Toronto Bans Tobogganing on 45 Hills, Puts Up Warning Signs
"The fear of liability is ruining modern childhood," says one mom.

Talk about a slippery slope. Toronto recently erected warning signs on 45 hills around the city that read: "Tobogganing is not allowed."
The warning further clarifies that "hazards such as trees, stumps, rocks, rivers or roads make this hill unsafe." The signs also include a URL for a website where kids can find one of 27 tobogganing-approved hills. (Not even a QR code?)
Ricki Gurwitz, a Toronto mom of two, is exasperated.
"The fear of liability is ruining modern childhood," she says. "I used to toboggan all the time with friends when I was a kid, and it was one of my favorite parts about winter."
Bill Steigerwald, a longtime newspaper writer and author of 30 Days a Black Man, agrees.
"There are too many nanny rules aimed at making the world so safe that people, and especially kids, are not allowed to do anything outdoors but sit on a bench," he says.
Toronto City Councilman Brad Bradford also opposes the ban.
"Frankly, it's embarrassing," he told The Toronto Star. "This is part of the Canadian experience, growing up in winter cities, and Toronto shouldn't be the exception to that."
Not only do kids lose out when trees become an obstacle to outdoor fun, but so does the city itself. Anti-tobogganing legislation makes Toronto "move in the direction of no-fun city," says Bradford.
Last year, the city put up bales of hay around the trees on the popular hill in Bradford's district to avoid crashes. Now, tobogganing is banned on that hill. (Of course, crashing into a solid bale of hay is perhaps not so different from crashing into a tree, in this humble correspondent's view.)
Maybe it's just that nobody wanted to bother with the bales this year, mused Philip Howard, an anti-bureaucracy crusader and author of Everyday Freedom.
"Memories of a fun place have been yanked away from families in Toronto," he says.
It's not just tobogganing. On its winter sports safety guidelines page, Toronto's team of experts advises anyone crazy enough to even think about going sledding to always check for hazards like bumps and bare spots, as well as "ice-covered areas." (Between bumps, bare spots, and ice-covered areas, that pretty much covers all the terrain, no?) The city also warns any not-yet-daunted tobogganers to never use a "plastic disc" to slide down a hill.
Don't bring the family dog, either, as animals "may get excited." (Their lives should be as boring as yours!) And of course: "All children should be supervised by an adult."
So after the adults have checked for ice, bumps, trees, plastic, rivers, streets, steps, and Fido, kids are free to enjoy the winter wonderland.
But by then, all of them are probably back inside, glued to their screens.
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bumps and bare spots, as well as "ice-covered areas are the fun parts
No shit. If there isn't a bump, then you build one for yourself.
The bumps, yes. I've never intentionally built a bare spot. And having hit a few, they're no fun.
Or more precisely, they're an example of Type 2 fun - no fun while you're doing it but great for bragging rights afterward.
warning..Yenta Mom alert. I grew up in a small town in central NY..fantastic growing up, outside all the time, sledding down massive hills at the local schools..years later I went back to visit my folks and all sledding had been banned on public property.
The disease that is NYC liberalism imported I supposed from some bolshie country has destroyed childhood.
Bumps and bare spots are a teen boy's dream.
never use a "plastic disc"
How do they feel about cafeteria trays?
Those were always favorites in college.
I still have mine.
Yup, that's where I learned the technique.
The folks who ran the dinning halls were not a fan on the concept.
One Christmas Santa gave me and most of my siblings aluminum coasters! I don’t think the plastic ones had been invented, yet. We had about 5 coasters and 2 sleds, IMS. 9 kids.
In the summer, the coaster doubled as a shield, when jousting on bicycles or playing Captain America.
Never did the jousting on bikes, but the Capt. America think was a definite.... had to sing or hum the theme song while you did it, IIRC.
+1 for Cap's cartoon intro theme!
Narrator’s voice
The progressive politicians were able to sleigh some of the fun associated with winter.
Kid's parents need Toboggan with the city council to get these hills back open.
Councilors would be fluming if they had to rescind this.
What a bunch of flakes.
I guess we can't call them lugers.
I wonder if runners are allowed in the parks.
Brilliant!
It’s all downhill from here.
Laws like this are literally a slippery slope.
There are some popular sledding hills near me that I would never personally attempt. Some hills you just look at and say, "nope".
That's the part that has me asking whether they are truly in the wrong.
I'm ready and willing to believe that they are going a lot further than necessary and being nanny state authoritarians. What I question is whether some or most of these hills should have caution signs, who owns the property, and whether there is enforcement over this. I am not terribly bothered by listing hills as unsafe so long as there is no penalty to ignoring it. At the same time, I also don't have an issue with enforcing trespassing laws in these places for the property owners based on liability.
