Even Hateful Protests Are Protected, Free Speech Group Reminds Congress
Respecting free speech defends individual rights and lets people show us who they are.

If you know the history of Israel, that the country was created after one-third of the world's Jewish population was murdered by Nazis (it has yet to fully recover), it's difficult to stomach protesters who often slip from supporting the Palestinian cause to gloating over Hamas's terrorism and the prospect of destroying the Jewish state. There's not a lot of good will in projecting "Glory to Our Martyrs" on buildings or chanting "from the river to the sea"—let alone explicit endorsements of the attack.
But even assholes have speech rights. That's because all individuals have rights, however they use them, and because free expression only works if it's available to everybody, not reserved as privilege for the "right" ideas. And, importantly, respecting free speech lets people show us who they are.
Unfortunately, political officials' natural distaste for dissent can combine with honest revulsion at despicable sentiments to produce a reaction that would violate the right to free expression.
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Fighting Hate with Authoritarianism
"Today, Congressman Mike Lawler (NY-17) announced that the House passed two amendments he put forward to the House's appropriations bill for Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education (LHHS) to combat antisemitism on college campuses," the New York Republican announced November 15. "His second LHHS amendment, rescinding federal funding for college campuses that give a platform to antisemitism hate, was adopted with broad, bipartisan support."
One reaction to this is that the federal government shouldn't be funding colleges to begin with. I agree. But so long as it is handing out cash, those funds shouldn't be used to bypass legal protections for individual rights. And no, just deciding to reject federal money might not be enough; Hillsdale College did that to escape federal regulation and now faces efforts to subject the school to control just because it has tax-exempt status enjoyed by many institutions.
The only way to keep authoritarians from getting a foot in the door is to defend liberty as a principle.
Unconstitutionally Targeting a Viewpoint
The amendment, now appended to the appropriations bill, "is too vague and overbroad to constitutionally serve as a basis for whether campus administrators must forbid expression," objects the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) in a letter to Congress.
"If Congress enacts this provision into law, colleges and universities will be highly motivated to stamp out speech on one side of a hotly debated issue," FIRE Legislative and Policy Director Joseph Cohn and Legislative Counsel Greg Y. Gonzalez add. "The policies that institutions will adopt to avoid losing federal dollars will be viewpoint-based prior restraints — and they will likely be draconian. These policies will chill constitutionally protected speech as students and professors will rationally choose to alter what they say (but, importantly, not necessarily what they think) to avoid harsh penalties."
Among the problems of legislation that would (already problematically) suppress disfavored speech is that the definition of "antisemitism" the amendment uses is that of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an organization based in Germany where speech standards are different than in the United States. As working examples of antisemitism, the definition includes "applying double standards by requiring of [Israel] a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation," and "drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."
"Applying double standards may be worthy of criticism, but the First Amendment protects speakers from liability for hypocrisy. And to be perfectly clear, the First Amendment allows comparing every country in the world's policies to those of Nazis," point out Cohn and Gonzalez.
The terms "Nazi" and "literally Hitler" have been so overused as part of political discourse in recent years that Americans might appreciate a break. But that break can't be applied by declaring one target off-limits. It's one thing to regard the use of such language with contempt, but the government can't impose legal sanctions on people who throw around such terms.
Suppressing Speech Doesn't Erase Ideas
Cohn and Gonzalez also make a strong point when they write that government action "will chill constitutionally protected speech … (but, importantly, not necessarily what they think)." A protest full of people chanting hateful slogans isn't just an expression of free speech rights, it's a live-action advisory to people disgusted by such ideas of who they might want to avoid.
When some students at my son's college walked out of class and staged a pro-Palestinian protest that crossed over into support for Hamas, my son dropped by to look over the crowd for familiar faces. He didn't have to wonder who among the people he knew should be added to his personal shit list for future reference (thankfully few, it turned out).
He was also happy to see Jewish organizations free to exercise their own free-speech rights in the form of a vigil for the hostages held by terrorists.
When free-speech rights are respected and protected, they're available for everybody to use out in the open. If one side is suppressed, its supporters may not be able to publicly air their views, but they still hold them and share them in private—and may feel that much more justified because of state action.
