss and every other limp wristed Marxist traitor.
It's odd you say that since it's MAGAs like you that treasonously tried to overthrow the US government on January 6, 2021.
LOL
No one tried to overthrow the government. You’re a pathetic joke for saying that. And I haven’t been within two thousand miles of DC in over a decade.
Besides, republicans are incapable of treason. Whereas you democrat filth are incapable of patriotism.
"No one tried to overthrow the government. "
Why not?
It isn't possible anymore.
"It isn’t possible anymore."
They never tried. Thousands showed up answering the call to 'stop the steal.' They were unarmed, for god's sake.
The first sensible thing you’ve said.
"Israel reminds me of the wimpy little kid on the playground who recruits a big bruiser friend so his security can be protected when he attacks and provokes other kids."
This is the kind of bizarre scenario that sarc would claim as an anecdote.
All the more impressive that the “wimpy little kid” is pulling off a “genocide” in gaza, don’t you think, ed?
Lol. Moron.
"Will American Troops Be Sucked Into an Israeli-Iranian War?"
I still think Biden's handlers realize the worst possible thing they could do for his reelection chances is to have American soldiers dying for Ukraine / Israel / wherever.
"the worst possible thing they could do for his reelection chances is to have American soldiers dying "
They've been dying already for a while now, I'm sure. There are American mercenaries fighting and dying with the Nazis in Ukraine, and American/Israeli dual citizens doing the same in Gaza. Are these deaths hurting Biden?
Yes. Biden is wildly unpopular. Despite what your democrat masters order you to think.
"Biden is wildly unpopular."
You mean Joe? I'm not surprised. I prefer Hunter. There's a Biden who lives life to the full.
Hunter should get in with it and OD. You should set yourself on fire. Just make sure that you don’t burn too fast. Since you deserve to suffer.
I'm talking about uniformed members of the US military sent to a war zone by Commander in Chief Joe Biden and dying there while participating in direct combat.
My opinion of the Biden Admin. is pretty low. But I have to believe they're not so outrageously stupid that they'd jeopardize his campaign like that. It's hard to imagine a quicker way to tank his numbers with Independent swing voters.
I'm not thrilled with all the money we're giving Ukraine either but at least Biden's people can argue "This is such a bargain, we're degrading Russia's military capability without sacrificing American lives."
"I’m talking about uniformed members of the US military"
What about reserves? Not military enough for you? Three reservists killed by Iraqi militia bombardment in January this year. Nobody gives a shit. Or the American aid worker killed by Israeli missile strikes just days ago. Not even Reason saw fit to mention it.
They can argue that but the reality is Russia's military and economy are doing fine.
They are already "training" in nations that border the Ukraine. I know some kids who are in the infantry and they have shut up about what they are up to. That's never a good sign.
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
An Israel-Iran war would be very brief, ending with mushroom clouds over Tehran.
That won't stop Hamas. They are stronger now than ever. Israel once believed that the US removing Saddam Hussein of Iraq would solve their problems with Palestine. It didn't. They are just as mistaken if they think that regime change in Iran will do the trick.
I’m sure you’re wet with anticipation over another Jewish Holocaust.
" another Jewish Holocaust."
That won't stop Hamas either. They've never been stronger than they are today.
You really gobble up their propaganda like pablum, don’t you?
It's important to follow the propaganda. A big part of this conflict is managing the information war. If you aren't following the claims of both sides as well as other actors including the news media, you're not getting a full picture.
Your li tire is t very clear. This is unsurprising.
What will it take for you to follow in Aaron Bushnell's footsteps?
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a lying antisemitic piece of shit.
I thoughly agree, but please mix it up when you insult Misconstreman. Don't turn into a copypasta machine like Sevo did.
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You're right. And I am capable of doing better.
Why not? Do you think the shitheads turd or trueman are worth more than copy-pastes?
I wouldn't turn myself into a living loop tape over these assholes. Find fresh new ways to insult and deride them and at least keep your mind active.
