Southern Border Showdown

Plus: Houthi attack, Milei misinformation, Instagram rooster eugenics, and more...

Abbott baiting Biden: Yesterday, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed a new bill, Senate Bill 4, which allows law enforcement in the state to arrest illegal migrants who entered from the southern border. Making that action a state crime will most likely result in a legal showdown between Texas and the federal government.

Abbott also signed another bill into law yesterday. Senate Bill 3 devotes $1.54 billion in taxpayer funds to the continued construction of the border wall—which comes in addition to the $1.5 billion worth of contracts the state has already devoted to building about 40 miles of wall in the last two years—and shells out some $40 million in funds for state troopers to patrol hotspots where illegal immigrants are likely to be.

Interestingly, some border sheriffs oppose the new legislation due to fears that the court system will become overwhelmed by the sheer number of arrests. "In just one section of the 1,254-mile Texas border with Mexico" near Eagle Pass, roughly 150 miles west of San Antonio, "federal agents encountered 38,000 migrants in October," reports The New York Times.

Regardless of your thoughts on illegal immigration, this is a stunningly large amount of taxpayer money doled out to build the border wall and fund enforcement.

A record number of migrants have shown up at the southern border during Joe Biden's presidency. In fiscal year 2021, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) cited a record 1.72 million "enforcement encounters" with another estimated 273,000 migrants who "avoided apprehension." This year's number of migrant-CBP encounters is set to exceed the prior two. "Biden's deliberate inaction has left Texas to fend for itself," said Abbott at the signing event.

"The debate over border security in Congress is ultimately about whether the United States should accept much more immigration than federal law allows," writes David Leonhardt for The New York Times. That's surely part of it, but I don't think this is fully correct: I think there's not-insignificant disdain inspired by the fact that the current system for handling inflow at the southern border is horribly chaotic, and that we should seek more of a political consensus that can then dictate how we want to act, versus remaining in a reactive crouch. 

I think that position can even be squared with wanting allotments for vastly more immigrants (as I do).

Ukraine update: "The U.S. will run out of funding for Ukraine this month if Congress does not act to pass President Joe Biden's emergency supplemental spending request that has been stalled for weeks on Capitol Hill," an unnamed White House official told Politico yesterday. The Biden administration has one more planned installment of aid for Ukraine, after which point funding will cease unless Congress approves more.

"Even if the Senate were to reach an agreement and pass a bill this week, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives—where a significant number of Republicans have voiced opposition to additional Ukraine aid—is not due to return to work until Jan. 8," reports Reuters.

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Scenes from New York: Protesters are defacing New York and shutting down major transit hubs including, last night, both Penn Station and Grand Central Station. They're also using some, uh, choice words that I didn't realize progressives were keen on. (There is only one correct take on this, and it comes from Ben Dreyfuss.)

Pro-Palestinian protestors just broke into Penn train station in New York and are occupying it. They've got a banner saying "Support Palestinian Resistance". Not hiding it anymore. pic.twitter.com/KbOuIkrZAb

— Heidi Bachram ????️ (@HeidiBachram) December 18, 2023

Protestors evidently 'redecorated' the sidewalk with spray paint messages of "Zionism = terrorism" and "IDF kills babies" pic.twitter.com/B6ayeWL13R

— katie smith (@probablyreadit) December 19, 2023

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QUICK HITS

• The Adobe-Figma merger was halted following a call from European regulators (who hate nice things).
• Beware of viral information on Argentina's new president, Javier Milei. A lot of it misrepresents what he's actually doing:

Maybe I'm missing something, but it reads to me like this is about clearing blocked roads, and line 11 is about fining people & organizations who block roads so taxpayers aren't on the hook for the cost of clearing them.

Free speech is good. So is free movement along roads. https://t.co/sbtHAr0Kzx

— Zach Weissmueller (@TheAbridgedZach) December 16, 2023

• "Dozens of container ships bringing manufactured goods from Asia to Europe are setting off on arduous detours around Africa—snarling trade and delaying cargo deliveries—after a wave of attacks by Houthi militants on the merchant fleet in the Red Sea," reports Bloomberg.
• This is the gentlest possible article about Joe Biden's age, over at Axios, with a hilarious kicker toward the end: "Polls indicate that more than 70% of voters have concerns about Biden serving a second term because of his age." It's almost like Biden aides and the journalist class are in favor of him getting reelected, yet most of the general population isn't.
• Someone please alert the kids to the incontrovertible truth that being a resident assistant in a college dorm just ain't the same as working in the coal mines.
• Wise:

Every important new technology is initially described as "dystopian Pandora's box nightmare that will destroy life as we know it," and then 20 years later as "a basic human right that should be free to all," and often by the same people https://t.co/BHntxnSXF5

— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) December 15, 2023

• "Using specialized e-commerce sites, secretive shipping workarounds and a constellation of middlemen, Russia has obtained the tech components it needs to keep its economy and war in Ukraine going," reports The New York Times.
• Big problem:

Whoa. 40% of all federal student loan borrowers—at least 8.8 million Americans—missed their student loan payments last month. pic.twitter.com/ZrmJAWGXrF

— Austen Allred (@Austen) December 17, 2023

• I simply cannot look away from the tradwife/eugenics/rooster discourse. To summarize: A "tradwife" Instagram influencer named Hannah, who goes by the handle @ballerinafarm, had an accident where the youngest of her seven kids got bloodied up by a rooster on the family farm, so Hannah slaughtered the rooster and made an Instagram post about the importance of culling aggressive members of the flock (standard practice in animal husbandry). The internet ran with this and claimed Hannah is…a eugenicist. I have thoughts.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

simply cannot look away from the tradwife/eugenics/rooster discourse.

As a rooster owner, I reserve the right to wring its neck.

[The Margrave of Azilia]

Choking the chicken?

[Randy Sax]

I had my first ever sex-ed lesson in my great-grandfather's chicken coop. I asked him how he knows if the eggs are fertilized or not. He had 11 hens and 1 rooster. He pointed at the rooster and said "You see him? He's the rooster. They're fertilized."

[Eeyore]

Confused when I get older and realize I'm never going to reproduce with a cloacal kiss.

[Medulla Oblongata]

We don't keep roosters, for largely this reason. Plus all the crowing. Egg-laying hens, culled and replaced about every 2 years or so when their production falls off. But we give them a pretty good life, well-fed and virtually free-range except for the nightly coop lock-in (for predator protection).

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Is the rooster named after a Little Rascal, Spanky?

[TheReEncogitationer]

"Ze animals are to be BRED UND SLAUGHTERED!"
🙂
😉
Dr Strangelove--Peter Sellers--"An astonishingly good idea"
https://youtu.be/zZct-itCwPE?si=BIeT26S5jbBCfI8G

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/AgentMax90/status/1736983219457917136?t=nHJ5LexbOCNvhmUOETKzTA&s=19

The same population that overestimates the number of Blacks shot by police annually grossly underestimates the number of illegal immigrants who enter the country annually.

If that's not evidence of a public that's been thoroughly indoctrinated, then show me what is.

[Link]

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1736754078233870609?t=w5Jm5FLk5aGy8MOBPJta6A&s=19

Harris Harvard Poll
The true number is 3.2 m
More people than the state of Iowa (31st in population) every year

[Graphic- 8% got it right]

[Spiritus Mundi]

3 million a year for decades, but only 10-20 million total (or at least that is the number they always give).

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

3.2 million blacks shot by cops every year?! That's horrible!

😉

[Social Justice is neither]

I enjoyed watching the collapse of the Youtuber that thought 15% of unarmed blacks in the US were murdered by police each year found out he was closer if he'd drop the % from his estimate.

[Minadin]

"Hannah slaughtered the rooster and made an Instagram post about the importance of culling aggressive members of the flock (standard practice in animal husbandry). The internet ran with this and claimed Hannah is…a eugenicist."

Wait until these folks learn about selective breeding of domesticated animals and crop plants to encourage the proliferation of other desired traits. Why, it's almost like we've been eating human engineered GMO's all this time!

[mad.casual]

Wait until they learn that winnowing ideological diversity in favor of genetic diversity is also eugenics.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Whoa. 40% of all federal student loan borrowers—at least 8.8 million Americans—missed their student loan payments last month.

Credit ratings are white supremacy or maybe the patriarchy.

[Don't look at me!]

Paying bills on time is racist.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Being expected to pay bills at all is racist.

[damikesc]

Paying the bills of your ancestors, aka reparations, are perfectly fine by them, though.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Tell her about paying bills on time.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-teachers-union-president-owes-city-5579-for-utilities/

Newly uncovered records show Chicago Teachers Union President Stacy Davis Gates was $5,100 behind on her water, sewer and garbage services before starting a payment plan in July 2023. She almost immediately defaulted on that plan – despite making more than $289,000 a year.

She owed $5,579 to the city as of Nov. 7, 2023.

Ms. Davis Gates still hasn't paid her long overdue water bill.

[R Mac]

Water is a human right!

[TheReEncogitationer]

Tell Congress about paying bills on time too.
🙂
😉

[HorseConch]

This seems to be a pattern with her type of over-the-skis politician/grifter.

[TheReEncogitationer]

"Over-the-skis"? Is that beyond "jumping-the-shark"?
🙂
😉

[Unable2Reason]

It's ridiculous to expect a person that suffers from Time Blindness™️ to pay a bill on time. Freaking ableists.

[mad.casual]

Despite what you might think, whipping donuts at time blind people isn't as much fun as whipping donuts at actual blind people, it's a lot more like whipping donuts at plain old retards.

[JesseAz]

Joe has basically spent 3 years telling them they won't have to pay their loans. Do you really think he is going to go after them for non payment?

[Minadin]

Well, at least in the case of my loan service provider, they didn't exactly make it easy to navigate the restart. So, I can see why some people might have missed it after 3.5 years of not having to deal with it.

[DesigNate]

Same. And of course the IBR plan I qualified for for my non-government owned loans didn’t get applied to the government owned ones so I have to redo the whole process.

[Minadin]

Yeah, I had to re-do everything manually before the payments were set to start again, even though I never wanted them to stop. And I still couldn't increase my monthly payment over the minimum until AFTER my first one went out. After that, the option magically appeared. At least my remaining loans were consolidated prior to the pandemic. So manually everything, again, but only once.

On the plus side, apparently being one of the small percentage of people who made their first 3 payments on time, with the last 2 (and the rest going forward) being double the minimum, bumped my credit score with both of the major rating agencies by 30 points in the positive.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

These sooper-doooper edgamakated smrt folx are too stupid to figure out how to not spend money they don't have buying shit they don't need, or living their best life at the latest boutique eateries every week. How the fuck are they going to figure out how to make their student loan payments?

[Knutsack]

"missed"

That's one way to put it.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

"I wouldn't say I've been missing it, Bob."

[mad.casual]

Yeah, I'm probably going to miss registering my PICA-banned devices with the State of IL too.

(Anybody else find it ironic that somebody like Pritzker passed a bill named PICA?)

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

PICA chews through gun rights...

[JesseAz]

Regardless of your thoughts on illegal immigration, this is a stunningly large amount of taxpayer money doled out to build the border wall and fund enforcement.

A single appropriations on the border wall is less than NY will spend on illegals for just this year. That is one state.

[Longtobefree]

"Regardless of your thoughts on illegal immigration, this is a stunningly large amount of taxpayer money doled out to build the border wall and fund enforcement."

It seems we should not enforce laws that are expensive to enforce.
How much has been spent persecuting Trump?
Include the costs of all the impeachment processes, the Russia collusion probes, and all the lawsuits to date.

[JesseAz]

The argument Liz tries to make is meaningless when you compare it to the costs absorbed by government for not enforcing the policy.

[Medulla Oblongata]

A few no-cost or low-cost policies or legislative tweaks might have dramatic effects.

E.g., asylum claims made after illegal entry are moot. You can make your asylum claims at any US embassy or consulate in your own country or any safe 3rd country.

E.g., anyone ever officially processed as being in the US illegally is ineligible for any form of work visa, green card, or citizenship for, say 25 years after the last processing instance (so getting a speeding ticket as an illegal alien restarts that clock).

E.g., welfare fraud prevention, one feature of which are active measures to prevent illegal aliens from accessing benefits. Bonus: weed out all the citizens raping the system.