Open, loud, and peaceful speech—no matter how objectionable—is far preferable to the alternative. The killing of Paul Kessler in California and the shootings of Kinnan Abdalhamid, Tahseen Ali Ahmad, and Hisham Awartani in Vermont remind us that there are far worse forms of expressing strongly held sentiments than harsh words.
Target Actions, Protect Speech
"Rather than try to define 'antisemitism,' Congress should help institutions consistently recognize and apply the distinctions between protected expression, categorically unprotected speech, and non-expressive conduct that lies beyond the First Amendment's protection," FIRE's Cohn and Gonzalez remind Congress. They recommend that lawmakers focus their efforts on ethnic and religious discrimination at educational institutions, and on actual cases of harassment.
That may not be satisfactory to people outraged by sometimes hateful protesters and the sentiments they express. But this moment will pass, and other disagreements will emerge. If we protect speech rights now, free expression will remain available and unconstrained for use in those disputes.
And if hateful sentiments once again emerge in those debates to come, the people expressing such ideas will be on public display, like those among us now, to tell us who they are so we don't have to wonder.
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THis is the bind you get in when a 'hateful public speech" makes the speech part the only thing that matters,and the hate and public part just don't legally exist. Reminds me of France's poor handling of banning of abaya and face veils.
Three considerations.
1) There will always be injustice when high-living gated-community experts tell people in Skokie, Illinois "Don't worry about those marching Nazis. THey don't bother me so they shouldn't bother you"
2) Where does praying silently outside an abortion clinic fit into this stupid free speech thing. Our hate-filled President did NOTHING when this happens. ANd England , the birthplace of human rights does, what ???? "On March 6, Vaughan-Spruce was arrested for praying in a “buffer zone” outside an abortion clinic on Station Road, Birmingham. Local authorities had declared a Public Space Protection Order near the clinic, using a legal mechanism intended to prevent antisocial behavior. "
3) This law ENCOURAGES the very behavior it says it opposes.
LET LOCAL FOLKS ENFORCE THE COMMUNITY LAW ---and don't give me the HIllary answer because there is no perfect solution. Any solution has difficulties.
The Biden DoJ has charged over 20 people quietly praying near abortion centers with the FACE Act, even using early morning police raids.
Those raids were during the first trimester of the day?
Jews are committing crimes against humanity and genocide against the Palestinian population of Gaza as defined by the UN.
Crimes Against Humanity
For the purpose of this Statute, ‘crime against humanity’ means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
Murder;
Extermination;
Enslavement;
Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
Torture;
Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;
Enforced disappearance of persons;
The crime of apartheid;
Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.
Genocide
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The Genocide Convention establishes in Article I that the crime of genocide may take place in the context of an armed conflict, international or non-international, but also in the context of a peaceful situation.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
If you think that a state government can be guilty of terrorism then you must also recognize that Jews in Israel are terrorists.
In the United States of America, terrorism is defined in Title 22 Chapter 38, of the U.S. Code as “premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents”.[10]
Or do you agree with the US governments self serving definition that no state government can ever be guilty of terrorism? Immunity for the government.
By praying peacefully, you mean breaking in and blocking the entrance for others with the intent of getting arrested and by near abortion centers you mean trespassing inside private abortion facilities, right?
You can justify these protestors actions by pointing out they are saving babies lives rather than minimize or outright lie about the crime they committed.
No. You reference one case. Out of how many?
You apparently are following the narrative by referencing a single isolated case here.
FACE act also applies to pregnancy centers. How much of the vandalism to these centers have been prosecuted under FACE?
I can't find any articles about protestors arrested for quietly praying near abortion centers only several for breaking in and/or blocking entrances.
If you can provide links showing me that 20+ protestors were arrested for quietly praying, I will happily admit my error and be grateful for the education.
>>I can’t find any articles
matter. settled.
That's odd, because I left the matter unsettled in the 2nd sentence of my comment. So please, educate me.
You can’t educate a moron.
Well you heard that enough for it to sink in, so there's hope.
