The U.S. Shouldn't Give Israel or Ukraine Any More Money
The Senate's $95 billion aid bill would only throw more good money after bad.

It's always concerning when any federal legislation gets solid bipartisan support. That's certainly the case with the U.S. Senate's overwhelming support on Tuesday for a $95 billion supplemental foreign aid package that includes $60 billion for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.
Only two Democrats, one independent, and 26 Republicans voted against sending billions of dollars to conflicts that the U.S. is neither a belligerent in nor stands much of a chance of changing the outcome of with more money.
To hear supporters of the additional spending tell it, this aid isn't necessarily about changing the course of either war. Rather, it's about reminding the world we're still a "leader."
"With this bill, the Senate declares that American leadership will not waver, will not falter, will not fail," said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.) after the vote, per the Wall Street Journal.
"There are no guarantees that Ukraine will defeat Russia," said Sen. Mitt Romney (R–Utah) on the Senate floor prior to the vote. But billions more in aid "allows America to remain the leader of the free world, and it shows that we honor our word to our friends and allies."
The 26 Republicans who voted against the aid bill—citing its fiscal impact, the more pressing need for federal resources at the southern border, and/or the hopelessness of a Ukrainian victory—were choosing "to forget about world leadership," wrote New York Times columnist Bret Stephens.
The three non-Republican nos—Sens. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), Peter Welch (D–Vt.), and Jeff Merkley (D–Ore.)—all based their opposition on the civilian casualties Israel is inflicting in Gaza.
One would think that "leadership" would involve more than just throwing money at interminable conflicts. It should also involve some judgment about what U.S. aid money is actually buying, whether the sticker price is worth it, and if we truly need to be the ones picking up the tab.
If U.S. leaders were to exercise more of the judgment that "world leadership" requires, they'd be sending $0 to either Ukraine or Israel.
The case for cutting aid to Israel is the easiest to make. It's a wealthy state with a modern military and plenty of resources at its disposal to prosecute its war in Gaza. Israeli taxpayers could easily cover military spending that U.S. taxpayers are currently shouldering. It doesn't need the additional $14 billion the Senate aid bill would send it.
The humanitarian case for cutting off U.S. support should also be compelling to anyone watching Gaza being turned into the lunar surface with U.S.-funded weapons. Even if it's not, cutting off U.S. aid is one of those odd horseshoe issues that unites critics and some supporters of Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza.
People who think Israel is too aggressive in prosecuting the war, and needlessly killing civilians as a result, have argued against more U.S. aid given how complicit it makes us in the slaughter.
"I cannot vote to send more bombs and shells to Israel when they are using them in an indiscriminate manner against Palestinian civilians," said Sen. Merkley, one of the Democratic 'no's votes, in a statement explaining his vote.
On the other side of the issue are Israeli hawks who think U.S. aid comes with endless humanitarian conditions that handicap Israel's war effort.
"The biggest issue now is the control [U.S. aid] gives over our foreign policy. It is a concession of sovereignty and the decision making," said former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren on the EconTalk podcast earlier this month. "Even in the United States, they say, 'We can criticize Israel because we pay taxes.'"
Both sides are dissatisfied with the current middle ground the Biden administration is hewing of supplying weapons to Israel on the condition that they don't kill too many people with them.
To defend this middle ground, the Biden administration also has to go through the awkward contortions of arguing that Israel is a sovereign nation that doesn't have to answer to the U.S. while also trying to enforce humanitarian limitations on the use of U.S.-provided weapons.
All the money the U.S. is sending Israel certainly hasn't made the Israeli government more open to the Biden administration's pressure for a ceasefire or a post-war recognition of a Palestinian state.
So, if U.S. aid to Israel isn't improving the humanitarian situation in Gaza, isn't changing the course of the war, and is making everyone mad, why keep giving it?
Much the same can be said of U.S. aid to Ukraine, which at first blush, presents a more sympathetic case for American support.
Ukraine is a poor country that can't as easily pay for its own defense against a more powerful authoritarian invader. U.S. weaponry is arguably essential in keeping its war effort alive in the short term.
That still leaves unanswered the larger questions of what Ukraine with U.S. aid can realistically achieve and what risks the U.S. runs by continuing to provide it.
The U.S. has committed $44 billion in military aid to Ukraine since the Russian invasion, plus another $30 billion in nonmilitary aid. All told, Congress has appropriated $113 billion in military and nonmilitary Ukraine-related spending.
The result is a World War I–style stalemate that shows no signs of abating. A much-hyped Ukrainian counteroffensive last year failed to change this reality. An endless supply of Western weaponry can't erase the fact that Ukraine is running out of men for its army.
The grim reality is that even with another $60 billion, Ukraine is not going to be able to evict Russian troops from its pre-war borders.
"If Ukraine remains indefinitely on the defensive, then the areas of Ukraine occupied by Russia will remain in Russian hands—not legally, of course, but de facto," wrote Quincy Institute scholar Anatol Lieven at Responsible Statecraft last week.
