How Obama Gave Trump the 'Military-Age Males' Talking Point
The same tactics used to justify drone strikes are now being used to demonize immigrant men.

Immigration hawks want you to believe that men are a threat by default. Figures like former President Donald Trump and current Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R–La.) argue that immigration is really an "invasion" because many migrants lined up at the border are "military-age males" from "adversarial nations." The implication isn't that these people work for any specific army or militant organization, but that any young man from the wrong country is guilty until proven innocent.
Conservatives and liberals alike might be surprised to learn that this idea was written into U.S. policy by former President Barack Obama. During drone campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the Obama administration counted any "military-age" men in certain areas as enemy fighters, even if the U.S. government didn't know who those men were. The policy allowed Obama to lowball the number of civilians killed by U.S. drone strikes.
Of course, the category of military-age or fighting-age men is much older than the drone program. But as political scientist Micah Zenko pointed out in an article for the Council on Foreign Relations, the term "military-age male reentered the lexicon of American warfare" during the Obama-era debate over the drone program.
"Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in," The New York Times revealed in 2012. "It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent."
Even more dystopically, the CIA had inherited a policy known as "signature strikes" from the Bush administration. Drone pilots were allowed to fire on armed men "associated with suspicious activity even if their identities were unknown," according to The New Yorker.
Obama expanded the definition of "suspicious activity" to include almost any man in the wrong place at the wrong time, overseeing 10 times as many drone strikes as Bush had. Obama administration officials told the Times that "people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good."
The phrase "military-age males" jumped from U.S. military and intelligence circles to American politics during the Obama era, too. In late 2015, at the height of the Syrian refugee crisis, Republican politicians including Trump began claiming that the Obama administration was importing an "army" of fighting-age Syrian men. Radio host Rush Limbaugh, who had previously covered the Times revelations about Obama's targeting of "military-age males," was a major figure pushing this narrative.
Only a quarter of Syrian refugees admitted to the United States at the time were adult men, and only two percent were single adult men, according to U.S. State Department records.
One of the first uses of the specific term "military-age males" in the immigration debate came from Allen West, a former Army colonel who had derailed his career by torturing an Iraqi detainee. "We should not allow any military-age males to be part of this refugee crisis," West said in a Fox and Friends interview on November 16, 2015. "I believe that anyone from about 16 to 40 years of age, single males, should not be allowed to come in. That's a Trojan horse."
The Obama administration didn't have much ground to oppose West's logic. A few months after that interview, the Obama administration finished its internal review of signature strikes. The government decided to continue the practice of killing suspicious unknown men, with the caveat that people will now be considered "noncombatants until proved otherwise" rather than the other way around.
Throughout the Trump and Biden eras, politicians—from Rep. Jeff Duncan (R–S.C.) and former Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) to conspiracy theorist Alex Jones—continued to rail against "military-age males" immigrating to Western countries.
That talking point really took off again in mid-2023, according to the News on the Web Corpus, a database of English-language online media in several countries. The data also captured a spike in articles about young Russian men fleeing the draft in mid-2022.
The same was true for television, according to an analysis commissioned by The Washington Post, which showed a massive increase in the use of the phrase "military-age" in the context of immigration debates since mid-2023. Almost all those mentions came on Fox News, particularly on Sean Hannity's show. And the increased use of the term was entirely political, because it came as a decreasing percentage of people stopped at the border were single adults while an increasing percentage came from families with children.
Immigration restrictionists, of course, don't need an Obama-era term to demonize immigrant men. But the category of "military-age males" lends an official-sounding sheen to the idea that young adults looking for work or asylum are really an army of conquest. It's encouraging everyone to look at the huddled masses through a drone's eye view.
The migration of this phrase from Obama's CIA to anti-immigration rants should be a lesson to liberals and conservatives alike. Liberals who support a hawkish foreign policy—even the kindler, gentler war on terror that Obama promised—may end up normalizing repression at home. And even conservatives who rail against the "forever wars" may allow the logic of those wars to live on, directed at the American homeland itself.
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You misspelled "poles."
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When left-wingers do or say extremely "woke" shit, it pisses me off for MANY reasons, but ONE of them is that this sort of shit drives voters straight into the arms of Trump! And Trump will lead to the demise of democracy in the USA one of these days if we don't watch out!
When left-wingers do or say extremely “woke” shit, it pisses me off for MANY reasons, but ONE of them is that this sort of shit drives voters straight into the arms of Trump!