That’s the level of bitch-think I was expecting from you.
So you can't find a source for that claim either?
I'm willing to have my mind changed if Jesse or anyone else can provide evidence, but I couldn't find any articles about people arrested in the US JUST for quietly praying outside an abortion clinic. It wouldn't surprise me if there were, based on the weaponization of the justice department recently. But without evidence, I'll have to say I'm not convinced it happened.
In the UK, however, I found a number of articles about one person who was apparently arrested twice for doing just that. The UK police has dropped charges and apologized for the unjust arrests.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12557713/Our-silent-thoughts-nobodys-business-Catholic-woman-twice-arrested-silently-praying-near-abortion-clinic-says-fears-police-ideologically-driven-vows-carry-doing-weekly-basis.html
20 is a pretty small number. Probably too small to call anything typical.
Do you know of specific cases where people were simply praying quietly and not trespassing or obstructing access?
I agree if people are being arrested simply for being near an abortion place expressing opposition to abortion that's bad. But it also seems likely that at least some of these people were committing deliberate acts of civil disobedience. Which I have no real problem with, but if you are going to do that, you can't really complain when you get arrested.
Do you know of specific cases where people were simply praying quietly and not trespassing or obstructing access?
*Turns pages of Calendar back to January 6, 2020. *
I’ll get back to you on that.
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The speech isn’t the problem. The issue is the massive amounts of Us govt money funneled to certain groups.
Obama era of directed judgements to friendly liberal activist groups, sue and settle, then just dem governments funding these groups that never solve the problem but provide free dem propaganda and votes.
LOL. Feminists against genocide.
I'm no feminist, but I'm pretty sure there's are a few ways they could combat if not outright stop genocide that no man could, and carrying around banners and yelling into bullhorns ain't it.
More like people with no principles and nothing to do trying to look like better humans than they actually are.
LOL. So advocating genocide sits alongside assaulting public buildings, rioting and looting as free speech if you’re a Democtat but protesting a rigged election unarmed and orderly or objecting to gender ideology in schools still falls outside it for Republicans. Good to see you’re not still a hypocritical leftist POS.
Yeah, TooSilly cites Hillsdale College (and FIRE) like the forums haven't been shouting about this since Reason was saying MUH PRIVUT INSTITOOSHUNZ! and the LP was saying "We should side with the protesters." while Oberlin Staff were slandering Gibson's Bakery.
Free speech goes to anti-Semitic harassment:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/pro-palestinian-protesters-mob-jewish-owned-philadelphia-falafel-restaurant-we-charge-you-with-genocide/
"Pro-Palestinian protesters marching through Philadelphia Sunday congregated outside Goldie, a falafel restaurant owned by American–Israeli chef Michael Solomonov, vandalizing its front door and windows and chanting “Goldie, Goldie, you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.”"
"The chanting at the restaurant was part of a broader rally in which demonstrators blocked traffic in downtown Philadelphia and marched through the neighborhood in which the University of Pennsylvania is located. Video taken near Penn’s campus shows a crowd of protesters chanting “long live the intifada” and “there is only one solution, intifada revolution.”"
"Protesters also reportedly ignited smoke bombs in the colors of the Palestinian flag and vandalized university property, spray-painting “Free Palestine” on a map of the campus in one instance of defacement."
Sometimes reality comes at you quick, sometimes it comes at you at a normal pace and you're just slow, and, sometimes, you're just really, really retarded.
Looks like we need rooftop Israelis.
LOL. TooSilly couldn't have foreseen that the pro-Palestinian protest would've grown beyond its borders and turned destructive/violent!
N, he'll see all the violence and destruction as "speech" if his programming allows him to see it at all. Just look at the lo being coverage of BLM and the summer of love as they were torching buildings assaulting people, annexing US territory and flat out murdering people.
Toosilly is literally an NPC.
The only Israeli that I know, can center an 8 inch target from 1200 yards with her rifle. I'm not sure how many you would need.
The cops would defend the poor defenseless rioters she was shooting.
Well JD the elephant in the room is still the murder and imprisonment of non violent protesters on J6. Until you are willing to confront that you can fuck right off.