I will be more...creative. 😉
Don't bother. Your comments aren't important. Just continue to read mine. That's all I ask. I neither want nor expect any creativity from you.
No it wouldn't. Israel isn't as stupid as you think it is.
You, OTOH, are far, far, more stupid.
I wish they'd have the balls to resolve the whole middle east and parts of Africa with a nuclear solution. However that will never happen. It's hard to tax Americans when Washington DC is a radioactive crater and mushroom odds dot the horizons.
So, this is a very interesting group of commenters. There are only a few comments that are even reasonable. I can't fully agree with really any of them. This is a lot of the worst of both sides.
But can we agree, whenever someone writes this:
"Iran is a longtime supporter of Hamas"
It should really be:
"Iran, like Benjamin Netanyahu, is a longtime supporter of Hamas."
I clearly don't understand Israeli politics if his funding of Hamas and botching of preventing and then responding to October 7 didn't immediately end his political career.
Also, it is absolutely unacceptable that Israel does not inform us of attacks on other countries before hand. If we're paying a significant portion of their defense, they must keep us in the loop. If they want to go it alone, then let them go it alone.
Another "lawyer" like windycityattorney.
"I clearly don’t understand Israeli politics if his funding of Hamas"
It's not so complicated. Divide and conquer. The Palestinians were once united under the PLO, and with the rise of Hamas, thanks in part to the corruption of the PLO and Israel's tacit support. Gaza and the rest of Palestinian territories were divided.
As the occupying power, Israel is responsible for the administration of the territories it occupies. This was the case in Gaza, until the Israeli pull out about 20 years ago. Maintaining an occupation of a resentful populace like the Palestinians is expensive, dangerous and consumes a lot of time and effort, when Jews of Israel have other things to do; rave concerts don't organize themselves.
Israel decided to hand the administration of Gaza over to Hamas. That's why today we have the Hamas run Gaza police force, the Hamas run Gaza ministry of health, the Hamas run Gaza ministry of education etc. Hamas was only too happy to take the burdens of occupation from Israel's shoulders.
"I clearly don’t understand Israeli politics"
I think it's American politics and corruption that is the sticking point. Reagan characterized the Israeli bombing of Beirut in 1982 as a 'holocaust,' and after an angry phone call to the Israeli PM Begin, the bombing campaign was halted within the half hour. And it was at the end of last year, I believe, that the Pakistani PM Imran Khan (I think a decent man) made some sympathetic comments about Russia. America organized his removal from power immediately. He survived assassination attempts, and he's currently in jail now on ridiculous charges with several family members.
It's notable that Biden has spared the Israeli leadership the same treatment and seems ready to keep them in power.
It’s not so complicated. Divide and conquer.
I understand Netanyahu’s Machiavellian calculus in participating in the funding and strengthening of Hamas. He wanted a counterweight to the PLO and Hezbollah so that a two-state solution was infeasible and politically unpalatable at home. But his strategy was, to any sane person, too clever by half and bears some direct responsibility for Hamas currently holding Israeli and American hostages and for the massacre on October 7th. How has there not been more pressure on him to resign?
It’s not his amoral political calculus that I don't understand at all (I'm sure I don't understand it completely, of course), it’s the state of the Israeli electorate that doesn’t get rid of their leader who bears some direct responsibility for the worst attack on Israeli soil in decades.
It’s notable that Biden has spared the Israeli leadership the same treatment and seems ready to keep them in power.
Biden doesn’t have the power to remove Israeli leadership. It’s quite clear that he would prefer to deal with someone other than Netanyahu. (Which fact alone seems to garner Netanyahu support from the American right, despite Netanyahu’s participation in the funding of Hamas.)
Biden’s puppeteers are going behind Netanyahu’s back to undermine and replace him. Biden and his regime should be rounded up and thrown in GitMo until a tribunal can be convened to convict them of treason for this, and so many other reasons.