E.g., make being in the US illegally (including overstaying a visa) a felony, with fast-tracked adjudication and the penalty being summary deportation and permanently ineligible for any future work permits, green card, or citizenship.

E.g., legislatively clarifying "under the jurisdiction thereof" to mean that simply being downloaded on US dirt is inadequate, such that at least one parent must be a citizen (under the jurisdiction).

E.g., bullets are cheap...allow border patrol to shoot people the second they drop onto the dirt on this side of the fence. Put warning signs on the other side of the fence, to be sure...

[ducksalad]

E.g., asylum claims made after illegal entry are moot. You can make your asylum claims at any US embassy or consulate in your own country or any safe 3rd country.
Fair enough.
E.g., anyone ever officially processed as being in the US illegally is ineligible for any form of work visa, green card, or citizenship for, say 25 years after the last processing instance (so getting a speeding ticket as an illegal alien restarts that clock).
Fair enough. Although the reason they came illegally is precisely that they already couldn't realistically get any form of work visa, green card, etc. So it isn't going to "dramatically" change their motivations.
E.g., welfare fraud prevention, one feature of which are active measures to prevent illegal aliens from accessing benefits. Bonus: weed out all the citizens raping the system.
Fair enough.
E.g., make being in the US illegally (including overstaying a visa) a felony, with fast-tracked adjudication and the penalty being summary deportation and permanently ineligible for any future work permits, green card, or citizenship.
Fair enough, as long as the court has ***jurisdiction*** over them.
E.g., legislatively clarifying “under the jurisdiction thereof” to mean that simply being downloaded on US dirt is inadequate, such that at least one parent must be a citizen (under the jurisdiction).
Oh wait, now we can't try them for the felonies, because we don't have jurisdiction. Guess you better choose one or the other.
E.g., bullets are cheap…allow border patrol to shoot people the second they drop onto the dirt on this side of the fence. Put warning signs on the other side of the fence, to be sure…
Fair enough, as long as it is literally at the fence, and they drop onto federal property, and the border patrol does not trespass on private property at any point in the exercise, and if they pull a gun on a citizen or someone here legally, the citizen/legal is strictly entitled to assume the officer intends to kill them, and to act first and lethally.

We agree on a lot, you see.
As you se

[Medulla Oblongata]

Ok, then

E.g. a Constitutional amendment to alter the birthright citizenship terms such that it requires being born on US dirt AND at least one biological parent being a citizen (natural or naturalized) prior to the birth of said child.

Low-cost change.

[JesseAz]

The funny thing is most countries are Jus Sanguis instead of Jus Soli. That is the normal operation for citizenship. Those countries still can arrest people for felony despite Duck's ignorance of the issue.

[ducksalad]

I wouldn't say it's normal. Most of North and South America are Jus Soli. Africa, Asia, Europe are mostly Jus Sanguis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Not hard to figure out why - the Old World is made up of ethno-states. Spain is the land of Spaniards, France is the land of the French, Bangladesh is the land of the Bengals, etc.

I have very little use for Nikole Hannah Jones, but she got one thing right: any chance for the US be a white ethno-state was lost for good in 1619.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

E.g., welfare fraud prevention, one feature of which are active measures to prevent illegal aliens from accessing benefits. Bonus: weed out all the citizens raping the system.

This is a problem because many welfare systems are state-run. When the states themselves make it legal for non-citizens/illegal/undocumented to qualify for taxpayer funded, cradle-to-grave largesse, then making this a "national policy" is a no-go.

Ie, we voted for it.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Ok, well, no federal bailouts for states that do that, when they run out of other people's money.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Ok, well, no federal bailouts for states that do that

LOL

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

asylum claims made after illegal entry are moot

This would actually be a violation of the asylum treaty. We agreed to it because it was necessary for making it more possible for people to escape the Soviet Union.

But we could certainly enforce the provision where they have to apply in the first safe country.

[Medulla Oblongata]

As I understand it, they must present themselves immediately upon illegal entry to ask for the asylum. Waiting until they are caught months later should moot their claims under the Convention. Jumping over the fence and running from border patrol should moot their claims. Further few claimants are even from countries with recognized refugee outflows--most are simply economic opportunity migrants making false claims of asylum, exploiting this loophole for as long as they can. That's one reason I said there needs to be fast-tracked adjudication of the ones that do walk right up to BP and demand asylum.

[Super Scary]

"How much has been spent persecuting Trump?"

We'll let you know whenever they finish. So, possibly never.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Neocons aren't the only fans of forever wars these days.

[Don't look at me!]

Immigration is going to destroy New York
/mayor of New York.

[Medulla Oblongata]

But immigration is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS net positive!

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Then why is the mayor of Chicago so butthurt at the Governor of Texas? Mayor Brandon should be delighted with all of the net benefit being bussed to his city at the expense of Texas!

[Social Justice is neither]

Ok, you've sold me that the destruction of NYC is a net positive.

[Social Justice is neither]

They openly ignore any cost that counters their preferred solution while catastrophizing the much lesser costs of the opposition. This is as close as Reason gets to honesty or coherent thought these days and it is indistinguishable from MSNBC.

[JesseAz]

This topic has always been the Koch funded position to ignore all costs. OBL was built on that awareness. Cheap labor subsidized by taxpayers to enrich business.

[Spiritus Mundi]

The cost of illegals does not go away after one year. The wall is a sunk cost of billions. Supporting illegals and their dependents (not to mention the successive waves of illegals spurred on by others success) in perpetuity will be in the trillions in just a few years.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

It is a large outlay of taxpayer dollars, and Texas shouldn't have to shoulder it alone, but the feds are mewling retards.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Using specialized e-commerce sites, secretive shipping workarounds and a constellation of middlemen, Russia has obtained the tech components it needs to keep its economy and war in Ukraine going...

Silk Road. Where's Busty Chuck Schumer when you need him.

[Fats of Fury]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66890686@N02/44432180972/in/dateposted-public/
Getting fitted for his manssiere

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

I believe that's "brossiere".

[Fist of Etiquette]

Every important new technology is initially described as "dystopian Pandora's box nightmare that will destroy life as we know it," and then 20 years later as "a basic human right that should be free to all," and often by the same people...

VHS pr0n.

[Randy Sax]

My VCR player broke. Now I gotta use pirated pdf scans of old magazines. Half of them aren't even in color. 🙁

[TheReEncogitationer]

And Free Market Capitalism is a big "Fuck You!" to both bunches of riff-raff. Get your own, DemSocs or don't, Totalitarians, but get the Hell outta my way and don't stop me!

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's almost like Biden aides and the journalist class are in favor of him getting reelected, yet most of the general population isn't.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THIS OUT LOUD.

[R Mac]

Same as 2020. A little election interference and we’ll be all good.

[R Mac]

Edit: election fortification. Damnit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

THERE'S A LITERAL EDIT BUTTON.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

That fact that it's being said out loud at Reason.com is damn near shocking.

[JesseAz]

Beware of viral information on Argentina's new president, Javier Milei. A lot of it misrepresents what he's actually doing:

Thank God this never happens here. You guys weren't out front saying you can actually say gay in Florida and it wasn't repeated as dont say gay in multiple articles. You properly discussed how books weren't really banned on states. Oh..

[Mother's Lament]

I mean I'm glad Liz is pointing out the dishonesty there, but I wish a lot of the other Reasonistas would recognize Reason participated in a lot of the exact same dishonesty here.

[JesseAz]

Yeah. That was the primary point I tried to make. Reason is not innocent of the charges.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...after a wave of attacks by Houthi militants on the merchant fleet in the Red Sea...

This never happened when the British had a navy.

[Longtobefree]

But you have to remember, it was the British who had the wisdom to say there was no solution to the problems in the middle east, and just walk away from their mandate obligations.

[Don't look at me!]

What happened to the religion of peace?

[TheReEncogitationer]

It never was. Next question.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Something about Barbary Pirates and the shores of Tripoli comes to mind.

[The Margrave of Azilia]

"It's almost like Biden aides and the journalist class are in favor of him getting reelected, yet most of the general population isn't."

Alternative explanation - they are aware of Biden's liabilities - age being the *least* of them - and are contemplating nominating some other Democrat (Newsome?) amid protestations that it's just a matter of Biden being old.

[R Mac]

Another tranny rapes some kids:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/kendall-stephens-philadelphia-lgbtq-activist-charged-with-rape-of-minors/ar-AA1lJ9VJ

[Longtobefree]

Local news.

[JesseAz]

If it happens in Florida is it local news?

[Spiritus Mundi]

If they could only say gay.

[Mother's Lament]

"DESANTIS!!!"
*shakes fist at sky*

[Social Justice is neither]

Do you want Our Democracy to die? Stopping trannies from raping minors is how you kill Our Democracy.

[Idaho-Bob]

CBS making excuses for the tranny rapist.

Details of the allegations against Stephens have not yet been released.

In Aug. 2020, Stephens, a Black trans woman, was the victim of a hate crime and an assault inside her South Philadelphia home.
Tymesha Wearing was convicted in February of aggravated assault and conspiracy for her role in the home invasion and group assault of Stephens. Wearing also was convicted of hate crimes, which are considered summary offenses in the city.

Wearing was sentenced to 11 1/2 to 23 months of house arrest, and she will not be eligible for parole until 18 months of home confinement, 120 hours of community service, a letter of apology to Stephens and a court-monitored anger management program are all completed.

Stephens became an LGBTQ+ activist after her attack, previously pushing lawmakers for more protection of the community.

[R Mac]

So Wearing knew what he was up to, but just didn’t finish the job.

[Idaho-Bob]

Good assumption.

[Mike Parsons]

Holy shit lol. More than half of that article is just details about a hate crime that happened to this brave black trans person of color.

"Tranny raped some kids...anyways here is a laundry list of the bad things that happened to the freakshow before"

Seriously, these people (the media) are beyond redemption. Apologizing for a kiddie raper

[Mother's Lament]

Pure Chemjeffery.

[R Mac]

Lol.

[I, Woodchipper]

The journalist class are the enemy of the people, full stop.

[Chumby]

This happened because you did not use the proper pronouns.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I admit that while reading the article I was mentally switching the pronouns into my patriarchal white supremacist understanding of my native tongue. Is that wrong of me?

[Don't look at me!]

Mind misgendering is murder!

[Michael Ejercito]

Imagine if this sort of thing was committed by a Jewish rabbi.

It would be a major scandal!

[R Mac]

Oy vey!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Free speech is good. So is free movement along roads.

You know who else liked to keep things moving?

[Spiritus Mundi]

Ex-lax

[Mother's Lament]

Fred Astaire.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Cornelius Vanderbilt?

[Chumby]

Andrew Jackson?

[Gaear Grimsrud]

John Stevens?

[TheReEncogitationer]

Sargent Carter of Gomer Pyle: U.S.M.C.?
🙂
😉

[American Mongrel]

The lemur in the Madagascar movie?

[I, Woodchipper]

Soul II Soul?

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

Soul Train?

[Vernon Depner]

Isaac Newton?

[tracerv]

Bad Company

[Longtobefree]

The issue is not Biden's age, it is his lack of mental capacity.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Also his terrible policies when he had mental capacity.

[R Mac]

And being a corrupt asshole and a pedophile.

[Longtobefree]

Well, on the other hand, to be sure, the policies are actually those of the democrat party.
It won't matter who they put in charge of us next, the policies will remain the same.

[Mickey Rat]

He never had that much mental capacity.

[JesseAz]

Lefts attempt at destroying history temporary halted.

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/arlington-confederate-memorial-takedown-halted-court-order

[Mother's Lament]

They'll just have their rioters do it for them later.

[R Mac]

Reconciliation from the first civil war is bad now because it’s time for the next one.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

It's already a federal crime to enter illegally. All open borders activists are wrong

[Idaho-Bob]

This simple fact is constantly ignored.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The U.S. will run out of funding for Ukraine this month...

Biden has Christmas presents to buy!

[A Thinking Mind]

They'll find some more bags of cash buried somewhere in the Pentagon.

[Fist of Etiquette]

...allows law enforcement in the state to arrest illegal migrants who entered from the southern border.

Pretty sure there's probably plenty of statutes they can already use to arrest anyone they want.

