Brickbat: Big Neighbor Is Watching

Russian police claim they are being overwhelmed by the number of people snitching on each other, according to the BBC. Following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, the government enacted new laws to punish those who criticize the war, and Russians have been eager to denounce those they feel violate those laws. Sometimes those who report others truly agree with the war effort, but sometimes it's done to settle a personal grudge. "People are always looking for an excuse to denounce someone over the 'special military operation'," said one former police officer. "Whenever something real comes up, there's nobody to investigate. Everyone's gone to check on some grandma who saw a curtain that looked like the Ukrainian flag."

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[Adans smith]

Damn Russians are doing it wrong, you should destroy them on line, the American way,

[TwilaMiller]

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[Rob Misek]

People are being punished in 17 nations for providing evidence of correctly applied logic and science that refute the holocaust story as told.

When the proven truth is criminalized there can be no justice.

BTW Russia is one of those 17 nations.

[TheReEncogitationer]

This must be a source of great confusion and distress for you, since you think Nazis rule the very Ukraine whom Russia invaded, even though Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy is Jewish and Jews in Russia oppose Putin and his invasion of Ukraine.

Oh well, your cognitive dissonance and distress are no concern of mine until you force it on everybody else, in which case…

Fuck Off, Nazi!

[Rob Misek]

The purpose of lies are to confuse the perception of reality, coercing people in the liars interest. Liars interests can either align or conflict.

This is why I discern and share the truth with correctly applied science and logic issue by issue as unambiguously as possible.

And why it’s perfectly clear that lying wastes of skin like you Kol Nidre boy have never refuted anything that I say.

[InsaneTrollLogic]

The purpose of lies are to confuse the perception of reality, coercing people in the liars interest. Liars interests can either align or conflict.

And you are one of the liars.

[Rob Misek]

You’ve never even seen anyone refute anything that I’ve said much less refute anything yourself, neither have you provided any irrefutable evidence to refute any of my conclusions.

So how do you define lying Kol Nidre boy?

[TheReEncogitationer]

It's Sundown now where I am. So if you're going to lie to yourself and think I am Jewish, then you might as well call me Chanukkah Boy as well as Kol Nidre Boy.

But then again, if you're going to lie to yourself and if you consider lying a crime, then you should turn yourself into yourself and punish yourself in whatever way you think lying deserves. Is it a capital offense to you?

Either way, Fuck Off, Nazi!

[MrMxyzptlk]

Actual NAZIs do have a significant political role in the Ukraine. Just because The Big Z may have Jewish parents doesn't mean he can't sympathize or even agree with the Ukranian NAZI party. Plenty of Jews sold their neighbors out to the German version in the 30s and 40s.

Calling someone who is calling out NAZIs a NAZI seems odd...

[Social Justice is neither]

One prominent jew sold out his fellow jews then and continues to do so to this day.

[Chumby]

There are Steppan Bandera worshippers there. I was asked to join a Ukrainian TG channel by a Ukrainian a acquaintance. I left after seeing the swastika branding. Let’s not go branding.

[DRM]

Go read the last ten years of Rob Misek comments here on Reason, and then tell me that it's odd to call him a Nazi.

[Rob Misek]

Just because fuckwits like you lie doesn’t make it true.

Unless you define a Nazi as anyone discerning and the truth about everything including the long history of crimes against humanity, lying and corruption committed by and for Jews, most recently in Gaza. In that case you’re just stupid.

Otherwise prove your claim that I’m a Nazi. You won’t because you can’t.

Fuckwits like you can’t refute what you deny or even try to prove what you claim so your best argument is ad hominem rhetoric.

[Rob Misek]

Discerning and sharing

[NOYB2]

Nazis rule the very Ukraine whom Russia invaded, even though Ukraine’s President Zelenskyy is Jewish

So? Jewish Germans supported the Nazis and served in the Nazi regime, with the approval of the Nazi regime. Hitler’s chauffeur and SS member, as well as “the ideal German soldier” (Werner Goldberg!) were both Jewish, among many others.

Yes, Jews serve in anti-Jewish regimes, just like whites serve in black nationalist regimes, and atheists actively support anti-atheist movements. Sometimes such people are motivated by greed or self-preservation, sometimes they are self-hating, sometimes they genuinely believe in the cause.

However, the right wing extremists in Ukraine using Nazi symbols are primarily fascists, totalitarians, and nationalists; they seem to be anti-Semitic, but it isn't a big current political concern for them.

[TheReEncogitationer]

No outlets with USB chargers in 1st Century mud huts, so they have to repress dissent the old-fashioned way.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I guess you can take the country out of communism...

[TheReEncogitationer]

Yep, and if you speak against this Communism and the former KGB man behind it, somehow you're an enemy of Liberty according to Nazi Nardz.