The unavoidable takeaway is that Ukraine's war against Russia can, at best, end in a negotiated peace that cedes to Russia some of the territory it already controls.
Lieven suggests that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's shake-up of the country's military leadership, and the political turmoil generally in Ukraine, is primarily about politicians trying to position themselves so that they don't get the blame for the eventual negotiated peace.
How Ukraine eventually decides to make peace with Russia is obviously up to that country and its leaders to decide. Still, if you subsidize something, you get more of it. By continuing to fund Ukraine's war effort, the U.S. is encouraging the country to keep playing out the bloody status quo rather than begin the politically fraught, but inevitable, process of hashing out a peace agreement.
The lack of benefits of U.S Ukraine aid is compounded by the serious risks it runs that our proxy war with Russia becomes an actual war with Russia. That would be truly disastrous for the entire globe.
Supporters of continued Ukraine aid often try to minimize its cost by comparing it to ever larger buckets of federal spending.
"We were told that we couldn't afford the $60 billion for Ukraine-related funding. But somehow, we can afford an $850 billion defense budget and annual trillion-dollar deficits," said Romney during his floor remarks.
We actually can't afford those things either. To argue Ukraine aid is a drop in the bucket is to take the perverse position that the more bloated the defense budget, and the higher the deficit, the less we should care about each additional dollar spent.
The willingness to just throw money at foreign policy problems is how we got our current oversized defense budget. The pitifully little we have to show for all that money spent is one of the reasons that a sizable portion of Republican lawmakers are willing to vote against more spending on foreign wars.
Whether that growing skepticism of foreign military aid on the right will be enough to sink the Senate's aid bill in the Republican-controlled House remains to be seen.
War continues to be a bipartisan vote-getter.
Still, one can't shake the ultimate conclusion that U.S. aid isn't changing the outcome of the war in Ukraine or Gaza. It's just changing who ultimately has to pay the monetary price for them.
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misconstrueman, Misek, Affleck and JFree will be along shortly....just watch.
Really?
On this topic that’s what you’re concerned about?
Nah, I knew you and your anti-semitic POS friends would come calling as soon as you saw Israel in the lede. Like a moth to a flame.
Antisemitic
Hahaha
Fucking Nazi shit, more honestly.
You’re the lying waste of skin who denied advocating funding Zelenskys Nazis in Ukraine.
I rub your face in that anytime I want.
Check that. A LYING fucking Nazi shit.
Are you still imagining that one day you might refute anything that I say?
Lie your way out of this fuckwit.
I’ve demonstrated that you advocate funding the Nazijew Zelensky in Ukraine.
This is what citing proof looks a like fuckwit, something you’ve never done.
Sevo
March.19.2022 at 7:54 pm
Nazi scum is a liar besides; cite just one time backing your bullshit.
Fuck off and die.
Rob Misek
March.19.2022 at 9:41 am
You are a lying waste of skin. What’s the matter, ashamed of yourself? You should be.
You were chiming in with the “stepping up” spirit the other day.
Sending bullets to the Jew Zelensky, puts them in Nazi guns fuckwit.
Sevo
March.7.2022 at 6:09 pm
“NASCAR Team Owner Offers Ukraine 1M Rounds Of Ammunition”
ttps://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/motorsports/nascar-team-owner-offers-ukraine-1m-rounds-of-ammunition/ar-AAUwqPd?ocid=uxbndlbing
A STUPID, lying, fucking, pile of Nazi shit.
It takes a breathtaking level of stupidity to claim that cite of mine supports funding Ukraine, but since your stupidity seems to know no bounds, that’s to be expected.
If not to support funding for Ukraine why did you post the link to a NASCAR owner sending ammunition to Ukraine?
You’re tripping over your lies. Hahaha.
I’ll spare you the trouble and enjoy rubbing your face in your lies fuckwit”
““…Or maybe you’d like to explain what you meant by posting that link, if not in support of arming Ukraine…” That I’m more than happy that people volunteer their money to support what they claim to support. In the case of Ukraine. those guys have my moral support; “
Just because you’re a cheap cowardly cunt and let others do your dirty work, that’s still supporting funding Ukraine you lying waste of skin.
I’m pleased with these optics.
Posting that link on an article about stepping up to support funding Ukraine was the same as carrying the same sign at a rally to fund Ukraine.
Hahaha
"...If not to support funding for Ukraine why did you post the link to a NASCAR owner sending ammunition to Ukraine?..."
You've had this explained to you in the past, but your retardation seemingly keeps you from remembering, you slimy pile of shit.
I posted that in support of people spending their own money supporting a cause they favor; this is a (supposedly libertarian as opposed to retarded Nazi) site.
Now, please be a good little boot licker; fuck off and die.