[Spiritus Mundi]

No seatbelt.

[Idaho-Bob]

10 year old pissing in public.

[Don't look at me!]

I once got pulled over in Texas for doing 4 mph over the limit.

[ducksalad]

Don't even need a statute.

The courts have already ruled they can be mistaken about whether there is a law or not.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

"this is a stunningly large amount of taxpayer money doled out to build the border wall and fund enforcement."

And yet still cheeper than what sanctuary cities are doing

[Commenter_XY]

My hunch is that the people being dicks about this online and the people who call the cops on kids walking to the store by themselves have some Venn diagram overlap. A word to the wise: You should let parents parent, and involve the authorities only in cases that are quite obviously abuse or neglect. Every adult has a different risk appetite, and ought to be allowed to parent accordingly. Milk carton kids may have led to lots of parental neuroses, but it's not MY job to be a receptacle for your head problems.

This was classic Liz Wolfe. Well said. What a breath of fresh air, and an improvement over serial abortion and sex worker posts.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

"if the parents had an abortion then they wouldnt have to worry about strangers calling the cops on them"
-ENB hot take

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'll take exception with the statement that milk carton kids caused this neurosis. Gen-Xers are basically the helicopter parent generation, and if Zoomers are as fucked up as they are right now, it's ultimately because their parents didn't let them roam around like the Xers got to when they were kids.

I suspect a lot of that is based on 1) Xers being known as latchkey kids, and deciding they wouldn't neglect their own kids like they felt neglected; and 2) the Amber Hagerman case ultimately terrifying parents that someone was going to snatch and kill their kid if they weren't around them 24/7.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Yes it was a great rant.

[TheReEncogitationer]

I didn't think below was one of Liz' smarter takes:

She's pregnant with her 8th kid. Now, I don't have 8 kids, but I would hazard a guess that one becomes a little less hawk-eyed in their supervision of each individual kid under those circumstances. Which is a foreign concept to most internet commenters and, frankly, sad. Why do you, mother of 1 or 2, think that you get to tell Big Family Mom how to do her job when she's running a totally different show? Fuck off, you have so little experience with this, do you even understand the first thing about it?

Nobody but Octomom and the Dugger family can relate to this, and recall what a bang-up job they did. /Sarc

And you don't need any number of kids to relate to numbers, like the fact that raising a child by modern standards of living costs $450,000 a year, not including college if that's desirable anymore.

Barring independent wealth, 8 kids is just a big EBT/WIC/Medicaid/Section 8/Gummint Skoolz/Foster Care Subsidy/Earned Income Tax Credit grift!

And this grift is especially reprehensible when you have more kids than you can educate or supervise and they end up in harm's way!

And, yeah, as a single taxpayer who pays for and gets none of these tax-funded bennies, I can say what the fuck I please about it! Taxation, meet Representation.

And no, it is not envy. Envy is hating the good for being good. This phenomenon of spitting out broods o' younguns for bennies from Uncle Sugar doesn't rise to the level of good in any Universe!

[TheReEncogitationer]

Wait, not a year. From birth to 18. Still, it's a shitload, and a bigger shiload multiplied by 8.

[Truthfulness]

Let her have as many kids as she wants. To hell with your sentiment.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

If you think that's bad, the US military has been buying Russian oil.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

So has the Ukraine government.

[Sandra (formerly OBL)]

"It's almost like Biden aides and the journalist class are in favor of him getting reelected"

More than one Koch-funded journalist wanted him to win last time. 🙂

#CheapLaborAboveAll

[Don't look at me!]

Reluctantly

[JesseAz]

Strategic.

[Krokko]

"reluctantly" is becoming the "allegedly" of Letterkenny...

[Chumby]

I don’t know how many wanted him to win, but four of them acknowledged casting votes for him.

If they did so for open borders under the current deficit welfare state, that is exactly what they got.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Well, let's take a look, shall we?

https://reason.com/2020/10/12/how-will-reason-staffers-vote-in-2020/

Eric Boehm: I will vote for Jo Jorgensen—unless I believe there is a chance that Joe Biden will somehow fail to win Virginia, in which case I will vote strategically and reluctantly for Biden.

C.J. Ciaramella: Joe Biden. The nationalists said the libertarian-conservative consensus is dead, and I take them at their word.

Shikha Dalmia: I will cast my ballot for Joe Biden in Michigan, a swing state, because there is no bigger libertarian cause right now than to prevent Donald J. Trump from getting re-elected. He is a proto-authoritarian who digs dictators such as the Philippines' Rodrigo Duterte and who glorifies state violence.

Mike Riggs: While I would like to see a President Jo Jorgensen, I will settle for not having to live another four years under President Donald Trump. I will cast my first ever vote for president for Joe Biden in the battleground state of Pennsylvania.

Stephanie Slade: I am a true undecided: I've been vacillating between sitting out this election, as I did in 2016, or voting for Joe Biden.

Robby Soave: I might have voted for Joe Biden if he chose Tulsi Gabbard as his veep, but he didn't, so I'm voting for Jo Jorgensen

Zach Weissmueller: It makes me a little queasy, but I'll be voting for Joe Biden....

So we have six known voting or possibly voting for Biden.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Then two who gave warnings about Biden.

Robert Poole: Because I live in Florida, likely again to be a swing state, I am planning to vote for the lesser evil, though the Libertarian Party candidate would be far better. But our next president will be either Biden or Trump, an even worse choice than Hillary or Trump (and last time I proudly voted for Gary Johnson and William Weld).

This time around, both parties have been transformed. The Democrats are a far more collectivist party whose environmental, transportation, spending, and judicial policies would have devastating long-term effects on this country. The Republicans have become a populist, anti-trade, anti-immigrant, and big-spending party. But despite wishing the Republicans would receive a massive shock that would return them to a more free market approach, I will select GOP/Trump as the lesser evil. This is because of the need to continue with a Supreme Court that upholds the written Constitution, but also because of better environmental, regulatory, and transportation policies and staffing of the relevant agencies.

Mike Alissi: Jo Jorgensen. Some of my libertarian friends plan to vote for Biden because they view Trump to be a unique existential threat to liberty. I think that underappreciates the audacious scope of the Biden agenda, which would bring a daily onslaught of new initiatives and regulations from every corner of the federal bureaucracy aimed at controlling the personal and economic choices we make on virtually everything. These ideas aren't just rhetoric from a blowhard. Depending on what happens in the Senate, they're likely to become law, undermining economic growth and moving us backward on First and Second Amendment protections, school choice, property rights, consumer freedom, campus due process, worker freedom, energy choices, and so much more.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Prescient. But it was obvious to anyone not afflicted with TDS.

[Mother's Lament]

It was obvious to those afflicted with TDS too, but they didn't care.

[R Mac]

Yep. The amazing thing is even now that all those things have happened, there’s still people here, that are totally not leftists, mind you ( just ask them, they’ll tell you) that still won’t acknowledge how much worse Biden has been for liberty than Trump ever was.

[DesigNate]

Unpossible!

[JesseAz]

Hate seeing "libertarians" using the same language and narratives as the left. Just oozes out of their statements.

[R Mac]

One of the craziest things to ever get published here was Shreeka blaming Trump for what Modi was doing in India.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

RINO establishmentarian believes Biden's narrative falling apart.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/graham-says-biden-knew-nothing-about-his-sons-activities-narrative-falling-apart

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) believes the narrative being presented by Hunter Biden in response to the impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden is "falling apart."

During a Dec. 17 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Sen. Graham said Hunter Biden's narrative that his father knew nothing about his business dealings had begun to unravel in the light of day.

"The idea that Joe Biden knew nothing about the business dealings is falling apart," he said.

But he's still definitely a part of the GOPe.

However, Sen. Graham also conceded the impeachment inquiry has a tall order ahead of it in actually proving the accusations against the president. He believes if there was any evidence showing the president had committed the crimes he is accused of, it would already be public knowledge.

"They have to prove that President Biden somehow financially benefited from the business enterprises of Hunter Biden. We'll see," he said.

"If there were a smoking gun, I think we'd be talking about it," Sen. Graham added.

Wishywashy wuss.

[Don't look at me!]

Investigations are supposed to look for evidence, not confirm public knowledge.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

Who are the retards that thought Joe had nothing to do with hunter?

[Ska]

Thought that dad had nothing to do with junior's business, or only said they thought that FJB had no knowledge of it?

[Gaear Grimsrud]

That was the case. But now Joe was not "financially" involved. Stay tuned. A new narrative is being formulated even as we speak.

[Longtobefree]

Dude, getting 10% IS financial involvement.

[A Thinking Mind]

They're pretending there's no evidence that ever happened.

[Longtobefree]

True enough, if bank records are not evidence.

[JesseAz]

Criticizing the GOPe proves you're a conservative - sarc.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Graham is the turd floating on the swamp.

[R Mac]

Tony Bobulinski not being sued for slander is pretty good evidence.

[Alan Vanneman]

"IDF Kills Babies"
Well, doesn't it? What's the body count in Gaza these days, "Reason"?

[Don't look at me!]

Better title: Hamas keeps babies in a war zone.

[Jerry B.]

But, apparently, Hamas hasn’t killed anyone since Oct. 7. Or at least no one is reporting on it.

[Mother's Lament]

Okay Misek, how many babies did the IDF kill? Remember, that plastic doll that appeared in dozens of different "mothers" arms in the Hamas videos probably shouldn't count.

[JesseAz]

Hamas civilians are immortal. They can die dozens of times to appear in dozens of photos.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It's amazing, isn't it? Gaza has 2 million people, and yet the IDF managed to kill 3 million of them.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Miracles are common in the Holy Land. Remember when that guy fed like a thousand people with a handful of fish? And the there was that time when they kept the hospitals open for 3 weeks with no fuel. Mysterious ways.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

Does Israel have their kindergardners preforming hostage taking drills like hamas?

[Agammamon]

Is it bad when the IDF does it but its acceptable when the US or Hamas or China do it?

[Zeb]

Yeah, war sucks, people get killed.

[Michael Ejercito]

Was anyone in Germany or Japan killed because of war?

[Chumby]

There are reports that two Christian women were shot and killed by snipers while attempting to use a bathroom at a church.

[Think It Through]

Also killed babies:

US
Russia
Germany
Japan
Italy
Britain

Babies get killed in wars that occur in civilian areas.

Maybe if some people weren't subhuman, they would consider that before committing a terrorist attack that killed babies itself, along with precipitating a war that will.....kill babies.

[Commenter_XY]

The body count of Hamas members is not high enough, Alan V. I will personally be happier (and safer) when Israel puts a bullet in the head of the last living Hamas member.

Hamas can end this war and stop the 'baby killing' in 15 minutes: surrender, and face Israeli justice.

[Michael Ejercito]

Here is a poem about the war, wirtten by Nefesh Bar Yohai.

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.israel/c/9r3guA2dKjE/m/Yh8AssMiAQAJ

Oh, Hamas attacked the Jews,
And now they are learning bad news,
Many of Hamas are dead,
And their women like to give dirty head,
Oh, what can I say about Hamas,
Satan the devil is their boss,
I really don’t know what to say,
Many in Hamas are gay,
They attacked Kibbutz Aza with their might,
Now they a learning the Jews know how to fight.
Hamas murdered little children that they hate,
Hamas has a big fat puss gut woman for a mate.
Soon Hamas will be all done,
As Tzhal kills each and every one.

[Vernon Depner]

Many in Hamas are gay

The rule over there is that it's not gay if the boy doesn't have facial hair yet.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Is this from Israel's version of South Park, sang by a Cartman who hates Kyle because "he's a Goy"?
🙂
😉

[Truthfulness]

Put a woman in Gaza and make her lame and gay!

[TheReEncogitationer]

Only because Hamas uses those babies as human shields, Dummy!

Sanford Dummy Reel
https://youtu.be/moYdbNXBwvk

[Agammamon]

>Regardless of your thoughts on illegal immigration, this is a stunningly large amount of taxpayer money doled out to build the border wall and fund enforcement.

What is it compared to how much we've given to Ukraine?

[Chumby]

Ending the non-consensual welfare state today addresses taxpayer money being doled out to feed, clothe, and house the illegals.