True. While on the other hand Trump's bombastic economic ignorance and xenophobia drive voters who can't stomach supporting Biden into not voting at all.
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Still crazy
The implication isn't that these people work for any specific army or militant organization, but that any young man from the wrong country is guilty until proven innocent.
I don't think that is the implications at all. We don't know if they are a threat or not. Because...
Obama expanded the definition of "suspicious activity" to include almost any man in the wrong place at the wrong time
We are not talking about people coming through Ellis Island, we are not talking about people in other countries, and we are not talking about refugees or people selling asylum. The suspicious activity is entering the country illegally. People "in the wrong place at the wrong time" ignored sovereignty, borders and immigration law. Is there a reason to believe there aren't any other laws they will find inconvenient?
Is there a reason to believe there aren’t any other laws they will find inconvenient?
That’s the logic used by drug warriors to condemn all drug users as violent sociopaths. Because anyone who doesn’t respect laws against drug use is an amoral degenerate who doesn’t respect any laws at all, locking up druggies prevents crimes like robbery, murder and rape.
Anyone who sees the absurdity in the above statement, but applies the same reasoning to illegal immigrants, is engaging in Orwellian doublethink.
Here is where sarc tells people what they are thinking.
Good thing he won’t read this, as I am “muted”. LOL
*high 5*
List buddies.
So you're talking about 8 USC Section 1251, where deportation is automatic for breaking "any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 802 of title 21)..." Below that: (ii) "Drug abusers and addicts: Any alien who is, or at any time after entry has been, a drug abuser or addict is deportable." Having a hemp seed makes anyone an "abuser" wherever U.S. politicians give orders. There is an exception for a lid if you can prove it was personal, just as Mexico and Ecuador make some exceptions for weed, coke, paste and such. Has anyone ever seen a single example? Sumptuary laws are what seal borders, wreck trade and economies, generate desperate refugees and make people hate America.
The suspicious activity is entering the country illegally.
Since the incentives to do so are clear, it isn't really "suspicious". And isn't that the way one goes about seeking asylum? Or is it only Canada that has that policy, where only people who first enter illegally, and then turn themselves in, can claim asylum? But "selling" asylum, if such a thing could be done, would indeed be something quite objectionable. Did you mean "seeking"?
Anyway, one of the hallmarks of libertarianism is that we do indeed distinguish between laws, on the basis of whether or not they are morally justified (not whether they are "convenient").
You must be in the U.S. or at a port of entry to apply for asylum. A port of entry can be an airport, seaport, or border crossing. To apply for refugee status, you must be outside the U.S., where you can apply at a US Embassy or Consulate. Asylum-seekers and refugees have technical distinctions in the laws, but boil down to largely the same things:
Suffered persecution or fear that they will suffer persecution due to:
Race
Religion
Nationality
Membership in a particular social group
Political opinion
Economic opportunity is NOT a reason for either status.
A Democrat did it first so that makes it ok. Jeez.
In reality, it means trump an chocolate Jesus are both the same.
Sarc’s booze shrunken brain can’t grasp that.
Shouldn't have patted the puppy.
That’s right, you’ll grow hair on your palms.
More Hitler like dehumanization.
You can't help it can you.
I didn't get past the first sentence. What an idiot.
Maths is our friend here. DJ tell us that 3% of US citizens have served jail time for a felony. If those entering the country illegally are really just like us, then that means that we have allowed 240,000 felons into the US and we don't know who they might be.
It is proposed that jihadists could not be more than one in 10,000 immigrants, so maybe 800 terrorists are sharing our space - peacefully, of course.
The issue isn't one of not wanting immigrants, but rather having some idea of who they are and having some say in keeping the scary ones out.
If you dig up actual numbers it turns out that immigrants commit much less crime than native born Americans. However those crimes get disproportionate media coverage leading people to believe they are more common than they are.
If you were born here you don't risk getting kicked out of the country if you get caught. Immigrants, legal and illegal, do. Doesn't that give them an incentive to not commit crimes? They're not stupid. Think about it.
Sarc ignores the crime of being here illegally.
If you look up the narratives that include jaywalking being equivalent to identity theft sure. If you look at proportion of prisoners serving time in Jail, like the Lott study, turns out it is wrong.
But you've been given this data. You just don't care.