Hahaha
"Hahaha"
Was pretty certain you are too fucking retarded to understand; thanks of the confirmation. Go lick some boots, asshole.
Wouldn't theoretically anti-semites want a strong and stable Israel? Like how hardcore racists would want a stable prosperous Africa to entice black people to "return" there from the West?
Antisemitism. Hahaha
That term expired when bibi invoked Judaism to justify genocide in Gaza by the Jews.
Genocide can never be justified.
Yet you justify genocide every time you open your delusional yap about Jews!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Do you really fear that the truth that I share about Judaism JUSTIFIES the genocide of Jews?
That says far more about you than me.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Racists and Antisemites don't care whether the targets of their hatred go away mad or go away to prosperity. They just want the targets of their hatred to go away. There is no negotiating with mentalities like that.
Is that why you end every one of your replies to me with “fuck off nazi”?
Hahaha
No, it's ended that way as a sincere desire that you Fuck Off, Nazi!
You know who else would have been drawn to this topic?
Certainly not the Nazi AZOV battalions working for the Jew Zelensky funded by the US and others.
There haven't been any Nazis for the past 80 years, as Tucker told Putin (much to the Bolshevik's anger). Why are so many people obsessed with a German ultranationalist group from three-four generations ago?
“These people Mr. Biden is cutting checks to in Ukraine aren’t being labeled fascists the way the term is thrown around on Twitter. They are full-on, jackbooted, stiff-armed, “Heil Hitler,” cheering-at-Nuremberg Rallies Nazis — and they’re proud of it.”
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/8/biden-plays-into-putins-lies-by-arming-neo-nazis-i/
Why aren't you there, Nazi scum?
That's just Bolshevik propaganda, that Ukrainians are Nazis. The National Socialist Party was disbanded eight decades ago, and its main stated goal was to advance pan German nationalist goals. It has nothing to do with Ukraine, and a Ukrainian cannot really be a Nazi (unless he is a German ethnic minority from Chernivitsi or something, but most were wiped out via ethnic cleansing). This Nazi trope is just an old Bolshevik obsession.
That’s just Bolshevik propaganda, that Ukrainians are Nazis. The National Socialist Party was disbanded eight decades ago, and its main stated goal was to advance pan German nationalist goals. It has nothing to do with Ukraine, and a Ukrainian cannot really be a Nazi (unless he is a German ethnic minority from Chernivitsi or something, but most were wiped out via ethnic cleansing). This Nazi trope is just an old Bolshevik obsession.
Now summon Utkonos, so he can join in the dogpile on Misek and serenade us with: "SPRINGTIME for Hitler!"
🙂
😉
$95 billion supplemental foreign aid package that includes $60 billion for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.
Where's the other $21 billion going?
That is the royalty fee for 'The Biden Brand'.
It will be good times when you remember Biden’s presidency as the good old days.
As fondly as I remember my father's cancer.
The border! This is the Border Bill that Republicans in the house are refusing to pass, proving that they just want to destroy border security for their own political gain.
"Border Bill"..ha ha
Sure buddy and the German Democratic Republic was democratic. Good one Corn Pop
The AfD, GOP and Austrian Mises Caucasians?
Some of it is "for other vulnerable populations" and is believed to be compensation for illegal immigrants.
To the 5000 daily crossings that would have been allowed... gratis.
Taiwan is getting a cut.
$60 billion is not going to Ukraine, and $14 billion is not going to Israel. Most of the spending is going to the US military and US military suppliers.
An AP report "What’s inside the Senate’s $95 billion bill to aid Ukraine and Israel and counter China" provides some additional detail on the spending.
Ukraine will receive nearly $14 billion in arms aid, nearly $15 billion in training and intelligence sharing, about $8 billion for Ukraine government operations, about $1.6 billion for the Ukraine private sector, and $480 million to aid Ukrainians displaced by the war. That's less than $40 billion total, and $29 billion of that appears to be going to US military training, intelligence operations, and US military suppliers. About a third of the $60 billion, $20 billion, will be for replenishing the US military with weapons and equipment. This $20 billion is going to the US military and not to Ukraine.
$14.1 billion is for US and Israel military operations in the area. Of this $4 billion is for Israel air defense, $1.2 billion for Iron Beam, and $2.5 billion for the US military. That leaves another $6.4 billion for other support in the area.
$9.2 billion is for humanitarian aid for civilians in Gaza, the West Bank, Ukraine, and any other war zones around the world.
$1.9 billion is going to the US military for replenishment of weapons provided to Taiwan.
$3.3 billion is for building more US made submarines as part of the Security Partnership with Australia and the UK.
$400 million is for grants to US nonprofits and houses of worship for security enhancements.
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-aid-congress-senate-china-d7b4846de76a1dfe5d2207b7eb6eeead
It's going to the Big Guy?
Primarily Taiwan, replenishing some military stocks, and humanitarian aid for Gaza.
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I'd rather we led the world in free trade and peaceful conflict resolution.