[Medulla Oblongata]

We've given more to Ukraine this year alone, with pretty well zero accountability, than was ever spent building the wall.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Or would have been spent to complete it.

[Agammamon]

>They're also using some, uh, choice words that I didn't realize progressives were keen on.

1. Progressives are keen on any word that can be used to exert power - *you* can't say that word, other people can. Power.

2. What do you think Progressives call them when they're not around?

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

Nappy headed hos?

[Chumby]

Imus curious about this answer aa you are.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Saw a few years back a college football coach overheard someone use the N-word during practice--one black player to another. The coach stopped practice and said something like "Did I just hear you say '[whatever the player had said, verbatim including the N-word]'? I never want to hear anyone use that word on this field, ever."

The coach had to apologize for using racist language against his players.

[Truthfulness]

Should he sue the school for the double standards?

[tracerv]

Dingers?

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Biggest threat to DC - trigger warning: Mises Institute.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/truth-biggest-threat-democracy-dc

Early this year, Jack Teixeira, a 21-year-old Massachusetts Air National Guard member, was arrested and charged with transmission of national defense information and other charges.

The [Washington] Post article sympathetically portrays the struggles of U.S. government officials fighting to suppress the unapproved eruption of hard facts.

The Post bewailed how the leaks discomfited the Ukrainian government.

But the only reason that the “leaks” caused an international uproar is because U.S. government officials and their foreign partners had been brazenly lying about Ukrainian successes and prospects for victory.

Folks who read foreign news sources or independent American outlets or websites (such as Mises.org) were far more likely to recognize that the war would have no happy ending for either Ukraine or Russia.

The Post omitted mentioning the role of federal censorship in deluding Americans about the Ukraine war.

Washington Post readers are the cream of the intellectual crop, at least according to Washington Post readers. So how did Post devotees respond to the indignation about the leaker?

The article generated almost 600 comments. Among the most liked was an outburst from “ArtPope”:” Don't understand why this article was written other than to support the pro-Putin, anti-Ukrainian position of the white nationalist evangelical fascist RepubliQans.” “Thinking4" replied: They have profound ignorance of democracy and that their very words and actions undermine the standing of the US in the world.” (Thinking4 was probably not an English major.)

None of the most liked comments showed any outrage about Team Biden’s perennial lies on Ukraine.

Do the Post reporters and editors have no shame? They were not smart (or honest) enough to hark back to one of the clearest lessons from the Pentagon Papers, leaked in 1971.

The Post rationalized the bias of Team Biden: “U.S. officials viewed the airing of pessimistic battle outcomes as detrimental to their endeavor to raise support for the war effort, both in Congress and internationally.” Truth-telling never competed with cheerleading for more bombs and missiles.

Will the Washington Post ever honestly examine the costs of its own kowtowing to officialdom? The Post could do a great in-depth investigation of why its own editorial page and columnists have made so many false, misleading, or deranged statements on the Ukraine war. But don’t expect hell to freeze over any time soon.

[Don't look at me!]

Is there anything about the Biden regime that isn’t wrapped in lies?

[R Mac]

I just hope the facts change sooner than later so we can stop funding this slaughter.

[Jerry B.]

The Post has devolved into the DNC's newsletter. Most of the commentariat are way Left Progressives who, based on recent comments, hate Jews.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Glenn Greenwald has pointed out frequently that the Post is the surveillance state's mouthpiece. It makes total sense that it would be the clearinghouse for the DNC as well.

That's why there was such an outcry from the elites about Kashoggi being killed, as he was likely a CIA asset being used in color revolution efforts against the Saudis. Note that Biden and his handlers were talking all kinds of shit about MBS and Saudi Arabia in conjunction with that, until MBS met with Biden and told him, "Fuck off or I'll use the oil weapon to drive your economic dick into the dirt."

[DesigNate]

This does not surprise me.

[Agammamon]

>standard practice in animal husbandry). The internet ran with this and claimed Hannah is…a eugenicist.

Yes. Animal husbandry is eugenics. How is this controversial?

[Chumby]

Can two rams have a baby sheep? If ewe believe this to be true, a nanny state is in your future.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

Golf clap

[Idaho-Bob]

The internet thinks Israel is committing genocide, cow farts are destroying the planet, electric cars equal zero emissions, trans women ARE women, guns kill people, 81M people voted for Biden, etc.

[Dillinger]

cite?

[Longtobefree]

He gave the cite: the entire internet.

[Mother's Lament]

"Yes. Animal husbandry is eugenics. How is this controversial?"

Whether grain-crops, dairy-cattle or aquiculture, farming is eugenics and has been for the last 12,000 years.

That's why we don't do eugenics on people, because we don't farm our fellow man.

[(Impeach Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring]

Yet another Biden family member is in legal trouble for unpaid taxes. Seriously, what the fuck is it with these people? Is there a single one of them in the family that isn't a total reprobate?

And this time the Reason fugazis and their fat dipshit comment section spokesman can't say it's all about a penis, because to the best of my knowledge Ashley Biden doesn't actually have one.

[JesseAz]

She often had a penis in her shower... per her diary.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

OK so she left her diary laying around where anybody could find it. It's not like it was a laptop or anything.

[Dillinger]

speaking of animal husbandry ...

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

How dare we read her diary! She deserves her privacy. ---WaPo

If only her father felt the same way about her privacy.

[TJJ2000]

Thank you Texas for funding and doing what the incompetent "union of states" entire purpose for existing is. If the F'En Democratic executive morons worshiping globalist dictators in DC won't do their only F'Job I guess it's up to the people to find other ways of preventing a national invasion and globalist take-over.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Sounds like insurrection to me sir.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Multi-prong attack on Musk.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/multifront-attack-elon-musk

Elon Musk is the world’s richest man but also the number one target of the world’s richest governments and their associated industrialists. The reason traces entirely to his independence of mind and the actions that follow from that.

In times of censorship, he bought and now protects a free-speech platform, the only one remaining with any real reach into the public mind. Countless millions of people are deeply grateful, even if the platform is a long way from profitability.

In the latest assault, the European Union’s Digital commissioner Thierry Breton has posted on X (formerly Twitter) that he believes Elon has infringed on the EU’s rules.

It’s rich to have Breton go after Elon for a lack of transparency when the whole point of the EU’s regime is to force a lack of transparency. Adding to the irony, Breton knew that Musk would not censor the note on the world’s largest platform for free speech. He is thereby deploying the use of freedom in opposition to its existence.

And before we sniff at the censorial Europeans and their intolerance toward free speech, consider that the same thing – or some version of it – is happening to Elon in the US. After March 2020, there was a concerted effort led by deep-state actors to gain full control of social media to squelch any dissent. It affected every platform, including Twitter. Amazon and all app stores even banned Parler because it was becoming too popular.

Since he took over, he has faced a barrage of state-generated attacks.

* The SEC has sued Musk over the purchase of the platform.

* The FTC has demanded internal X documents.

* The Biden Department of Justice has sued SpaceX…get this…for not hiring refugees for secret rocket technology.

* The Biden Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have sued Tesla over improper perks.

* The Biden Department of Justice has opened a criminal investigation against Tesla over self-driving cars.

* There is a federal investigation of Neuralink.

* Then there is the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission investigation over harassment at Tesla.

* Finally, we have the aggressive advertising boycott on the part of major corporations, including Disney, CNBC, Comcast, Warner Bros, IBM, and the Financial Times, among many others.

That is fully nine direct lines of attack, but probably the company and Elon could list another several dozen such cases like this once you consider all levels of government everywhere Musk’s companies are operating.

And yes, it all sounds like something straight out of a novel by Ayn Rand. The successful and innovative entrepreneur is attacked on all sides by institutions and people who live off the system rather than innovate around and beyond it.

We truly do live in a new age of envy, powered by states and their industrial allies more wedded to their own profitability lines and plans rather than what the people want and what great entrepreneurs can create.

[Mother's Lament]

It's called fascism and it actually is fascism.
People need to stop being afraid to label fascist actions as "fascism" just because the label was weaponized and misapplied for so long by the establishment "left".

[JesseAz]

Cue ignorance from shrike and sarc about fascism being right wing.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Adolf Hitler killed communists, therefore he was right-wing.
QED."

-sarcasmic

[JesseAz]

Actual quote.

sarcasmic 7 days ago
Flag Comment Mute User
That explains why Hitler sent communists to the camps.

[sarcasmic]

That whooshing noise what my point that the right-left paradigm is shit because both the right and the left claim the other has Hitler as their mascot.

[JesseAz]

No. That whooshing sounds is the wind between your ears from lack of a brain.

Socialists and communists fight all the time. Even see it with antifa and other left groups. It is about supremacy of the power structure. It has happened with every authoritarian leftist group.

The fact that you've been given the policy documents of Germany and Italy, given their quotes and statements, and you still prefer pushing the ignorant leftist respin of history is amazing.

You are intentionally ignorant. Your intelligence and knowledge is standard repetition of whatever the primary narrative is (usually from the left) with no interest in educating yourself to foment an opinion.

[sarcasmic]

Again I can't tell what your argument is, since you spend so much time telling me what I think and then arguing against it.

[JesseAz]

My argument is you are ignorant and lazy so will repeat narratives as your knowledge source, often defending the left in the process dummy.

In the example provided you were defending shrike being incorrect on Italian fascism and German fascism as being right wing. Despite given quotes and policy citations from both governments as being socialist.

[sarcasmic]

I never said anything was correct or incorrect. As always I can't tell if you're stupid or a liar.

[JesseAz]

Sarc. You truly are a pathalogical retard. I'll give you the link tomorrow. You won't learn from it though.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Hell, communists and communists fight all the time. Just ask Trotsky.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Ask, or ax?

[DesigNate]

I would argue only one of them is actually correct…and it’s not the left.

[sarcasmic]

I don't think Godwin's Law is partisan.

[Mother's Lament]

How is it not fascism in the real sense, Sarc?

[sarcasmic]

I didn't say it was or it wasn't. I'm just saying that the use of the term is unproductive, even if used correctly, because of the "hurr durr yer hiter" connotation.

[JesseAz]

State control of corporations is literally Italian fascism retard. You dont like the word because it describes what you defend.

[sarcasmic]

Then argue why state control of corporations is a bad idea, instead of calling anyone you can associate with it a fascist. You never argue against ideas. Just people.

[JesseAz]

So don't use words accurately. That's your argument? Lol.

God damn.

Give a validly backed and researched idea. What fucking idea have you discussed today other than "dont use words accurately?"

[sarcasmic]

At best the use of the word fascist can turn into a debate about what the word means. At worst (or best depending on if you're an asshole or not) the other person takes offense at the perceived comparison to a mass murderer and decides you're an asshole.

[JesseAz]

Fascism literally describes a system of government retard. Just because you dont understand the word doesn't mean others don't.

[sarcasmic]

It's an economic system as well, just like socialism. Which make having conversations even with civil people (that excludes you of course) difficult because one could be thinking government and the other economics, and they talk past each other.

[JesseAz]

You really are dumb and ignorant aren't you. The economy and government issue is literally joined at the fucking hip.

Please. I beg you. Educate yourself.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Just mute the fucktard already. You're never going to fix him and he thrives on the attention.

[tracerv]

^^^
x 100000000000.

[R Mac]

Or those of us that aren’t ignorant can use it correctly and you can cry about it.

[sarcasmic]

When you can, let me know. I won't hold my breath.

[R Mac]

The OP of the thread you’re shitting up is a good example of it, just as ML said.

[sarcasmic]

The only shitting I see happening is by those who like to throw around terms for the purpose of getting a reaction as opposed to having an actual conversation.

[R Mac]

We’re using the term because it applies. By all means , keep crying that you don’t know what it means though.

[DesigNate]

I really don’t get your line of reasoning sarc. Using the word appropriately and definitionally correct isn’t “throwing” the term around.

Personally I would argue that we’ve been at least semi-fascist since FDR.

[JesseAz]

Projection exemplified as he proves yet again he doesn't understand what the fuck he is talking about.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Godwin applies to Hitler and Nazis, not fascists, of which there were many varieties from Italian (original) to Argentinian to Portuguese.

[sarcasmic]

Very few people give a shit. Most just associate fascists with Hitler and react accordingly. There's no point in bringing it up except to end a conversation.