I don't think Lenore has really engaged in many high speed activities if she thinks hitting a hay bale hurts about the same as a tree or that placing the bales is a silly safety precaution.
As kids we used to go sledding at several places where we shouldn't have. Eventually the school stopped allowing it there because kids kept getting major injuries and suing the school.
This seems like it is describing a minor annoyance for mostly valid reasons rather than a major infringement of freedom.
Warnings about safety or private property are definitely acceptable. Doing dangerous things have built in consequences.
Banning all dangerous things is a stupid goal.
Knowing government most of those hills they banned it on are probably fairly safe.
"kids kept getting major injuries and suing the school."
So, the real problem is the fucking lawyers.
Easy solution: hang the lawyers.
Bingo. How much of this is the City's Attorneys advising the City on how not to be sued? Add in the parents who will sue if little Johnny or Janie gets a bump or a bruise.
I had to write a User's Manual for a piece of equipment a few years ago. My manual totaled 16 pages. After passing it through Corporate Legal it was 54 pages.
And that 39 pages of crap keep the 16 pages you wrote from being readable.
The real nasty choice was the hill that had a chain-link fence or stone wall at the bottom, without which one would slide into traffic.
Snow fencing could be placed ahead of the more solid barriers, though. If one did it before it snowed the fence might even keep snow from drifting onto the roadway and any adjoining walkways and sidewalks.
To toboggan in Canada you must sign up fir MAID first, then their government should be eager to accommodate your death wish.
Government gets jealous and might kill you for doing something it has decided is it's job.
When I was a kid, our parents taught us that the 'no skating / no sledding signs at city parks really only meant 'Skate / Sled at your own risk. If you fall in the lake, don't come crying to us'.
Liability coverage. Don't cry to me if you hurt yourself doing what I said not to do.
Politicians amazed todays parents survived to have kids, news at 11.
Well we also survived riding in cars without seatbelts, bikes without helmets, had parents who smoked and drank around us and may have occasionally smacked us, we never heard of trans or nonbinary either. So perhaps we are the problem and owe GenZ reparations.
No, that's backwards. GenZ owes Boomers reparations.
Car seats? We sat in the back of the pickup, going down the highway at 60. And when we got a topper for it, we slept back there.
In the back of the truck from west Michigan through Canada to Niagara Falls. Those were the days.
I look at all the superannuated toddlers riding around with helmets on their bikes, and have to concede, if you brainwash early enough, it sticks.
"You tobagganin on dissa hill, we breaka you NECK!"
First real snow the season this past weekend in the Midwest so, of course, hit the slopes. Broodling No. 1, being too cool "accidentally" leaves his helmet in the truck and insists he's OK without it and that he's not going to hit anything. I point out that the helmet isn't in case he does something stupid and winds up hitting something, it's in case someone else does something stupid and winds up hitting him. Make him go back and get it, shoes, ski boots, his choice.
Sure enough, we're taking a pic in the pedestrian area just outside the lodge and some amateur bombs a double black diamond (in the Midwest) into the area, goes over the top of a board, ruins a couple sets of poles, nearly cripples two people, and almost kills himself in the process.
The most important thing? Yeah, his skin tone did not give me the impression that he came from a long line of downhill snow sport enthusiasts.
The owner of each hill should make the decision as to whether it should be available for such use, and an applicable user fee charged.
The problem is fucking insurance companies and lawyers. If someone gets injured and expects their medical insurance to cover treatment, the insurance company will insist on a lawsuit against any available deep pocket to recoup their costs. I don't know how to fix this except maybe with a Constitutional amendment assuring a right to accept personal liability.
Yesterday, saw some folks out on the lake. Not sure what the ice was where they were but there is some open water too. If they fell in and drowned, and they were illegal aliens, folks might blame that on Texas.
Skating, sledding oir ice fishing?
When I lived in Wisconsin, somebody’s pickup truck falling through the ice was one of the first signs of spring.
2 winters ago: Cementheads like this....
To be super extra special safe maybe they should make sledding hills gun free zones as well.
The contract to level all hills in town will be out for bid next September.
Good thinking. Make hills illegal. That will help with compliance.
Speaking of laws that discourage having children...
Ethan Frome approves.
(Gosh. That was an awful book.)
Sleds are better.
After the Great Blizzard of '77, the snowbanks after they plowed the school parking lot were so high (like 20 feet, compared to the normal 6 feet) that we weren't supposed to sled on them either. We just went to the other side where no one could see us from the school.
We weren't supposed to dig tunnels either, because they might collapse. Those snowbanks ended up riddled with tunnels.
Varmint Cong!