Who in the world wants that?
Leonid Makarovych Kravchuk was the Soviet mole the Ukranians let disarm them (rather than the Moscow Kleptocracy) at puppet shows in Portugal and Hungary. When Yourupeeans were whining about repayment of war loans, Calvin Coolidge asked: "They hired the money, didn't they?" So as Ukrainians whine about Vlad kicking sand in their faces, the question is: "They signed the anti-Second Lisbon Protocol AND Budapest Memorandum, didn't they?" Marie-Antoinette might suggest: Let 'em spend protocols and memoranda!
That almost makes sense.
I do.
You running for Miss America? "All I want is world peace."
I’d rather we led the world in free trade
Lead the world in free trade like the lowest taxes and fewest regulations to domestic trade of any nation or the pollyanna-esque notion that, somehow, getting everyone on a national, global level to trade with you on your terms and not whatever terms they may dream up “freely” constitutes free trade?
Seriously, if free trade is always a win-win that benefits everyone, and trade deficits (in whichever direction) are neither particularly good nor bad, then how does one “lead in free trade”?
It sounds between nonsensical and chock full of "unintended" terribleness, like “I’d rather the US led the world in herd immunity to COVID.”
It was a bit of a flippant comment meant in juxtaposition to the jackhole quoted above who wants us to lead in spending our hard earned money in sending weapons, military aid and money to another continent to prop up yet another despot we have no business propping up. I'll bet you're fun at parties.
Free trade doesn't care what other countries do. It helps us even if other governments keep hurting their own people by putting up barriers.
I've seen the job of World Leader and I don't want it! Can someone please tell me where I have to go to opt out? Please?
Moscow?
Let's summarize. If we stop the aid to Ukraine, they will be in a much weaker position and thus will settle for losing what was already taken. And Russia, which would not have the militarily upper hand will agree to this and not take the opportunity to take all of Ukraine.
This is problematic for two reasons, first it rewards Russia for engaging in brutal war of aggression, and second it assumes that Russia will agree to peace when they have little reason to.
What don't you understand about, "It's NONE of your business?"
"None of our business" would be my normal reply to any sort of US intervention overseas BUT this case seems different and it reminds me fully of the Nazi invasion of Russia in 1941. Then the USA sent the USSR $$$ and materials that were critical for their survival. Stalin said several times that without US help the Soviets would have been destroyed. I feel Ukraine is in much the same situation. Putin thought Ukraine would be crushed in days and then what would he have done next? Poland? Estonia? We may never know but these billions might save trillions down the road. We'll never know.
Please don't get me wrong! No one is cheering louder than I am for the brave underdogs proving that the vaunted and feared Russian military was a paper tiger all along. If there are private donors out there who want to supply Ukraine with lots of antitank and ground to air missiles, I will consider them to be heroes. When I say it's none of his/her business, I mean that in the sense that I don't want OUR government using OUR power and money to officially support the Ukraine or anyone else in the world because it's not OUR business.
without US help the Soviets would have been destroyed.
And what would have been the down side?
Nazi's in control of Russia? Nah, the people would have been better off.
Stalin had people that had experienced Germany imprisoned or killed because they would question why their evil enemy had it better than they.
I feel Ukraine is in much the same situation.
It is interesting what this war has exposed. The biggest need for Ukraine by far has been artillery and munitions. No surprise, that sort of production capacity and demand is entirely a function of wartime conditions. It withers away in peacetime or the asymmetric conflicts the US engages in. Not the sort of big R&D pork and cost-plus programs and fixed-production run the MIC thrives on.
The US was able to ramp up the generic production quickly and relatively cheaply but it was entirely because the Army itself owns the ammo plants in question. The European companies that have done the same are also parastatal. The European companies that have either not raised production much or raised it at a high price are truly private. Likewise, for the US companies producing 'specialty' or single-user munitions.
The Soviets crushed Hungary in 56 and Czech in 68 (lands which were never Russian) and the US did nothing. But now Russia is the threat to US security? What? A war between two corrupt eastern european countries fighting over both land and post cold war stupidity mostly by the neocon/neolib west is isn't our business.
If I had go provide an analogy, it seems Russia today is basically the "Whites" in the Russian Civil War and Ukraine the "Reds." I mean for the neocons Zelensky is their modern Trotsky. Not a dime for Ukraine and not a dime for Israel. Funny how the neocons are obsessed with Russia and Israel...
In the long run, it's probably cheaper for the US to defend Europe via Ukraine, than from Europe. That is, if we're still in NATO.
Yes, Russia is a threat to US security. They are a straight up enemy who interferes with US interests, economy, and military at every opportunity. Russia is actively working around the clock to make yours, mine, and everyone's life worse, and in my humble opinion, any opportunity to fuck them up on the cheap should be taken.