[JesseAz]

And the summation of sarcs entire existence. He doesn't give enough of a shit to educate himself, but he definitely has an opinion.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

So we need to add Godwin's Law to the ever-expanding list of terms you don't understand? Got it.

“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1."

Hitler and Nazis, dude, not just fascists.

[sarcasmic]

Nothing in my post said "this is what I think fascism means." So are you lying about what I do and don't understand, or are you too stupid to understand what "Very few..." and "Most..." mean?

I don't think you're stupid.

[sarcasmic]

Aaaand edit still doesn't work.

[sarcasmic]

If you play word association with the average person and yell out "Fascist!" they're probably not going to say Mussolini.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

How about Salazar? Horthy? or even fascist-lite, Peron? Vargas?

[JesseAz]

If they tied it to Germany it wouldn't make a difference retard.

[Truthfulness]

Take the L, sarc.

[R Mac]

WHY WON’T EVERYONE HERE BE AS IGNORANT AS ME!!???!

[sarcasmic]

Why are you so stupid that you can't tell the difference between saying how most people react to the term fascist and what I actually think the word means?

[R Mac]

All I see is you crying about it being accurately applied to your precious democrats.

[Don't look at me!]

Imagine hands on running multiple multibillion dollar companies and having to put up with this shit at the same time.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

I'd rather not, thanks.

[Jerry B.]

“Finally, we have the aggressive advertising boycott on the part of major corporations, including Disney, CNBC, Comcast, Warner Bros, IBM, and the Financial Times, among many others.”

Wonder if these corporations are getting, “Sure is a nice business you got there. Be a shame if several government agencies decided to investigate you. Maybe staying away from X would make that problem go away.”

It worked against banks and insurance companies doing business with the NRA in New York.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

It would be difficult to overstate the positive impact Musk has had on liberty. And the regime is terrified. He is probably a bigger threat than Trump and they will stop at nothing to destroy both.

[R Mac]

He’s by far a bigger threat than Trump long term at this point. Trump might get a few scalps if he wins, but in four years they’ll be back to business as usual.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

What makes him dangerous to the regime is that he's all they got when it comes to putting their surveillance assets into space. If he hadn't developed that capability, he'd have been deplatformed, his assets seized, and his businesses sold for spare parts months ago.

Soros can get away with manipulating currency and influencing local elections that lead to crime spikes, but only Orban had the balls to actually deperson the guy and kick him out of his own home country. And if the EU spergs out on him, he can go right over to Russia and Cold War 2 kicks off immediately.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I said waaaaay back when EU officials started talking like commie scumbag commisars that Musk should have obliged them and immediately snuffed their Twitter accounts. After all, they don't want to be associated with a platform that spreads misinformation, do they?

Regardless, the EU countries (as well as the rest of the FVEY nations) are increasingly showing that they aren't any better than Russia or China as far as actually serving the best interest of their citizens. It's why these people are so obsessed with shutting down wrongthink in the service of their dumb historic determinism.

If "democracy" means living under people like this, might as well bring back real, actual monarchy. Heinlein might have had a point, but I don't think he anticipated the military being captured by these same decadents. No wonder the Taliban kicked their ass.

[Jerry B.]

“Scenes from New York: Protesters are defacing New York and shutting down major transit hubs including, last night, both Penn Station and Grand Central Station. They're also using some, uh, choice words…”

Offer the recent migrants expedited green card status if they beat the shit out of these folks. The city can say, “Oh, we can’t arrest these people escaping dictatorships. They’ve suffered enough.”

[Dillinger]

como dice deputized?

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

"Diputado"

[Agammamon]

> Making that action a state crime will most likely result in a legal showdown between Texas and the federal government.

In the sense that the USSC will have to rule if states have the authority to make that illegal - but not like when Arizona decided to enforce federal immigration laws and the federal government said states couldn't enforce federal laws.

In this case, its a separate state law making this an enforceable crime. States can enforce state crimes, so the only question would be - could states make this illegal.

And since states could also make *drugs* illegal - and the federal government was fine and dandy with coercing them into doing so - I'm going to give my uneducated legal opinion here that yes, Texas can do this.

I make no statement about whether or not they *should*, I just think its within state authority nowadays to do so.

[windycityattorney]

The federal government doesn't have a general police power (although they have certainly granted themselves one via the commerce clause) which the State's do.

The question would be does the federal government have exclusive power to enforce immigration laws? In other words, would federal immigration laws preempt Texas' law covering the same field? The argument is stronger for immigration than it is for general drug laws etc...

[Agammamon]

That was the issue with the Arizona case and it was resolved - yes, the federal government has exclusive police powers over federal immigration laws.

This is different. This is a *state* immigration law. Can the states make an immigration law?

[Jerry B.]

Apparently, the states can make drug laws that don't conform to Federal drug laws. Why not immigration?

[Longtobefree]

Somehow, I keep getting mental images of the 101st airborne (just the white ones) in Little Rock.

[Mother's Lament]

"Interestingly, some border sheriffs oppose the new legislation due to fears that the court system will become overwhelmed by the sheer number of arrests. "In just one section of the 1,254-mile Texas border with Mexico" near Eagle Pass, roughly 150 miles west of San Antonio, "federal agents encountered 38,000 migrants in October," reports The New York Times."

Yeah, the court system. That's the concern. Not emergency services, and hospitals, and food banks, and housing.

Also, as soon as they learn the Texas border is out, won't the 38,000 a month just start going through New Mexico and Arizona instead? Problem solved.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Yay.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Harrison Bergeron is not just fiction.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-teachers-union-kills-excelling-schools-to-force-students-into-dysfunction/

Chicago Public Schools leadership and the Chicago Teachers Union are making yet another play to eliminate school choice for Chicago parents by eliminating selective enrollment schools, including 11 selective enrollment high schools.

Members on the Chicago Board of Education, appointed by former-CTU organizer Mayor Brandon Johnson, approved a resolution which would transition CPS away from “privatization and admissions/enrollment policies” that allow students options to enroll in public selective enrollment schools, among others.

Yet the change in policy threatens to take away the current schooling option of nearly 10,000 minority high school students and over 7,500 low-income high school students who currently attend a selective enrollment high school in Chicago.

CTU and its allies already killed the Invest in Kids Act, Illinois’ only private school choice program for low-income students, this fall. But eliminating scholarships for nearly 10,000 low-income Illinois students wasn’t enough for CTU leadership.

Now it wants to take away the opportunity for parents and students to choose selective enrollment public high schools. They provide “academically advanced high school students with a challenging and enriched college preparatory experience.”

The proposal would strip minority and low-income students of their preferred high schools.

On average, more than half of the students enrolled in the 11 high schools come from low-income families and nearly 70% are Black or Hispanic.

Students at these schools reach academic proficiency at higher rates than CPS students districtwide. Nine of the 11 selective enrollment high schools have a higher percentage of their 11th grade students scoring proficient in reading and math on the SAT compared to the CPS district-wide percentage.

In their resolution, the Chicago Board of Education emphasized the plan’s goal was to “ensure equitable funding and resources across schools.” The implication is schools utilizing specific admissions policies have furthered inequities, especially funding disparities, for minority students in CPS.

Yet nine of the 11 selective enrollment high schools in CPS spend less per pupil on operating expenses compared to the district average and produced higher proficiency compared to the CPS average. Spending less and getting more made them a target for CTU.

Eliminating parental options is CTU leadership’s agenda. They’ve already killed the Invest in Kids program and taken away scholarships from nearly 10,000 low-income kids. Taking away schooling options from thousands of minority and low-income students at selective enrollment Chicago schools is next on the agenda.

And it once more confirms CTU’s leadership isn’t about students: it’s about power.

[I, Woodchipper]

Once nobody is special, then everybody will be special.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I keep thinking that someday the people of Chicago, most of whom do not vote, will wake up and realize how badly they're getting screwed by the racketeers that rule them. Then I have to tell myself, forget about it Jake. It's Chicago.

[Chumby]

Varus, give me back my borders.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

The brazenness of the new elites.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/19/the-senate-sex-tape-reveals-the-brazenness-of-the-new-elites/

As beleaguered Americans limp into Christmas, even though there are only a few days left in the calendar this year, there’s still plenty of time for idiot ‘progressives’ to bring disgrace upon themselves and the venerable institutions they work for.

Take the young man who suddenly found himself unemployed last week, after a sex tape he made with another man on a desk in the United States senate was widely shared on the internet. Aidan Maese-Czeropski, an aide to Maryland Democratic senator Ben Cardin, starred in a video that featured him wearing only a jockstrap. He can be seen bent over a desk where the most important work of the republic is conducted – such as the nominations for Supreme Court judges – as another man is filming him (and doing something else to him) from behind.

To say his behaviour is brazen would be an understatement. When the video emerged, Maese-Czeropski made no apology. He posted a statement on LinkedIn claiming that he had been ‘attacked for who I love’ and ‘will be exploring what legal options are available to me’.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m no blushing violet. I’m sure throughout the years a few people have acted out private fantasies in that august hall when no one was looking. I’m old enough to remember something about a cigar and a blue dress in the Oval Office in the 1990s. Hell, the elected officials who work in the Capitol have been openly fucking ordinary Americans there for years – and it’s all been broadcast on CSPAN.

It is hard not to see this as an outgrowth of a cultural revolution. Americans who still hold traditional values are demonised on a continuous basis, singled out as ‘domestic terrorists’ by the nation’s federal law-enforcement apparatus and its handmaidens in the media. Meanwhile, those who work for the blue establishment act as though the rules don’t apply to them, especially if they can claim to be part of a victim class.

You won’t be surprised to learn that Maese-Czeropski has stellar progressive bona fides. Before he worked in the senate, he was a ‘climate and energy fellow’ at environmental charity Friends of the Earth. Before that, he was a field organiser for the Virginia Democratic Party. He even made a cameo appearance in a video in 2020, in which then newly elected Joe Biden thanks his volunteers.

Judging from Maese-Czeropski’s largely unrepentant LinkedIn statement, it seems like his credentials have rendered this young man tone-deaf. ‘I love my job and would never disrespect my workplace’, he wrote, days after being filmed grossly disrespecting his workplace.

[Commenter_XY]

Aidan Maese-Czeropski is a symptom; DC is irredeemable (in the parlance).

[Mother's Lament]

When are we just going to rename it "Panem Capitol" and be done with it?

[tracerv]

Might as well with Jill Biden's Christmas video.

[Chumby]

Perhaps AMC believed that the German national’s diplomatic immunity protected them against the spread or monkeypox.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Daily Fail reported an early Christmas present:

A judge has ruled to unseal documents that would name 177 Does who are Epstein's friends, recruiters and victims within the coming weeks. The material is related to a defamation case brought by Prince Andrew's accuser Virginia Roberts in New York against Epstein's madam Ghislaine Maxwell. The hundreds of files will shed new light on the late financier's sex trafficking operation and his network of influence.

I'm honestly shocked the judge chose to do this. Either the listed names are a bunch of nobodies and it won't actually harm the elites, or Judge Preska was so horrified by the whole thing she told Maxwell's lawyers, "Fuck you, this list is getting released."

Should make for some juicy reporting once it happens.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

I'm hoping the latter. This should be fun when it hits the fan. Got popcorn?

[Don't look at me!]

Prepare to be disappointed.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Yeah. Nothing else will happen.

[Chumby]

What are the chances this judge has an accidental fall down a flight of stairs prior to those names being made public?

[Don't look at me!]

Or gets “mugged”.

[Idaho-Bob]

You beat me to it.

Judge Preska is toast.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I'd say the chances are at least 95% that one of Hillary's thugs will visit her office to warn her off about it, and she'll stay the order at the last minute.

[Medulla Oblongata]

Commits suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head...twice.

[R Mac]

Judge Preska didn’t kill himself.

[a.heroic.dose]

Will Reason at least acknowledge that almost 19,000 Palestinians have been killed in the last couple of months? Or that 5 million Palestinians are currently living under a military occupation that started in 1967? No, they won't, because Palestinians are the new nigger, to be abused and dispossessed and disenfranchised on a whim, this time because their land was promised to another in a book.