"Biden and his regime should be rounded up and thrown in GitMo"
That won't stop Hamas, any more than the Coalition of the Willing taking down Saddam Hussein of Iraq did. But you don't care about Hamas, do you.
Your assessment of what will stop your islamist heroes means absolutely nothing. You’re too stupid to understand such things.
Now fuck off and let adults talk. You have no business here.
"Now fuck off and let adults talk."
Bluster and insults aren't going to stop Hamas. You're getting desperate.
He's clearly just a troll.
You just reposted to one. He’s openly admitted it. And you’re the one making nonsense claims.
In short, I’m not the troll. That’s you.
"How has there not been more pressure on him to resign? "
There has. In Israel. Large and vociferous demonstrations. Growing pressure to resign for his incompetence in allowing the Al Aqsa Flood to take place, and his unwillingness in sealing a deal to return the hostages, put an end to Palestinian attacks, or cleanse the Gaza strip of non Jews. I suspect Israel Jews were so discombobulated by the attack, they reflexively put their support behind the PM, just like Americans reflexively supported G.W.Bush after 9/11. It was only a lot later Americas woke up to the blunders committed in the wake of the trauma.
As for lack of American pressure to resign, we have the corrupting influence of the Jewish lobby to thank for Biden's continuing support. Any outright opposition to Israel or the leadership will result in funds normally going to Democrat coffers, going somewhere else.
Nope. I’m sure that’s what your fellow travelers tell you, but you’re a moron who regularly lies, and has an overwhelming tendency to be wrong about everything.
Enough about this Hamas/Israel stuff. Let's discuss me!
We could discuss you. Let's be succinct: You are a lying, anti-semitic POS.
I've no complaints as long as you keep reading. You don't need to be succinct. I prefer expansive comments when I'm the subject.
misconstrueman, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. misconstrueman is a nasty-ass anti-semite, a pathological liar, and is also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a pathetic anti-semite.
misconstrueman lies; it’s what he does. misconstrueman is a
TDS-addled lying antisemitic piece of shit.
Why do you leftists hate Jews so much?
just like Americans reflexively supported G.W.Bush after 9/11.
Except George W. Bush, for all his many faults, wasn't found to have funded Al Qaeda and his administration didn't sit on intelligence that could have prevented the attack (yes, there were missteps, but not of the same order of magnitude and it was during a transition form one administration to another, so his administration doesn't get full blame), and his immediate response in the aftermath wasn't incompetent.
Granted, I never understood why he would get rewarded with a second term for his demonstrated incompetence, but he wasn't found to have actually caused 9/11 in the way that Netanyahu (through funding Hamas and incompetence) bears responsibility for 10/7.
As for lack of American pressure to resign...
It's pretty clear we would like a different PM, but it is not appropriate for the U.S. to pressure an ally's democratically elected leader to resign. However, their using of our funds to attack Iran and potentially start a war (to say nothing of the way they are conducting the war in Gaza) is a subject on which the U.S. should exert pressure. He who pays the piper picks the tune. Israel should be reminded of that.
“but he wasn’t found to have actually caused 9/11 in the way that Netanyahu (through funding Hamas and incompetence) bears responsibility for 10/7.”
True enough, and Netanyahu’s bungling of Israel’s security is so blatantly obvious that even some of the commenters here are voicing criticism. Check out TheReEncogitationer, a commenter who typically labels any criticism of Israel or Israeli policy or Israeli politicians as antisemitic. Anyway, Netanyahu’s blundering seems so egregious that his benefiting from the Israelis rally round the flag impulse was relatively short lived and now there are large demonstrations in Israel calling for his ouster.
“He who pays the piper picks the tune.”
I’m afraid that’s part of the problem. Our corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle are afraid of doing or saying anything to upset the flow of donations from the Jewish lobby.
Elsewhere I commented on Reagan's interference with Israeli affairs, and Biden's interference with Pakistani affairs. I wouldn't be surprised if there were efforts to remove Netanyahu in underhanded ways. He's replaceable.