[MrMxyzptlk]

It goes back further. The Czars were some of the last real power weilding royalty in the northern hemisphere and their excesses and treatment of the peasants was so bad Stalin and his commies seems like an improvement. Today being led by kleptocrats is better than Stalin and communism. For us it would suck. For them it's an improvement.

[Chumby]

The BBC reporting on what may be happening in Russia seems as reliable as listening to a Biden (D) presser that wouldn’t include mumbling, bumbling, or stumbling.

*checks Magic 8 Ball* Signs point to probably not.

[TheReEncogitationer]

A ball of water with a multi-sided, enscribed, glow-in-the-dark die inside is no basis for finding objective truth, M'Chumby.

*Tips fedora and continues sitting and wondering: "Where are my pants?"*

[mad.casual]

Yeah. This feels a lot like CNN finding three tweets of people reduced to tears by the new Starbucks cup.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Yeah, well Realz beat Feelz, right?

[SQRLSY One]

Under the rapidly approaching TrumptatorShit, we'll be ratting on each other EXACTLY like this, concerning the "special military operations" against ALL the nations that send their hordes of invading illegal subhumans into the USA! Because poor people who want to WORK in the USA are EXACTLY like heavily armed, hostile soldiers!

[ace_m82]

Wow, you sound like a total moron!
-Not a Trump fan

[SQRLSY One]

What, so the NOT-a-moron, FAR more benevolent thing to do a la Trump, is to put the illegal subhuman babies in wire cages, separate them from their MomDads, and then lose track of who belongs to whom? Am I "getting it" now?

[ace_m82]

1. False choice fallacy.
2. If the State is going to run something, shouldn't it be done as closely to how a rational (actual) owner of that something should do it?
-An An-Cap

[SQRLSY One]

And how exactly DOES a rational (actual) owner of that something distill, from tribalism, WHICH tribe is Sacred, and WHICH tribe is inferior and sub-human, with respect to invisible lines in the sands... Which (lines) have been defined by The Sacred Tribes, to begin with?!?!

I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!

The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!

“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .

In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!

Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.

[ace_m82]

How many immigrants do you let into your home? On your land?
That's the answer to your (fallacy ridden) questions.

[Mickey Rat]

School officials ask 11 year old girl to share bed with M to F transgender student, without informing the girl or her parents the bedmate was transgender.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/brave-11-year-old-girl-refuses-to-share-bed-with-boy-on-overnight-school-trip-her-parents-now-demand-answers-from-district?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=FB&utm_id=Blaze+News&utm_content=buffer1c8a2&fbclid=IwAR1HvJoZ2632TmHNoqfthoLHpeAX_nbEFgiKxeMqeWPaYwvsTYtb4GzyNss

"During the trip, the Waileses' daughter, identified only as D.W., was arranged to share a hotel room with two female students from her school and a student from another school, identified as K.E.M. As each hotel room had two beds and four students, students had to share bed with a fellow student, and D.W. was assigned to share a bed with K.E.M.

To make K.E.M. feel more at ease in a room with strangers, D.W. struck up a conversation. At that point, K.E.M. voluntarily revealed to D.W. that he is a biological boy who identifies as transgender. D.W. became uncomfortable with the prospect of sharing a bed with a boy. She immediately went to the hotel room bathroom, which reportedly did not lock, and called her mother, who had accompanied the students on the trip but was not an official chaperone."

"JCPS policy, referred to as JB-R, states that in "most cases," students on overnight trips will be placed in rooms that accord with their so-called gender identity, not their sex. The policy further states that the "needs of students who are transgender shall be assessed on a case-by-case basis with the goals of maximizing the student’s social integration, providing equal opportunity to participate in overnight activity and athletic trips, ensuring the student’s safety and comfort, and minimizing stigmatization of the student."

However, ADF argued, this policy puts the "safety and comfort" of trans-identifying students ahead of the "safety and comfort" of everyone else, including young girls like D.W.:

'Because of JCPS’s policy, eleven-year-old D.W. was placed in a position where her privacy and comfort were not respected or even considered. Her privacy was violated. And then, to try to protect her privacy, D.W. had to risk social ostracization because school officials required her to raise her privacy concerns during the trip and in front of other students and teachers, including the transgender student. Because JCPS’s policy prioritizes the “safety and comfort” of only transgender students to the exclusion of all other students, there was no way for D.W.’s parents to request an accommodation prior to the trip so they could protect D.W.’s privacy and “minimiz[e] stigmatization” of D.W. Therefore, an eleven-year-old child was placed in a position where she feared social backlash if she requested a different room in front of other students.'"