Fuck Reason for turning a blind eye to genocide. The rest of us aren't blind to it, hence all the protests, within Israel and without.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Strange genocide there, Klaus Barbie, when one side openly states they want "from the river to the sea", and the other has Arab Muslims living peacefully with full rights inside its borders.

[Don't look at me!]

Fuck around and find out.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

hence all the protests

Go protest in Israel then. Biden is no Dubya. The US is not in that war.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Biden is no Dubya"

Refresh my memory; did Biden vote for the Iraq invasion or no?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Of course he voted for it. Cheney and Dumbya co-opted the CIA and lied about WMD, aluminum tubes, yellowcake and all sorts of other made-up bullshit.

Technically they voted to "authorize force" but you go ahead with your fictitious narrative. The Bushpigs were the worst administration in US history.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

“Biden is no Dubya” is the fictitious narrative being propounded here.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
- Bill Clinton, State of the Union, 1998

This and many other statements by Democrats predate the Bush administration.

Perhaps he was co-opting the CIA as TX governor?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

And Clinton took out an aspirin factory in Iraq.

Dumby went in and spent $3 trillion on an occupation that cost us 4500 soldiers.

Most people see a big difference.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

The Clinton quote was posted as refutation of this bullshit from you:

"Cheney and Dumbya co-opted the CIA and lied about WMD, aluminum tubes, yellowcake and all sorts of other made-up bullshit."

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

I wanted to ask SPB1 the same questions, but he stopped posting here for some reason.

[Sevo]

turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[Don't look at me!]

Poor joe was tricked!

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Those bastards Bush and Cheney were so crafty! They even tricked Joe into the nation-building aspect of the wars.

"History is going to judge us very harshly, I believe, if we allow the hope of a liberated Afghanistan to evaporate because we are fearful of the phrase ‘nation-building”
-Biden in Feb 2002

“Biden is no Dubya”
-SPB2 in Dec 2023

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Bush/Cheney got us into two worthless lost ground wars - Afghan and Iraq.

Sleepy Joe pulled us out of one.

Net Gain for Joe +3.

Cry all you want. The score is the score.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

I'm still interested in this part of your argument:

“Cheney and Dumbya co-opted the CIA and lied about WMD, aluminum tubes, yellowcake and all sorts of other made-up bullshit.”

When did their co-opting of the CIA begin? Before, during, or after the Clinton Administration?

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Bush/Cheney got us into two worthless lost ground wars – Afghan and Iraq."

Which couldn't have been done without the votes of many democrats, as catalogued by others here. You stated that this only occurred due to lying by bush and cheney. There has been a lot of counter-evidence presented here. What do you make of that?

Or are you actually just here to bullshit, and promote leftist narratives?

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Sleepy Joe pulled us out of one."

Since he pulled us out of one that he himself voted for (and participated in during his 8 years as VP), how does that affect his score? Doesn't it net out to zero?

Follow up question... Since we droned Zawahiri in Afghanistan the next year, does it still count as a war Joe pulled us out of?

[JesseAz]

Joe also delayed the pull out for political purposes then botched the hell out of it. Afterwards he claimed trump forced the pull put.

[Sevo]

turd, the TDS-addled ass clown of the commentariat lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Even FactCheck.org says he's a warmonger.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/bidens-record-on-iraq-war/

As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee when the authorization vote was cast, Biden was at the forefront of the debate about what course to pursue with Iraq. As a result, he was also frequently quoted in the press and spoke numerous times from the Senate floor, providing ample evidence of his position over time.

But Biden never outright opposed military action in Iraq in the immediate days after the start of the invasion, as he claimed.

In a speech days before the 2002 vote, Bush did say approving the resolution “does not mean that military action is imminent or unavoidable,” but he also laid out in detail why military action “may” be needed. And on the day the war broke out, Biden acknowledged, “We voted to give him the authority to wage that war. We should step back and be supportive.”

The day the war commenced, Biden told CNN: “There’s a lot of us who voted for giving the president the authority to take down Saddam Hussein if he didn’t disarm. And there are those who believe, at the end of the day, even though it wasn’t handled all that well, we still have to take him down.”

Three days later, just prior to the vote to authorize military force, Biden gave a lengthy speech from the floor of the Senate and explained why he would vote for the resolution (beginning on S10290).

Biden said he viewed the resolution not as a “rush to war,” as some of his Democratic colleagues alleged, but rather a “march to peace and security.”

Biden praised Bush for choosing, up to that point, “a course of moderation and deliberation” and noted that Bush promised that any military action would be “with allies at our side.” Biden said the resolution emphasized “the importance of international support, manifested through the United Nations Security Council.”

Though Biden pushed forcefully for a wider international response, he was not opposed to military action, if necessary.

In an interview hours after Powell’s speech, Biden appeared on CNN and was asked, “Did Secretary of State Powell today close the deal in your mind to those who at least have an open mind about the situation in Iraq?”

“Absolutely,” Biden said. “He made a compelling case. The predominance of the evidence, the pure weight of the evidence, I think anyone. … Let me put it this way, if I were back practicing law I can’t imagine I could not convince an open-minded jury of the facts that he presented as having been true.”

“I all along, Charlie, believed the right decision is to separate him from his weapons and/or separate him from power,” Biden said.

“If the U.N. didn’t do it, do it?” Rose interjected.

“Yes, you’ve gotta do it,” Biden said. “Now, it’s not the time to argue it, but I am disturbed at the lost opportunities we had to bring the rest of the world along with us to this point. … And now the question is … can you make lemonade out of lemons here? And I think we have an opportunity in the aftermath of this war to repair those kinds of breaches and end up where we should be anyway, which is having made the right decision to take him down, and having not fractured in any permanent way alliances and opportunities that we’re going to need available to us, Charlie, to deal with other major problems facing us in the world, from the Korean peninsula to South Asia, to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

Biden continued to make similar comments in the months after the war started.

So how is Biden not a "Bushpig", Pluggo?

[JesseAz]

Fact check is right wing unlike neutral media matters.

[Medulla Oblongata]

In February 1998, politicians debated the Clinton administration's plans to launch air attacks against Iraq in an effort to coerce Saddam Hussein into cooperating with U.N. weapons inspectors.

As the Washington Post noted at the time:

Foreign leaders and diplomats may be urging restraint on the Clinton administration in the showdown with Iraq, but a growing chorus at home is calling for stronger measures than the air attacks currently being planned, with the objective of bringing down President Saddam Hussein.
Prominent members of the foreign policy establishment and some leading members of Congress say they are convinced that air attacks aimed at coercing the Iraqis into cooperating with U.N. weapons inspectors would not succeed, and would result in too narrow a victory even if they did.

Instead, they argue, the United States should go beyond the objective of curtailing Iraqi weapons programs and adopt a far-reaching strategy aimed at replacing the Baghdad regime. Although they are far from consensus on what that strategy should be, a few openly advocate the possible use of U.S. ground forces, a much greater commitment than the options being pursued by the administration.

Many supporters of a more forceful strategy are conservative Republicans and longtime defense hard-liners, such as Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and former Pentagon official Richard L. Armitage. But they also include former representative Stephen J. Solarz (N.Y.), a liberal Democrat who with former Pentagon official Richard Perle is circulating a letter in Congress and foreign policy circles seeking bipartisan support for a more ambitious policy.

In addition to a crushing bombing campaign or the possibility of ground troops, some advocates of tougher measures are suggesting seeking Iraq's expulsion from the United Nations, indicting Saddam Hussein as a war criminal, or blockading the port of Basra to halt illicit oil exports — an action that would infuriate Iran, which shares the Shatt al Arab waterway with Iraq.

Such moves, if made unilaterally, would almost certainly draw the ire of most of the United States's U.N. partners and frame the crisis even more starkly as a conflict between Washington and Baghdad. But public opinion polls may indicate support for such a route. A Los Angeles Times poll published on Monday showed that by 68 percent to 24 percent, Americans favor airstrikes provided they are designed to remove Saddam Hussein from power, not just force him to accept the commands of the U.N. Security Council.1

That same article also reported a statement made by President Clinton the previous day (4 February 1998):

Yesterday, Clinton reiterated that he would prefer a "diplomatic solution" to the standoff with Iraq but added, "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." Clinton met with Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright, just back from a trip to Europe and several Arab countries to outline the U.S. position, and is to discuss Iraq with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who arrived in Washington yesterday.1

On 17 February 1998, President Clinton delivered a speech at the Pentagon. Excerpts from that speech include the following comments:

The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons.
Now, against that background, let us remember the past here. It is against that background that we have repeatedly and unambiguously made clear our preference for a diplomatic solution . . .

But to be a genuine solution, and not simply one that glosses over the remaining problem, a diplomatic solution must include or meet a clear, immutable, reasonable, simple standard.

Iraq must agree and soon, to free, full, unfettered access to these sites anywhere in the country. There can be no dilution or diminishment of the integrity of the inspection system that UNSCOM has put in place.

Now those terms are nothing more or less than the essence of what he agreed to at the end of the Gulf War. The Security Council, many times since, has reiterated this standard. If he accepts them, force will not be necessary. If he refuses or continues to evade his obligations through more tactics of delay and deception, he and he alone will be to blame for the consequences.

Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction.

And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal. And I think every one of you who's really worked on this for any length of time believes that, too. . . .

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. We want to seriously reduce his capacity to threaten his neighbors.

I am quite confident, from the briefing I have just received from our military leaders, that we can achieve the objective and secure our vital strategic interests.2

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I'm actually old enough to remember a lot of this and I'm always reminded that there were voices at the time calling bullshit on the whole fiasco. One of them was Scott Ritter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
who was a UN weapons inspector saying Saddam did not have viable WMDs. He was ultimately proven correct. He's a complicated guy and it's a complicated story but worth revisiting when reviewing the actions of Biden, Clinton, Bush et al. The truth was out there then and it's out there now. However inconvenient.

[Medulla Oblongata]

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

[Medulla Oblongata]

The Iraq War was a fully bi-partisan deal. Check out the House and Senate roll calls for the votes on the Iraq War. Pretty much every prominent Democrat voted in favor of the actions, including Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Harry Reid, and Joe Biden.

In the House, 82 (39.2%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.

Indeed, in the Senate Democrats could have stymied the whole thing if they had not gone over to the other side on the vote. It passed 77-23, but 29 (58%) of 50 Democratic senators voted for the resolution. If Democrats had voted as a bloc against the war, it would not have passed (i.e., resolution fails 48-52).

Senate Democrats voting for the resolution were:

Sens. Baucus (D-MT), Bayh (D-IN), Biden (D-DE), Breaux (D-LA), Cantwell (D-WA), Carnahan (D-MO), Carper (D-DE), Cleland (D-GA), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Dorgan (D-ND), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Hollings (D-SC), Johnson (D-SD), Kerry (D-MA), Kohl (D-WI), Landrieu (D-LA), Lieberman (D-CT), Lincoln (D-AR), Miller (D-GA), Nelson (D-FL), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Schumer (D-NY), and Torricelli (D-NJ).

But people like Plug want to argue that somehow Bush--widely believed to be too stupid to walk and chew gum at the same time--was a mastermind capable of convincing Democrats to RETROACTIVELY (as shown above) make them want to vote for "Bush's War".

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

And we like to ignore that all the people that worked for Dubya, created his foreign policy, are loyal Biden admin officials.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"Go protest in Israel then. Biden is no Dubya. The US is not in that war."

Did Bush involve us in the 2006 Israel / Lebanon war?

Why not?

[sarcasmic]

If Reason did then the commentariate would call them a bunch of leftists. In other words another Tuesday.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

Seriously?

[JesseAz]

Is there a pro left troll you won't ally yourself with?

[sarcasmic]

Did you ever stop beating your wife?

[JesseAz]

Answer the question. Trying to think of any and I can't.

[sarcasmic]

I'll take that as a no.

[JesseAz]

My wife hasn't ever been beaten nor left me. Can't say the same about your kid or wife.

Now answer the question.

[sarcasmic]

I don't accept that as an answer because you changed the premise. Now answer the question with the original premise. Did you stop?

[JesseAz]

I answered. Answer the fucking question. Name one left leaning poster you disagree with retard.

[sarcasmic]

No you did not. You didn't tell me when you stopped beating your wife. Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Sarc is trying to equate accusations about posting history (which can be backed with evidence) with the loaded question - have you stopped beating your wife.