Also mixing pre screened legal immigrants with illegal immigrants.
https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime
In their analysis of Census data from 1850 to 2020, Abramitzky and his co-authors find that, compared to U.S.-born individuals, immigrants as a group had higher incarceration rates before 1870 and similar rates between 1880 and 1950. Since 1960, however, immigrants have been less likely to be incarcerated than have the U.S.-born.
https://www.ojp.gov/library/publications/comparing-crime-rates-between-undocumented-immigrants-legal-immigrants-and
The study found that undocumented immigrants had substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0
The results are similar to our other work on illegal immigration and crime in Texas. In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐born Americans. The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas. The general pattern of native‐born Americans having the highest criminal conviction rates followed by illegal immigrants and then with legal immigrants having the lowest holds for all of other specific types of crimes such as violent crimes, property crimes, homicide, and sex crimes.
They compared "immigrants" (presumably either sex) to male natives? Why would we expect that to produce meaningful results? And they conflated legal and illegal immigrants.
Also, they didn't break the immigrants down by race. They make you think race doesn't matter since they compared the immigrants to white men, but 31% of immigrants are Asian, and Asians have below average crime rates.
I think the numbers are significant enough that even if they did the controls you’re talking about, the results would still show that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes.
They’re self-interested, rational human beings, just like you. If they get caught they risk deportation, and losing everything they’ve built in this country. That gives them an incentive to walk the straight and narrow that native-born Americans don’t have.
Libertarianism is like politics for nerds interested in economics, and one of the core axioms of economics is that people respond to incentives.
That's a pretty fucking big incentive.
I think the numbers are significant enough that even if they did the controls you’re talking about, the results would still show that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes.
Sarc will continue to believe what he wants to believe.
I think the numbers are significant enough that even if they did the controls you’re talking about, the results would still show that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes.
Spoken like a complete dipshit who does not understand controls nor statistical analysis and is still ignoring that being in the country illegally is a crime in and of itself.
The illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 45 percent below that of native‐born Americans in Texas.
Why do you think Texas wants to immediately deport them? Illegal immigrants have to be literally caught in the act to face conviction. It is highly improbable for law enforcement to catch someone after the fact when their identity can't be verified. "That person isn't me and you can't prove it is," is a pretty good alibi.
Yeap. The study didn't include immediate deportation which is used all the time, especially for crimes near a border. This is a large number of criminal immigrants.
Study also fails to count crimes committed, and the perp flees back to his home country and disappears. The illegal who killed a nun from my church with his landscaping truck, though known, fled the country as easily as he stole in. No arrest, no conviction, no incarceration, no statistic.
Yeap. A 27 time felon from Chicago gets counted 27 times while an arrested then deported immigrant does not.
Again confuses legal and illegal immigration thinking he is making a point.
Visas can get denied if there is a criminal history of an applicant.
So to make this an actual statistically controlled study, you would need to exclude Americans that have committed prior crimes from the study. As that is how the LEGAL immigration system works.
Again. You dont give a fuck about any type of analysis. Just blindly repeat what matches your initial supposition.
It would be funny, except scum like him, Jeffy, and their fellow travelers who enabled this bulkshit are getting a lot of innocent people killed. We can only hope they too are viciously murdered by illegals as karmic justice for their open border advocacy.
But how many of those are just Chinese spies? Or worse, Chinese invasion sleepers?
Using newly released detailed data on all prisoners who entered the Arizona state prison from January 1985 through June 2017, we are able to separate non-U.S. citizens by whether they are illegal or legal residents. Unlike other studies, these data do not rely on self-reporting of criminal backgrounds. Undocumented immigrants are at least 142% more likely to be convicted of a crime than other Arizonans.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3099992
You know. One of those states that has been dealing with the issue for a few decades. Instead of including Wyoming DUIs to bias the numbers. Your study also includes pre-screening of criminals through legal immigration.
But you know this. You've been given this information. You just don't care.
I also love how you think the crime and immigration data was accurate back to the 1850s. Fucking hilarious.
Believe facts, or politicians and the
usefuluseless idiots who defend them (they know who they are). Up to you.Nobody believes anything your drunken ass has to say.
Ignore facts that go against your baseless assertions. Thr sarcasmic way lol.
Yup. They know who they are.
Nice trap. Now more libertarians can mute them.
Who would that be? Certainly not you.
Maths? We don't say that in the US, that's a British term.