Ashli Babbitt
“Fulton District Attorney Fani Willis: “I think this indictment is particularly important. It sends a message that we are a community that supports protesting. We certainly know it’s one of your constitutional rights but what we do not tolerate is violent protest. It is unacceptable to burn down a building in our community even in the name of a protest.” = $500 fine for burning down a Wendy’s Restaurant that "would cost you $1,619,000 to build."
“17-year prison sentence for knocking down a fence on Jan 6.”
“What we have here is a failure to communicate …” – The Captain
https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/18aa1rh/500_fine_for_burning_down_a_wendys_for_blm_and_17/?rdt=63885
Cool story bro.
Now do anti-abortion, pro-family, All Lives Matter, or those weird guys in the red hats that were on Hee Haw.
You mean the 200 undercover FBI agents at the capitol?
No, not them. The ones who listened to them. Like, the ones who were all:
Not-FBI *wink*: Boy I sure am upset about the election being stolen from Ronald.
Red Hat weirdos: I think you meant Donald, his name be praised, but yea me too!
Not-FBI *wink*: Totally not fair. 81m votes my butt, am I right?
Red Hat weirdos: You really are! And, speaking of butts, may I say those pleated khakis look great on you!
Not-FBI *wink*: Say how does a self-guided tour of Congress sound?
Red Hat weirdos: Sir, that sounds positively patriotic.
Not-FBI *wink*: Congress doesn't use doors, so kick in that window and climb through, I'll be right behind you.
Red Hat weirdos: OK! I'll do that! See you inside!
Not-FBI *wink*: Remember, they don't have bathrooms - so just take a dump wherever you want.
I mean, come on. I'm so sick of that "undercover provocateurs" rationalization. I mean, why are we defending someone so stupid that a poorly disguised Feeb was easily able to talk them into rioting and mayhem?
It's just as disingenuous as the late Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez retelling of her brutal murder during the lolsurrection while she was across the street and underground.
Partisan narratives by idiots meant to lionize themselves while demonizing others.
You should look into the history of the FBI program COINTEL PRO. They used to target leftist organizations but now focus on right wing organizations.
The BoR is a zero sum game.
'That's because all individuals have rights, however they use them, and because free expression only works if it's available to everybody, not reserved as privilege for the "right" ideas.'
What kind of Nazi are you?
Some individuals are more equal than others.
Apparently the 'peacefully assemble' part is just outright ignored by just about everyone.
Also, the First Amendment doesn’t guarantee your right to assemble on someone else’s private property without their permission at 2 AM. You have the right to peaceably assemble as long as you do so legally in every other way.
>>The only way to keep authoritarians from getting a foot in the door is to defend liberty as a principle.
did you interview the guy in Thousand Oaks who defended liberty as a principle?
the Feminists Against Genocide are the chicks praying outside abortion clinics, yo?
Mainline libertarianism is going to have to figure out how much wealth transfer for the purposes of funding other people's speech we're willing to agree to disagree on.
So it's okay for an angry mob of anti-Semites to surround a Jewish deli, chanting slogans and preventing normal business to take place?
We don't have to fund any organizations that condone hate speech. You don't have a right to a forum.
If Mcdolands effectively allowed racist protesters to hound my family and other Asians, it is entirely correct and proper for me to demand that congress punish the corporation by rescinding any deals or economic incentive they're not entitled to. The notion that it amounts of "viewpoint discrimination" is absurd.
We can charge these institutions to maintain a fair speech code that doesn't discourage academic discourse. "Israel is a warmonger" and "All libertarians are bastards" are militant rhetoric but not enough to merit discipline. "From River to the Sea" or "wipe out Nick Gillespie and his son off the earth" have no place in a institution for learning, where students pay money live and earn a degree. You think an apartment would allow protesters to hound their tenants every week?
We can have a debate on speech code standard. That's better than Reason's all or nothing approach, which amounts to "well since it's hard to define antisemitism, we should just keep on funding schools that enables antisemitism." Um, what?