Well, it is possible to both support Israel in strikiing back at Iran's upport of Hamas and to support getting Netanyahu out of office for his many fuck-ups, not to mention criticize Israel's gun control that left the innocent helpless.
Nope. Netanyahu is a good leader. You leftists just hate him. People like you got a Biden into office therefore are responsible for all his fuckups. Including this conflict and what your kind did to Ukraine.
"People like you got a Biden into office therefore are responsible for all his fuckups."
The wrong Biden, unfortunately. I much prefer Hunter. A younger, more virile man always with an eye for the main chance.
My criticism of Netanyahu is on the grounds of his competence, not simplistic Left/Right false binaries that have come to dominate the Comments here.
How can Netanyahu be a great leader if Israelis were legally disarmed in the face of the largest pogrom in a single day since The Holocaust? From day one of Israel's existence, every peaceful citizen of Israel should have had and should have now as much access to every piece of weaponry that their sea of enemies have.
And how can Netanyahu be a great leader if it is true that he assisted Hamas, the very ones who perpetuated October 7th? Shouldn't he be smart enough to know that "the enemy of an enemy" is usually another bunch of riff-raff?
And since I haven't voted since 2004, I am not responsible for anything any of these assholes have done to make this nation a mess. The ones who vote for them are the ones who shouldn't complain.
"How can Netanyahu be a great leader if Israelis were legally disarmed in the face of the largest pogrom in a single day since The Holocaust?"
This makes sense in a way. South Africa under apartheid was heavily armed despite international sanctions, thanks to Israel. Slave owners in America ensured that gun ownership was enshrined in the constitution. It's worth noting, however, that all the arms couldn't preserve their systems of oppression.
"And how can Netanyahu be a great leader if it is true that he assisted Hamas, the very ones who perpetuated October 7th?"
He wasn't expecting such a large attack. Very few people were. He was expecting a few inaccurate rockets, maybe some militants popping out of tunnels and to be easily dealt with. Nothing of strategic threat and a perfect pretext for another round of 'mowing the lawn' - collective punishment of the people of Gaza by the airforce for a week or two. In other words, what passes for security and a normal life in Israel.
Netanyahu's relation with Hamas was about dividing the Palestinians. Plus they served a role in administering Gaza, something that Israel was bound to do as occupying force, but found it easier to delegate the task to Hamas who were happy to take the job, while Israel maintained her blockade on the territory. Occasional outbursts of violence from the Palestinians was baked into the recipe and were accepted and met with mowing the lawn - collective punishment of Gazans administered by the Israeli airforce.
"to support getting Netanyahu out of office for his many fuck-ups, not to mention criticize Israel’s gun control that left the innocent helpless."
Glad you've finally seen the light and are joining us anti-semites.
No, I am supporting a universally-armed Israeli population, one that would send the invading Jew-Haters that you love to their Seventh Heavens and Valhallahs for worms!
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
"No, I am supporting a universally-armed Israeli population"
Are you sure about that? Half of Israel's population are either Christian, Muslim or something else. Your solution is to arm the goyim? I suggest another trip to the drawing board. How about a 'universally-armed Jewish Israeli population?' It has a nice apartheidy ring to it you're sure to appreciate.
it is possible to both support Israel in strikiing back at Iran’s support of Hamas and to support getting Netanyahu out of office for his many fuck-ups
It's certainly possible, but my comment was more about internal Israeli politics. How is Netanyahu, also facing criminal charges for corruption, still a viable political player given his direct (albeit not sole, of course) responsibility for the October 7th attacks, including through participating in funding Hamas, overseeing a massive intelligence failure under his leadership, and botching the response such that hostages remain and he has managed to decrease Israel's support on the world stage in a situation that, at first, had engendered significant worldwide sympathy and support.
It's quite a feat of incompetence and hubris and yet, he hasn't been abandoned by the numbers I would expect from those colossal failures.
Netanyahu, like both Trump and Biden, is old and in the way and out of his depth.