Selective logic. "Felony" can include prostitution, selling drugs, gambling and a long list of less common victimless crimes that should not be felonies in the first place. Likewise, immigrants may have been convicted in their home nations for failing to pay the appropriate bribe, belonging to the wrong political party and a long list of violations that would not be considered to be "crimes" even in Global War on Everything America.
To be fair, felonies used to be reserved for crimes that were a really big deal. Things like murder, rape and arson. Acts with actual victims.
So some people still think the word means something.
Unfortunately decades of “tough on crime” policies and wars against nouns have created felonies out of actions without victims.
Now felony just means a sentence of more than a year.
It is amazing how little you understand. Historically the line for misdemeanor to felony was a year in jail as the sentence.
Historically, the line between misdemeanor and felony was whether or not you were subject to losing your civil liberties, and perhaps your life. Or maybe just looking at a fine.
But, of course misdemeanor vs felony is not the distinction the Constitution employs. It's civil vs criminal, and ALL criminal prosecutions are supposed to carry the right to trial by jury. Just as any civil case where more than $20 is at stake is supposed to.
The year in jail thing came about when the Court were groping around for an excuse to deny people charged with lesser crimes their right to trial by jury. And it's less than one year per count.
They can hit you with a hundred counts of some crime, promise to only ask for 364 days per count, and put you away for the rest of your life without a jury trial.
And the $20 thing? The textualists on the Court totally blow that off.
Yet another propagandist pretending there is no distinction between law abiding asylum seekers and criminals illegally crossing an international border.
But anyway:
"The implication isn't that these people work for any specific army or militant organization, but that any young man from the wrong country is guilty until proven innocent."
Fact check rewrite;
The implication isn't that these people work for any specific army or militant organization, but that any young man from the wrong country is guilty the minute he illegally crosses the border.
(incidentally, using conservative numbers, there are over two divisions (and increasing) of Communist Chinese military age men in the USA)
Wow, good thing the Democrats are making sure they can't get assault rifles!
Assault rifles are already illegal, unfortunately.
How come Matt at Demolition Ranch gets to shoot full autos in rifle calibers? Or Hickok45? Kentucky Ballistics? All them U-Tubers get to shoot assault rifles!
The implication may be that or it may be something else entirely, to wit:
The clearly expressed intent and/or documented policy is that any young man, or woman, from any country are reasonably suspicious if not plausibly guilty the minute they illegally cross into any area that doesn’t belong to them without identification or authorizing documentation.
Again, the magazine doesn’t stand for anything on this issue and among themselves and entirely without a “Wait… wut?” said “Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn’t have been there.” multiple times like MSNBC reporters saying “$500M in campaign ads is like $1M per American!”
I'm pretty sure you never took a course in logic and that you have no clue about cause and effect. If there are already two divisions of Communist Chinese military age men here, what the hell do you imagine they are waiting for? Did the order to launch the attack fail to come through on Tiktok?
I’m pretty sure you never took a course in logic and that you have no clue about cause and effect.
What about diminishing returns? I didn’t learn about that until I was in my 30s.
You still don't understand it lol.
They're probably waiting for the invasion of Taiwan, dummy.
I’ll give ya some logic, doc:
Chumps get rolled. Every fucking time. And the people sneaking in know that there are plenty of self hating chumps like you that have their backs. And they act accordingly.
JFC, get out of your gated 55+ neighborhood once in a while.
"but that any young man from the wrong country is guilty until proven innocent."
These days, in the K-12 and Higher Ed worlds, "any young man" is considered dangerous. It doesn't matter what country they're from.
The implication isn't that these people work for any specific army or militant organization, but that any young man from the wrong country is guilty until proven innocent.
Huh? That is exactly the implication. That these young men could be sleeper agents for terror cells. There is precedent. I seem to remember something happening around 2001 that involved migrants who were not who they were pretending to be.
Oddly enough, they were military age men…….
C'mon, some people did something.
That's all.
I think the implication is, if they want to become US citizens, then they should join our military and not sneak over illegally.
I think the implication is that we should be letting in immigrants of military age who want to work and don’t have any diseases, criminal backgrounds, or associations with terrorists. Legally. Like open the gates to those who want to work, and also process them. So they don’t have to sneak in. Then the only people sneaking in will be bad guys, and Border Patrol can concentrate on catching them, instead of economic refugees who are only criminals because they crossed the border.