"Yes, Russia is a threat to US security. They are a straight up enemy who interferes with US interests, economy, and military at every opportunity. Russia is actively working around the clock to make yours, mine, and everyone’s life worse, and in my humble opinion, any opportunity to fuck them up on the cheap should be taken."
You are welcome to deliver your entire income to your fave cause. Leave me out of it.
Russia wasn't a threat then? What planet are you living on? The humongous expenses of the Cold War, both direct and indirect, were far more than what is being asked for Ukraine today. Russia has been incrementally trying to re-create the Soviet power base that extends beyond the last three non-NATO countries on their doorstep, Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova.
We did nothing about Chechnya. We did nothing about Georgia. We did practically nothing about Crimea and the Donbas. Each time that encouraged Russia to take the next step ... and the next one and the next one. Russia will not stop until it is stopped. That is the nature of authoritarian regimes.
We got Ukraine to give all the old Soviet nukes based in its territory to Russia on the condition that we (and the UK and Russia) would respect and defend Ukraine's internationally recognized borders.
The only non-NATO country at risk after Ukraine is Moldova, which has no money and practically no military to even delay a Russian invasion. After that, it's all NATO and we are treaty bound to defend those borders. It would be far cheaper to defend Ukraine than a general NATO war against Russia, which really could blossom into a WWIII.
Staying out of things that aren't your business isn't rewarding anyone. It's minding your own damn business.
I thought to myself, what might be a reason to intervene in a conflict. Perhaps a major trading partner? Then I lol'd because it would mean backing China if they were attacked.
On the other hand the more money give them the more dead Ukrainians we end up with. But if that's your thing go for it.
Evidence would strongly suggest that we're handsomely rewarding the Ukraine for blowing up NS1 and 2, an act that definitively constitutes a no-shit war crime against NATO.
Everyone has their own favorite culprit, with corresponding reasons for doing so and circumstantial evidence, on who blew up those pipelines. None of the theories really outweigh the others.
"If U.S. leaders were to exercise more of the judgment that "world leadership" requires, they'd be sending $0 to either Ukraine or Israel."
So I don't understand Britschgi's position here. Would it be okay for the U.S. as world leaders to spend a hundred billion fiat currency if they DID buy something of value with that money? How about the American people demand that our politicians STOP trying to prove that the U.S. is the world leader!
Who else signed waivers of Second Amendment rights before passing a Second Amendment in the first place? The US Constitution in its 4400 words is not even copyrighted. Anyone desiring to reform a political State this past quarter-millennium was free to copy a terse and workable model. Instead, all other UN members except Switzerland embroider naked deadly force and looting with appeals to collectivized "rights" and are surprised by the blossoming of superstition, poverty, hatred, war, prohibitionism and reality control. Surprise, surprise!
People seem to keep forgetting that there is a fundamental difference between the European relationship between the ruled and the rulers, and the American concept that the People are not the subjects of the government. Our ancestors turned the ruler/subject model on its head, declaring that the People constitute the government as their tool to protect their rights and their freedoms equally under the law.
I think you'll find there are a lot fewer monarchies in Europe these days...
"There are no guarantees that Ukraine will defeat Russia
There is not a chance in Hell that Ukraine will defeat Russia. Sooner or later, Putin will lose patience and annihilate Ukraine with weapons of mass destruction. The only way to avoid that is for Ukraine to fall before that.
One of the unintended consequences of Putin's invasion of Ukraine is that now everyone knows just how ineffective his military is. Would you care to guess how effective his "weapons of mass destruction" might be if he tries to use them?
You do realize russia is literally using mostly their older and out of date armaments right?
You do realize that's what he said, right?
That’s not what he said at all drunk ass.
VD is right. No way UKR defeats RUS. What UKR has done is destroyed enough RUS tank and artillery capability to forestall any move by RUS against a NATO nation. UKR is now making the Black Sea inhospitable to the Russian Navy (has strategic implications).
Putin has indicated he will talk. He will deal. So talk to him. I would rather deal with Putin than any scumbag that replaces him (from a coup). Think about the kind of guy that can bump off a Putin. Do you think that kind of person gives a shit about the rules?
UKR though, has to decide for themselves how much is enough. I have no problem giving UKR weaponry to take out Russians. Just means fewer we'd have to fight later.
In light of your second and third paragraphs and other… heterodox… nations in the region, UKR has harder, more protracted problems to tackle as well.
Half the problem with UKR is (like the US) the ongoing internal corruption/globalist identity crisis.
Hey, I really don't give much of a shit about UKR. They are not a NATO ally. And I don't ever want them in NATO. Look at them. They are as corrupt as the Russians. How much of our aid just 'lost' along the way, and resold for profit? Now Zelensky cans his top military guys? In the words of that noted intellectual, POTUS Joe Biden: C'mon man! 🙂
UKR is not, and never was, an American fight. UKR is not a vital US national interest, and never was. Now, once UKR started taking out Russian air, artillery, tank, and naval assets at a rate higher than we would have thought....our goal probably changed a little at that point. Romney's point was valid: for 60B, we can cripple our main adversary; it is a bargain. He was right. Russia is now hobbled, unable to take on NATO in a conventional war. It is a different ball game now. It could be time to come to an agreement ending the war, if UKR is ready to make peace. Putin has indicated he will talk. So talk.