Israel needs to get Netanyahu out and get someone as PM who will destroy instead of cut deals with Hamas, universally arm Israeli citizens, and work with Patri Friedman to build man-made seastead Zion 2.0s throughout the oceans of the world. Israel needs back-ups!
If there is an Iranian attack on Israeli soil, then all bets are off. Iran will materially be worse off when Israel strikes back. I would not assume that an Israeli response would be particularly restrained.
Israel has the capability to pull off a version of Praying Mantis. Only considerably more expensive to Iran.
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ObamasBiden's Iran policy is in ashes.If there is a significant Iranian attack on Israel proper, the Israeli response will not be restrained at all. They will annihilate Iran by any means necessary.
"Iran will materially be worse off when Israel strikes back."
That's not going to defeat Hamas, return any hostages, or clear Gaza or non Jews. I don't think that attacking Iran will be any substitute for failing to achieve any of the goals in Gaza.
Israel also has large densely populated cities, airports, desalination, nuclear and electrical plants, and several million citizens, foreign passports in hand, waiting for an excuse to put them to use.
Do you seriously think there are any hostages left to return?
No, Palestine killed them all. After gang raping, torturing, starving, and otherwise brutalizing them.
"Do you seriously think there are any hostages left to return? "
There are probably a few. Many Israelis are calling for a deal for their return.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-may-not-have-enough-living-hostages-for-cease-fire-deal-61606c66
The 40 hostages, including women, children, elderly men and those in fragile health, would be released under a U.S.-supported plan for a six-week cease-fire in the war in Gaza. In exchange, Israel would release hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.
Instead, the militant group has been unable to confirm that it has enough civilian hostages to fulfill its end of the deal in the initial phase of the proposed plan, complicating talks toward a possible cease-fire in the six-month-old war that has left much of Gaza in ruins.
A Hamas official said the group wouldn’t commit to releasing 40 living hostages but could commit to 40 hostages total, which could mean dead or alive.
Emphasis mine.
"Uh, we can give you their brutalized corpses, I guess."
Corpses, brutalized or not, belong with their families. If only for the closure of it all.
Hamas was offering Israel an exchange of prisoners as early as Oct. 8, 2023, the day after Al Aqsa Flood. Israel declined. In any case, it doesn't seem so important. The return of hostages takes back seat to the ongoing genocide.
Hamas was offering Israel an exchange of prisoners as early as Oct. 8, 2023, the day after Al Aqsa Flood. Israel declined.
Do you know why?
“Hi. We’re Palestine. We just committed genocide against the Israeli people and took a bunch more hostage. We’re willing to give them back (quality not guaranteed) if you ignore all the ones we intentionally murdered, and leave us to plot more murders in the future. Peace?”
Israel’s response – the appropriate response – was to purge the land of the Palestinian invaders. By whatever means necessary. "From the river to the sea."
I think we agree. The safe return of the hostages has never been a priority. It's been an emotional, intemperate thirst for revenge from the start.
Sure, in the way that putting down a rabid dog is vengeful.
Yea, the act of it might bring some satisfaction - especially if that dog has hurt someone. But really you're doing it because it needs to be done. And everyone knows, agrees, and accepts it - even if they might wring their hands a little bit at the actual process. Because nobody wants a rabid dog on the loose.
Unless they're aiming to sic it at someone in particular, and cover an intentional act of destruction with the foil of rabies. Now, who might be interested in doing such a thing and why?
It doesn't take more than a minute to put down a rabid dog. Six months is sadistic.
It does when that rabid dog hides in tunnels and behind civilians.
I kinda feel like we'd miss out by not being sucked into it. America should get a turn punching Iran's clock too y'know.
I say we help them. Annihilate Iran. Even if they don't attack Israel. Let's just do it because they're Iran, and they need to go.
What are you doing on a libertarian site?
Same thing you are; being a 'libertarian' in name, not deed.
It is absolutely precious - full on adorbs really - that you think this is a libertarian site.