Many of the people who Border Patrol catches get caught willingly. They’re not up to no good. They're economic refugees. The ones who are up to no good don’t want to get caught. And often they don’t, because Border Patrol is busy with the one who want to get caught.
If we did that, we would be swarmed by hundreds of millions of "newcomers". It would be the end of our culture and our prosperity.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
You mean this culture? Or were you more thinking the white hoods and burning crosses kind?
OK, I'll accept open immigration for any non-criminal, non-military, physically and mentally healthy newcomers from overseas, provided that they arrive here in a wooden sailing ship.
When that was written, we did not have a generous social safety net. The idea of being given free phones and money for coming here illegally was not even considered as a rational possibility.
Sorry if you do not like the laws. You could try and argue to change the laws, but it is a lot easier, admittedly, to just find geriatric imbeciles and have them ignore it.
"...The policy allowed Obama to lowball the number of civilians killed by U.S. drone strikes..."
He was a lying piece of shit, weren't he?
Hey, just because Chocolate Jesus said something does not mean others can say the same thing. In fact, repeating the sacred scripture in any context other than the original is heresy. And if the speaker is not an anointed member of the faith, it is probably blasphemy.
I have known quite a few illegals in my life and don’t find them particularly threatening.
I do have a serious problem with people that are vehemently opposed to having order in the immigration process. I am highly suspicious of the motives of those that support open borders.
I’ve never met an illegal that I wouldn’t prefer as a neighbor/coworker to any given progressive I’ve ever met. I’d trade them one for one in a heartbeat.
Disclaimer: I've only known Hispanic illegals/white progressives
Assuming we screen the illegals to ensure they’re not criminals/terrorists, I would be just fine with a one to one exchange policy with out leftists. A bulk exchange will represent a massive upgrade. While we’re at it, let’s trade off Sarc, Jeffy, Pluggo, Molly, Jason, etc..
many migrants lined up at the border are “military-age males” from “adversarial nations.” The implication isn’t that these people work for any specific army or militant organization
Wait, why do you think “military-age males” from “adversarial nations” implies that they’re soldiers/militants?
Seems to me it’s just referencing that these are adult males from anti-American nations. As opposed to the silly canard that illegals are mostly women and children refugees fleeing persecution – which only true idiots and kool-aid drinkers believe at this point.
Is there some reason you don’t want to be clear about who’s crossing our border and where they’re from? Some reason you’d like to pretend that it’s something other than what it is?
But the category of “military-age males” lends an official-sounding sheen to the idea that young adults looking for work or asylum are really an army of conquest.
That’s silly. “Conquest.”
The Muslims maybe, because that’s totally their thing – literally their only thing – but everyone else? Nah, they're just here to exploit our handouts, commit crime with impunity, show zero respect whatsoever for our culture and values, and – of course – prop up those in power who allow them to do so.
It's not the border jumpers that are interested in conquest. It's the politicians who seek to enrich themselves with them.
n an interview with In Search of Aztlán on 8 August 1999, José Ángel Gutiérrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated:
We're the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. We didn't migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives or separatists, that's their problem. This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone else is a guest.... It is not our fault that whites don't make babies, and blacks are not growing in sufficient numbers, and there's no other groups with such a goal to put their homeland back together again. We do. Those numbers will make it possible. I believe that in the next few years, we will see an irredentists movement, beyond assimilation, beyond integration, beyond separatism, to putting Mexico back together as one. That's irridentism [sic]. One Mexico, one nation.[12]
In an interview with the Star-Telegram in October 2000, Gutiérrez stated that many recent Mexican immigrants "want to recreate all of Mexico and join all of Mexico into one. And they are going to do that, even if it's just demographically.... They are going to have political sovereignty over the Southwest and many parts of the Midwest."[13] In a videotape made by the Immigration Watchdog website, as cited in The Washington Times, Gutiérrez was quoted as saying, "We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population."
Illegal immigration to the Southwest is sometimes viewed as a form of Reconquista in light of the fact that Texas statehood was preceded by an influx of US settlers into that Mexican province until US citizens outnumbered Mexicans ten–to-one and took over the area's governance. The theory is that the reverse will happen when Mexicans eventually become so numerous in the region that they wield substantial influence, including political power.[15]
Even if it is not intended, some analysts say the significant demographic shift in the Southwest may result in "a de facto reconquista." Political scientist Samuel P. Huntington, a proponent of the widespread popularity of Reconquista, stated in 2004:
Demographically, socially and culturally, the reconquista (re-conquest) of the Southwest United States by Mexican immigrants is well under way.