UKR will take generations to recover. Multiple generations.
Feel free to donate to Ukraine for weapons to fight Russians. You can even go fight them yourself! They’re no threat to me, so I shouldn’t have to.
Norway Warns ‘Russia Is in a Stronger Position Now Than a Year Ago’
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/norway-warns-russia-is-in-a-stronger-position-now-than-a-year-ago/
Weapons production delays continue in the West. Currently, orders placed for 155 mm shells take one to two years to be delivered. Adding to Kiev’s problems is a severe troops shortage. President Zelensky appears unable to address the manpower shortage as Ukrainians are beginning to protest future conscription programs.
Stensones explained that Russia does not face the same challenges, even in the face of a Western economic war. “Moscow is tackling sanctions better than expected,” he said. Moscow’s industry can now produce enough munitions, combat vehicles, drones, and missiles to enable its troops to “maintain their war effort all year.”
Denmark’s Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen made a similar statement last week. “Russia’s capacity to produce military equipment has increased tremendously,” he explained.
At the start but now? Every month more Russians enlist than enlist in the US army annually! NATO is proving to be a joke. The US military hasn't fought a large war against a similar foe since the Korean war. The MIC has produced very expensive weapons which can't be mass produced and are being outclassed by low cost drones.
Or, it's Putin's Vietnam.
Meanwhile, Russia spends copious amounts of blood and treasure for basically nothing of value and no end in sight.
And it could just as easily go the other way. The war in Ukraine is bleeding Russia dry. Putin will eventually die or be dethroned or maybe be put under enough pressure to leave Ukraine. The average Russian spends almost 40% of their income on food alone - and many are still, literally, starving. 25% of the country still uses outhouses, some even on the outskirts of Moscow. Many places have been without heat or power for months already, again, even on the outskirts of Moscow.
Ukraine's targeting of Russian fossil fuel infrastructure is preventing them from shipping oil or refining it in-house. Every day or two a different refinery or port gets hit. Every oil well in the tundra that gets shut down is a well that can never be re-opened, due to the freezing of the water that always comes up with the oil cracking well heads and pipes.
For all his bluster, Putin will never use WMDs in Ukraine as long as it is still just Ukraine, at least as long as the US is still supporting Ukraine. He has been told in no uncertain terms that any WMD use would result in a direct conflict in conventional war at a minimum and possibly WMDs in return. We have also already proved to him that we always know where he is and promised that he would be the first target.
Bullies never stop bullying until they are stopped. Better to stop him in Ukraine than in the rest of Europe. Have we forgotten the lessons of WWII already? That appeasement doesn't work? We cannot disconnect from the rest of the world.
post-war recognition of a Palestinian state.
Israel will NEVER recognize a Palestinian state. Never.
The Palestinians don't want a Palestinian state. The 'two state solution' is a Western Neoliberal conceit that was part fantasy, part virtue signal.
Now, one might nitpick and say, "That's not true, the Palestinians DO want a Palestinian state, but are against the two-state solution" you might be partially right.
Right—the Palestinians would accept a Palestinian state INSTEAD OF Israel.
And the problem with this for the US is---what?
And that's a good thing.
TSS is just delusional. And honestly, does anyone think that the mood is right in Israel to even consider it? Would we be?
Where are Israelis going to live if not in Palestine? It's where they live now. One state is the inevitable and only solution.
None of us will live to see it. The fighting will continue for centuries.
$95 billion is $650 per US taxpayer.
That's assuming that everyone pays taxes.
No, that's assuming between 145 million and 147 million federal income taxpayers, or so.
Seems the nations really at risk in both cases are either in Europe or the Mediterranean littoral. There's enough money in those locations to take care of business, if, perhaps, the governments weren't handing out free shit.
I'm tired of providing Europe with defense so they can continue to claim all that free shit doesn't cost anything.
Israel's war against Hamas in Gaza
Weird. All the pics of "before US-funded munitions were being used to make Gaza resemble the lunar surface" are from the years leading up to Oct. 7th 2023 and all the "after" pics are after Oct. 7th. Almost like it's not Israel's war.
Not to mention that most of the before pics look a lot like late-19th Century bust or ghost towns to begin with.
How Ukraine eventually decides to make peace with Russia is obviously up to that country and its leaders to decide.
JFC people. It's, at best, *half* up to that country.
It is Israel's war.
Remember: Hamas holds American citizens hostage as well. America has skin in this game. Hamas killed Americans, too.