You, OTOH, make no pretense toward being other than a lying pile of war-boner shit.
It’s not so much that I’m a warhawk – I just understand that the Iranian nation is evil, is actively plotting the genocide of Israel (and America), employs terrorism to do so, openly despises every expression or protection of freedom and liberty there is, and otherwise offers no redeeming qualities whatsoever to their culture, way of life, or social/political ideology.
So, yea – wipe ’em off the map. Just like we did the Nazis. Or at least break their spines and scatter them so completely to the four winds that they don’t ever dare stick their heads out of their caves ever again.
Why would you have a problem with any of that?
"It’s not so much that I’m a warhawk..."
True enough, it's your abysmal ignorance which sets you apart.
"...So, yea – wipe ’em off the map. Just like we did the Nazis..."
Prime example; we did nothing of the sort.
List me the redeeming qualities of an unchecked Iran.
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'Hey! Look over there!'
Try to stay on subject.
Copout.
Defend Iran. Tell me what is worth defending in Iran such that you don’t want Americans assisting Israel in curbstomping them.
Iran has oil, Israel doesn't. If it were the other way round, different story. But it isn't.
Let's take it.
Annihilate Iran. Even if they don’t attack Israel. Let’s just do it because they’re Iran, and they need to go.
Because this has worked out so well for you and your lot every other time a similar project has been attempted?
I know it sounds all tough and cool to talk about "annihilating" another country, but it'll still be there after the government is deposed. Are you confident that, after killing hundreds of thousands, the resulting mess is going to be more aligned with U.S. values, bring more stability to the region, and otherwise be more favorable to the U.S.?
If you think so, please explain how the Iran adventure you imagine will provide a materially better return on the trillions of investment it will take than similar projects in Iraq and Afghanistan (the latter of which at least was precipitated by their attack on us, the former being a similar war of choice that had precisely paltry benefits in comparison to the cost of hundreds of thousands of American and civilian losses and $3+ trillion dollars, not to mention decreased American standing in the world)?
Iraq and Afghanistan had the millstone of nation building around it’s neck. I’m not saying we try to save the Iranian people from themselves.
I’m saying we put every single one of them that doesn’t unconditionally surrender in the dirt. This would not be a war of liberation or deposing a corrupt government. This would be a war of conquest. Or scorched earth. Doesn’t really matter which.
We didn’t go to Germany to save the German people from the Nazis. We went there to kill Nazis. Because Nazis are evil and the scum of the earth. Shia Muslims are no different.
And no, it would not require “trillions of investment.” It probably wouldn’t even require boots on ground (maybe for the mop up). For pete’s sake, we could probably do the entire thing by blacking out their skies with drones until nothing is left standing. Just rain fire on them until they’re gone.
This would be a war of conquest. Or scorched earth. Doesn’t really matter which.
So you live in a fantasy world. Because whatever you imagine by that will not happen.
We went there to kill Nazis.
That's just wrong. We went to Germany because Germany had first invaded other countries and sought to conquer the world. We would never have invaded Germany if they hadn't started a war of conquest first. We also did engage in nation building in both Germany and Japan.
If you don't learn from history, you are bound to say stupid things.
And no, it would not require “trillions of investment.” It probably wouldn’t even require boots on ground (maybe for the mop up). For pete’s sake, we could probably do the entire thing by blacking out their skies with drones until nothing is left standing. Just rain fire on them until they’re gone.
You are not a serious person. You apparently prefer fantasy to reality. Good luck to you!
Y'know, the Israelis had little trouble purging Hamas from Gaza. Sure, there's some of that cancer still lingering in the pockets (and of course, they're likely regrouping in the rest of the Iranian proxy states) - but Israel systematically went in and excised as much of it as possible. With extreme prejudice. And they did it keeping both civilian and Israeli deaths to a minimum.