My experience as a kid in elementary school in the 7th decade of the 20th century (the 1960s.) The place: a South Shore village on Long Island, NY. The oceanside location meant that we got a lot less snow and cold weather than, say, my cousins up in Schenectady did.
Our town had a sizable lake, from which a small river flowed into the Great South Bay. Since it had a current, that lake rarely froze, but a branch of it – The Cove – extended behind our next-door neighbor’s property. That wooded section of land wrapped behind ours. The town had filled in part of the cove with a paved road, and connected it to the next section of water with a culvert. The next section was separated from the lake proper by a sandbar. At high tide water flowed over that bar.
Some years that cove never froze long enough for safe skating, but in most years it did, at least for awhile. Half the township seemed to know it was the earliest good ice in cold weather. I learned to skate there, but not before breaking an arm trying.† I wound up playing many a game of pond hockey – no checking, no lifting and no slap shots! We grumbled about figure skaters trying to reclaim bare ice we had arrived as early as possible to shovel free of snow. Sometimes we migrated to the other half of the cove, but that didn’t always freeze enough to be safe.
Did a kid sometimes fall in, like Harry Bailey in It’s A Wonderful Life? Yup. We’d get a ladder and have him grab that, or form a human chain, just like kids were taught in the Scouts. Sometimes we’d really test fate, and ride our sleds and coasters down paths through the woods, which sloped down to the cove, launching ourselves through the air and BAM! riight onto the ice. Then we’d slide right across, in a sort of a cross between the bobled and ski jumping, though with only about a foot of elevation.
Sometimes the Northenmost part of the cove, closest to a thoroughfare, didn’t freeze at all. My theory was that oil and gasoline ran off the road into a nearby storm basin, and thence into the water, lowering its freezing temperature. You could see the sheen on the surface when the light hit it right. The ice on the Southernmost side of that section was solid, as the adjoining roadway was a less-travelled side street. Anyway, that meant that one might sometimes have to hit the brakes when sliding on the ice. Often enough adults were around – even the local volunteer Fire Department – to make sure we didn’t do too much that was crazy. ‡
Our winters were much shorter than the ones in Tronna. We treasured every frozen minute, and every inch of good ice and/or sled-worthy snow. It would all melt too soon.
I watched the Jets-Islanders game frrom Winnipeg on Tuesday night. It was 4 F (-5 C) in the `Peg! What great skating must their ponds and sloughs have up there with temps like that! I bet the mites and squirts all play indoors these days, with Zambonis grooming their ice sheets. No shovels for them!
† I stupidly ran over a frozen tree root on double-runners. I eventually learned how to maneuver on single-bladed hockey skates, and became the world’s worst pond hockey goalie ever to try to play in skates. I looked down on those who played in their boots. No ambition!
‡ The VFD use to refill their pumper trucks from the lake, so they’d stop by coming back from doing that.
Water stores an insane amount of heat. It has to get really cold outside to pull enough heat out of it to freeze. The bigger the body the harder is it to freeze. The lake close to me doesn't start freezing in the winter until the nighttime temperature reaches -10F.
Spokane Parks had them beat by 30 years. Kid 1 sledded on the golf course. By the time Kid 2 was old enough, it was closed to winter sports.
Toronto resident here. This story is a "nothing" story. In fact, it's actually a libertarian victory of sorts. If the city says "no tobogganing here" then they can't be sued for liability. It saves them from putting up hay bails and other expensive b.s. that people don't really need. Right now, if you go to one of these hills to toboggan no one will stop you and you won't be fined for it because it's just a by-law. By-law police can give you a ticket but unlike a parking ticket you can just ignore the by-law infraction. So, just like when I was a kid and broke into the local golf course to cross-country ski; I'll take my risks and suffer the consequences on my own.
It's everyone's right to pick the hill they wish to die on!
I guess Ethan Frome will have to be rewritten with a new ending, these kids will have no reference point.
(Between bumps, bare spots, and ice-covered areas, that pretty much covers all the terrain, no?)
You're obviously not and outdoors type of person. Most winter sports take place on snow. When they take place on ice, it's usually a frozen lake.
I almost never see naturally occurring ice outside. As soon as it freezes it starts to accumulate snow. To play hockey on it you have to get out there and move the snow first.
In my TL;DR comment above, I noted how all of us who wanted to play some shinny would bring our shovels to the cove as early as we possibly could to clear it for a game or thirty.
As for sledding, my friends back in `Sconny still do it.
The Science of Sledding!
Where to do it in MKE!
Only thing Gov't officials like more than a ban is a tax.
Why doesn't the government just outlaw gravity?
It would ban it except for those who get a license and pay huge fees for that!
Having stacked baled hay in a barn for a couple of months one summer, I'd rather run into a hay bale than a tree.
Amazingly, you can still sled down Capitol Hill in Washington.