As Nixon said..Israel has zero value for US security interests. The creation of basically an eastern European "religious/ethnic" state in the middle east was always going to create strife and wars. But I agree, the Israelis and the US lobby will never allow a two-party state which isn't a rump state controlled by Israel which is probably needed for self-preservation. A one state solution is better but the killing by both sides likely precludes as well. There isn't a way forward except continued killing..at least for the next 50 years.
I have a suggestion: Let the Israelis go all in and win. It will be ghastly. It will be awful. We will all tear up over shit that doesn't concern us because "feelings." And, the West will absolutely hate seeing Jews come out on top because the West is pathological about the Jews. But it will resolve the situation. There's no reason the US shouldn't just Pontius Pilate the whole thing.
Dude. You are simply not seeing the forest while you stare at the fucking tree. None of this is about the freedom of Ukraine, or Ukraine regaining all its lost territory, or saving the Ukranian people from Russian oppression. That's all just feel-good rhetoric and bullshit because Americans have an infantile need to feel nice, loved, and like liberators and heroes. We are obsessed with being a white hat rather than fucking winning and pursuing our national interests in the Great Game. Hello in the back! Listen up! Let me spell it out for the tardieloquent faux-Libertarian journo crowd: this is realpolitik. Our aiding Ukraine is about deteriorating and degrading Russian military power and strategic posture. We're playing chess on a global scale. The Ukrainians don't have to win or retake territory, and they could even lose and still give us bang for our buck. What we want them to do is fight and grind the Russians down and force them into a drawn-out stalemate or frustrate them into fully committing and having a pyrrhic victory. It's entirely possible for Russia to win and be in a worse position than they are today, let alone when this whole thing started. Ukraine is a pawn, or on a good day a knight, that we can sacrifice for better position. The goal is to have Putin walk away saying,"If we are victorious in one more conflict with West, we shall be utterly ruined."
This is right on the nose. The degrading of Russia's capabilities is 'worth it' for the funds proposed to be invested. Even if they succeed in stealing some territory, grinding them down in this mire helps America's interests.
When the return on investment is so good, with no risk to US troops, it is a reasonable choice. This conflict has delivered on a silver platter an opportunity to significantly weaken one of America's enemies.
All these people balking at the cost are just using that for an excuse to cover their real feelings. Its <1.5% of the military budget and somehow THIS is a bridge too far for some. How dishonest. If that is the problem, balance the budget some other way, but get over the petty politics and admit this is a great investment. Ukraine is out there sinking Russian warships for crying out loud, we should sit back from in cushy chairs and give them whatever they need to keep doing that for as long a possible.
Just curious since I hardly ever read this shithole site's woke statism-lite anymore but have reason-writers been criticizing and condemning US foreign aid, particularly funding of the Ukraine AND Israel all along? I shouldn't have to ask this question about a once libertarian magazine but the "foreign policy" content is mostly limited to "welcome immigrants, where's your friends and family?, they're welcome too"! and "tariffs bad, tax the serfs".
If North Korea invaded South Korea or Japan, you can bet we would send those countries gobs of money, regardless of their ability to defend for themselves. "In case of invasion, only poor countries get money" is not how alliances work in real life. Sorry. Like Trump says, everyone pays.
The Ukrainian war is a regional conflict. Russia is a police state, but it is not an existential threat to Ukrainians. An ordinary Russian would not be involved in 10/7 level attack and rape and behead Ukrainian women and babies. It is possible to negotiate deals with Putin. Meanwhile Israel is basically at war with modern day Nazis that want to exterminate their people.
Let's make something clear here - Palestine is functionally no different than the Third Reich or the Confederate States of America in terms of ideology. It is a nation steeped hate and radical religious fundamentalism. And unlike other parts of the ME they don't have a functioning (dictatorial) government that can suppress the radicals.
These people are a direct threat to America, because they hate America to begin with, and they demonstrated their limitless depravity in violating civilians to get what they want. They'll keep voting for Hamas and call for the genocide of Jews in any part of the world.
Was it appropriate for us so send resources to fight the Nazis? If yes, then it's appropriate to send Israel money. The Jews are the most persecuted people on the face of the earth. Wars have broken out due to antisemitism. And antisemites tend to hate Christians, gays, and other POCs in general. "This doesn't affect us directly" is myopic. 9/11 wasn't that long ago. I expect the government not to sacrifice liberty in the name of security, but that doesn't preclude us from being viligilant.
Israel doesn't need our help to do whatever the fuck it wants to do in Gaza or the rest of Palestine. Ukraine does, just to survive.
On a realpolitik level, the US gets less than nothing from its support for Israel (of course, I'm not counting the domestic benefits), but in Ukraine, every Russian soldier or munition wasted there is one fewer which can be turned against Putin's next target (which may be an NATO ally).
No Republican should vote for this, UNLESS it also exactly cuts from spending at least this same amount. We shouldn't be doing this, but if we are, at least we might do the unthinkable - actually cut spending.