[TheReEncogitationer]

Reason # Gogol + 1 to abolish compulsory attendance laws and Separate Education and State.

[Mickey Rat]

Which is not happening. At least not without a lot of long, hard work persuading the general public that government schools are a bad idea.

So we are going to have to deal with these kinds of asinine policies in the meantime.

[Idaho-Bob]

Not nearly enough dads beating the living shit out of school admins for this bullshit. This puts only girls in bad situations, even possibly dangerous situations.

If a teenage F-M trans (biological female) goes on a school trip and is placed in a hotel room with a biological male, what's her comfort level like?

[Vernon Depner]

The school admins are mostly women. It would be more appropriate for moms to beat the living shit out of them.

[TheReEncogitationer]

Well, the world has now seen what Gummint Skoolz are like with remote learning. So the end of compulsory attendance may be sooner than we all think. I wouldn't give up on the possibility just yet.

[mad.casual]

I don't disagree in the slightest with any of the "Because JCPS’s policy prioritizes the “safety and comfort” of only transgender students to the exclusion of all other students, there was no way for D.W.’s parents to request an accommodation prior to the trip so they could protect D.W.’s privacy and “minimiz[e] stigmatization” of D.W.", but it feels very much like a bunch of disingenuous, passive-aggressive horse trading.

K.E.M. is between truly pathological and pathologically lying. The school rather than fixing the pathology or punting to someone who can, is between accommodating the pathology and propagating, if not multiplying, it. If K.E.M. claimed a firm belief the Earth was flat or the tooth fairy was a real person, the school would be in charge of fixing it. If K.E.M. claimed a firm belief that the Earth were flat or that the tooth fairy was a real person and that even passive attempts to rationalize it to him would lead to his suicide, he should be under the care of a psychologist. The whole idea that D.W. or her parents should have to ask and make accommodations so that their daughter who knows the Earth isn't flat and that the tooth fairy isn't a real person doesn't reveal said information is just plainly retarded.

KEM is delusional. The school lied about separating kids according to biological status or even gender as they separated KEM according to his delusion, a delusion that KEM 'revealed' of their own volition. The whole "What about D.W.'s preferences?" issue is horsetrading with people you know to have lied to you in support, not of some sort of hyperpuritanical interpretation of biological fact, but simply to accommodate the delusions of someone they should (now) know to be (have been) lying to them.

[sarcasmic]

From what I've read about East Germany, the Stasi had no problems finding recruits and snitches. The reason for that was that it gave power to otherwise powerless people who could then use that power to hurt people they didn't like.

I really don't think we're too far away from that in this country. Partisan hatred has gotten to the point where not only are neighbors willing to snitch on each other, but people would gladly see members of their own family locked up or worse over politics.

The more partisan hatred builds, the close we get to a society where certain subjects are simply not mentioned over fears of having doors broken down and guns in faces.

[sarcasmic]

It starts like this.

Donald Trump REFUSES to rule out being 'a DICTATOR': Tells Sean Hannity he may get revenge on his enemies on 'Day One' - after dodging question about abusing the law to 'go after people'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12830501/Donald-Trump-REFUSES-rule-DICTATOR-Tells-Sean-Hannity-revenge-enemies-Day-One-dodging-question-abusing-law-people.html

[Brandybuck]

I bet that gave Hannity a raging hardon.

[sarcasmic]

Gross, but likely. I got attacked by the usual suspects for bringing it up in the mourning lynx. They no doubt want to see their political enemies hanged, but they’ll never admit it. That would be honest, and there's definitely a no-honesty policy for the most prolific posters.

[Michael Ejercito]

Have you heard of the concept of payback?

[sarcasmic]

Yeah, it's what tyrants in third world shitholes do to the previous administration.

[Michael Ejercito]

Did not a bunch of governors and public health officials act like dictators?

[sarcasmic]

Yeah, and that's supposed to be an example of what NOT to do, not a blueprint for the next administration.

[Medulla Oblongata]

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

[A Cynical Asshole]

Perhaps they're feeling nostalgic for the "good ol' days?"

Russian police claim they are being overwhelmed by the number of people snitching on each other, according to the BBC.

[Chumby]

Where fascists sits, Putin on the blitz.

Zely’s days in power are numbered.

[Brandybuck]

Russians spying on each other since the days of the czar.

[Vernon Depner]

The original cancel culture.

[Chumby]

Russian to the oldies

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8tIojhnXc0&t=249s&pp=ygUNc292aWV0IGFudGhlbQ%3D%3D

[TheReEncogitationer]

Music to Die in the Gulag By.

[Michael Ejercito]

I wonder why snitching is more common in Russia than the South Side of Chicago, Illinois.

[AT]

Is this where DHS got their, "See something, say something" idea?