It is possible to do this. Quickly, cheaply, and efficiently. And that's where the rhetoric comes in handy. I say, "Bomb Iran into the stone age and kill anyone who hasn't fled indiscriminately," and your response isn't "Nice idea, but not realistic - here's how it should be done instead." It reveals your true position:
Your problem, Nova, is that you don't seem to want it done in the first place. You seem to like Iran for some reason, or are at least completely indifferent to their (evil) ideology and goals. Why is that?
You say, "We went to Germany because Germany had first invaded other countries and sought to conquer the world. We would never have invaded Germany if they hadn’t started a war of conquest first." - apparently wholly ignorant to the fact that Iran is exactly the same in that regard. What, because they don't have a tiny mustachioed art school reject with one nut on television babbling about racial supremacy, you think that somehow makes Iran different/better?
Go ahead and defend the merits of an unchecked Iran to me. Let's have your argument why they - like the Nazis - should continue to exist with any power, influence, or ability.
"Go ahead and defend the merits of an unchecked Iran to me."
They haven't used their might to disrupt the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf. If they did so the world would be plunged into chaos. Prices of oil and everything that uses oil would rise dramatically. Iran could do this at any time with minimal effort. They haven't. Thanks Iran, you're not so bad after all.
Out of curiosity, are there any American politicians who agree with you idea of attacking Iran now with nuclear weapons? What are their names. Perhaps this is purely a personal fantasy on your part and you're a lone voice crying in the wilderness.
They haven’t used their might to disrupt the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf.
Hey, that's right - I forgot about the oil completely. Yea, we should just take that. Especially since, as you said, Iran could "do that any any time with minimal effort". You don't want them having that kind of leverage over the world, do you? (If so, for pete's sake why?)
Also, who said anything about nuclear weapons? Not me.
Say, you wouldn't be stereotyping based on existing prejudices, would you?
"I forgot about the oil completely."
This is why I took the trouble to point it out. Oil is important. Whether or not we 'take it.'
"Also, who said anything about nuclear weapons? Not me. "
I mentioned them. Are there any prominent politicians that share your views on the issue, bombing Iran into the stone age, with or without nuclear weapons? If so, please name them.
"You don’t want them having that kind of leverage over the world, do you?"
I don't want them to run an Islamist theocracy either, but there's little I can do about it.
but there’s little I can do about it.
Actually there is. Kill them all.
For or against, and why?
"Actually there is. Kill them all."
But I'm not going to kill anyone. You should be reading me more carefully and you'd know better than to make such an intemperate suggestion. I prefer a negotiated political settlement leading to a single state, both Jews and non Jews living together or apart. Maybe have a province like Quebec or the Tibetan Autonomous Region where all the Jews can be together, but part of a larger state.
Why not? Why should we not put every single Iranian combatant in the dirt?
So why are you against Iran, since you support dealing with LGBTQ people with ropes and pickup trucks? It sounds to me like the Mullahs of Iran are just your moral and intellectual speed.
Fuck Off, Torquemada Asshole!
I've never said I support people dealing with LGBTP people with ropes and pickup trucks. Just that that's the near future for the LGBTP if they keep pushing the envelope. It's like they're really desperate to FAFO. ("Queers for Palestine????")
I'm trying to help them avoid that future. They got what they wanted - social acceptance, legal recognition, anti-discrimination - so, shut up already. Get out of the streets and go on about your private lives. But, like the titular mouse you give a cookie... the gays keep testing the limits of people's tolerance.
And now they're openly preying on children. I'm telling you Tre - folks won't tolerate that for long.
But go ahead and keep it up. See what happens.
Bullshit on all counts!
Fuck Off, Torquemada! And don't think you can concern-troll and apple-polish the Mullshs the way you're trying to do with me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3y3QoFnqZc
You're the one encouraging the inevitable future of an LGBTP that refuses to course-correct. Not me.
Don't. Say. I. Didn't. Warn. You.
I'm not clicking any fucking link provided by anyone who conflates consenting adult pleasure with child abuse!