I've only got two things to say about Ukraine. Milla Jovovich and Mila Kunis. Olga Kurylenko gets an honorable mention.
There are a few points on the Ukraine aid I haven’t seen brought up by Reason. Our Military stocks have expiration dates, by supplying Ukraine we are often sending our old stocks and replacing them with new stocks that we keep. If we need to replace the stocks, we might as well donate the old ones. Ukraine has been a test bed for new unproven weaponry which benefits us. It gives us insight in to battle with a technologically advanced aggressor to make sure we are militarily investing properly. Of course there comes a point where we would literally be giving them money and at best that isn’t a good use of our resources.
Perhaps we could be paid for those stocks?
The case for cutting aid to Israel is the easiest to make. It's a wealthy state with a modern military and plenty of resources at its disposal to prosecute its war in Gaza. Israeli taxpayers could easily cover military spending that U.S. taxpayers are currently shouldering. It doesn't need the additional $14 billion the Senate aid bill would send it.
I'd agree if we were instead committed to sending American troops over to first-hand assist the IDF in wiping out Hamas (or "Palestine" for all you who prefer playing make-believe), and then the various Iranian proxy states, and finally Iran itself. And make the mission clear and circumscribed. No nation building, no attempting to nurture some fantasy of a "peaceful, moderate Islam" - just go in and put them down for good. Same way we did the Nazis. Break its spine, scatter whatever remains to the four winds, and let them coward in hiding for the rest of their days hoping never to be found.
It's not about helping Israel, if that's your hangup. It's about helping America. Because whatever you think about Israel and "Palestine" - that's just a prelude for what Iran has planned for America, their "Great Satan."
Iran will be mired in Palestine for the next 50 years--with or without the US' superfluous aid to Israel. Not (overtly) supporting Israel would make them (and other ME terrorists) less likely to focus on the US, not more.
It would be a different matter if Israel were a poor country which needed US help to survive, but that's not the case.
I don't think that's true. Iran harbors a massive grudge going back decades. And then our siding with Iraq really pissed them off. They've been watching, studying, and fighting asymmetric warfare against us ever since.
America, in their eyes, is a festering cancer that needs to be removed. By contrast, Israel is more like a hangnail to them.
I'm typically very skeptical of American forays into combat (with troops or money) in other countries; but Ukraine is not only not Israel, it's also not Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. The situations in those three countries entailed internal problems within a single country (claims to the contrary notwithstanding) - they did not consist of one country's aggression against another country with the intent to take over and enslave the victim country's population.
And I certainly do not wish to try to convince anyone that there is some significant likelihood of ultimate military victory for Ukraine.
I'm just wondering how far ahead those who want to stop supporting Ukraine have been thinking.
"The lack of benefits of U.S Ukraine aid is compounded by the serious risks it runs that our proxy war with Russia becomes an actual war with Russia. That would be truly disastrous for the entire globe."
Putin has made it very clear - since he first became Russia's leader - that he intends to retake every inch of territory that ever "belonged" to the Soviet Union or Russia. And he's been busy doing just that for many years.
I have trouble imagining how anyone could believe that " ... a negotiated peace that cedes to Russia some of the territory it already controls" will be the end of Putin's attempt to "retake" countries that he believes belong to Russia.
Any sort of "peace" will just give Russia the breathing room to make more money, manufacture more weapons, and conscript more people into its military. Then the rest of Ukraine or some other country will become the next victim ... until Putin has what he wants. I see that as basically a rerun of "peace in our time".
If we are willing to sit back and do nothing because of " ... the serious risks it runs that [some] proxy war with Russia becomes an actual war with Russia", then we have conceded that in the end Putin can have whatever he wants and can take it any way he wants. It's not clear to me how that is better than attempting to support Ukraine as long as they are willing to fight. Ukraine may not win; but they might give Putin a (bigger) black eye, resulting in less freedom for him to continue his aggression against other countries in the future.
I am all for cutting tax-funnded foreign aid, but I also think Libertarians should view this as an opportunity to create private networks for sending aid to people defending their own lives and freedom throughout the world. I would gladly chip in a Bachelor's Mite for that and more if I were rich.
The network already exists and I have already given and will again. And I'm nowhere near rich. Not even middle class. Take five minutes to search and give what you can today.
We simply can't afford it and should not fund any war that is not formally declared by congress.
We should be selling them all American arms with European money.
One question I have is: "When will the US tell the Israelis that they're a sovereign nation and it's time for them to stand on their own two feet?" I hear and hear about what a great ally they are, but devil a time have US and Israeli soldiers fought side-by-side. I hear and hear about what a good friend of ours they are, but between the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty, the Pollard affair (a lot of the data they had Pollard stealing for them was of no interest to Israel, but of great interest to the USSR---anybody want to bet it didn't end up in Moscow one way or another?) and their general, articulated contempt for us, I figure they are a friend we can do without.