Philadelphia Relies on Private Sector Chargers To Charge City-Owned E.V.s
Motorists complain about long lines at charging stations as civil servants queue up in city-owned electric vehicles.

Last week, Philadelphia's NBC10 reported that city-owned electric vehicles frequently queue up at public charging stations along with everyday motorists, causing longer wait times for all. Reporters visited charging stations numerous times during work hours and routinely found city employees either waiting in line for a charger or waiting for their vehicle to finish charging, which can take up to an hour.
Some city employees told NBC10's Claudia Vargas that they used the downtime to catch up on paperwork, while others sat in their cars apparently watching videos on their phones. Inspectors with Philadelphia's Department of Licenses and Inspections (L&I) spend their workdays going to buildings and job sites, and any time spent waiting to charge is wasted.
Motorists complained about having to wait in line along with workers drawing a city salary, with one noting that city vehicles should "have a way to charge overnight in like their own facility."
"It turns out they do," Vargas reported. Philadelphia has 107 chargers to serve its fleet of 261 electric vehicles, but the chargers are poorly apportioned. NBC10 found that many of the city's chargers are located at city-owned repair facilities, while others are installed at police departments and prison complexes that have no electric vehicles.
L&I has 115 E.V.s—more than any other department in the city—yet it has no chargers at any of its buildings or facilities. Instead, the city contracts with EVgo, a private company that operates charging stations across the country. The result: city employees spending a portion of each workday sitting in their cars, making other motorists wait longer.
Worse, charging during the workday means the city pays peak charging rates. If the fleet were able to charge overnight at city facilities, rates would be lower as there is less demand for electricity.
While the report is bad news for Philadelphia, it presents a broader lesson as well. As Congress and the Biden administration apportion billions of dollars to build out the nation's E.V. charging infrastructure, it's worth remembering how bad central planners are at distributing resources. Philadelphia has more than enough chargers to service its fleet of E.V.s, but none of them are in the right places. Instead, the city relies on the private sector to make up for its own shortcomings.
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Am guessing none of these have been installed along the more urban parts of Kensington Avenue.
I thought you guys were all about the private sector solving problems. What's wrong with public vehicles charging at private electric plugs? Is anyone going to proscribe police cars from gassing up at Chevron?
I came to say exactly this.
Private sector can obviously do it better. And, if they are always full then that's incentive to add more plugs, right? You are obviously more willing to make another charging station if you're guaranteed business.
Yup. In principle, I see no issue with using private chargers, no more than using a normal gas station to fuel up.
I can see people complaining about city employees getting paid to wait for a charge but that's a problem for anyone who owns and EV and doesn't have an overnight charger. That is to say, anyone who rents or has their garage filled with stuff rather than EVs.
The solution seems simple: how much does a charger cost versus city employee wages? Pick whichever is cheaper.
I can see people complaining about city employees getting paid to wait for a charge but that’s a problem for anyone who owns and EV and doesn’t have an overnight charger. That is to say, anyone who rents or has their garage filled with stuff rather than EVs.
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But what if we just didn't pay the employees for the time they aren't working?
They are calling for moar government chargers via apophasis.
Fueling a gasoline vehicle at Chevron (or station of your choice) only takes about 5 minutes or so, 1/6 to 1/12 the time of an electric vehicle.
LOL. 1. If the private sector was handling this the government would have less than 1 EV's because of a lack of infrastructure. 2. They do have LOTS of gas powered cop cars because the private sector has provided the infrastructure to support them. That's why those 'guys' are all about the private sector.
Way to miss the point.
I'd wager if the city had contracted a private company to determine where to install their chargers they would be installed in the right places.
Government buys it's OWN chargers but then also rents chargers from the private sector because they didn't build their chargers where they're needed. Only the government would be that incompetent. It takes a special kind of "skill" to do something like that.
If the private sector had purchased those chargers, they'd not only have put them somewhere useful, they'd be letting everyone use them AND making a profit, to boot.
This is what happens when you use vehicles that take a half hour to an hour to refuel at a fast charger. You get lines that make the gas crises in 1973 and 1979 look good by comparison. Just imagine how much worse this will be if the Democrats get their goals regarding electric vehicles on the roads.
"If the Democrats get their goals" then we'll face the much bigger problem of insufficient electricity generation to fuel all the electric cars.
Feature, not a bug.
One more step toward everyone living in a wonderful, utopian, 15 minute city.
I'm trying to understand the problem here. I'll bet that Philadelphia government vehicles also utilize private gas stations to fill up.
The problem is the unrealistic and inefficient demand that cities buy electric vehicles.
The problem isn't that Trump tariffs are making your electric vehicle more expensive, it's that you're mandated to buy one.
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They might or might not fuel at public stations. When I was in EMT school, the local ambulance company didn't fuel at them, and in truck driving school we didn't fuel the trucks at them either. City run facilities with card locks in both cases.
It also doesn't take as long to put 200 gallons of diesel in a tractor trailer as it does to charge an electric car. By at least a factor of four, I'd hazard.
Based on the article above, it's a factor of ten or more.
Even running dual high volume nozzles, it still takes rather a while to fill those tanks. Plus the DEF tank. So I was rounding it out at 15 minutes.
It's also a bit of an unfettered sprint vs. having your dick taped to your leg.
That is, just like there are superchargers, we *could* pump diesel or gasoline at 200 gal./min. and it would be safer than the 10 kg of H2 pumped, step-wise, up to ~10 psi in ~5 min. that is required for commercially available hydrogen fuel cell cars to
operate safely and convenientlysave the planet.According to Wikipedia (not the best resource, I know), US pumps serving trucks and other large vehicles have a flow rate of 40 gallons per minute. That is consistent with my own observations (there's a truck stop near where I work) that I've rarely seen a truck at the pump for more than about 5 min.
Waiting around getting paid 2 hours a day seems lIke the perfect use of government employees.
The problem is that half of the government departments shouldn't exist.
When was the USA changed to be … “central planners are at distributing resources”…
The Democrat Nazi’s have already conquered the USA at this point; now it’s really a battle on if the USA can be restored. The US cannot compete anymore and is a sinking ship BECAUSE it isn't the USA anymore. It's been conquered.
An oldie but a goodie
At a recent computer exposition, Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: “If General Motors had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon.”
The gm spokesman responded with "yes, but do you really want a car that crashes twice a day"
and any time spent waiting to charge is wasted.
That's the real slap in the face. The fact that we're paying ANY city worker to stand around charging his car for an hour plus is a gross waste and inefficiency. And for what - so the city can virtue signal with premature technology about a climate problem that doesn't exist in the first place?
So stupid. You'd be better off sticking them on buses.
Today's Transportation Costs for EV...
$8.00 ($50 actual - $42 paid by armed-theft of taxpayers)
$40.00 of ?minimum wage?
... because there is no amount of stupid that can stop the growing virtue signalling of a Nazi-Empire (gov-'guns' gang). Not even publicly showing data demonstrating the $90 versus $20 price-tag difference just made the virtue signalling case even worse than before ... i.e. IF the stove doesn't stop 'burning' you just hold your hand there longer and press harder.
Well, if the Philly city employees weren’t wasting two hours a day charging EVs, I’m sure they would find a way to be very productive for those two hours/sarc.
Well, on the bright side, at least no one is coming to car jack these EVs. Sure they may rob you waiting to get charged, but they won't take the car.
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Sarc?
Nah. He just sucks cock for cash at the local transit authority. Think Rickety Cricket in later seasons from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.