Those two things aren't the same, sarc.

[R Mac]

In sarc’s defense, he’s very dumb.

[JesseAz]

I get what sarc is trying badly to do. Which is why I answered as I did. Note he can't name a single leftist poster he disagrees with.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

plug- check.
chemjeff - check.
heroic dope - check
luarsen - check

truman - ?
misek - ?

[JesseAz]

He defended misek for a fact.

Can't remember misconstrueman.

[Mother's Lament]

Woah! Did he really!?

[JesseAz]

Yeap.

https://reason.com/podcast/2023/12/06/jeff-kossef-why-false-speech-deserves-first-amendment-protections/?comments=true#comment-10345702

Technically seeing a fellow victim of the commentariat.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

And he wonders why you bookmark his comments.

[JesseAz]

Trying to help him with his alcohol induced amnesia.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

How many Palestinians have moved to Egypt?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

None, because the Egyptians don't want them. Most Arabs aren't stupid, they learned from the last 80 years how violent and entitled Palestinians are, no matter how much you might support their cause.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

I was hope for a response from a.heroic.dope

[Medulla Oblongata]

Beat me to it. Egypt closed their border crossing and actively keeps Gazans from entering Egypt.

[Commenter_XY]

Another heroic dose of daily bullshit.

The palestinians are 6-time losers of wars of aggression against Israel. The palestinians can go fuck themselves; they made their choice and chose to support Judeocidal terrorists. None of their arab muslim brothers want anything to do with them. Ever wonder why?

Know this: The palestinians will be scattered among Ishmael.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Funny that 'a.heroic.dose' found the one issue that the Trump Cultists and us classic liberals agree on.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

"us classic liberals"
-SPB

Another fictitious narrative.

[JesseAz]

Define classic liberal. Does your definition include calling Soros one, someone who funds censorship groups, regulatory groups, etc?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Open Society is the opposite of censorship, you moron.

An open society is a type of society characterized by a flexible structure, freedom of belief, and a wide dissemination of information. The concept is based on the recognition that people act on incomplete knowledge and that no one has absolute truth. Within an open society, change can occur without violent upheaval. The government in such societies operates in a transparent and accountable manner, upholding values of democracy, human rights, and the rule of law, which enables active participation from its citizens in decision-making processes. It respects diversity and individual rights, promotes social mobility, and advocates for free markets and trade.

Free markets, free trade, democracy, rule of law, rejection of dogma - all reasons the Trump Cult hates it.

[Sevo]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

You mean the same Open Society that supports censorship?

https://www.racket.news/p/report-on-the-censorship-industrial-74b

[JesseAz]

They literally fund pro censorship groups retard.

You'll be shocked to know NK isn't a republic.

[Sevo]

turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

[Idaho-Bob]

What's with surge of Palestinian shitposting?

Even the "How To" groups on IG are inundated with this shit.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

It's the latest cause du jour for the marxist crowd to try and advance the communist revolution.

The difficulty they are encountering is that a lot of the left-wing Jews that helped create this golem didn't expect it to turn on them, and so they're encountering a lot more resistance this time than they did during the Fentanyl Floyd riots, or any other instance where there's a clear left/right dichotomy.

[JesseAz]

They get paid to push narratives. This includes virtually all sites. People like Soros and other groups who try to foment strife have a good army.

[Super Scary]

The Ukraine situation was boring because it's just two groups of white people killing each other. Now, this Israel/Palestine stuff? People that look white versus brown people? Oh yeah, that's something people on social media can really sink their teeth into.

[Michael Ejercito]

https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.israel/c/9r3guA2dKjE/m/Yh8AssMiAQAJ

Oh, Hamas attacked the Jews,
And now they are learning bad news,
Many of Hamas are dead,
And their women like to give dirty head,
Oh, what can I say about Hamas,
Satan the devil is their boss,
I really don’t know what to say,
Many in Hamas are gay,
They attacked Kibbutz Aza with their might,
Now they a learning the Jews know how to fight.
Hamas murdered little children that they hate,
Hamas has a big fat puss gut woman for a mate.
Soon Hamas will be all done,
As Tzhal kills each and every one.

[damikesc]

Kinda weird to see population growth during a genocide.

Hey, any ideas why no other country in that region wants a damned thing to do with those barbaric assholes?

[Sevo]

"Will Reason at least acknowledge that almost 19,000 Palestinians have been killed in the last couple of months?..."

Will you at least stuff your antisemitism up your ass? Your head want's some company.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Will you at least acknowledge that all those Palestinian deaths are because Hamas uses them as human shields and because Hamas keeps them in squalor and dependence on global welfare and that the Zionist Movement was Secular and didn't rely on that book of which you speak?

Now go take your heroic dose of either brain supplements or Warfarin!

[Truthfulness]

The Zionist movement wasn't entirely secular. Many religious Jews were part of the movement.

[Agammamon]

Reason has done that already.

Oh, and the Palestinians weren't living under a military occupation - Israel pulled out of the Gaza strip in 2005 - even removing Israeli settlements - and the Gazan's elected Hamas to run the place.

How many rockets have the Gazans fired into Israel in the last 20 years.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

The only genocide where the population increese year after year

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

I have faith that the Jews are smart enough to do the job if they decide they really want to.

[A Cynical Asshole]

It's almost like Biden aides and the journalist class are in favor of him getting reelected, yet most of the general population isn't.

Surely you're not implying that journalists are anything but fair and objective?

[Chumby]

She’s previously taken shots at the Newsies

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Trump urges primary challenge against key DeSantis backer Chip Roy

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4367338-trump-urges-primary-challenge-against-chip-roy/

Hilarious. Fatass is gunning for a Republican known as a he-man authentic conservative.

If you don't kiss Fatass Donnie's ring he wants his retribution.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

“I stand with @chiproytx,” Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, with a screenshot of Trump’s message. “He fights for what he believes and he’s one of the most conservative members of Congress. I can tell you with certainty that this shortsighted effort to intimidate Chip will not work.”

Fatass is all about Fatass.

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[Commenter_XY]

SPB2...What explains POTUS Trump's popularity?

Look, I don't think that 70MM+ people in the US suffer from mass psychosis. Do you? So once you get past that foundational question, what explains what we are seeing wrt POTUS Trump and the 2024 election?

What do you think?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

SPB2…What explains POTUS Trump’s popularity?

Are you serious? People despise Fatass Donnie. He is at about 37% approval.

He is only "popular" compared to a senile old geezer who is at about 34% approval.

Americans hate them both.

[Chumby]

Why is there a 2 at the end of your name?

[sarcasmic]

It would be a lot more honest if instead of counting what percentage of votes a candidate won, rather what percentage of eligible voters. If two thirds of eligible voters show up, and it's a close race, then the winner wins with a third of the possible votes. That's it. If the winner wins with a third, then why can't a third party win? Just needs to get the attention of people who refuse to choose between the Giant Douche and the Turd Sandwich.

[Don't look at me!]

Hasn’t happened yet, but there is always hope!
Oh wait, you don’t vote, so that may be part of the problem.

[sarcasmic]

Statistically my vote doesn't matter. Neither does yours. If you don't understand this then you love to gamble or you're mentally deficient. And I've never seen you say anything about gambling.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

Mr. Sarc; Logician Extraordinaire?

Is "If you don’t understand this then you love to gamble or you’re mentally deficient" an example of a false alternative?

[Don't look at me!]

LOL @ your world view.

[MWAocdoc]

The reason a third party candidate cannot win is because the two-party election system prevents it. Independent candidates for President almost never win because they don't have the unified grass-roots support of an organization built from the ground up based on a common purpose. In order to achieve broad support, a third party has to represent a major shift in The People away from the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. Although The People are certainly shifting AWAY from the bipartisans, they are NOT shifting towards a unified alternative but remaining splintered ideologically..

[Medulla Oblongata]

One thing about an election between the Giant Douche and the Turd Sandwich. At the end of the day the giant douche might find a purpose, if nothing else by hosing out a swampy vag. There is nothing at all positive about a shit sandwidch.

[sarcasmic]

Who said the Giant Douche was fresh?

[InsaneTrollLogic]

No less fresh than some comments around here.

[JesseAz]

He is at 42% per 538. Youre confused with Bidens numbers.

[damikesc]

Then why is he leading the nomination race?

You know, being hated and all.

[sarcasmic]

Thirty-something percent approval means sixty-something percent disapproval. For both. I don't think that's something for either team to brag about.

[JesseAz]

I literally just told you where trump is per 538. Information doesn't matter to you. Protecting your ally shrike does.

[sarcasmic]

You lie so much that I tend to just skip your comments.

[Bertram Guilfoyle]

I thought you just muted posters like him? Or do I have you confused with someone else?

[sarcasmic]

Because mute is permanent and people never change their minds.

I took him off mute so I can occasionally defend myself when he tells real whoppers about me, though it really doesn't matter since only retards like you and Dlam care.

[JesseAz]

Mute is not permanent.

And agreed. You never change your mind even when inundated with information.

[Medulla Oblongata]

One of the things that ticks me off is the intentional misuse of language.

An example of this came out recently from Oregon, where I was surprised to learn that "Permanent means indefinite. It doesn’t necessarily mean permanent".

The Oregon Health Authority (OHA) assembled a Rules Advisory Committee (RAC) earlier this week to address a permanent indoor mask mandate in the state. Oregon is one of a few states that still retain one nearly two years into the pandemic.

Dr. Paul Cieslak, the medical director for communicable diseases and immunizations with OHA, explained to KATU that..."Permanent means indefinite. It doesn’t necessarily mean permanent," Cieslak said. "We can repeal it as well, but we are only allowed to have a temporary rule for 180 days, and anything that goes beyond 180 days, we cannot extend it."

[sarcasmic]

I'd fucking leave the state. Seriously.

[JesseAz]

Cmon Maines best programmer. I told you the site. Takes 3s to Google.

The truth is you're not interested in facts.

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

Real Clear approval rating average among all polls:

Biden 39.2%
Donnie 40.1%

538 is a "liberal" site - so why did you use it?

[Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2]

https://www1.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

[Sevo]

turd lies. That's not a surprise to anyone who reads his constant stream of bullshit.
But it's becoming obvious that as Misek is too stupid to understand the concepts of "evidence" or "relevance", the concept of "honesty" is simply beyond turd's ken.

[JesseAz]

Because you demand unbiased sites. Even your rcp site says over 40. Weird.

[Sevo]

Well, turd lies. It's what turd does.

[Commenter_XY]

That explanation was a total cop-out.

[Sevo]

turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.

[Jerry B.]

In the middle of reading the border story, a video popped up of some DNR officers releasing wolves into the wild. Seems like a natural way to reduce overpopulation. Unfortunately it was in Colorado, not along the Texas border.

[Chumby]

Wolves do predate on the local coyote population.

[Dillinger]

I got coyotes on my front walkway in Dallas like they live @Casa Dillinger.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I've seen some morons claim that those wolves aren't going to cross the Continental Divide into the rest of Rocky Mountain National Park for several generations. It's like, bitch, a pack of wolves is not going to be deterred by that kind of geography. If there's a pass, they'll find their way through it, especially in the summer time.

Fortunately, wolves tend to leave people alone because decades of being hunted taught them that getting in a scrap with a human tends to result in death. It's really the ranchers who are going to see most of the impact from this.

[mad.casual]

It’s like, bitch, a pack of wolves is not going to be deterred by that kind of geography. If there’s a pass, they’ll find their way through it, especially in the summer time.

They're fucking persistence hunters! If the ungulates can make the journey the wolves are exceptional, aside from humans, in that they can chase the ungulates further than the ungulates could flee.

[mad.casual]

"Dozens of container ships bringing manufactured goods from Asia to Europe are setting off on arduous detours around Africa—snarling trade and delaying cargo deliveries—after a wave of attacks by Houthi militants on the merchant fleet in the Red Sea," reports Bloomberg.

Fucking Jones Act, man, I tell ya. If it weren't for that, these ships could sail across the Pacific, port on the East Coast of the US, sail through the Canal, port on the West Coast of the US or HI, and then sail on to their destination in Asia.

[Don't look at me!]

Seems like a strange route.

[TheReEncogitationer]

From a strange itenerary planner.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

It's those Google Earth directions, man.