SPB taught everybody that lesson ages ago and I never took that asshole's bait either!
Fuck Off, Torquemada!
Language.
And I'm not the one conflating adult pleasure with child abuse. The LGBTP is. Openly. Proudly. Waving a friggin' flag as they do so.
Hence why they're currently and eagerly digging their own graves. If you'd like to avoid that fate, Tre, then I suggest you heed my warnings. Because the LGBTP's days are numbered.
Here's hoping that all lovers of Life and Liberty in the U.S., Israel, the West, and held in bondage everyehere stay safe in the opening of the latest theatre of the War of Dar Al-Islam Versus Dar Al-Harb:
Israel braces as Iran launches wave of retaliatory strikes
By Lauren Izso, Jeremy Diamond, Hamdi Alkhshali and Adam Pourahmadi, CNN
5 minute read
Updated 7:18 PM EDT, Sat April 13, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-drones-attack-israel-intl-latam/index.html
"Stay safe."
As opposed to "fight back."
If Iran isn't a smoldering crater by the end of the month, I'll be genuinely disappointed in the so-called "good" people of the world.
There's nothing dishonorable about avoiding a fight, but also fight crazy and dirty when no other choice exists and until the threat is ended. That entails being alive first.
The Mullahs' biggest enemies may be inside Iran itself, waiting to strike them down and tske over to end fhe crisis. Must wait and see...
Meanwhile, I'll
Suavez qui peut! ("Save Who I Can,")
Root, Hog, or Die!
Watch My Six!
And Keep My Powder Dry...For them and you, Torquemada!
" Dar Al-Islam Versus Dar Al-Harb"
Half the population of Israel is Muslim.
And the loyal Israeli citizens of all creeds and none are all targets of Hamas and Iran! Islam has nothing against Muslims murdering other Muslims if the other Muslims are seen as befriending the Dhimmi and Kuffir and betraying the global Jihad!
Just like Nazis would murder other "Aryan" Germans who were seen as "race traitors." But you, of course, would know that.
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!...And pyay to your Moloch that your fellow Jew-Haters don't see you as a traitor!
Israel's war on Islam is going to be difficult. A war against more than a billion, and a civil war to boot.
"Islam has nothing against Muslims murdering other Muslims if the other Muslims are seen as befriending the Dhimmi and Kuffir and betraying the global Jihad!"
Is that supposed to be good for Israel? Or reflect well on Israel? I'm not sure what you're driving at. You'd prefer a global jihad to a local one?
"Just like Nazis would murder other “Aryan” Germans who were seen as “race traitors.” But you, of course, would know that."
They wouldn't necessarily murder race traitors. There were those who fell afoul of the Nuremberg laws prohibiting Aryans marrying Jews. There are cases where film actors were granted exemption from the laws after petitioning Hitler. That was pre war, of course, when Hitler occupied himself with the arts.
Islam is the one waging war on Israel, the U.S., and the West, Dumb Watermelon Rickshaw Nazi Boy!
"Islam is the one waging war on Israel, the U.S., and the West"
I blame Joe Biden.
Let the muslims and the jews fight. We can sell arms to the both sides.
As I write, Iran has launched hundreds of drones and missiles at the population of Israel, and Israel and the US have reported that 99% of those attacks have been thwarted by Israel's air defences (supplemented by the US Navy's).
It will be interesting to see how Iran's air defences compare, won't it?
That is fortunate to hear there were no fatalities, only one injury, and little damage:
The shadow war between Iran and Israel has been exposed. What happens next?
Story by KAREEM CHEHAYEB, Associated Press • 1h • 3 min read
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-shadow-war-between-iran-and-israel-has-been-exposed-what-happens-next/ar-BB1lBuQA
But there is more to come, so in the meantime stay safe, stay free, and stay thirsty, fellow freedom-lovers!
I see where you get the handle, because that is an "uncommon wealth" of assholery!
Not sucked but suckered by AIPAC and the Israeli lobby. There I corrected it for you Matt.