"It is not our fault that whites don’t make babies, and blacks are not growing in sufficient numbers..." Truly not. Mexican States enforce the individual rights of "reproductive-age females." In the American States, brainwashed Comstock book-burners seek to force females to involuntary labor in direct violation of 9A, 13A, 14A, 15A (as written). No sane woman wants to expose a baby into a jurisdiction run by insane slavers. Robert Heinlein in Farnham's Freehold made an excellent case for preventing mystics from enslaving and stuffing kids with invisible cannibal ideology.
I suppose. But I somehow doubt that all the border jumpers from Mexico and Latin/South America are students of Gutierrez. More like useful idiots to his cause. Here for the free stuff, but simultaneously/unintentionally achieving a political goal of Reconquista - which is why we get no help from said countries in slowing down their march north.
We are definitely seeing a large influx of military age males from China. Many of whom are certainly part of their military intelligence. This is just another reason why we need to screen who comes here.
Yea, but the Chicom's have been doing that in one way or another for years. Before Joe opened the border, they were taking full advantage of student visa programs to embed agents who would slowly worm their way into positions ripe for espionage and sabotage. To say nothing of how much real property in America has been bought up by Chinese nationals.
Joe's border is kinda like, "Well hey, if you're just letting us in completely unchecked..."
Obama came up with the idea of targeted scrutiny on "military-aged men" before he ever even held office?
Strange, we knew that was the cohort to pay close attention to in 2003. I bet we've known since long before that.
"We," Paleface?
No Hank, not you, just the sane people whose brains aren’t mush.
Where I have heard the "military age males" discussed regards to immigration has been how the majority of "asylum seekers" fall into this category rather than how the immigration apologists have portrayed the asylum path as consisting of women and children for a more sympathetic face.
We're regularly told about the "women and children", but photos clearly depict hordes of young men. Young men are also the primary demographic of gangs like MS13. Not all young men crossing the border illegally are in gangs, but neither are they all fine upstanding migrants who just want to pick fruit for pay.
There was a time when These States imported military-age, military-service, Jew-killing Christian National Socialists to pick fruit and corn. They had surrendered or been captured, and non-officers worked for scrip and coupons in unfair competition with honest, peace-loving Mexican braceros.
How large groups of military-age males invading our border gave rise to a talking point about large groups of military-age males invading our border.
It is true that passing and exporting superstitious prohibition laws has wrecked every participating economy, not least "our" own. When will the politicians of CA, AZ, TX, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Martha's Vineyard ever learn?
"Military-age male" was also a crosshairs point in the American Sniper saga. When any such pedestrian in his own country was detected by "our" foreign invading force with no war declared, that made them in-season game. That that same sniper was killed by a religious gent named Eddie Ray Routh on U.S. soil at a therapeutic shooting range is interesting. Routh's PTSD was supposedly alcohol-related... nothing to do with the killer weed, fiendish coca leaves, LSD or other usual patsys. Since then, there have been polls, talk, hints... but no MDMA--just lots more gin and cigarettes.
The Obama administration didn’t invent the term. I recall my unit using it in Iraq in 2003. “Military age males” (no specific definition that I recall, but it generally meant any able-bodied adult males) were what we were looking at as either the threat, or for recruitment into the newly formed Iraqi forces. That’s also the same demographic insurgents were trying to recruit. This isn’t exactly new information, that’s been the primary demographic involved in every war or criminal enterprise since the dawn of history.
Sure, a woman, a very old man, or a child could still participate in a terrorist action, but overwhelmingly the threat came from that same “action group” – military age males.
In regard to the immigration debate, the problem is far more acute in Europe than the US. In news photos you can see the crowded boatloads arriving, all full of military age males, and the statistics bear this out – they are overwhelmingly young and male, the very group that’s far more likely to be involved in terrorism, and more often just plain old criminal activity, especially sexual assault.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2016/08/02/4-asylum-seeker-demography-young-and-male/
Immigration hawks want you to believe that men are a threat by default.
We are. Just ask your girlfriend. Men are violence. The strong gender. The one that wages war. A man is either a threat or useless. That's millions of years of evolution.
Even better, ask the trans folks as they absolutely dominate women in every sport they try to play.
What is a man?