[mad.casual]

Right. Kinda like buying boats from Europe or China and staffing them with S. Asians specifically to move goods between US ports or from the mainland US in order to make PR or HI wealthier.

[MWAocdoc]

I have to keep reminding myself that common sense is not actually all that common. Almost every item in this column today illustrates one or more aspects of the lack of sense demonstrated by the human race most of the time. You might be from Deep East Texas if there's an umbrella in the gun rack in your pickup truck!

[Dillinger]

>>Hannah ... had an accident where the youngest of her seven kids got bloodied up by a rooster on the family farm

there are no accidents only negligence.

[Dillinger]

>>It's almost like Biden aides and the journalist class are in favor of him getting reelected, yet most of the general population isn't.

jornolist class 🙂

[Dillinger]

>>(There is only one correct take on this, and it comes from Ben Dreyfuss.)

long been a proponent of mdma and world peace going hand-in-hand but also have been micro-dosing shrooms lately and I swear I've never been calmer during or next-day

[mad.casual]

Every important new technology is initially described as "dystopian Pandora's box nightmare that will destroy life as we know it," and then 20 years later as "a basic human right that should be free to all," and often by the same people

^ Ignores the "This technology will revolutionize life as we know it, everyone, even non-adopters will be left behind."/"The tool that didn't exist 10 yrs. ago and is ubiquitous today despite being moderately more convenient than a potato peeler isn't a human right." half (two quarters?) of the equation.

[Don't look at me!]

In the future, all predictions will be correct.

[mad.casual]

And "Section 230 is the 1A of the internet." will still be wrong.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Every new law is initially described as "dystopian Pandora's box nightmare that will destroy life as we know it," and then 20 years later as "a basic human right that should be free to all," and often by the same people.

[Dillinger]

>>a wave of attacks by Houthi militants

we may not be at war with Iran but Iran is at war with us.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

One of the most effective "political stunts" in my lifetime.

50 migrants were sent to a sanctuary political construct and it caused a "seismic shift" in DNC policy. Fifty. Five Zero.

Biden’s border negotiations mark seismic shift on immigration politics

WASHINGTON — On his first day in office, President Joe Biden sent a bill to Congress to “restore humanity and American values to our immigration system.” Nearly three years later, he is considering sweeping restrictions on migration in exchange for aid to Ukraine and Israel.

It is the latest sign of how drastically the politics of immigration have shifted in the United States, where polls suggest there is growing support, even inside the president’s own party, for border measures once denounced by Democrats and championed by former President Donald Trump.

But it is also a gamble for Biden, who risks walking away from some of the most deeply held principles of the Democratic Party and angering key parts of his core constituency, such as progressives and young voters.

“There’s no doubt there’s been a shift on this partly because of the influx of these migrants in these big cities,” said David Axelrod, a top adviser to former President Barack Obama. “There are limits to where he can and should go, but this is almost a gift to have, under the cover of this broad package, to be able to do things that were perhaps tougher to do before.”

The southern border is a political vulnerability for Biden, who has been unable to contain a record number of migrants heading north to escape gang violence, poverty and natural disasters. Republican-led states have shipped busloads of migrants to liberal bastions like Washington and New York to protest what they characterize as Biden’s failed policies.

As border crossings surge, the political center of gravity on the issue has moved sharply to the right. Polls by The New York Times and Siena College in battleground states found that voters preferred Trump over Biden on immigration by 12 points.

Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, a swing-state Democrat with left-leaning politics, said his position on restricting migration puts him out of step with the liberal wing of his party.

“I’m not a progressive,” Fetterman told NBC News.

To think that this "political stunt" of sending a one-day fractional rounding error number of migrants to a sanctuary political district has shifted the ENTIRE official Democratic narrative on immigration.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

"The southern border is a political vulnerability for Biden, who has been unable to contain a record number of migrants heading north to escape gang violence, poverty and natural disasters" What? I was told this was all about political asylum.

[Michael Ejercito]

I was told that school shootings and gang violence only happen in the United States of America. Why would they flee here?

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

You mean Martha's Vineyard?

I honestly think that the droves in NYC and Chicago are probably a larger impact.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

They're also using some, uh, choice words that I didn't realize progressives were keen on.

C'Mon, Liz, I know you're young, but you've been paying attention since 2012 at least, right?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Free speech is good. So is free movement along roads.

And yet, if congestion pricing is done right...

[Agammamon]

Also, Hannah is wrong about the rooster.

You don't need the rooster to get eggs, the rooster is there to protect the flock from predators when they're out of the coop/run and foraging.

Unless you know what you're doing, if you want new chicks, *order* them from a breeder. Otherwise most of yours are going to die, you're going to have 10 roosters in 2 years, and they're all going to become inbred without a fresh influx.

[mad.casual]

Do you have a cite for Hannah saying anything about any of that besides "You kill a violent rooster as punishment." (which is really more of an opinion than a disputable fact)? Because, without the cite, it seems like an awful lot of stuff that's only true in your head.

Her bio says, "Married to, @hogfathering Mothering 7 littles, shipping meat nationwide" which I take to mean she's married to someone who probably knows a thing or two about livestock husbandry and animal/meat production. Not to mention that, guessing from the bio facts, she has/they have been raising/selling for at least the better part of a decade, how far along are you in your chicken farm journey?

[mad.casual]

Er, it seems like an awful lot of stuff that’s only true or relevant in your head.

Maybe they knowingly go through 10 roosters in a 2 yrs. and see that as the price of having an authentic, crowing rooster outside the window of their farm house. Maybe they take extra roosters off the breeder's hands... maybe the breeder throws them in for free around Xmas time. Besides you and The Shadow (unless you're one and the same), who knows?

[Agammamon]

> so Hannah slaughtered the rooster and made an Instagram post about the importance of culling aggressive members of the flock (standard practice in animal husbandry).

The cite is the fucking article I just read. I'm responding to that.

[Agammamon]

And this excellent software dumps half the comment.

I've raised chickens for 5 years.

Roosters aren't given away by the breeders - they're culled at the sexing. No one wants them. If they're raising roosters its for 2 reasons

1. Fighting.

2. Capons.

[mad.casual]

Now it's not just mostly in your head and you're just plainly not making sense.

Hannah is wrong about the rooster. You don’t need the rooster to get eggs,
...
The cite is the fucking article I just read. I’m responding to that.

Nobody anywhere in this article besides your own head said you need roosters to get eggs. What was said was that culling aggressive animals from the herd is a standard part of animal husbandry and, whether that statement was made by one or two (or more) people, it's been true, and generally still is, since pigs were domesticated from wild boars, dogs were domesticated from wolves, and horses were domesticated but zebras were not. Even by your own assertions (assuming anyone can accurately read those tea leaves), you cull at sexing rather than later.

the rooster is there to protect the flock from predators when they’re out of the coop/run and foraging.
...
Roosters aren’t given away by the breeders – they’re culled at the sexing. No one wants them.

Are they culled at sexing because no one wants them (which raises another issue below) or do they actually serve a purpose for domesticated (thus coop) chickens?

If they’re raising roosters its for 2 reasons
1. Fighting.
2. Capons.

So, uh, the entire modern chicken population is maintained purely by immaculate conception or is there, in fact, a 3rd reason to have roosters?

[mad.casual]

I’ve raised chickens for 5 years.

Roosters aren’t given away by the breeders – they’re culled at the sexing.

And, in turn, I haven't been involved in raising chickens for close to 20 yrs. My brother, OTOH, has been involved in raising chickens since we were raising them on my parents' land.

And, as I'm sure you know and are either conveniently forgetting or maliciously ignoring, sexing baby chicks isn't a 100% accurate process and people (whether breeding them or raising them for eggs or other) can and do end up with sexually mature roosters, whether they wanted them or not, all the time.

Both places have/had a rooster around more than 70% of the time, whether accidentally or on purpose for any one of the half-dozen reasons that have been indicated here, no one, including you, can know.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

.

[Its_Not_Inevitable]

..

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Used to be I could get around the fact that Reason won't let me post links by posting and then editing, but now they've fucked up editing, too.

And apparently my attempted workaround didn't work either.

[Don't look at me!]

Looks like they did that to cut down on the spammers.

[Sevo]

Interesting! Not nearly as many 'I bought a BMW with the money I've earned from spamming idiots like sarc, jeff and turd...' recently.

[mad.casual]

Not definitive, but I disagree. I had several posts blocked by some manner of spam filter and noticed the same general decline in spam before the editing issue arose.

Possibly some progression where a post filter caught 80% (or whatever) of spam and then a separate update to get the other 20% kiboshed the edit button, but not strictly/directly 'spam or edit'.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Spammers always post more than one link.

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Nor any of the following five attempts. Fuck you, Reason. If I was posting about a job at Shop Rite it'd go right through.

[sarcasmic]

Republican lawmakers turn on Trump for saying migrants are 'poisoning the blood' of our country and quoting Putin
Trump used a phrase that appeared in Hilter's Mein Kampf when talking Saturday about how migrants are 'poisoning the blood' of US
Speaking at a rally in New Hampshire, Trump also quoted Vladimir Putin to defend himself against the 91 felony charges against him
Senate Republicans don't like Trump's characterization of migrants

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12881811/Republican-lawmakers-turn-Trump-saying-migrants-poisoning-blood-country-quoting-Putin.html

Let's see the usual suspects defend this one.

[sarcasmic]

C'mon guys? Who's going to defend Trump for using words Hitler used to describe Jews to describe migrants? It's JesseAz going to call me a liar because Trump didn't say it in the original German?

[Mike Parsons]

I mean cant we just cut out all the many middle men here?

Instead of MSNBC/CNN/NYT defending the absolute right both constitutionally and morally for anyone and everyone (especially brown people) to dehumanize jews, call for the displacement of jews, and in most cases, the actual murder of jews...then for them to have to make the mental gymnastic move of having to catch the vapors on the fainting couch when Trump says something that might maybe be similar to something Hitler said....

Maybe next time all these hypocrites can just stand by their sturdy principles of free speech and just go straight to defending Trump, who said something not even 1/1000000th as bad as the people they normally defend.

[Mike Parsons]

Also, can he never say anything that Hitler said?

Didn't Hitler call for more and better jobs for the German working class? So is that out?

Also, what if a bunch of people coming are either socialists or support ideology that is anti-capitalist or anti-American? Would it be a stretch to say someone like that is metaphorically poisoning the blood of the US?

Frankly I dont think this makes Trump's top 10

[sarcasmic]

Hitler’s slogan was to Make Germany Great Again, was it not?

[Truthfulness]

You failed history class, didn't you?

[Agammamon]

Why not. Are you not lying?

And why is it that Trump is getting shit on by you here - but anyone on the Democrat side, well, they need 'clear and precise definitions'?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

According to: ANWAAR-UL-HAQ KAKAR
INTERIM PRIME MINISTER OF PAKISTAN

Pakistan's migrant burden is far larger than Britain's - we have every right to do something about it
Over the last three to four decades, between four and five million migrants (roughly the population of Ireland) have arrived

[Nazi-Chipping Warlock]

Seems pretty reasonable to me. Particularly since by the numbers, we're taking more of a burden than they are. Hopefully they'll support us too.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Colorado Supreme Court Disqualifies Trump From 2024 Ballot, Setting Up Supreme Court Challenge
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/colorado-supreme-court-disqualifies-trump-2024-ballot-setting-supreme-court-appeal

[Vernon Depner]

It's becoming more and more obvious that the power elite are deliberately trying to incite a civil war.

[Vernon Depner]

Appealing findings of fact

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/clearly_erroneous

[Gaear Grimsrud]

In this case the finder of fact was the state district court but her decision relies on her interpretation of the US constitution. SCOTUS will have no problem overturning a state court ruling. The Colorado supreme court accepted her findings of fact that Trump was an insurrectionist but expanded on her interpretation of the constitution to include presidents. This is clown world shit and they have to know that the Supreme Court will overrule them. The four judges that issued this ruling should be impeached by the CO Senate for their buffoonery.

[mad.casual]

The four judges that issued this ruling should be impeached by the CO Senate for their buffoonery.

Tried under due process and executed for prima facie insurrection [checks notes] conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding, and conspiracy against rights.