Tell me please - why should we keep funding schools that let bigots terrorize young people and call for war against their people? We're not talking about sending the admin to prison or forcing them to be fired. We shouldn't be funding these people if they don't protect paying customers.
Free speech means free speech.
To establish speech codes on campus based on content is to give the state government license to dictate what is 'acceptable' speech and what isn't. And no one here should seriously be advocating for that.
Yes we do have to fund speech that we don't like in public spaces. We all have to tolerate being uncomfortable to an extent so that we may all enjoy broadly an environment of greater liberty, the liberty to say what WE want to say uninhibited that may make others uncomfortable.
That being said, speech is different than conduct or actions. Actions that 'terrorize' in some legitimate way should not be tolerated. But speech is not violence, not when left-wingers say it and not when right-wingers say it.
To establish speech codes on campus based on content
Every university has speech codes on campus. The complicating factor is government support for those codes. So either we tear down the entire regime of campus speech codes (I raise my hand, let's see who blinks first) or we remove the complicating factors of wealth transfers to maintain speech codes that feel or seem reasonable to a measured establishment set of principles, or we don't.
Well, this seems like a good place to start.
https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/state-law-speech-codes
I am in favor as well of tearing down speech codes.
Jews need to fight back. All of this has happened before and it’s not going to just disappear. The brain trusts who love western civilization, enlightenment values and free markets have migrated to western civilization- mostly to get free shit.
Fight back Jews. Get out of the leftist cities and rethink your tolerance for intolerance and redistribution of income. Dry up the gravy train, let the bankrupt cities Detroit.
I'll just leave this here.
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/healy-v-james-1972/
Those students were trespassing, so according to leftist logic they should have been shot dead anyway.
Try again faggot.
Try reading the link, you might learn something.
I would rather Congress targeted schools and universities that allow one form of speech that target students based on their identity and to 'protect' the targeted students by limiting the activities of said students. I am seeing way to much of that thinking to much lately since 10/07, restricting the activities of Jewish students 'for their safety'. They've done shit like that in the past with conservatives etc also. If you're worried about the students' safety because of the actions of others, maybe you need to monitor the activities of those you feel threaten their safety.
They recommend that lawmakers focus their efforts on ethnic and religious discrimination at educational institutions, and on actual cases of harassment.
Kayyyyy.
How many Jewish people did the Palestinians kill in World War II? Why does what the Nazis did in Europe have anything to do with 2 million poor people on the southeast Mediterranean coast?
Why didn’t the rich bankers and western countries give the Jewish people land in Arizona or New Mexico or Northern California or any of the other vast regions of the US that were empty in the 1940’s?
They wanted their own Jewish country.
Maybe they shouldn’t have gotten one (assuming this for the purposes of discussion only), but they have one now, with all the law-of-nations protections of any other sovereign state, including defending themselves against aggression.
If folks want a permanent humanitarian cease-fire, why not in Ukraine?
Given that there were Muslim majority Waffen SS units, and the Mufti of Jerusalem was asked to help in their recruitment, that number is likely greater than zero.
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Hey, look everyone, Reason has remembered there's such a thing as free speech.
And they want to help stop some people from using theirs so that other people can call for the wholesale slaughter of Jews without being worried that there might be some negative consequence for doing so.
Wow guys, when you remove that mask, you do it down to your totalitarian, authoritarian bones.
Jews have slaughtered 16000 Palestinians including 12000 women and children. ACTUALLY not merely rhetorically.
They have specifically targeted vulnerable noncombatants in refugee camps, hospitals, schools and homes.
They kill civilians women and children and have the hypocrisy to call them human shields.
Jews are implementing their premeditated plan to kill and forcibly displace the entire Palestinian population in Gaza.
This is proof that Jews are committing crimes against humanity, genocide and terrorism.
The term antisemitism will forever be rightly associated with this people’s atrocities.
The time is long past due to stop these terrible Jews.
Thanks to FIRE for stepping up to be the leading free speech organization. The ACLU sure ain't that any more.
"Even Hateful Protests By Leftist Organizations Are Protected, Free Speech Group Reminds Congress"
There. Fixed it.